im a cousin from Canico as well Jose! Leandro In a message dated 12/4/2009 2:52:39 P.M. W. Europe Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Cecce, You saw Miguel's comments on the Vianas. The witnesses, in my opinion, represented the top families in Caniço at the time. Some missing names like Rego were by now intermarried with these guys, particularly the Vianas. It seems the Ornellas were missing here. May be they were out of town. Now all of these people are also my ancestors. Caniço was isolated. It is close to Funchal, and it is true wanted to avoid Santa Cruz. I always found it very insular. Towards itself. People lived and stayed there forever. It had a strong family connection and it seemed more of a balanced social life than other parishes. Now this could all be childhood fantasies. Nevertheless given the small number of inhabitants, it led to very "close" families. That is why you and I and Miguel and Paulo and ....all are cousins! Cheers José -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cece Camara Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 11:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ordonhes e Cairos Jose said: It is somewhat funny that the name Saldanha was dropped. His grandson António Ferreira( my 7th), takes his mother's name. I know the Ferreiras, but it seems odd. Miguel said:I descend from Manuel Dias (Saldanha), his son. You from Diogo Dias (Saldanha), his other son. Both married in the same year 1651. Cece says: Looks like both Diogo and Manuels children decided that their mothers names were "better", because neither became Dias Saldanhas. Diogo Dias son is Antonio Ferreira and Manuel Dias son is Matias Andrade -so both took Moms name instead. Jose said: On Diogo Dias marriage the witnesses were Tomé de Burgos e Sousa, Manuel de Viana e Viana de Cairos. Must have been quite an event! Cece says-Tome de Burgos is my ancestor and Manuel de Viana (de Caires) is his son in law-married to his daughter Antonia. I don't see any familial relationship to Diogo Dias yet, though it may be there - do you? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Fernandes, Jose Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 11:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ordonhes e Cairos Miguel You keep up like this and I am going to have to get part of the family will! I have heard of the Duke but I don't know or remember where Praça de Saldanha in Lisbon is. However, may I accept your invitation, and God willing or "Oxalá que tenhamos boa saúde e tempo" and we shall meet for a celebration. On the Duke you are going to have to work that line for me. It is somewhat funny that the name Saldanha was dropped. His grandson António Ferreira( my 7th), takes his mother's name. I know the Ferreiras, but it seems odd. On Diogo Dias marriage the witnesses were Tomé de Burgos e Sousa, Manuel de Viana e Viana de Cairos. Must have been quite an event! José, waiting for that manzanillo ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message