Hello Miguel, Wow! Thank you for solving this piece of the puzzle for me. I'm sincerely grateful. I'm not on the nobility quest but good to know. I'm still at a little confused on how or where the first Mendonca occurs in this line, but hopefully, once I get the documents, more will be revealed. Janette On 18-Dec-09, at 1:32 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > Hello Janette, > > In Pereira de Agrela Tomo 1-6 parte, pg 166 > > > 1 Manuel Travassos m. Maria de Mendonça, they had: > 2 - Manuel Travassos. o pequeninho. m. (1609) Isabel de Góis ( dau. of > Domingos Martins de Magalhâes and Catarina Nunes), they had: > > Baltazar > Manuel > Maria Nunes m. Baltazar de Mendonça Soares > Isabel de Castro m. Duarte Teixeira de Vasconcelos > Beatriz de Góis m. Luís de Castro Ferreira. son of Diogo de Castro > and Luzia > Fernandes > > The Travassos were from the nobility. > > I don't know where Clode got his idea , but in this particular case > he was > not accurate. > > Cheers, > > Miguel > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Janette Chun <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Thanks Miguel. Yes I know of these all except Morgado Pereira de >> Agrela. I haven't really looked at any of the Clode works, but it >> was >> in fact through his work that I was able to get to this particular >> ancestor, thanks to a page from his book, which the archive sent me >> on >> the Gois family. >> >> I just recently took out a subscription to geneall but so far haven't >> discovered any new nuggets of information. Will keep looking. >> >> Janette >> >> >> >> On 3-Dec-09, at 9:07 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: >> >>> Well, >>> >>> >>> You proibably know already all that are available, You have >>> Felsiberto, HHN, >>> Clode, and FMPS Clode and Meneses and Morgado Pereira de Agrela. >>> Geneall has >>> some info about Madeira genealogies. And the personal best Madeiran >>> genealogies are to be found in some of our list colleagues >>> >>> >>> I'll try to find out the Travassos in Pereira de Agrela. Once I >>> looked for >>> them and it had valuable and original info about them. >>> >>> At one point some a Travassos (from 15th century) whose alcunha was >>> " O >>> Pequenininho) was the Carcereiro, the man in charge of Porto Santo >>> prison. >>> A friend, a nobleman was quite schocked to see him in such a >>> station. What >>> you, from the noble Travassos, in such a terrible job? >>> The Pequenininho had some flourished and philosophical. answer- I >>> don't >>> recall the terms. But it was somnething like: " Alas my good friend, >>> such is >>> life that, though God forbid, one day you may be in the same >>> position as >>> myself." >>> >>> To be called Pequenininho- - is because he was very very small in >>> stature, >>> but not in dignity. >>> >>> Miguel >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Janette Chun <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Miguel. I have a some information on the Calacas and >>>> Ornellas. >>>> Any pointers on other resources for informaton on the Texeiras, >>>> Castros, etc. ? >>>> >>>> Janette >>>> On 3-Dec-09, at 7:49 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: >>>> >>>>> Bingo! I was sure he was from Porto Santo. He probably connects >>>>> with >>>>> the >>>>> first Travassos from Porto Santo. >>>>> >>>>> And so with the Teixeiras, Calaças, Castros, Mendonças. >>>>> Vasconcelos >>>>> and >>>>> Ornelas. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> regards, >>>>> Miguel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Janette Chun <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Miguel, >>>>>> >>>>>> 1600s - the marriage date is 1649 >>>>>> >>>>>> Manuel Travassos Isabel de Góis Porto Santo 1649 >>>>>> 991 >>>>>> 26 >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> Janette >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 3-Dec-09, at 4:47 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Janette, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From which year is he? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The name is not very common. It is very ancient. It is a >>>>>>> toponymic. >>>>>>> And the >>>>>>> Travassos from the XVI th century were considered as nobility. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Miguel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Janette Chun <[email protected] >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With the invaluable help of Luis Beal, I now have an ancestor >>>>>>>> named >>>>>>>> Manuel Travassos. I've never come across this last name >>>>>>>> before - >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> a quick internet search revealed that there are quite a few. >>>>>>>> Does >>>>>>>> anyone know the origins of this name? Is it common in Madeira? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Janette >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2-Dec-09, at 9:40 PM, Janette Chun wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks Luis! No not gothic yet....LOL >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I will email the pdf files to the address you provided. >>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>> again. >>>>>>>>> Janette >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2-Dec-09, at 10:14 AM, Luis Beal wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That was me. Just e-mail an attachment to [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> 1600's I hope it isn't gothic cause that I can't read :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Luis Beal >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain >>>>>>>>>> perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life >>>>>>>>>> unless >>>>>>>>>> it is woven into the life of our ancestors." >>>>>>>>>> Cicero, Roman orator >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> From: Janette Chun <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> To: PRT-MADEIRA <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wed, December 2, 2009 9:27:18 AM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Help reading certificates >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've enjoyed the exchange of emails over the last few weeks. >>>>>>>>>> Great to >>>>>>>>>> see the forum active again. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I recall reading an offer to help read some certificates but >>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>> remember who : ( - old age! I recently received two >>>>>>>>>> certificates >>>>>>>>>> from the 1600s which are a little difficult to decipher - I >>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>> I've >>>>>>>>>> sort of figured it out, but would welcome a second opinion as >>>>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>> familiar with some of the abbreviations. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Janette Chun >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> the body of the message >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> the body of the message >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>>>> without the >>>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>> without the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] >>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>>> the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message