Leandro, I am not sure which line we are talking about here, sorry I am a little spun around on this one, what do you need clarified. Lou -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 4:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] GROUP QUESTION (Miguel and Lou) Thank you Pat Lou...can u pls clarify this line for us please? Thank you Leandro In a message dated 12/5/2009 10:54:59 P.M. W. Europe Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Leandro, Not sure if this is the same "person." The only Pedro Afonso (Cavaleiro) I have is married to Leonor Homem, with the children that I mentioned in my posting attention Miguel and Lou. I don't have Pedro's parents, but Leonor's parents are Joao Homem (de Monte Gordo) and Catarina Vaz. Hopefully Miguel and/or Paulo will be able to add to this thread. Ines Martins is Lou's ancestor... I must admit I'm more confused now than when I first started my genealogy quest many, many "moons," ago. I'm finding that what was is not now...Frustrating to say the least. I'm trying to sort out Jorge Pinto and Leonor de Atouguia da Costa's line...my info differs from what's in Norhonha- titulo: Pintos... Nothing consent but the state of change...;-))). Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2009 1:08:24 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] GROUP QUESTION (Miguel and Lou) Pat, I have Pedro afonso and leonor de sousa having a daughter called INES AFONSO and not ines martins. also she is married to fernao anes and not to francisco duarte. Are we talking about the same person on here? or am i mistaken? Also, Lou, can you send me on my private email [email protected] the descendency list of manuel duarte and guiomar camacho please? Thank you Leandro -----Original Message----- From: Lou Abreu III <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, Dec 5, 2009 12:27 pm Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] GROUP QUESTION (Miguel and Lou) Pat, You are correct with the marriage record, however, his baptismal record (11 Dec 1586 b#376,fl 202) as recorded by Dr. Mello, list his full name as Francisco Rodrigues Duarte. His line from there is as follows Parents Manuel Duarte + Guiomar Camacha Ribeira Brava Nov 26 1584 Manuel's Parents Francisco Duarte + Maria Fernandes Ribeira Brava May 22 1560 Guiomar's Parents Francisco Rodrigues Camacho + Catarina Pestana Does this answer your questions? Regards, Lou -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] GROUP QUESTION (Miguel and Lou) Miguel, Isn't Pedro Afonso who is married to Leonor Homem one of your direct line ancestors? Their son Francisco Homem D'El-Rei is my direct line ancestors, and if my notes/memory serves me correctly Francisco's brother Fernao Ennes is your ancestor... If the above is correct will you please share the descending order from Fernao Ennes to you... Pat p.s. Lou do you have this marriage record that you referenced below? On the Madeira Archives listing for this marriage, the couples' names are Ines Martins and Francisco Rodrigues...where did you get the Duarte name from? >Francisco Goncalves Homem is not listed has having a parish, he is > mentioned in his daughter Ines martins marriage to Francisco Rodrigues Duarte on >16 Sept 1614, Ribeira Brava (book #389,Fl 153) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2009 6:43:30 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] GROUP QUESTION Lou, Sorry if I disturbed you. I'm in learn mode too, and will forever be. For us living in Portugal they are quite normal, I would say totally expected names from that time, place and circunstances. And most of them, if not all (Frutuoso may have disappeared) are still used today by many people. So Francisco Gonçalves Homem is from Ribeira Brava. He must be from the Homens known to have lived in that place. That's a start. I also have Homens from RB and they certainly are all from the same family. As we know there are four main sources for the name Homem . either Homem de Sousa, Homem de Gouveia, Homem d'El-Rei and simply Homem ( not so simple at all, because a simple Homem may have the name of one of the other three types). In any case the Homem (meaning Man, actually it's a toponymic taken from people living close to the river Homem) or Homens (plural) are a very ancient Portuguese family. Well, I hope I was of some help, Best regards, Miguel PS Who were Álvaro Rodirgues parents? And the witness of his marriage to Maria Lopes? Lopes being a patronymic,from Lopo, at one point Maria has a Lopo as ascendant. Feel free to ask any question you'd like to. On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 2:42 AM, Lou Abreu III <[email protected]> wrote: > Miguel > Forgive me, the names seem strange to me, I am still in learn mode and > have not seen these names on the list that often if at all. > > Francisco Goncalves Homem is not listed has having a parish, he is > mentioned > in his daughter Ines martins marriage to Francisco Rodrigues Duarte on 16 > Sept 1614, Ribeira Brava (book #389,Fl 153) > > Domingos Anes and Branca Afonco are mentioned in their daughter Maria Lopes > marriage to Alvaro Rodrigues 21 Feb 1569, Ponta do Sol (book #454, fl 81) > > Regards, > Lou > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Miguel de Castro > Henriques > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 6:35 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] GROUP QUESTION > > Hello Lu, > > Strange ones, how come? They all seem quite normal ones - I mean typical > names from these times. > > Francisco Gonçalves Homem is from what parish? > and Domingos Nunes m, Branca Afonso? She could be a Drummond. Any Drummond > or Escórcio witness in her marriage certificate, or his son or daughter ? > > Regards, > > Miguel > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Lou Abreu III <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > All, > > I have the following that appear to be dead ends so I am sending them > out > > to the group to see if anyone has these names, any help or hints are > > appreciated. > > > > Gaspar Dias + Ana Rodrigues dates not recorded, dwelling: Lugar de Baixo > > > > Antao Serradas + Maria Rodrigues dates not recorded > > > > Goncalo Dias + Margarida Rodrigues Ponta do Sol? Prior to 1568 > > > > Gregorio Sardinha + Isabel Fernandes dates not recorded > > > > Catarina Dias + Baltasar Fernandes Ponta do Sol? Prior to 1568 > > > > Frutuoso Enes + Cecilia Frenandes ca. 1570 > > > > Apolonia Dias + Pedro Goncalos Ponta do Sol May 12 1573 > > > > Joao Pires + Maria Fernandes Ponta do Sol Nov 29 1580 > > > > Domingos Anes + Branca Afonco > > > > Francisco Goncalves Homem + Isabel Pereira ca. 1590 > > > > As you can see I have some strange ones so anything is welcomed. > > > > Lou > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message