http://picasaweb.google.pt/cisne888/ This lady posted 9 books online  of Joao Agostinho Pereira d'Agrella Luis Beal "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator ________________________________ From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, December 21, 2009 4:32:21 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Help reading certificates/Pereira d'Agrela You can also try Pereira de Agrela in Google books instead of Pereira d'Agrela. On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 10:30 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > if you go to http://www.google.com/books and type in d'agrela you will > find > some mention of possibly him. > > I found the following passage: > > aquelas informacoas sido tambem asseguradas por Pedro Agostinho Pereira > d'Agrela da Camara e por aquele Joao Diogo de quem hoave o manuscrito. >  Eran > ambos fithos do Morgado Joao Agostinho Pereira d'Agrela da Camara, por ouja > morte, em Favereiro de 1835, ficou herdeiro da copia este ultimo, que era o > successor no morgadio. > > I may not have copied it correctly as it is hard to read and this may or > may > not be your d'Agrela. > > Tom Freitas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scot Austin" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 10:24 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Help reading certificates/Pereira d'Agrela > > > Miguel, > > Take a look at this tree: > > http://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ShowPedigree&pagetitle=Person:Nicolau_Agrela_%281%29 > Nicolau is my wife's 4g-grandfather. Can you tell how they fit in? > > Thanks, Scot > > > Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > > Hello David, > > > > Janette ansered you already. Anyway you must be a "de Agrella" from > > Madeira, > > transformed in De Grella. And if so Pereira de Agrela the genealogist is > > probably your relative, since there are not that many Agrellas in > Madeira. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Miguel > > > > On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 4:10 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> I'm confused.  Who or what is"Pereira d'Agrela"? > >> Thanks, > >> David DeGrella > >> Tennessee, USA > >> On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:48:56 -0800 Janette Chun <[email protected]> > >> writes: > >> > >>> Thanks Miguel.  I find it quite interesting that the Gois & Mendonca > >>> names, although carried by the male line in later generations, seems > >>> to have its genesis in the female line with Beatriz, her mother, and > >>> now, thanks to you, her grandmother. > >>> Turns out that I had heard of Pereira d'Agrela after all.  I was > >>> going > >>> through some old genealogy files yesterday, and lo and behold, > >>> thanks > >>> to Pat (on this forum) I have about 33 pages of this genealogical > >>> record sent to me circa 2002 : ))  Thanks Pat!  I will have to check > >>> my old laptop to see what other treasures I might have stowed away. > >>> Janette > >>> > >>> > >>> On 19-Dec-09, at 2:50 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Hello Janette, > >>>> You're welcome. I am glad I was of some help. Yesterday it was a  > > >>>> field day > >>>> too because I also solved another old genealogical puzzle. Thanks > >>>> > >>> to  Pereira d'Agrela. > >>> > >>>> Anyway, the Mendonça could come precisely from the first Manuel > >>>> Travassos m. > >>>> Maria Mendonça. On that era sometimes a name of an ancestor > >>>> manifests 2 or > >>>> three generations later. > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> Miguel > >>>> > >>>> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 6:15 AM, Janette Chun > >>>> > >>> <[email protected]> > >>> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Hello Miguel, > >>>>> > >>>>> Wow!  Thank you for solving this piece of the puzzle for me.  I'm > >>>>> sincerely grateful. > >>>>> I'm not on the nobility quest but good to know.  I'm still at a > >>>>> little > >>>>> confused on how or where the first Mendonca occurs in this line, but > >>>>> hopefully, once I get the documents, more will be revealed. > >>>>> Janette > >>>>> > >>>>> On 18-Dec-09, at 1:32 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hello Janette, > >>>>>> In Pereira de Agrela Tomo 1-6 parte, pg 166 > >>>>>> 1 Manuel Travassos m. Maria de Mendonça, they had: > >>>>>> 2 - Manuel Travassos. o pequeninho. m. (1609) Isabel de Góis > >>>>>> ( dau. of > >>>>>> Domingos Martins de Magalhâes and Catarina Nunes), they had: > >>>>>> Baltazar > >>>>>> Manuel > >>>>>> Maria Nunes m. Baltazar de Mendonça Soares > >>>>>> Isabel de Castro m. Duarte Teixeira de Vasconcelos > >>>>>> Beatriz de Góis m. Luís de Castro Ferreira. son of Diogo de > >>>>>> > >>> Castro > >>> > >>>>>> and Luzia > >>>>>> Fernandes > >>>>>> The Travassos were from the nobility. > >>>>>> I don't know where Clode got his idea , but in this particular > >>>>>> > >> case > >> > >>>>>> he was > >>>>>> not accurate. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Miguel > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Janette Chun > >>>>>> > >>> <[email protected]> > >>> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks Miguel.  Yes I know of these all except Morgado Pereira > >>>>>>> > >>  de Agrela.  I haven't really looked at any of the Clode works, but > >> > >>> it was > >>> > >>>>>>> in fact through his work that I was able to get to this > >>>>>>> > >>> particular > >>> > >>>>>>> ancestor, thanks to a page from his book, which the archive > >>>>>>> > >>> sent me > >>> > >>>>>>> on > >>>>>>> the Gois family. > >>>>>>> I just recently took out a subscription to geneall but so far > >>>>>>> haven't > >>>>>>> discovered any new nuggets of information. Will keep looking. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Janette > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 3-Dec-09, at 9:07 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Well,>>> You proibably know already all that are available, You > >>>>>>>> > >> have > >> > >>>>>>>> Felsiberto, HHN, > >>>>>>>> Clode, and FMPS Clode and Meneses and Morgado Pereira de  Agrela. > >>>>>>>> Geneall has > >>>>>>>> some info about Madeira genealogies. And the personal best > >>>>>>>> Madeiran > >>>>>>>> genealogies are to be found in some of our list colleagues > >>>>>>>> I'll try to find out the Travassos in Pereira de Agrela. Once  I > >>>>>>>> looked for > >>>>>>>> them and it had valuable and original info about them. > >>>>>>>> At one point some a Travassos (from 15th century) whose  alcunha > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> was > >>>>>>>> " O Pequenininho) was the Carcereiro, the man in  charge of Porto > >>>>>>>> > >>  Santo prison. > >> > >>>>>>>> A friend, a nobleman was quite schocked to see him in such a > >>>>>>>> station. Whatyou, from the noble Travassos, in such a terrible > >>>>>>>> > >> job? > >> > >>>>>>>> The Pequenininho had some flourished and philosophical.  answer- > >>>>>>>> > >> Idon't > >> > >>>>>>>> recall the terms. But it was somnething like: " Alas my good > >>>>>>>> > >> friend, > >> > >>>>>>>> such is > >>>>>>>> life that, though God forbid,  one day you may be in the same > >>>>>>>> position as myself." > >>>>>>>> To be called Pequenininho- - is because he was very very  small > >>>>>>>> > >> in stature, but not in dignity. > >> > >>>>>>>> Miguel > >>>>>>>> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message