Hello Leandro, Forget the former sequence. I forgot to add D. João Henriques de Noronha. Here is goes again > Voilà: > > Genealogy of the Ferreiras de Noronha from Caniço - according to Morgado > Pereira de Agrela, HHN nobiliário, RGMPS (Clode), TGM II. from geneall, ARM > database, Alão de Morais, Felisberto Bettencourt de Miranda. > > 1. King Henrique II of Castille * and Elvira Iñiguez de La Vega , (from > the famous and ancient Lasso de La Vega family. who among others had the > Inka Garcilaso de La Vega, and the poet homonymous Garcilaso de La Vega) > 1.1 Don Alfonso Henriques, Conde de Noroña e Gijón had from N.: > 1.2. D. João Henriques de Noronha had from Beatriz, Lady of Mirabel: > 1.3.. D. Mécia de Noronha. m. 146...João Gonçalves da Câmara, "O Porrinha", > son of João Gonçalves da Câmara 1st. Capitão Donatário and Constança > Rodrigues, had: > 1.4. Manuel de Noronha (Poeta do Cancioneiro) and Isabel Soares Ferreira > (mulher nobre de Câmara de Lobos) had: > 1.5. Maria de Noronha. m.1520 João Gonçalves de Aguiar, they had > 1.6. Simão Gonçalves de Noronha m. 1560 Inês Ferreira de Andrade, they had: > 1.7. João Ferreira de Noronha m 1601 Caniço, Inês de Andrade. dau. > Francisco de Cairos Ribeiro and Catarina Fernandes, they had: > 1.8. António Ferreira m. Maria Mendes (From the Mendo Enes); Belchior > Soares; Maria de Andrade m. 1651 Caniço Manuel Dias Saldanha, son of Pedro > Dias Saldanha and Ana Henriques, they had: > *1.9. Matias de Andrad*e m 1691 Caniço. Francisca de Nóbrega, dau of > Gabriel de Nóbrega and Maria Jorge., > > > * The genealogy of King Henrique II, of Castille, El de Las mercedes, is > well known. It's on geneall and on more sites. He is also a descendant of D. > Afonso Henriques, 1st King of Portugal. > > > Regards, > > Miguel > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 11:06 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Miguel.... >> >> Corrections made already. Thank you very much. >> >> About Frutuoso Pires, i got their names from their marriage certificate >> when it was available in NESOS. >> >> I would love to receive from you the ancestry of Matias de Andrada. Will >> be >> looking forward to that. Thank you >> >> Leandro >> >> >> In a message dated 12/10/2009 5:25:17 P.M. W. Europe Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> Leandro, >> >> Since I have to start somewhere here are my suggestions of corrections: >> >> Gabriel de Nóbrega married Francisca d'Ocanha and not Francisca de Cunha >> - >> It makes all the difference, the D'OCanhas orginate in João d'Ocanha, >> Escudeiro. It was one of the first families to settle in Madeira. Minor >> nobility, of Spanish origin. But they very early linked with the Câmaras, >> with Henriques Alemão, etc. check HHN, "Canhas." >> >> Mundos de Nóbrega and not Mendo de Nóbrega. It also makes all the >> difference, since he is probably the only Mundos of all history of >> Madeira >> and of Portugal. His name could be Edmundo, but he is known as Mundos. He >> is >> José Fernandes', as well as Cece's and mine too (and also other in this >> list) direct ancestor. In José's case "directissimo", since it comes via >> his >> mother. In mine through a maternal, gg. mother. >> >> Leonor Marchena and not Lenor Machina. (I had a discussion about this >> Marchena in this list w+ith prima Pat, long ago, if I am not wrong) >> >> And one question - how do you know that Maria Tello married with Frutuoso >> Pires, was a Maria Telo de Meneses? >> >> I mean she may be, she most probably is, but in António Fernandes CL >> marriage with Catarina Fernandes >> ( I have the document, and am a direct descendant) ) she appears only as >> Maria Tello. >> About Frutuoso Pires I am convinced he is Pires de Canha, or Pires >> d'Ocanha. >> Just intuition and because of the witness Francisco Martins de Canha and >> Hilário Rodrigues (another Canha in disguise, IMO)- Francisco martions de >> Canha was a descedant of João Pires de Canha. Check geneall. They copied >> it >> from HHN. So it's bound to be right. >> >> If you're interested will try to send you the ascendancy of Matias de >> Andrada (you already have him) , who links with the Noronhas of Caniço, >> and >> with Alfonso Henriques. Conde de Noroña y Gijón. (A colourful character, >> attacked Cascais, the famous Portuguese cosmopolitan tourist resort (The >> Portuguese Cannes or Nice). Was in war for years with his half-brother, >> who >> happened to be the King of Spain. Almost won the war. But finally lost it >> and was sent into exile to France. He lost his title, fortune, position, >> and >> he and his wife , Isabel of Portugal (illegitimate daughter of a >> Portuguese >> King) etc. led a life of poverty until their deaths. It was not a small >> loss >> since he was probably the second most powerful man in Spain and the chief >> of >> a considerable part of the titled nobility. >> >> His sons, because of their kinship with the Kin of Portugal all went to >> Portugal. Where they received nobility titles and married into the >> highest >> nobility. Since then, among the old genealogists, there is saying "quem >> não >> tem sangue de Noronha, não é da nobreza a valer." Who has no Noronha >> blood >> is not from the real nobility." Whatever. Our times are more democratic. >> But >> it's worth remembering the social and historical importance the Noronhas >> had. They were Vice-Roys in the Portuguese India, Counts of this and >> that, >> Marquis, Bishops, and had the right to use "Dom" before their name. (Dom >> is >> a short word for Dominus, in latin, Lord or Sir). So to sum up, after the >> Royal House there was the House of the Noronhas. >> And then,hmmmmm, the others. >> >> >> >> regards, >> >> Miguel >> >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 4:40 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > hey Miguel, >> > >> > you are MORE THAN WELCOME to make suggestions and add new info. >> Actually, >> > not only you but all our cousins from the forum, which im so proud to >> be >> > related to. These cyber space is quite nice actually, it feels like a >> big >> > family. Thank you for your compliments and im looking forward to hear >> from >> > you >> > all. >> > >> > Leandro >> > >> > >> > In a message dated 06/12/2009 17:30:40 Romance Standard Time, >> > [email protected] writes: >> > >> > Hi Leandro, >> > >> > >> > Great job! Looks like an anthology of almost all Madeiran families - >> it >> > shows our many connections. For the moment I'm just seeing. You won't >> mind >> > if I point some corrections, namely in parts that are atributed to me? >> > Some >> > I have new data, others I have abandoned due to new facts and >> documents. >> > >> > Anyway a genealogical work is always a work in progress, subject to >> > significant changes sometimes, to minor alterations. >> > >> > Where to start? Well I picked , for a start, Afonso da Mata, who was >> > Escudeiro, and Isabel de Freitas. They are well known amidst the >> founding >> > fathers of all Gaula families. Quite recently I discovered that Isabel >> de >> > Freitas comes from the Freitas of Terras de Bouro (North of Portugal). >> It >> > seems a promising line. Yet certainly very difficult to track since >> it's >> > medieval. I'll try to ask in another forum to some MEDIEVAL >> specialists >> > who >> > were these Freitas. >> > >> > Clode says that Isabel de Freitas, bescause she was from S. Cruz >> > "probably" >> > belonged to the well known Freitas of Santa Cruz. It's a possibility. >> But >> > I >> > don't know the origin of these, apart what is common knowledge . they >> > descend from Gonçalo de Freitas. FCR, Monteiro. Mor do Infante D. >> > Fernando. >> > (I was never able to confirm this title) >> > >> > Well, >> > >> > Once again congratulations and >> > >> > regards, >> > >> > >> > Miguel >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 12:18 AM, Cece Camara <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > > OK - now tell me how you did it?? :-) >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: [email protected] >> > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> > [email protected] >> > > Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 4:14 PM >> > > To: [email protected] >> > > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] website >> > > >> > > hey guys, >> > > >> > > especially Cece, Ed, Jeff, Lou, Zack, Jose, Pat and Zelia, >> > > >> > > I just updated my website: _http://teles.tribalpages.com_ >> > > (http://teles.tribalpages.com) >> > > >> > > and put your ancestors of each of you with a coloured box, so in >> that >> > way >> > > would be easier to follow p how close we are related. >> > > >> > > let me know what you guys think >> > > >> > > thank u >> > > >> > > leandro >> > > >> > > >> > > In a message dated 12/5/2009 3:44:52 P.M. W. Europe Standard Time, >> > > [email protected] writes: >> > > >> > > Lou, >> > > >> > > Sorry if I disturbed you. I'm in learn mode too, and will forever >> be. >> > For >> > > us living in Portugal they are quite normal, I would say totally >> > expected >> > > names from that time, place and circunstances. And most of them, if >> not >> > > all >> > > (Frutuoso may have disappeared) are still used today by many >> people. >> > > >> > > So Francisco Gonçalves Homem is from Ribeira Brava. He must be from >> > the >> > > Homens known to have lived in that place. That's a start. I also >> have >> > > Homens from RB and they certainly are all from the same family. As >> we >> > know >> > > there are four main sources for the name Homem . either Homem de >> Sousa, >> > > Homem de Gouveia, Homem d'El-Rei and simply Homem ( not so simple >> at >> > all, >> > > because a simple Homem may have the name of one of the other three >> > types). >> > > >> > > In any case the Homem (meaning Man, actually it's a toponymic >> taken >> > from >> > > people living close to the river Homem) or Homens (plural) are a >> very >> > > ancient Portuguese family. >> > > >> > > >> > > Well, I hope I was of some help, >> > > >> > > Best regards, >> > > >> > > Miguel >> > > >> > > PS Who were Álvaro Rodirgues parents? And the witness of his >> marriage >> > to >> > > Maria Lopes? >> > > >> > > Lopes being a patronymic,from Lopo, at one point Maria has a Lopo >> as >> > > ascendant. >> > > >> > > Feel free to ask any question you'd like to. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 2:42 AM, Lou Abreu III <[email protected] >> > >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > > Miguel >> > > > Forgive me, the names seem strange to me, I am still in learn >> mode >> > > > and have not seen these names on the list that often if at all. >> > > > >> > > > Francisco Goncalves Homem is not listed has having a parish, he >> is >> > > > mentioned in his daughter Ines martins marriage to Francisco >> Rodrigues >> > > > Duarte on 16 Sept 1614, Ribeira Brava (book #389,Fl 153) >> > > > >> > > > Domingos Anes and Branca Afonco are mentioned in their daughter >> Maria >> > > Lopes >> > > > marriage to Alvaro Rodrigues 21 Feb 1569, Ponta do Sol (book >> #454, >> > fl >> > > > 81) >> > > > >> > > > Regards, >> > > > Lou >> > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > From: [email protected] >> > > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Miguel de >> > > > Castro Henriques >> > > > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 6:35 PM >> > > > To: [email protected] >> > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] GROUP QUESTION >> > > > >> > > > Hello Lu, >> > > > >> > > > Strange ones, how come? They all seem quite normal ones - I mean >> > > > typical names from these times. >> > > > >> > > > Francisco Gonçalves Homem is from what parish? >> > > > and Domingos Nunes m, Branca Afonso? She could be a Drummond. >> Any >> > > Drummond >> > > > or Escórcio witness in her marriage certificate, or his son or >> > > > daughter >> > > ? >> > > > >> > > > Regards, >> > > > >> > > > Miguel >> > > > >> > > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Lou Abreu III >> <[email protected]> >> > > > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > All, >> > > > > I have the following that appear to be dead ends so I am >> sending >> > > > > them >> > > > out >> > > > > to the group to see if anyone has these names, any help or >> hints >> > > > > are appreciated. >> > > > > >> > > > > Gaspar Dias + Ana Rodrigues dates not recorded, dwelling: Lugar >> de >> > > Baixo >> > > > > >> > > > > Antao Serradas + Maria Rodrigues dates not recorded >> > > > > >> > > > > Goncalo Dias + Margarida Rodrigues Ponta do Sol? Prior to 1568 >> > > > > >> > > > > Gregorio Sardinha + Isabel Fernandes dates not recorded >> > > > > >> > > > > Catarina Dias + Baltasar Fernandes Ponta do Sol? Prior to 1568 >> > > > > >> > > > > Frutuoso Enes + Cecilia Frenandes ca. 1570 >> > > > > >> > > > > Apolonia Dias + Pedro Goncalos Ponta do Sol May 12 1573 >> > > > > >> > > > > Joao Pires + Maria Fernandes Ponta do Sol Nov 29 1580 >> > > > > >> > > > > Domingos Anes + Branca Afonco >> > > > > >> > > > > Francisco Goncalves Homem + Isabel Pereira ca. 1590 >> > > > > >> > > > > As you can see I have some strange ones so anything is >> welcomed. >> > > > > >> > > > > Lou >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > ------------------------------- >> > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> > without >> > > the >> > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > ------------------------------- >> > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > ------------------------------- >> > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> > without >> > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> > the >> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> > the >> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> > > Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.94/2545 - Release Date: >> > 12/05/09 >> > > 08:13:00 >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> > the >> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> > quotes in the subject >> > and the body of the message >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject >> and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >