He was a genealogist in Madeira during the 1700s. The title page on the extract I have is: Genealogias da ilha da Madeira por Joao Agostinho Pereira d'Agrella. (Este autor nasceu em mais de 1777 no Funchal, onde morreu em fevereiro de 1835). It's all in script, so I hope I've read that correctly. Loosely translated it says Genealogies of the Island of Madeira by Joao Agostinho Pereira d'Agrela. (This author was born before 1777 in Funchal where he died in February 1835). I have no idea how extensive his volume of work is - as mentioned I only have 33 pages (that I know of : ) - but Miguel makes reference to pg 166, so my guess - extensive. I also don't know if this is available anywhere online. I will look to see if I have any more files that might complete this volume. I'm happy to share what I have on this particular genealogist if anyone is interested, please email me at [email protected] At this stage, it looks like the Aguares de Machico, Garros, Ferreiras de Arco, Pereiras das Florencas, Agrellas, Baioes, Borges. I've printed the pages off to try and make sense of them as most don't have any page numbers and it doesn't appear to be in alphabetical order. Janette On 19-Dec-09, at 8:10 AM, [email protected] wrote: > I'm confused. Who or what is"Pereira d'Agrela"? > Thanks, > David DeGrella > Tennessee, USA > On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:48:56 -0800 Janette Chun <[email protected]> > writes: >> Thanks Miguel. I find it quite interesting that the Gois & Mendonca >> names, although carried by the male line in later generations, seems >> to have its genesis in the female line with Beatriz, her mother, and >> now, thanks to you, her grandmother. >> Turns out that I had heard of Pereira d'Agrela after all. I was >> going >> through some old genealogy files yesterday, and lo and behold, >> thanks >> to Pat (on this forum) I have about 33 pages of this genealogical >> record sent to me circa 2002 : )) Thanks Pat! I will have to check >> my old laptop to see what other treasures I might have stowed away. >> Janette >> >> >> On 19-Dec-09, at 2:50 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: >> >>> Hello Janette, >>> You're welcome. I am glad I was of some help. Yesterday it was a > >>> field day >>> too because I also solved another old genealogical puzzle. Thanks >> to Pereira d'Agrela. >>> Anyway, the Mendonça could come precisely from the first Manuel >>> Travassos m. >>> Maria Mendonça. On that era sometimes a name of an ancestor >>> manifests 2 or >>> three generations later. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Miguel >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 6:15 AM, Janette Chun >> <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Miguel, >>>> >>>> Wow! Thank you for solving this piece of the puzzle for me. I'm >>>> sincerely grateful. >>>> I'm not on the nobility quest but good to know. I'm still at a >>>> little >>>> confused on how or where the first Mendonca occurs in this line, >>>> but >>>> hopefully, once I get the documents, more will be revealed. >>>> Janette > >>>> On 18-Dec-09, at 1:32 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > >>>>> Hello Janette, >>>>> In Pereira de Agrela Tomo 1-6 parte, pg 166 >>>>> 1 Manuel Travassos m. Maria de Mendonça, they had: >>>>> 2 - Manuel Travassos. o pequeninho. m. (1609) Isabel de Góis >>>>> ( dau. of >>>>> Domingos Martins de Magalhâes and Catarina Nunes), they had: >>>>> Baltazar >>>>> Manuel >>>>> Maria Nunes m. Baltazar de Mendonça Soares >>>>> Isabel de Castro m. Duarte Teixeira de Vasconcelos >>>>> Beatriz de Góis m. Luís de Castro Ferreira. son of Diogo de >> Castro >>>>> and Luzia >>>>> Fernandes >>>>> The Travassos were from the nobility. >>>>> I don't know where Clode got his idea , but in this particular > case >>>>> he was >>>>> not accurate. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Miguel >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Janette Chun >> <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Miguel. Yes I know of these all except Morgado Pereira > de Agrela. I haven't really looked at any of the Clode works, but >> it was >>>>>> in fact through his work that I was able to get to this >> particular >>>>>> ancestor, thanks to a page from his book, which the archive >> sent me >>>>>> on >>>>>> the Gois family. >>>>>> I just recently took out a subscription to geneall but so far >>>>>> haven't >>>>>> discovered any new nuggets of information. Will keep looking. > >>>>>> Janette >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 3-Dec-09, at 9:07 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Well,>>> You proibably know already all that are available, You > have >>>>>>> Felsiberto, HHN, >>>>>>> Clode, and FMPS Clode and Meneses and Morgado Pereira de >>>>>>> Agrela. >>>>>>> Geneall has >>>>>>> some info about Madeira genealogies. And the personal best >>>>>>> Madeiran >>>>>>> genealogies are to be found in some of our list colleagues >>>>>>> I'll try to find out the Travassos in Pereira de Agrela. Once I >>>>>>> looked for >>>>>>> them and it had valuable and original info about them. >>>>>>> At one point some a Travassos (from 15th century) whose alcunha > >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> " O Pequenininho) was the Carcereiro, the man in charge of >>>>>>> Porto > Santo prison. >>>>>>> A friend, a nobleman was quite schocked to see him in such a >>>>>>> station. Whatyou, from the noble Travassos, in such a terrible > job? >>>>>>> The Pequenininho had some flourished and philosophical. answer- > Idon't >>>>>>> recall the terms. But it was somnething like: " Alas my good > friend, >>>>>>> such is >>>>>>> life that, though God forbid, one day you may be in the same >>>>>>> position as myself." >>>>>>> To be called Pequenininho- - is because he was very very small > in stature, but not in dignity. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Miguel > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Pereira d'Agrella work is a manuscript. It has several tomes, and perhaps 700 pages or more. I have not counted them. It is an interesting work because it takes a broad view of some families that usually are not referred in the other nobiliaries. It is a nobiliary. Pereira de Agrela had the chance to see several documents that since him were lost, ruined or eaten by mice, moth, worms, and human carelessness (the worst and more damaging). Old documents could stay in damp places for ages. Some miraculously survived but many disappeared. And the worst thing is that many disappeared or were ruined due to lack of care during the 19 th century . Older people respected a bit more the written documents. But with the emergence of print, old stuff was groovy, old was outdated, considered rubish, except by some few like Pereira d'Agrela. His g-gdaughter, an extremely generous person, told me several things about his ancestor. Curiously since him all the Agrellas have devoted themselves to genealogy until our days, where their representative - my cousin- is still investigating. Miguel On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Janette Chun <[email protected]> wrote: > He was a genealogist in Madeira during the 1700s. > > The title page on the extract I have is: Genealogias da ilha da > Madeira por Joao Agostinho Pereira d'Agrella. (Este autor nasceu em > mais de 1777 no Funchal, onde morreu em fevereiro de 1835). It's all > in script, so I hope I've read that correctly. Loosely translated it > says Genealogies of the Island of Madeira by Joao Agostinho Pereira > d'Agrela. (This author was born before 1777 in Funchal where he died > in February 1835). > > I have no idea how extensive his volume of work is - as mentioned I > only have 33 pages (that I know of : ) - but Miguel makes reference to > pg 166, so my guess - extensive. I also don't know if this is > available anywhere online. I will look to see if I have any more > files that might complete this volume. I'm happy to share what I have > on this particular genealogist if anyone is interested, please email > me at [email protected] At this stage, it looks like the Aguares > de Machico, Garros, Ferreiras de Arco, Pereiras das Florencas, > Agrellas, Baioes, Borges. I've printed the pages off to try and make > sense of them as most don't have any page numbers and it doesn't > appear to be in alphabetical order. > > > > Janette > > > On 19-Dec-09, at 8:10 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > I'm confused. Who or what is"Pereira d'Agrela"? > > Thanks, > > David DeGrella > > Tennessee, USA > > On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:48:56 -0800 Janette Chun <[email protected]> > > writes: > >> Thanks Miguel. I find it quite interesting that the Gois & Mendonca > >> names, although carried by the male line in later generations, seems > >> to have its genesis in the female line with Beatriz, her mother, and > >> now, thanks to you, her grandmother. > >> Turns out that I had heard of Pereira d'Agrela after all. I was > >> going > >> through some old genealogy files yesterday, and lo and behold, > >> thanks > >> to Pat (on this forum) I have about 33 pages of this genealogical > >> record sent to me circa 2002 : )) Thanks Pat! I will have to check > >> my old laptop to see what other treasures I might have stowed away. > >> Janette > >> > >> > >> On 19-Dec-09, at 2:50 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > >> > >>> Hello Janette, > >>> You're welcome. I am glad I was of some help. Yesterday it was a > > >>> field day > >>> too because I also solved another old genealogical puzzle. Thanks > >> to Pereira d'Agrela. > >>> Anyway, the Mendonça could come precisely from the first Manuel > >>> Travassos m. > >>> Maria Mendonça. On that era sometimes a name of an ancestor > >>> manifests 2 or > >>> three generations later. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Miguel > >>> > >>> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 6:15 AM, Janette Chun > >> <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hello Miguel, > >>>> > >>>> Wow! Thank you for solving this piece of the puzzle for me. I'm > >>>> sincerely grateful. > >>>> I'm not on the nobility quest but good to know. I'm still at a > >>>> little > >>>> confused on how or where the first Mendonca occurs in this line, > >>>> but > >>>> hopefully, once I get the documents, more will be revealed. > >>>> Janette > > > >>>> On 18-Dec-09, at 1:32 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > > > >>>>> Hello Janette, > >>>>> In Pereira de Agrela Tomo 1-6 parte, pg 166 > >>>>> 1 Manuel Travassos m. Maria de Mendonça, they had: > >>>>> 2 - Manuel Travassos. o pequeninho. m. (1609) Isabel de Góis > >>>>> ( dau. of > >>>>> Domingos Martins de Magalhâes and Catarina Nunes), they had: > >>>>> Baltazar > >>>>> Manuel > >>>>> Maria Nunes m. Baltazar de Mendonça Soares > >>>>> Isabel de Castro m. Duarte Teixeira de Vasconcelos > >>>>> Beatriz de Góis m. Luís de Castro Ferreira. son of Diogo de > >> Castro > >>>>> and Luzia > >>>>> Fernandes > >>>>> The Travassos were from the nobility. > >>>>> I don't know where Clode got his idea , but in this particular > > case > >>>>> he was > >>>>> not accurate. > >>>>> > >>>>> Cheers, > >>>>> > >>>>> Miguel > >>>>> > >>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Janette Chun > >> <[email protected]> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks Miguel. Yes I know of these all except Morgado Pereira > > de Agrela. I haven't really looked at any of the Clode works, but > >> it was > >>>>>> in fact through his work that I was able to get to this > >> particular > >>>>>> ancestor, thanks to a page from his book, which the archive > >> sent me > >>>>>> on > >>>>>> the Gois family. > >>>>>> I just recently took out a subscription to geneall but so far > >>>>>> haven't > >>>>>> discovered any new nuggets of information. Will keep looking. > > > >>>>>> Janette > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 3-Dec-09, at 9:07 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Well,>>> You proibably know already all that are available, You > > have > >>>>>>> Felsiberto, HHN, > >>>>>>> Clode, and FMPS Clode and Meneses and Morgado Pereira de > >>>>>>> Agrela. > >>>>>>> Geneall has > >>>>>>> some info about Madeira genealogies. And the personal best > >>>>>>> Madeiran > >>>>>>> genealogies are to be found in some of our list colleagues > >>>>>>> I'll try to find out the Travassos in Pereira de Agrela. Once I > >>>>>>> looked for > >>>>>>> them and it had valuable and original info about them. > >>>>>>> At one point some a Travassos (from 15th century) whose alcunha > > > >>>>>>> was > >>>>>>> " O Pequenininho) was the Carcereiro, the man in charge of > >>>>>>> Porto > > Santo prison. > >>>>>>> A friend, a nobleman was quite schocked to see him in such a > >>>>>>> station. Whatyou, from the noble Travassos, in such a terrible > > job? > >>>>>>> The Pequenininho had some flourished and philosophical. answer- > > Idon't > >>>>>>> recall the terms. But it was somnething like: " Alas my good > > friend, > >>>>>>> such is > >>>>>>> life that, though God forbid, one day you may be in the same > >>>>>>> position as myself." > >>>>>>> To be called Pequenininho- - is because he was very very small > > in stature, but not in dignity. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Miguel > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Janette, I was looking for the info that I recall sending to you years ago...Think it's the same old genealogy file that you noted in your post... I'll keep looking for the entire file... recall it was very long, and took numerous e-mail attachments. I check my old computer, hope it's still there... Also think it was a file that I originally downloaded from the Portuguese List Group with Francisco Doria (FAD aka Chico)... I'm on the "hunt." to be continued... Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janette Chun" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:50:14 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Help reading certificates/Pereira d'Agrela He was a genealogist in Madeira during the 1700s. The title page on the extract I have is: Genealogias da ilha da Madeira por Joao Agostinho Pereira d'Agrella. (Este autor nasceu em mais de 1777 no Funchal, onde morreu em fevereiro de 1835). It's all in script, so I hope I've read that correctly. Loosely translated it says Genealogies of the Island of Madeira by Joao Agostinho Pereira d'Agrela. (This author was born before 1777 in Funchal where he died in February 1835). I have no idea how extensive his volume of work is - as mentioned I only have 33 pages (that I know of : ) - but Miguel makes reference to pg 166, so my guess - extensive. I also don't know if this is available anywhere online. I will look to see if I have any more files that might complete this volume. I'm happy to share what I have on this particular genealogist if anyone is interested, please email me at [email protected] At this stage, it looks like the Aguares de Machico, Garros, Ferreiras de Arco, Pereiras das Florencas, Agrellas, Baioes, Borges. I've printed the pages off to try and make sense of them as most don't have any page numbers and it doesn't appear to be in alphabetical order. Janette On 19-Dec-09, at 8:10 AM, [email protected] wrote: > I'm confused. Who or what is"Pereira d'Agrela"? > Thanks, > David DeGrella > Tennessee, USA > On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:48:56 -0800 Janette Chun <[email protected]> > writes: >> Thanks Miguel. I find it quite interesting that the Gois & Mendonca >> names, although carried by the male line in later generations, seems >> to have its genesis in the female line with Beatriz, her mother, and >> now, thanks to you, her grandmother. >> Turns out that I had heard of Pereira d'Agrela after all. I was >> going >> through some old genealogy files yesterday, and lo and behold, >> thanks >> to Pat (on this forum) I have about 33 pages of this genealogical >> record sent to me circa 2002 : )) Thanks Pat! I will have to check >> my old laptop to see what other treasures I might have stowed away. >> Janette >> >> >> On 19-Dec-09, at 2:50 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: >> >>> Hello Janette, >>> You're welcome. I am glad I was of some help. Yesterday it was a > >>> field day >>> too because I also solved another old genealogical puzzle. Thanks >> to Pereira d'Agrela. >>> Anyway, the Mendonça could come precisely from the first Manuel >>> Travassos m. >>> Maria Mendonça. On that era sometimes a name of an ancestor >>> manifests 2 or >>> three generations later. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Miguel >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 6:15 AM, Janette Chun >> <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Miguel, >>>> >>>> Wow! Thank you for solving this piece of the puzzle for me. I'm >>>> sincerely grateful. >>>> I'm not on the nobility quest but good to know. I'm still at a >>>> little >>>> confused on how or where the first Mendonca occurs in this line, >>>> but >>>> hopefully, once I get the documents, more will be revealed. >>>> Janette > >>>> On 18-Dec-09, at 1:32 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > >>>>> Hello Janette, >>>>> In Pereira de Agrela Tomo 1-6 parte, pg 166 >>>>> 1 Manuel Travassos m. Maria de Mendonça, they had: >>>>> 2 - Manuel Travassos. o pequeninho. m. (1609) Isabel de Góis >>>>> ( dau. of >>>>> Domingos Martins de Magalhâes and Catarina Nunes), they had: >>>>> Baltazar >>>>> Manuel >>>>> Maria Nunes m. Baltazar de Mendonça Soares >>>>> Isabel de Castro m. Duarte Teixeira de Vasconcelos >>>>> Beatriz de Góis m. Luís de Castro Ferreira. son of Diogo de >> Castro >>>>> and Luzia >>>>> Fernandes >>>>> The Travassos were from the nobility. >>>>> I don't know where Clode got his idea , but in this particular > case >>>>> he was >>>>> not accurate. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Miguel >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Janette Chun >> <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Miguel. Yes I know of these all except Morgado Pereira > de Agrela. I haven't really looked at any of the Clode works, but >> it was >>>>>> in fact through his work that I was able to get to this >> particular >>>>>> ancestor, thanks to a page from his book, which the archive >> sent me >>>>>> on >>>>>> the Gois family. >>>>>> I just recently took out a subscription to geneall but so far >>>>>> haven't >>>>>> discovered any new nuggets of information. Will keep looking. > >>>>>> Janette >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 3-Dec-09, at 9:07 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Well,>>> You proibably know already all that are available, You > have >>>>>>> Felsiberto, HHN, >>>>>>> Clode, and FMPS Clode and Meneses and Morgado Pereira de >>>>>>> Agrela. >>>>>>> Geneall has >>>>>>> some info about Madeira genealogies. And the personal best >>>>>>> Madeiran >>>>>>> genealogies are to be found in some of our list colleagues >>>>>>> I'll try to find out the Travassos in Pereira de Agrela. Once I >>>>>>> looked for >>>>>>> them and it had valuable and original info about them. >>>>>>> At one point some a Travassos (from 15th century) whose alcunha > >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> " O Pequenininho) was the Carcereiro, the man in charge of >>>>>>> Porto > Santo prison. >>>>>>> A friend, a nobleman was quite schocked to see him in such a >>>>>>> station. Whatyou, from the noble Travassos, in such a terrible > job? >>>>>>> The Pequenininho had some flourished and philosophical. answer- > Idon't >>>>>>> recall the terms. But it was somnething like: " Alas my good > friend, >>>>>>> such is >>>>>>> life that, though God forbid, one day you may be in the same >>>>>>> position as myself." >>>>>>> To be called Pequenininho- - is because he was very very small > in stature, but not in dignity. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Miguel