I have no idea. You guys were talking about this book so I googled it and came across that link. My first thought was of an index too but  if one exists it will be at the very end of the book, the end of the last tomo.  Sorry that I can't be of more help, maybe Miguel knows, I believe he was the one who made reference to the book. Good luck,   Luis Beal "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator ________________________________ From: JAndrade1 <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, December 30, 2009 5:50:20 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Help reading certificates/Pereira d'Agrela Hey Luis, I was looking at the picassa pages you linked to here. I hadn't seen  any references to this source before. What is its focus and how is it  organized? Seems that each of the tomes has 100s of pages so  searching it without an index of some type is tough, Could you give  me some guidance here, at least some idea of where to look? On Dec 21, 2009, at 7:45 PM, Luis Beal wrote: http://picasaweb.google.pt/cisne888/ This lady posted 9 books online  of Joao Agostinho Pereira d'Agrella Luis Beal "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain  perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it  is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator ________________________________ From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, December 21, 2009 4:32:21 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Help reading certificates/Pereira d'Agrela You can also try Pereira de Agrela in Google books instead of Pereira d'Agrela. On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 10:30 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > if you go to http://www.google.com/books and type in d'agrela you will > find > some mention of possibly him. > > I found the following passage: > > aquelas informacoas sido tambem asseguradas por Pedro Agostinho  > Pereira > d'Agrela da Camara e por aquele Joao Diogo de quem hoave o manuscrito. >  Eran > ambos fithos do Morgado Joao Agostinho Pereira d'Agrela da Camara,  > por ouja > morte, em Favereiro de 1835, ficou herdeiro da copia este ultimo,  > que era o > successor no morgadio. > > I may not have copied it correctly as it is hard to read and this  > may or > may > not be your d'Agrela. > > Tom Freitas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scot Austin" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 10:24 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Help reading certificates/Pereira d'Agrela > > > Miguel, > > Take a look at this tree: > > http://www.werelate.org/w/index.php? > title=Special:ShowPedigree&pagetitle=Person:Nicolau_Agrela_%281%29 > Nicolau is my wife's 4g-grandfather. Can you tell how they fit in? > > Thanks, Scot > > > Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: >> Hello David, >> >> Janette ansered you already. Anyway you must be a "de Agrella" from >> Madeira, >> transformed in De Grella. And if so Pereira de Agrela the  >> genealogist is >> probably your relative, since there are not that many Agrellas in > Madeira. >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> Miguel >> >> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 4:10 PM, <[email protected]>  >> wrote: >> >> >>> I'm confused.  Who or what is"Pereira d'Agrela"? >>> Thanks, >>> David DeGrella >>> Tennessee, USA >>> On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:48:56 -0800 Janette Chun  >>> <[email protected]> >>> writes: >>> >>>> Thanks Miguel.  I find it quite interesting that the Gois &  >>>> Mendonca >>>> names, although carried by the male line in later generations,  >>>> seems >>>> to have its genesis in the female line with Beatriz, her mother,  >>>> and >>>> now, thanks to you, her grandmother. >>>> Turns out that I had heard of Pereira d'Agrela after all.  I was >>>> going >>>> through some old genealogy files yesterday, and lo and behold, >>>> thanks >>>> to Pat (on this forum) I have about 33 pages of this genealogical >>>> record sent to me circa 2002 : ))  Thanks Pat!  I will have to  >>>> check >>>> my old laptop to see what other treasures I might have stowed away. >>>> Janette >>>> >>>> >>>> On 19-Dec-09, at 2:50 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hello Janette, >>>>> You're welcome. I am glad I was of some help. Yesterday it was  >>>>> a  > >>>>> field day >>>>> too because I also solved another old genealogical puzzle. Thanks >>>>> >>>> to  Pereira d'Agrela. >>>> >>>>> Anyway, the Mendonça could come precisely from the first Manuel >>>>> Travassos m. >>>>> Maria Mendonça. On that era sometimes a name of an ancestor >>>>> manifests 2 or >>>>> three generations later. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Miguel >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 6:15 AM, Janette Chun >>>>> >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Miguel, >>>>>> >>>>>> Wow!  Thank you for solving this piece of the puzzle for me.  I'm >>>>>> sincerely grateful. >>>>>> I'm not on the nobility quest but good to know.  I'm still at a >>>>>> little >>>>>> confused on how or where the first Mendonca occurs in this  >>>>>> line, but >>>>>> hopefully, once I get the documents, more will be revealed. >>>>>> Janette >>>>>> >>>>>> On 18-Dec-09, at 1:32 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Janette, >>>>>>> In Pereira de Agrela Tomo 1-6 parte, pg 166 >>>>>>> 1 Manuel Travassos m. Maria de Mendonça, they had: >>>>>>> 2 - Manuel Travassos. o pequeninho. m. (1609) Isabel de Góis >>>>>>> ( dau. of >>>>>>> Domingos Martins de Magalhâes and Catarina Nunes), they had: >>>>>>> Baltazar >>>>>>> Manuel >>>>>>> Maria Nunes m. Baltazar de Mendonça Soares >>>>>>> Isabel de Castro m. Duarte Teixeira de Vasconcelos >>>>>>> Beatriz de Góis m. Luís de Castro Ferreira. son of Diogo de >>>>>>> >>>> Castro >>>> >>>>>>> and Luzia >>>>>>> Fernandes >>>>>>> The Travassos were from the nobility. >>>>>>> I don't know where Clode got his idea , but in this particular >>>>>>> >>> case >>> >>>>>>> he was >>>>>>> not accurate. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Miguel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Janette Chun >>>>>>> >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks Miguel.  Yes I know of these all except Morgado Pereira >>>>>>>> >>>  de Agrela.  I haven't really looked at any of the Clode works, but >>> >>>> it was >>>> >>>>>>>> in fact through his work that I was able to get to this >>>>>>>> >>>> particular >>>> >>>>>>>> ancestor, thanks to a page from his book, which the archive >>>>>>>> >>>> sent me >>>> >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> the Gois family. >>>>>>>> I just recently took out a subscription to geneall but so far >>>>>>>> haven't >>>>>>>> discovered any new nuggets of information. Will keep looking. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Janette >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 3-Dec-09, at 9:07 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well,>>> You proibably know already all that are available,  >>>>>>>>> You >>>>>>>>> >>> have >>> >>>>>>>>> Felsiberto, HHN, >>>>>>>>> Clode, and FMPS Clode and Meneses and Morgado Pereira de  >>>>>>>>> Agrela. >>>>>>>>> Geneall has >>>>>>>>> some info about Madeira genealogies. And the personal best >>>>>>>>> Madeiran >>>>>>>>> genealogies are to be found in some of our list colleagues >>>>>>>>> I'll try to find out the Travassos in Pereira de Agrela.  >>>>>>>>> Once  I >>>>>>>>> looked for >>>>>>>>> them and it had valuable and original info about them. >>>>>>>>> At one point some a Travassos (from 15th century) whose  >>>>>>>>> alcunha >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>> " O Pequenininho) was the Carcereiro, the man in  charge of  >>>>>>>>> Porto >>>>>>>>> >>>  Santo prison. >>> >>>>>>>>> A friend, a nobleman was quite schocked to see him in such a >>>>>>>>> station. Whatyou, from the noble Travassos, in such a terrible >>>>>>>>> >>> job? >>> >>>>>>>>> The Pequenininho had some flourished and philosophical.  >>>>>>>>> answer- >>>>>>>>> >>> Idon't >>> >>>>>>>>> recall the terms. But it was somnething like: " Alas my good >>>>>>>>> >>> friend, >>> >>>>>>>>> such is >>>>>>>>> life that, though God forbid,  one day you may be in the same >>>>>>>>> position as myself." >>>>>>>>> To be called Pequenininho- - is because he was very very  >>>>>>>>> small >>>>>>>>> >>> in stature, but not in dignity. >>> >>>>>>>>> Miguel >>>>>>>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe'  >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe'  > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe'  > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA- [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes  in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA- [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes  in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message