That's my cousin, Maria do Monte the gg.dau. of Pereira de Agrela. Until quite recently they were not available. But now, I see , they are. On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 12:45 AM, Luis Beal <[email protected]> wrote: > > http://picasaweb.google.pt/cisne888/ This lady posted 9 books online of > Joao Agostinho Pereira d'Agrella > > Luis Beal > > "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a > child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the > life of our ancestors." > Cicero, Roman orator > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, December 21, 2009 4:32:21 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Help reading certificates/Pereira d'Agrela > > You can also try Pereira de Agrela in Google books instead of Pereira > d'Agrela. > > On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 10:30 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > if you go to http://www.google.com/books and type in d'agrela you will > > find > > some mention of possibly him. > > > > I found the following passage: > > > > aquelas informacoas sido tambem asseguradas por Pedro Agostinho Pereira > > d'Agrela da Camara e por aquele Joao Diogo de quem hoave o manuscrito. > > Eran > > ambos fithos do Morgado Joao Agostinho Pereira d'Agrela da Camara, por > ouja > > morte, em Favereiro de 1835, ficou herdeiro da copia este ultimo, que era > o > > successor no morgadio. > > > > I may not have copied it correctly as it is hard to read and this may or > > may > > not be your d'Agrela. > > > > Tom Freitas > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Scot Austin" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 10:24 AM > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Help reading certificates/Pereira d'Agrela > > > > > > Miguel, > > > > Take a look at this tree: > > > > > http://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ShowPedigree&pagetitle=Person:Nicolau_Agrela_%281%29 > > Nicolau is my wife's 4g-grandfather. Can you tell how they fit in? > > > > Thanks, Scot > > > > > > Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > > > Hello David, > > > > > > Janette ansered you already. Anyway you must be a "de Agrella" from > > > Madeira, > > > transformed in De Grella. And if so Pereira de Agrela the genealogist > is > > > probably your relative, since there are not that many Agrellas in > > Madeira. > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > Miguel > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 4:10 PM, <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> I'm confused. Who or what is"Pereira d'Agrela"? > > >> Thanks, > > >> David DeGrella > > >> Tennessee, USA > > >> On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:48:56 -0800 Janette Chun <[email protected]> > > >> writes: > > >> > > >>> Thanks Miguel. I find it quite interesting that the Gois & Mendonca > > >>> names, although carried by the male line in later generations, seems > > >>> to have its genesis in the female line with Beatriz, her mother, and > > >>> now, thanks to you, her grandmother. > > >>> Turns out that I had heard of Pereira d'Agrela after all. I was > > >>> going > > >>> through some old genealogy files yesterday, and lo and behold, > > >>> thanks > > >>> to Pat (on this forum) I have about 33 pages of this genealogical > > >>> record sent to me circa 2002 : )) Thanks Pat! I will have to check > > >>> my old laptop to see what other treasures I might have stowed away. > > >>> Janette > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On 19-Dec-09, at 2:50 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> Hello Janette, > > >>>> You're welcome. I am glad I was of some help. Yesterday it was a > > > >>>> field day > > >>>> too because I also solved another old genealogical puzzle. Thanks > > >>>> > > >>> to Pereira d'Agrela. > > >>> > > >>>> Anyway, the Mendonça could come precisely from the first Manuel > > >>>> Travassos m. > > >>>> Maria Mendonça. On that era sometimes a name of an ancestor > > >>>> manifests 2 or > > >>>> three generations later. > > >>>> > > >>>> Cheers, > > >>>> Miguel > > >>>> > > >>>> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 6:15 AM, Janette Chun > > >>>> > > >>> <[email protected]> > > >>> > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> Hello Miguel, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Wow! Thank you for solving this piece of the puzzle for me. I'm > > >>>>> sincerely grateful. > > >>>>> I'm not on the nobility quest but good to know. I'm still at a > > >>>>> little > > >>>>> confused on how or where the first Mendonca occurs in this line, > but > > >>>>> hopefully, once I get the documents, more will be revealed. > > >>>>> Janette > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On 18-Dec-09, at 1:32 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> Hello Janette, > > >>>>>> In Pereira de Agrela Tomo 1-6 parte, pg 166 > > >>>>>> 1 Manuel Travassos m. Maria de Mendonça, they had: > > >>>>>> 2 - Manuel Travassos. o pequeninho. m. (1609) Isabel de Góis > > >>>>>> ( dau. of > > >>>>>> Domingos Martins de Magalhâes and Catarina Nunes), they had: > > >>>>>> Baltazar > > >>>>>> Manuel > > >>>>>> Maria Nunes m. Baltazar de Mendonça Soares > > >>>>>> Isabel de Castro m. Duarte Teixeira de Vasconcelos > > >>>>>> Beatriz de Góis m. Luís de Castro Ferreira. son of Diogo de > > >>>>>> > > >>> Castro > > >>> > > >>>>>> and Luzia > > >>>>>> Fernandes > > >>>>>> The Travassos were from the nobility. > > >>>>>> I don't know where Clode got his idea , but in this particular > > >>>>>> > > >> case > > >> > > >>>>>> he was > > >>>>>> not accurate. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Cheers, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Miguel > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Janette Chun > > >>>>>> > > >>> <[email protected]> > > >>> > > >>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Thanks Miguel. Yes I know of these all except Morgado Pereira > > >>>>>>> > > >> de Agrela. I haven't really looked at any of the Clode works, but > > >> > > >>> it was > > >>> > > >>>>>>> in fact through his work that I was able to get to this > > >>>>>>> > > >>> particular > > >>> > > >>>>>>> ancestor, thanks to a page from his book, which the archive > > >>>>>>> > > >>> sent me > > >>> > > >>>>>>> on > > >>>>>>> the Gois family. > > >>>>>>> I just recently took out a subscription to geneall but so far > > >>>>>>> haven't > > >>>>>>> discovered any new nuggets of information. Will keep looking. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Janette > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On 3-Dec-09, at 9:07 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Well,>>> You proibably know already all that are available, You > > >>>>>>>> > > >> have > > >> > > >>>>>>>> Felsiberto, HHN, > > >>>>>>>> Clode, and FMPS Clode and Meneses and Morgado Pereira de > Agrela. > > >>>>>>>> Geneall has > > >>>>>>>> some info about Madeira genealogies. And the personal best > > >>>>>>>> Madeiran > > >>>>>>>> genealogies are to be found in some of our list colleagues > > >>>>>>>> I'll try to find out the Travassos in Pereira de Agrela. Once I > > >>>>>>>> looked for > > >>>>>>>> them and it had valuable and original info about them. > > >>>>>>>> At one point some a Travassos (from 15th century) whose alcunha > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> was > > >>>>>>>> " O Pequenininho) was the Carcereiro, the man in charge of > Porto > > >>>>>>>> > > >> Santo prison. > > >> > > >>>>>>>> A friend, a nobleman was quite schocked to see him in such a > > >>>>>>>> station. Whatyou, from the noble Travassos, in such a terrible > > >>>>>>>> > > >> job? > > >> > > >>>>>>>> The Pequenininho had some flourished and philosophical. answer- > > >>>>>>>> > > >> Idon't > > >> > > >>>>>>>> recall the terms. But it was somnething like: " Alas my good > > >>>>>>>> > > >> friend, > > >> > > >>>>>>>> such is > > >>>>>>>> life that, though God forbid, one day you may be in the same > > >>>>>>>> position as myself." > > >>>>>>>> To be called Pequenininho- - is because he was very very small > > >>>>>>>> > > >> in stature, but not in dignity. > > >> > > >>>>>>>> Miguel > > >>>>>>>> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >