Amazing! So it is the same person! Is there a way to get her address so I can mail her? Email my privately with any info if you can, to [email protected] I'd love to connect with her, find out more about her connection and my lost Toronto family. On Dec 4, 2009, at 11:56 AM, Fernandes, Jose wrote: Jeffrey, She remembers your mother. Dona Angela is a friend of my mother and I knew her husband. A lady never tells her age, but she looks great for her age. Funchal is a small place and São Gonçalo is not that far. José -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:prt-madeira- [email protected]] On Behalf Of JAndrade1 Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 11:51 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Them Bones I have not seen Angela Camacho since 1966! I wonder if it is the same woman... she'd be in her 80s now I think. Doubt she'd remember me, though I know for sure she'd remember my Mom, at least my cousin Carlos Goncalves. I guess any further research on this will have to wait until I go there myself (maybe soon?)... The family I have there, that I know of, are on my mother's side of the family On Dec 4, 2009, at 11:24 AM, Fernandes, Jose wrote: Jeffrey, I thought you still had family back in the island. They might help you. São Gonçalo is where one of the cemeteries is. Mine died in 1970 and is no longer there, so it is a possibility for yours. I understand that you mother has a friend here, Angela. She is currently in Madeira. Is there any way you can connect to her? She might help. José Fernandes -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:prt-madeira- [email protected]] On Behalf Of JAndrade1 Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 10:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Them Bones My grandfather died in Funchal (Santa Maria Maior or Sao Goncalo) in 1976. I just recently found a document listing the grave number. From what you guys have said, then, his remains are no longer there? Since I only know a grave number, not even a cemetery, don't know if I could even find it, though I would love to somehow. Any ideas on how I could do that? On Nov 24, 2009, at 6:57 PM, Paulo Santos Perneta wrote: Well, now it is indeed that way, but it hasn't been always like that. My parents paid a perpetual tomb for my grand-father (though that system was abolished after the 25 April, and the remains were removed from the tomb without any compensation). Those who went to the ground also stayed in the ground, as could be seen by everyone some years ago, when large quantities of earth were removed from the Santo Antonio cemetery and dumped in a lot, to the joy of the kids of that neighborhood who turned it into a sort of "search for the treasure" theme park, with bone fights and all, until the place was closed down. In more ancient times, until the 19th century, people was buried in the churches and *stayed there forever*. They were never removed, and their remains still are there, under our feet, in the older churches. You can be pretty sure that they never were removed from the church, as it was considered a great sacrilege to bury human remains outside sacred ground, and believe me, people respected and defended that with their hearths. When the first cemeteries were built and the government issued the order to stop burying people in churches, it was a major uproar, and there were mutinies. So, until very recently, the usual way was to stay forever in the place were one was buried. At best the bones would be set aside to give way to a new corpse (they still do that, but you have to bribe the digger, so that he would bury the bones under the tomb, but then, only you would know that they are there). Paulo [email protected] wrote in Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:14:00 -0800: > Wow, it sure has become active here! > > A while back we had a discussion about burials in Madeira as well > as other > places. Apparently when a person died they were buried for > anywhere from 2 > years to 5 years and then dug up. The obvious reason for this is > that you > can only bury so many people on an island that is only 13 miles > wide and 35 > miles long. > > Where would their bones or anything else for that matter go after > that? > What determined the length of time in a grave, status? > > Thanks, > > Tom Freitas > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA- [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA- [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA- [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA- [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA- [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message