Pat, That's it. Thanks. No mention of Catarina Anes Afonso. Just of Catarina Anes (not Nunes, as it appears below per mistake). Miguel On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Pat Corbera <[email protected]>wrote: > Cece and Miguel, > > Here's what's in HHH Pat > > > Per HHH Titulo - Acciaioli > "Nº 1 - Simão Acciaioli, Florentino de nação e primeiro que passou > a esta Ilha, como d´os documentos referidos e d´outros muitosconsta, > era filho(1) de Zenobio Accioioli, o Moço, e de sua mulher Catharina > Delphina, aquele a quem o Imperador Carlos 5º comcedeu os privile- > gios que vimos n´o documento referido; viveu n´esta Ilha para onde > veio pel-os annos 1515, segundo se deixa ver d´a certidão que trouxe, já > allegada; fez assento n´esta Cidade, onde fabricou casas nobres n´a > rua, que d´elle conserva o nome instituio um morgado com uma Capella > dedicada á Natividade d´a Senhora, ná sua Quinta, que se sagrou n´o > anno de .... foi fundador outrosi d´o capitulo velho d´o Convento > de São Francisco d´esta Cidade, de Nossa Senhora d´a Piedade, para seu > enterro; n´elle jaz com sua mulher, defronte d´o altar, em cuja campa se > lê um e outro nome; e n´as ilhargas d´a dicta sepultura as de seus filhos > morreu em 15 de fevereiro de 1544 annos. > > Casou com Catharina Pimentel, filha de Pedro Rodrigues Pimentel(2) > fidalgo n´os Livros d´El Rei, d´os Pimenteis de Torres Novas de Por- > tugal, e de sua mulher Izabel Ferreira Drummond, que era filha de > Gaspar Gonçalves Ferreira e de Catharina Nunes, em titulo de Ferreiras > d´a Costa Grande, § 2, Nº 2, fol.: ....., a qual falleceu em 12 de Ou- > tubro de 1541 annos. > (2) Na mesma margem externa está o seguinte teór : (2) Este Pedro > Rodrigues > Pimentel passou á Ilha d´a Madeira pelos annos 1460, sendo filho de Rodrigo > Pimen-tel que viveu em Tores Novaes, e de sua mulher D. Catharina de Brito, > como vi p’ uma Justificação tirada em 1547." > > > > > > > Pat > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cece Camara" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 5:33:37 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Camacho > > I'm getting nervous that I may have messed something up here and haven't > had > a chance to pull all the sources yet...but this is what I have in my tree: > > The Catherina Anes Afonso that is married to Pedro Gonçalves Camacho is the > daughter of Catherine Annes Drummond and Gaspar Goncalves Ferreira (and > thus > grandaughter of Joao Escocio). > > Make any better sense now? Or do I neeed to go and find my mistake??? > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Scot Austin > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 2:51 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Camacho > > Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > > Cece, > > > > Can you find a reference about Pedro Gonçalves Camacho and Catarina > > Anes in the Acciolis title of HHN? > > > > There is in fact a Catarina Anes dau. of João Escócio, but it's > > another, an homonimous of the one geneall refers as wife of Pedro > Gonçalves Camacho. > > > I show her married to Gaspar Goncalves Ferreira > > Scot > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Cece Camara <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > >> Miguel, > >> Re your note below about : > >> "The link to the Drummonds that geneall presents about Catarina Anes > >> Afonso <http://www.geneall.net/P/per_page.php?id=41573> > >> - * c. 1460 Pedro Gonçalves Camacho connection through Catarina to > >> the Drummonds is not real.It is one of geneall flops. She was not a > >> Drummond. > >> FAD indeed has one line, at least, to John Drummond. It's through the > >> Pimentel, I think." > >> > >> I also have Catarina named as a Drummond as well as her daughter > >> Isabel - and neither from Geneall. > >> My sources are HHN- Acciolis and also Felisberto X 3 (from Ferreiras > >> Drummond & Lordello geneologies). > >> So do you think that all of these are wrong as well? If so, what do > >> you have to disprove this? > >> Cece > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] > >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Miguel de > >> Castro Henriques > >> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 4:14 AM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Camacho > >> > >> Pat, > >> > >> Thanks. I've come across that Manuel Fernandes Camacho and Inês de > >> Andrade in geneall, but chronologically they don't fit with the ones > >> I'm looking for. Though they had a g.dau. Maria de Andrade who > >> married in 1650 Gaspar de Moura de Mendonça. > >> My Maria de Andrade, was also married in 1650. I don't see a woman, > >> becoming a widow in one year and marrying in the same year. She would > >> be ostracized for the rest of her days. She had to let at the very > >> least let one year go by. > >> > >> There are many Fernandes Camacho and Andrades, indeed. > >> > >> Anyway my Manuel Fernandes Camacho and Maria de Andrade, S. GONÇALO > >> 1651, parents of António de Andrade Barreto, descend from some > >> Barreto. And there were some Fraguedos Barretos and Barretos Thoym (or > Tuim) around in S. > >> Gonçalo by that time. It can be another branch of Barretos. As you > >> know very well there are 4 at least!, possible trunks for the > >> Barretos. > >> > >> . > >> > >> The link to the Drummonds that geneall presents about > >> > >> > >> Catarina Anes Afonso <http://www.geneall.net/P/per_page.php?id=41573> > >> > >> - * c. 1460 Pedro Gonçalves Camacho > >> > >> connection through Catarina to the Drummonds is not real.It is one of > >> geneall flops. She was not a Drummond. > >> > >> FAD indeed has one line, at least, to John Drummond. It's through the > >> Pimentel, I think. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> > >> > >> Miguel > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Pat Corbera > >> <[email protected]>wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Miguel, > >>> > >>> I have a Manuel Fernandes Camacho b. abt 1500 m. Maria Pereira > >>> parents of Manuel Fernandes Camacho b. abt 1530 m. Ines de Andrade. > >>> > >>> Not sure if this is the individuals that you're looking for... > >>> Source for the above - Sapo/GeneAll. > >>> > >>> Manuel Fernandes Camacho descends from John Drummond Escorcio, (via > >>> John's daughter Cararina or Clara Anes Drummond...My notes indicate > >>> that this daughter is FAD's ancestor). > >>> > >>> John DRUMMOND Escorcio is the 2rd great grandfather of Manuel > >>> Fernandes CAMACHO, the father.). > >>> > >>> Pat > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" > >>> <[email protected]> > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 3:48:33 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada > >>> Pacific > >>> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Camacho > >>> > >>> > >>>> Does anyone has any info about this couple: > >>>> > >>> Manuel Fernandes (Camacho) m. Maria de Andrade . 1650. S. Gonçalo.? > >>> > >>> Thanks in advance for any news. > >>> > >>> Miguel > >>> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Miguel, You're welcome... Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 7:58:20 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Camacho Pat, That's it. Thanks. No mention of Catarina Anes Afonso. Just of Catarina Anes (not Nunes, as it appears below per mistake). Miguel On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Pat Corbera <[email protected]>wrote: > Cece and Miguel, > > Here's what's in HHH Pat > > > Per HHH Titulo - Acciaioli > "Nº 1 - Simão Acciaioli, Florentino de nação e primeiro que passou > a esta Ilha, como d´os documentos referidos e d´outros muitosconsta, > era filho(1) de Zenobio Accioioli, o Moço, e de sua mulher Catharina > Delphina, aquele a quem o Imperador Carlos 5º comcedeu os privile- > gios que vimos n´o documento referido; viveu n´esta Ilha para onde > veio pel-os annos 1515, segundo se deixa ver d´a certidão que trouxe, já > allegada; fez assento n´esta Cidade, onde fabricou casas nobres n´a > rua, que d´elle conserva o nome instituio um morgado com uma Capella > dedicada á Natividade d´a Senhora, ná sua Quinta, que se sagrou n´o > anno de .... foi fundador outrosi d´o capitulo velho d´o Convento > de São Francisco d´esta Cidade, de Nossa Senhora d´a Piedade, para seu > enterro; n´elle jaz com sua mulher, defronte d´o altar, em cuja campa se > lê um e outro nome; e n´as ilhargas d´a dicta sepultura as de seus filhos > morreu em 15 de fevereiro de 1544 annos. > > Casou com Catharina Pimentel, filha de Pedro Rodrigues Pimentel(2) > fidalgo n´os Livros d´El Rei, d´os Pimenteis de Torres Novas de Por- > tugal, e de sua mulher Izabel Ferreira Drummond, que era filha de > Gaspar Gonçalves Ferreira e de Catharina Nunes, em titulo de Ferreiras > d´a Costa Grande, § 2, Nº 2, fol.: ....., a qual falleceu em 12 de Ou- > tubro de 1541 annos. > (2) Na mesma margem externa está o seguinte teór : (2) Este Pedro > Rodrigues > Pimentel passou á Ilha d´a Madeira pelos annos 1460, sendo filho de Rodrigo > Pimen-tel que viveu em Tores Novaes, e de sua mulher D. Catharina de Brito, > como vi p’ uma Justificação tirada em 1547." > > > > > > > Pat > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cece Camara" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 5:33:37 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Camacho > > I'm getting nervous that I may have messed something up here and haven't > had > a chance to pull all the sources yet...but this is what I have in my tree: > > The Catherina Anes Afonso that is married to Pedro Gonçalves Camacho is the > daughter of Catherine Annes Drummond and Gaspar Goncalves Ferreira (and > thus > grandaughter of Joao Escocio). > > Make any better sense now? Or do I neeed to go and find my mistake??? > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Scot Austin > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 2:51 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Camacho > > Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > > Cece, > > > > Can you find a reference about Pedro Gonçalves Camacho and Catarina > > Anes in the Acciolis title of HHN? > > > > There is in fact a Catarina Anes dau. of João Escócio, but it's > > another, an homonimous of the one geneall refers as wife of Pedro > Gonçalves Camacho. > > > I show her married to Gaspar Goncalves Ferreira > > Scot > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Cece Camara <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > >> Miguel, > >> Re your note below about : > >> "The link to the Drummonds that geneall presents about Catarina Anes > >> Afonso <http://www.geneall.net/P/per_page.php?id=41573> > >> - * c. 1460 Pedro Gonçalves Camacho connection through Catarina to > >> the Drummonds is not real.It is one of geneall flops. She was not a > >> Drummond. > >> FAD indeed has one line, at least, to John Drummond. It's through the > >> Pimentel, I think." > >> > >> I also have Catarina named as a Drummond as well as her daughter > >> Isabel - and neither from Geneall. > >> My sources are HHN- Acciolis and also Felisberto X 3 (from Ferreiras > >> Drummond & Lordello geneologies). > >> So do you think that all of these are wrong as well? If so, what do > >> you have to disprove this? > >> Cece > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] > >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Miguel de > >> Castro Henriques > >> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 4:14 AM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Camacho > >> > >> Pat, > >> > >> Thanks. I've come across that Manuel Fernandes Camacho and Inês de > >> Andrade in geneall, but chronologically they don't fit with the ones > >> I'm looking for. Though they had a g.dau. Maria de Andrade who > >> married in 1650 Gaspar de Moura de Mendonça. > >> My Maria de Andrade, was also married in 1650. I don't see a woman, > >> becoming a widow in one year and marrying in the same year. She would > >> be ostracized for the rest of her days. She had to let at the very > >> least let one year go by. > >> > >> There are many Fernandes Camacho and Andrades, indeed. > >> > >> Anyway my Manuel Fernandes Camacho and Maria de Andrade, S. GONÇALO > >> 1651, parents of António de Andrade Barreto, descend from some > >> Barreto. And there were some Fraguedos Barretos and Barretos Thoym (or > Tuim) around in S. > >> Gonçalo by that time. It can be another branch of Barretos. As you > >> know very well there are 4 at least!, possible trunks for the > >> Barretos. > >> > >> . > >> > >> The link to the Drummonds that geneall presents about > >> > >> > >> Catarina Anes Afonso <http://www.geneall.net/P/per_page.php?id=41573> > >> > >> - * c. 1460 Pedro Gonçalves Camacho > >> > >> connection through Catarina to the Drummonds is not real.It is one of > >> geneall flops. She was not a Drummond. > >> > >> FAD indeed has one line, at least, to John Drummond. It's through the > >> Pimentel, I think. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> > >> > >> Miguel > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Pat Corbera > >> <[email protected]>wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Miguel, > >>> > >>> I have a Manuel Fernandes Camacho b. abt 1500 m. Maria Pereira > >>> parents of Manuel Fernandes Camacho b. abt 1530 m. Ines de Andrade. > >>> > >>> Not sure if this is the individuals that you're looking for... > >>> Source for the above - Sapo/GeneAll. > >>> > >>> Manuel Fernandes Camacho descends from John Drummond Escorcio, (via > >>> John's daughter Cararina or Clara Anes Drummond...My notes indicate > >>> that this daughter is FAD's ancestor). > >>> > >>> John DRUMMOND Escorcio is the 2rd great grandfather of Manuel > >>> Fernandes CAMACHO, the father.). > >>> > >>> Pat > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" > >>> <[email protected]> > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 3:48:33 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada > >>> Pacific > >>> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Camacho > >>> > >>> > >>>> Does anyone has any info about this couple: > >>>> > >>> Manuel Fernandes (Camacho) m. Maria de Andrade . 1650. S. Gonçalo.? > >>> > >>> Thanks in advance for any news. > >>> > >>> Miguel > >>> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message