I forgot to mention that this Estevao has a brother who used the Fernades name - so we're lookiing pretty good as far as name matches go!! Estevao's siblings were Gaspar Fernandes (born 1616) who married Maria de Freitas in Porto da Cruz in 1638, Simao Barreto (born 1623) who had children with Isabel Dias in Porto da Cruz starting about 1655 (don't have their marriage), and a sister Maria Barreto (born 1627)-nothing further on her. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cece Camara Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 5:55 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Estevao Fernandes Barreto I do have this family in my tree- Joao Barreto, married in 1611 to Catarina Dias and I do have 4 children listed for them - and one of them is named Estevao...so we could very well be on the right track here. Unfortunately, I never took this down any further than this - so I do not have Estevao's marriage. I have him listed as Estavao Barreto as I only have his year of birth from his baptismal record and don't really know which name he went by. As it says about 1618 - it means it was at the point in my research where I was writing down the baptisms of everyone in Porto da Cruz to try to tie them all together in my tree, so I do not have the actually record for him - although I may have for his 3 siblings as they all have actual baptismal dates. If you believe this is the correct Estevao, (son of Joao Barreto and Catherine Dias) then I can give you one more generation. His paternal grandparents are Gaspar FERNANDES & Joana BARRETO(and my directs as well). His maternal grandparents are Antonio Fernandes de Vivieros & Maria Tomas. And unfortunately, this is the last of either of their lines that I have...so if anyone knows who Antonio Fernandes de Vivieros & Maria Tomas parents are - or whom Gaspar FERNANDES & Joana BARRETO's parents are - please let us know!! Cece From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Luis Beal Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 10:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Estevao Fernandes Barreto In the Barretos do Porto da Cruz there is one Joao Barreto, married in 1611 to Catarina Dias, daughter of Antonio Fernandes e Maria Tomas. He is the son of Gaspar Fernandes and Joana Barreto and lived in Porto da Cruz around 1580. There is no mention of children but he has 3 brothers and a sister listed. Pedro Barreto and Guiomar Lourenco, married 1610; Simao Barreto married first Maria Dias, then Leonor de Freitas; Gaspar Fernandes and Maria Figueiredo, married 1621; Madalena Barreto and Andre' Lourenco, married 1602. Don't know if that fits your family. Luis Beal "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator ________________________________ From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 4:56:29 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Estevao Fernandes Barreto Hello Mary, If his daus. used Freitas e de Nóbrega he is a Barreto from Gaula. I bet. So he is a descendant of Duarte Barreto ( a g. son probably) the first Barreto from Gaula. Clode says he was not noble. Gouveia e Freitas says he definitely was. A Fidalgo. Whatever the case he was wealthy- "abastado proprietário - and from him came all sorts of Barretos from Gaula and some went to S. Gonçalo and elsewhere. In the book Famílias de Gaula these Barretos are said to be one of the old families from Gaula. I'm also descended from them. Miguel On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:59 PM, Mary Frost <[email protected]>wrote: > Hello Luis: > > I am looking for any information on my 7 g grandfather. I do not know > where or when he was born. Marriage docs of his children indicate he > was married to Catarina Dias. They had four children who lived to > adulthood and marry in Agua de Pena in late 1600s. His son used the > surname Fernandes and his daughters used the surnames of de Freitas > and de Nobrega. > > Any info would be enlightening. > > Thank you > > Mary da Silva Frost > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. 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It seems that Mary is set on the right track. Porto da Cruz, Santa Cruz and Gaula are all contiguous. The names Nóbrega and Freitas are typical from Gaula, where you have the Freitas de Gaula and the Barretos from Duarte Barreto. Estêvão is probably a g.son of Duarte Barreto, or closely related to him. Miguel On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Cece Camara <[email protected]> wrote: > I forgot to mention that this Estevao has a brother who used the Fernades > name - so we're lookiing pretty good as far as name matches go!! Estevao's > siblings were Gaspar Fernandes (born 1616) who married Maria de Freitas in > Porto da Cruz in 1638, Simao Barreto (born 1623) who had children with > Isabel Dias in Porto da Cruz starting about 1655 (don't have their > marriage), and a sister Maria Barreto (born 1627)-nothing further on her. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cece Camara > Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 5:55 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Estevao Fernandes Barreto > > I do have this family in my tree- Joao Barreto, married in 1611 to Catarina > Dias and I do have 4 children listed for them - and one of them is named > Estevao...so we could very well be on the right track here. Unfortunately, > I > never took this down any further than this - so I do not have Estevao's > marriage. I have him listed as Estavao Barreto as I only have his year of > birth from his baptismal record and don't really know which name he went > by. > As it says about 1618 - it means it was at the point in my research where I > was writing down the baptisms of everyone in Porto da Cruz to try to tie > them all together in my tree, so I do not have the actually record for him > - > although I may have for his 3 siblings as they all have actual baptismal > dates. > If you believe this is the correct Estevao, (son of Joao Barreto and > Catherine Dias) then I can give you one more generation. His paternal > grandparents are Gaspar FERNANDES & Joana BARRETO(and my directs as well). > His maternal grandparents are Antonio Fernandes de Vivieros & Maria Tomas. > And unfortunately, this is the last of either of their lines that I > have...so if anyone knows who Antonio Fernandes de Vivieros & Maria Tomas > parents are - or whom Gaspar FERNANDES & Joana BARRETO's parents are - > please let us know!! > Cece > > > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Luis Beal > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 10:17 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Estevao Fernandes Barreto > > In the Barretos do Porto da Cruz there is one Joao Barreto, married in 1611 > to Catarina Dias, daughter of Antonio Fernandes e Maria Tomas. He is the > son > of Gaspar Fernandes and Joana Barreto and lived in Porto da Cruz around > 1580. > There is no mention of children but he has 3 brothers and a sister listed. > Pedro Barreto and Guiomar Lourenco, married 1610; Simao Barreto married > first Maria Dias, then Leonor de Freitas; Gaspar Fernandes and Maria > Figueiredo, married 1621; Madalena Barreto and Andre' Lourenco, married > 1602. > > Don't know if that fits your family. > > Luis Beal > > "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a > child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the > life of our ancestors." > Cicero, Roman orator > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 4:56:29 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Estevao Fernandes Barreto > > Hello Mary, > > If his daus. used Freitas e de Nóbrega he is a Barreto from Gaula. I bet. > So he is a descendant of Duarte Barreto ( a g. son probably) the first > Barreto from Gaula. Clode says he was not noble. Gouveia e Freitas says he > definitely was. A Fidalgo. Whatever the case he was wealthy- "abastado > proprietário - and from him came all sorts of Barretos from Gaula and some > went to S. Gonçalo and elsewhere. In the book Famílias de Gaula these > Barretos are said to be one of the old families from Gaula. > I'm also descended from them. > > > Miguel > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:59 PM, Mary Frost > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Hello Luis: > > > > I am looking for any information on my 7 g grandfather. I do not know > > where or when he was born. Marriage docs of his children indicate he > > was married to Catarina Dias. They had four children who lived to > > adulthood and marry in Agua de Pena in late 1600s. His son used the > > surname Fernandes and his daughters used the surnames of de Freitas > > and de Nobrega. > > > > Any info would be enlightening. > > > > Thank you > > > > Mary da Silva Frost > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this > incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.104/2559 - Release Date: 12/11/09 > 19:37:00 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this > incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.104/2559 - Release Date: 12/11/09 > 19:37:00 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >