Cece, The lineages presented here I transcribed them almost* ipsis verbis *from PA - I found interesting that he includes Francisco Afonso here, But I do not presume to know why. Anyway for the sake of the argument he is incidental. The main point here was to establish a definitive link between Pedro Afonso and his niece Ana Ferreira. And between João Homem and Pedro Afonso's 'wife. To understand this links you can also check Felisberto on the origin of the Homens d'El- REi. I may have forgotten to add ( because to me it was obvious) that what PA says in here is crucial for the understanding of the origin of the Homens d'El-Rei. Apparently their name Homem may be linked to the Homens de Sousa, and that may explain a lot of the subsequent fortunes of the Homens d'El-Rei, who came to be a family with a certain weight and importance. Just remember all the pages Felisberto dedicates to them. Anyway no one before among the leading genealogists from Madeira seems to have noticed what PA wrote, in 2 or 3 points of his work. So what I presented here is a real discovery. And that's the thrilling part of it. Cheers, Miguel 2009/12/30 Cece Camara <[email protected]> > Miguel, > I had to get all the way down to Ana Ferreira before I could tie in to this > post ;-) - so now as I am working my way back up, I have a question. > > You wrote: > > # 1 Afonso Pires and Ines Eanes had: > > 2 Pedro Afonso. > 2 João Afonso > 2 Aldonça Lopes m. João Homem # 3 > 2 Leonor Lopes m. Jorge Ennes de Araújo. > > # 2 Pedro Afonso was called "O Cavaleiro" because he was a Knight of the > Royal House, He made his will in March 6 1551. He institued a "morgadio" > and > left it to his niece Ana Ferreira. > > # 2 > > 2 Francisco Afonso married Isabel Cortês,. She was from Oporto, (from a > "escritura" Oct 13, 1542) they had > 3. Manuel Afonso Cortês trunk of the Cortês from CL. > m.Ouriana Lopes. > > This last one is where there is an issue - who is Francisco Afonso?? - or > did you mean to write Joao Afonso maybe? > Cece > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 10:02:07 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Afonso Pires (the final truth about João Homem?) > > Dear list, > > As a little Xmas gift- Here goes what I have discovered in Pereira de > Agrela > that will give a new light about João Homem and his Pedro Afonso > connection. > > > To P. cousin and friend of mine > > AFONSO PIRES > > Afonso Pires was one of the first and main settlers of Madeira. Possibly > brother of Aires Gonçalves he had land (sesmarias) from Ribeira de S. > Bernardino to the Serra do caminho da Aldeia. > He administered the Chapel of Gonçalo Pires (who wrote his will in 1483). > He > was a dweller in some "casas nobres" (noble houses) in Ribeira dos Frades - > which later belonged to his descendant João de Carvalho ESMERALDO, In these > houses there was a high and fortified Tower.... > He married Inês Eaness. daughter of João Saraiva (in her will - written in > 1537 . she appears as "dona viúva"- She etablished a 3ª- The will was > aritten by João Rodrigues,her cousin. Pero Eanes was her brother and Afonso > Pires nephew of her husband, > > # 1 Afonso Pires and Ines Eanes had: > > 2 Pedro Afonso. > 2 João Afonso > 2 Aldonça Lopes m. João Homem # 3 > 2 Leonor Lopes m. Jorge Ennes de Araújo. > > # 2 Pedro Afonso was called "O Cavaleiro" because he was a Knight of the > Royal House, He made his will in March 6 1551. He institued a "morgadio" > and > left it to his niece Ana Ferreira. > > # 2 > > 2 Francisco Afonso married Isabel Cortês,. She was from Oporto, (from a > "escritura" Oct 13, 1542) they had > 3. Manuel Afonso Cortês trunk of the Cortês from CL. m. > Ouriana Lopes. > > # 3 > > João Homem was a Knight of the Royal House, as it is described in the > "Escritura de dote" made to her daughtehr Beatrriz Homem in 1553, He was, > according to Dr. Drummond, from the Homens de Sousa. (There is documented > evidencer that indeed he was, as tit will be shown later). > > He married Aldonça Lopes (above #1, 2) and had: > > 4. Beatriz Homem, m Martim Annes > 4. Ana Ferreira m. Baltazar Gonlçalves Ferreira, son of Francisco de Novaes > and Joana Ferreira (título Homens) > > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > > As it is documented that Ana Ferreira ( dau. of João Homem and Aldonça > Lopes) was the niece of Pedro Afonso, it is possible that Leonor Homem (the > wife of Pedro Afonso) was a very close relative of João Homem. A sister > perhaps? Most probably. Or daughter. In any case it seems they were > related. > > Now the claim of João Homem belonging to the Homens de Sousa is also > documented. It appears in a document - "a causa original" between Diogo > Ferreira de Novais and the sons of João Ferreirta Botelho (who was his > brother) . > > Diogo Ferreira de Novais and João Ferreira Botelho were the sons of > Bartolomeu Gonçalves Ferreira and Ana Ferreira - the documented NIECE of > Pedro Afonso. > > > > > Cheers, > > Miguel de Castro Henriques > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this > incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.431 / Virus Database: 270.14.119/2586 - Release Date: 12/29/09 > 07:47:00 > >