Thank goodness some of these survived. And thankfully, there are still people interested in preserving history. I keep hoping (call me an optimist) that there will be an archeological discovery that will answer so many of our questions : ) Janette On 20-Dec-09, at 5:54 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > Pereira d'Agrella work is a manuscript. It has several tomes, and > perhaps > 700 pages or more. I have not counted them. It is an interesting work > because it takes a broad view of some families that usually are not > referred > in the other nobiliaries. It is a nobiliary. Pereira de Agrela had > the > chance to see several documents that since him were lost, ruined or > eaten by > mice, moth, worms, and human carelessness (the worst and more > damaging). > Old documents could stay in damp places for ages. Some miraculously > survived > but many disappeared. And the worst thing is that many disappeared > or were > ruined due to lack of care during the 19 th century . Older people > respected > a bit more the written documents. But with the emergence of print, > old stuff > was groovy, old was outdated, considered rubish, except by some few > like > Pereira d'Agrela. > His g-gdaughter, an extremely generous person, told me several > things about > his ancestor. Curiously since him all the Agrellas have devoted > themselves > to genealogy until our days, where their representative - my > cousin- is > still investigating. > > > Miguel > > On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Janette Chun <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> He was a genealogist in Madeira during the 1700s. >> >> The title page on the extract I have is: Genealogias da ilha da >> Madeira por Joao Agostinho Pereira d'Agrella. (Este autor nasceu em >> mais de 1777 no Funchal, onde morreu em fevereiro de 1835). It's all >> in script, so I hope I've read that correctly. Loosely translated it >> says Genealogies of the Island of Madeira by Joao Agostinho Pereira >> d'Agrela. (This author was born before 1777 in Funchal where he died >> in February 1835). >> >> I have no idea how extensive his volume of work is - as mentioned I >> only have 33 pages (that I know of : ) - but Miguel makes reference >> to >> pg 166, so my guess - extensive. I also don't know if this is >> available anywhere online. I will look to see if I have any more >> files that might complete this volume. I'm happy to share what I >> have >> on this particular genealogist if anyone is interested, please email >> me at [email protected] At this stage, it looks like the Aguares >> de Machico, Garros, Ferreiras de Arco, Pereiras das Florencas, >> Agrellas, Baioes, Borges. I've printed the pages off to try and make >> sense of them as most don't have any page numbers and it doesn't >> appear to be in alphabetical order. >> >> >> >> Janette >> >> >> On 19-Dec-09, at 8:10 AM, [email protected] wrote: >> >>> I'm confused. Who or what is"Pereira d'Agrela"? >>> Thanks, >>> David DeGrella >>> Tennessee, USA >>> On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:48:56 -0800 Janette Chun >>> <[email protected]> >>> writes: >>>> Thanks Miguel. I find it quite interesting that the Gois & >>>> Mendonca >>>> names, although carried by the male line in later generations, >>>> seems >>>> to have its genesis in the female line with Beatriz, her mother, >>>> and >>>> now, thanks to you, her grandmother. >>>> Turns out that I had heard of Pereira d'Agrela after all. I was >>>> going >>>> through some old genealogy files yesterday, and lo and behold, >>>> thanks >>>> to Pat (on this forum) I have about 33 pages of this genealogical >>>> record sent to me circa 2002 : )) Thanks Pat! I will have to >>>> check >>>> my old laptop to see what other treasures I might have stowed away. >>>> Janette >>>> >>>> >>>> On 19-Dec-09, at 2:50 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello Janette, >>>>> You're welcome. I am glad I was of some help. Yesterday it was >>>>> a > >>>>> field day >>>>> too because I also solved another old genealogical puzzle. Thanks >>>> to Pereira d'Agrela. >>>>> Anyway, the Mendonça could come precisely from the first Manuel >>>>> Travassos m. >>>>> Maria Mendonça. On that era sometimes a name of an ancestor >>>>> manifests 2 or >>>>> three generations later. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Miguel >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 6:15 AM, Janette Chun >>>> <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Miguel, >>>>>> >>>>>> Wow! Thank you for solving this piece of the puzzle for me. >>>>>> I'm >>>>>> sincerely grateful. >>>>>> I'm not on the nobility quest but good to know. I'm still at a >>>>>> little >>>>>> confused on how or where the first Mendonca occurs in this line, >>>>>> but >>>>>> hopefully, once I get the documents, more will be revealed. >>>>>> Janette >>> >>>>>> On 18-Dec-09, at 1:32 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: >>> >>>>>>> Hello Janette, >>>>>>> In Pereira de Agrela Tomo 1-6 parte, pg 166 >>>>>>> 1 Manuel Travassos m. Maria de Mendonça, they had: >>>>>>> 2 - Manuel Travassos. o pequeninho. m. (1609) Isabel de Góis >>>>>>> ( dau. of >>>>>>> Domingos Martins de Magalhâes and Catarina Nunes), they had: >>>>>>> Baltazar >>>>>>> Manuel >>>>>>> Maria Nunes m. Baltazar de Mendonça Soares >>>>>>> Isabel de Castro m. Duarte Teixeira de Vasconcelos >>>>>>> Beatriz de Góis m. Luís de Castro Ferreira. son of Diogo de >>>> Castro >>>>>>> and Luzia >>>>>>> Fernandes >>>>>>> The Travassos were from the nobility. >>>>>>> I don't know where Clode got his idea , but in this particular >>> case >>>>>>> he was >>>>>>> not accurate. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Miguel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Janette Chun >>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks Miguel. Yes I know of these all except Morgado Pereira >>> de Agrela. I haven't really looked at any of the Clode works, but >>>> it was >>>>>>>> in fact through his work that I was able to get to this >>>> particular >>>>>>>> ancestor, thanks to a page from his book, which the archive >>>> sent me >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> the Gois family. >>>>>>>> I just recently took out a subscription to geneall but so far >>>>>>>> haven't >>>>>>>> discovered any new nuggets of information. Will keep looking. >>> >>>>>>>> Janette >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 3-Dec-09, at 9:07 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well,>>> You proibably know already all that are available, >>>>>>>>> You >>> have >>>>>>>>> Felsiberto, HHN, >>>>>>>>> Clode, and FMPS Clode and Meneses and Morgado Pereira de >>>>>>>>> Agrela. >>>>>>>>> Geneall has >>>>>>>>> some info about Madeira genealogies. And the personal best >>>>>>>>> Madeiran >>>>>>>>> genealogies are to be found in some of our list colleagues >>>>>>>>> I'll try to find out the Travassos in Pereira de Agrela. >>>>>>>>> Once I >>>>>>>>> looked for >>>>>>>>> them and it had valuable and original info about them. >>>>>>>>> At one point some a Travassos (from 15th century) whose >>>>>>>>> alcunha >>> >>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>> " O Pequenininho) was the Carcereiro, the man in charge of >>>>>>>>> Porto >>> Santo prison. >>>>>>>>> A friend, a nobleman was quite schocked to see him in such a >>>>>>>>> station. Whatyou, from the noble Travassos, in such a terrible >>> job? >>>>>>>>> The Pequenininho had some flourished and philosophical. >>>>>>>>> answer- >>> Idon't >>>>>>>>> recall the terms. But it was somnething like: " Alas my good >>> friend, >>>>>>>>> such is >>>>>>>>> life that, though God forbid, one day you may be in the same >>>>>>>>> position as myself." >>>>>>>>> To be called Pequenininho- - is because he was very very >>>>>>>>> small >>> in stature, but not in dignity. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Miguel >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message