Hello Miguel, Your are correct. I am a decedent of a "de Agrella" from Madeira. My great-grandfather, Alexandre de Agrella and his wife, Francisca Candida da Silva, came from Madeira and arrived in New York City in September 1851. A few years back, a member of this list confirmed my theory that English speaking Americans could not hear the "A" in Agrella due to a tendency to run the "E" in "de" and the "A" in "Agrella together when the full name was spoken. As a result the name was written as either "DeGrella" or "DeGrilla". Thanks, David DeGrella Tennessee, USA On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:55:13 +0000 Miguel de Castro Henriques <[email protected]> writes: > Hello David, > > Janette ansered you already. Anyway you must be a "de Agrella" from Madeira, > transformed in De Grella. And if so Pereira de Agrela the genealogist is > probably your relative, since there are not that many Agrellas in Madeira. > > Cheers, > > Miguel > > On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 4:10 PM, <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > I'm confused. Who or what is"Pereira d'Agrela"? > > Thanks, > > David DeGrella > > Tennessee, USA > > On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:48:56 -0800 Janette Chun > <[email protected]> > > writes: > > > Thanks Miguel. I find it quite interesting that the Gois & > Mendonca > > > names, although carried by the male line in later generations, > seems > > > to have its genesis in the female line with Beatriz, her mother, > and > > > now, thanks to you, her grandmother. > > > Turns out that I had heard of Pereira d'Agrela after all. I > was > > > going > > > through some old genealogy files yesterday, and lo and behold, > > > thanks > > > to Pat (on this forum) I have about 33 pages of this > genealogical > > > record sent to me circa 2002 : )) Thanks Pat! I will have to > check > > > my old laptop to see what other treasures I might have stowed > away. > > > Janette > > > > > > > > > On 19-Dec-09, at 2:50 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Janette, > > > > You're welcome. I am glad I was of some help. Yesterday it was > a > > > > > field day > > > > too because I also solved another old genealogical puzzle. > Thanks > > > to Pereira d'Agrela. > > > > Anyway, the Mendonça could come precisely from the first > Manuel > > > > Travassos m. > > > > Maria Mendonça. On that era sometimes a name of an ancestor > > > > manifests 2 or > > > > three generations later. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Miguel > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 6:15 AM, Janette Chun > > > <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Hello Miguel, > > > >> > > > >> Wow! Thank you for solving this piece of the puzzle for me. > I'm > > > >> sincerely grateful. > > > >> I'm not on the nobility quest but good to know. I'm still at > a > > > >> little > > > >> confused on how or where the first Mendonca occurs in this > line, but > > > >> hopefully, once I get the documents, more will be revealed. > > > >> Janette > > > > > >> On 18-Dec-09, at 1:32 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > > > > > >>> Hello Janette, > > > >>> In Pereira de Agrela Tomo 1-6 parte, pg 166 > > > >>> 1 Manuel Travassos m. Maria de Mendonça, they had: > > > >>> 2 - Manuel Travassos. o pequeninho. m. (1609) Isabel de > Góis > > > >>> ( dau. of > > > >>> Domingos Martins de Magalhâes and Catarina Nunes), they > had: > > > >>> Baltazar > > > >>> Manuel > > > >>> Maria Nunes m. Baltazar de Mendonça Soares > > > >>> Isabel de Castro m. Duarte Teixeira de Vasconcelos > > > >>> Beatriz de Góis m. Luís de Castro Ferreira. son of Diogo de > > > Castro > > > >>> and Luzia > > > >>> Fernandes > > > >>> The Travassos were from the nobility. > > > >>> I don't know where Clode got his idea , but in this > particular > > case > > > >>> he was > > > >>> not accurate. > > > >>> > > > >>> Cheers, > > > >>> > > > >>> Miguel > > > >>> > > > >>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Janette Chun > > > <[email protected]> > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> Thanks Miguel. Yes I know of these all except Morgado > Pereira > > de Agrela. I haven't really looked at any of the Clode works, > but > > > it was > > > >>>> in fact through his work that I was able to get to this > > > particular > > > >>>> ancestor, thanks to a page from his book, which the > archive > > > sent me > > > >>>> on > > > >>>> the Gois family. > > > >>>> I just recently took out a subscription to geneall but so > far > > > >>>> haven't > > > >>>> discovered any new nuggets of information. Will keep > looking. > > > > > >>>> Janette > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On 3-Dec-09, at 9:07 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> Well,>>> You proibably know already all that are > available, You > > have > > > >>>>> Felsiberto, HHN, > > > >>>>> Clode, and FMPS Clode and Meneses and Morgado Pereira de > Agrela. > > > >>>>> Geneall has > > > >>>>> some info about Madeira genealogies. And the personal > best > > > >>>>> Madeiran > > > >>>>> genealogies are to be found in some of our list > colleagues > > > >>>>> I'll try to find out the Travassos in Pereira de Agrela. > Once I > > > >>>>> looked for > > > >>>>> them and it had valuable and original info about them. > > > >>>>> At one point some a Travassos (from 15th century) whose > alcunha > > > > > >>>>> was > > > >>>>> " O Pequenininho) was the Carcereiro, the man in charge > of Porto > > Santo prison. > > > >>>>> A friend, a nobleman was quite schocked to see him in such > a > > > >>>>> station. Whatyou, from the noble Travassos, in such a > terrible > > job? > > > >>>>> The Pequenininho had some flourished and philosophical. > answer- > > Idon't > > > >>>>> recall the terms. But it was somnething like: " Alas my > good > > friend, > > > >>>>> such is > > > >>>>> life that, though God forbid, one day you may be in the > same > > > >>>>> position as myself." > > > >>>>> To be called Pequenininho- - is because he was very very > small > > in stature, but not in dignity. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Miguel > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >