Problem begins with the name, Joâo Escórcio Drummond. He was not known by that name in his time, and is not known by that name in the nobiliaries. In his time he was known as João Escórcio or Escórcio. After his death - he revealed his real name on his deathbed (so the story goes) .His male issue took the name Drummond and the females Afonso, as it was the use and custom. After both males and females used either Escócio, Escórcio or Drummond ( and its many homologues: Doromondo, Doromundo, Aramanod, Dormund, etc.). He was also (later) known by João Escoto ( from Scotus - Latin for Scottish). In Portugal Latin was used in documents. He married two times. Branca Afonso was Branca Afonso da Cunha. She was the sister of a vigário - that is a fact. No one knows who these Cunhas were. Catarina Vaz I've seem her reported just as Catarina Vaz, and Vaz de Lordelo. I'd rather choose Catarina Vaz, tout court. In these times peole had just one name and surname. Even people very important like Diogo Afonso de Aguiar, who was a FCR (Fidalgo da Casa Real) and a Knight, was known just as Diogo Afonso, without the "de Aguiar." His name appears like that - Diogo Afonso, several times in the Tombo da Câmara (one of the most important books from Madeira). Well, when I'll have more time I'll come to this subject one more time. Because I discovered some stuff linking the Cairos, of the line Cairos de Orta, to the Escórcios. Cheers, Miguel On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Cece Camara <[email protected]> wrote: > I just found a discrepancy on Leandro's site and am wondering which info > may > be correct...if it is known. > > I have Joao Escorcio Drummond married twice- once to Branca Afonso (no > parents listed for her) with 9 children - one of them being Joana Escorcio > who married Andre Pires. Joao married again with Catarina Vaz (no parents > for her)...I show they had 1 daughter, Catarina Escorcio who married Pedro > Teixiera. > > Leandro shows Joaos 2nd wife, Catarina Vaz, to be Catarina Vaz de Lordelo - > and he shows 1 child for them names Ana Escorcio who is married to Andre > Pires (this is obviously the person I refer to as Joana above). > > Leandro also shows the daughter Catarina Escorcio (the one I show above as > the daughter of Catarina), who is married to Pedro Teixeira - to be the > daughter of Branca. > > So the questions are - > > is Joao Escorcio Drummonds daughter (the one who married Andre Pires) > named > Joana or Ana and is her mother Catarina or Branca? > > And is Joao Escorcio Drummonds daughter, Catarina Escorcio (who married > Pedro Teixeira) the daughter of Catarina or Branca? > > whewww...good luck to anyone who wishes to tackle this tangled web ;-) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Escórcio or Escócio On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques < [email protected]> wrote: > Problem begins with the name, Joâo Escórcio Drummond. He was not known by > that name in his time, and is not known by that name in the nobiliaries. > In his time he was known as João Escórcio or Escórcio. After his death - he > revealed his real name on his deathbed (so the story goes) .His male issue > took the name Drummond and the females Afonso, as it was the use and custom. > After both males and females used either Escócio, Escórcio or Drummond ( and > its many homologues: Doromondo, Doromundo, Aramanod, Dormund, etc.). > > He was also (later) known by João Escoto ( from Scotus - Latin for > Scottish). In Portugal Latin was used in documents. > > > He married two times. Branca Afonso was Branca Afonso da Cunha. She was the > sister of a vigário - that is a fact. No one knows who these Cunhas were. > > Catarina Vaz I've seem her reported just as Catarina Vaz, and Vaz de > Lordelo. I'd rather choose Catarina Vaz, tout court. In these times peole > had just one name and surname. Even people very important like Diogo Afonso > de Aguiar, who was a FCR (Fidalgo da Casa Real) and a Knight, was known just > as Diogo Afonso, without the "de Aguiar." His name appears like that - Diogo > Afonso, several times in the Tombo da Câmara (one of the most important > books from Madeira). > > > Well, when I'll have more time I'll come to this subject one more time. > Because I discovered some stuff linking the Cairos, of the line Cairos de > Orta, to the Escórcios. > > > Cheers, > > Miguel > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Cece Camara <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I just found a discrepancy on Leandro's site and am wondering which info >> may >> be correct...if it is known. >> >> I have Joao Escorcio Drummond married twice- once to Branca Afonso (no >> parents listed for her) with 9 children - one of them being Joana Escorcio >> who married Andre Pires. Joao married again with Catarina Vaz (no parents >> for her)...I show they had 1 daughter, Catarina Escorcio who married Pedro >> Teixiera. >> >> Leandro shows Joaos 2nd wife, Catarina Vaz, to be Catarina Vaz de Lordelo >> - >> and he shows 1 child for them names Ana Escorcio who is married to Andre >> Pires (this is obviously the person I refer to as Joana above). >> >> Leandro also shows the daughter Catarina Escorcio (the one I show above as >> the daughter of Catarina), who is married to Pedro Teixeira - to be the >> daughter of Branca. >> >> So the questions are - >> >> is Joao Escorcio Drummonds daughter (the one who married Andre Pires) >> named >> Joana or Ana and is her mother Catarina or Branca? >> >> And is Joao Escorcio Drummonds daughter, Catarina Escorcio (who married >> Pedro Teixeira) the daughter of Catarina or Branca? >> >> whewww...good luck to anyone who wishes to tackle this tangled web ;-) >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >