Cece and Miguel, Here's what's in HHH Pat Per HHH Titulo - Acciaioli "Nº 1 - Simão Acciaioli, Florentino de nação e primeiro que passou a esta Ilha, como d´os documentos referidos e d´outros muitosconsta, era filho(1) de Zenobio Accioioli, o Moço, e de sua mulher Catharina Delphina, aquele a quem o Imperador Carlos 5º comcedeu os privile- gios que vimos n´o documento referido; viveu n´esta Ilha para onde veio pel-os annos 1515, segundo se deixa ver d´a certidão que trouxe, já allegada; fez assento n´esta Cidade, onde fabricou casas nobres n´a rua, que d´elle conserva o nome instituio um morgado com uma Capella dedicada á Natividade d´a Senhora, ná sua Quinta, que se sagrou n´o anno de .... foi fundador outrosi d´o capitulo velho d´o Convento de São Francisco d´esta Cidade, de Nossa Senhora d´a Piedade, para seu enterro; n´elle jaz com sua mulher, defronte d´o altar, em cuja campa se lê um e outro nome; e n´as ilhargas d´a dicta sepultura as de seus filhos morreu em 15 de fevereiro de 1544 annos. Casou com Catharina Pimentel, filha de Pedro Rodrigues Pimentel(2) fidalgo n´os Livros d´El Rei, d´os Pimenteis de Torres Novas de Por- tugal, e de sua mulher Izabel Ferreira Drummond, que era filha de Gaspar Gonçalves Ferreira e de Catharina Nunes, em titulo de Ferreiras d´a Costa Grande, § 2, Nº 2, fol.: ....., a qual falleceu em 12 de Ou- tubro de 1541 annos. (2) Na mesma margem externa está o seguinte teór : (2) Este Pedro Rodrigues Pimentel passou á Ilha d´a Madeira pelos annos 1460, sendo filho de Rodrigo Pimen-tel que viveu em Tores Novaes, e de sua mulher D. Catharina de Brito, como vi p’ uma Justificação tirada em 1547." Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cece Camara" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 5:33:37 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Camacho I'm getting nervous that I may have messed something up here and haven't had a chance to pull all the sources yet...but this is what I have in my tree: The Catherina Anes Afonso that is married to Pedro Gonçalves Camacho is the daughter of Catherine Annes Drummond and Gaspar Goncalves Ferreira (and thus grandaughter of Joao Escocio). Make any better sense now? Or do I neeed to go and find my mistake??? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Scot Austin Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 2:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Camacho Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > Cece, > > Can you find a reference about Pedro Gonçalves Camacho and Catarina > Anes in the Acciolis title of HHN? > > There is in fact a Catarina Anes dau. of João Escócio, but it's > another, an homonimous of the one geneall refers as wife of Pedro Gonçalves Camacho. > I show her married to Gaspar Goncalves Ferreira Scot > > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Cece Camara <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Miguel, >> Re your note below about : >> "The link to the Drummonds that geneall presents about Catarina Anes >> Afonso <http://www.geneall.net/P/per_page.php?id=41573> >> - * c. 1460 Pedro Gonçalves Camacho connection through Catarina to >> the Drummonds is not real.It is one of geneall flops. She was not a >> Drummond. >> FAD indeed has one line, at least, to John Drummond. It's through the >> Pimentel, I think." >> >> I also have Catarina named as a Drummond as well as her daughter >> Isabel - and neither from Geneall. >> My sources are HHN- Acciolis and also Felisberto X 3 (from Ferreiras >> Drummond & Lordello geneologies). >> So do you think that all of these are wrong as well? If so, what do >> you have to disprove this? >> Cece >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Miguel de >> Castro Henriques >> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 4:14 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Camacho >> >> Pat, >> >> Thanks. I've come across that Manuel Fernandes Camacho and Inês de >> Andrade in geneall, but chronologically they don't fit with the ones >> I'm looking for. Though they had a g.dau. Maria de Andrade who >> married in 1650 Gaspar de Moura de Mendonça. >> My Maria de Andrade, was also married in 1650. I don't see a woman, >> becoming a widow in one year and marrying in the same year. She would >> be ostracized for the rest of her days. She had to let at the very >> least let one year go by. >> >> There are many Fernandes Camacho and Andrades, indeed. >> >> Anyway my Manuel Fernandes Camacho and Maria de Andrade, S. GONÇALO >> 1651, parents of António de Andrade Barreto, descend from some >> Barreto. And there were some Fraguedos Barretos and Barretos Thoym (or Tuim) around in S. >> Gonçalo by that time. It can be another branch of Barretos. As you >> know very well there are 4 at least!, possible trunks for the >> Barretos. >> >> . >> >> The link to the Drummonds that geneall presents about >> >> >> Catarina Anes Afonso <http://www.geneall.net/P/per_page.php?id=41573> >> >> - * c. 1460 Pedro Gonçalves Camacho >> >> connection through Catarina to the Drummonds is not real.It is one of >> geneall flops. She was not a Drummond. >> >> FAD indeed has one line, at least, to John Drummond. It's through the >> Pimentel, I think. >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> Miguel >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Pat Corbera >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> >>> Miguel, >>> >>> I have a Manuel Fernandes Camacho b. abt 1500 m. Maria Pereira >>> parents of Manuel Fernandes Camacho b. abt 1530 m. Ines de Andrade. >>> >>> Not sure if this is the individuals that you're looking for... >>> Source for the above - Sapo/GeneAll. >>> >>> Manuel Fernandes Camacho descends from John Drummond Escorcio, (via >>> John's daughter Cararina or Clara Anes Drummond...My notes indicate >>> that this daughter is FAD's ancestor). >>> >>> John DRUMMOND Escorcio is the 2rd great grandfather of Manuel >>> Fernandes CAMACHO, the father.). >>> >>> Pat >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" >>> <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 3:48:33 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada >>> Pacific >>> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Camacho >>> >>> >>>> Does anyone has any info about this couple: >>>> >>> Manuel Fernandes (Camacho) m. Maria de Andrade . 1650. S. Gonçalo.? >>> >>> Thanks in advance for any news. >>> >>> Miguel >>>