Janette , how come Isabe de Góis married to Manuel Travassos connects with these Góis de Mendonça? In the title TRAVASSOS, pg 317, we see that 1. Manuel Rodrigues Travassos, married around 1620 Maria de Mendonça. They had 6 sons: 1.1. First born Manuel Travassos married 1649 Isabel de Góis, dau. of Domingos Martins and Catarina Nunes. On other hand the Góis de Mendonça only appear after the marriage of Atanásop Mendes gavião, in 1700, with Mariana de Góis, dau, of Luis de Castro Ferreira and Beatriz de Góis. Sp they are other people, your Isabel de Góis have probably nothing to do with the said Góis de Mendonça. Clode also adds that these Travassos proliferated "abundantly" and had good connections (boas ligações: meaning they married with good families) from Porto Santo e Machico. If these particular Góis de Mendonça from Porto Santo did not belong to the nobility is because they were perhaps descendants of slaves. The slaves were given the names and surnames of their owners. Otherwise anyone with these particular names had to be almost per force descendant of the nobility. Of course there are exceptions....And Clode has to stress, for some reason, that they did not belong to the nobility, because these names are speaking evidence that otherwise, without question, they belonged or were descended from the nobility. regards, Miguel On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Janette Chun <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Miguel, > > According to Clode (and sorry I don't have the title of the book, just > a photo copy of page 149 with the title Gois) his descendants were not > of nobility. > > Here's what I have: > > Gois > > Os deste apelido procedem de Brites de Gois, filha de Joao do Rego e > de Beatriz de Gois e mulher de Lancarote Teixeira, filho do segundo > donatario de Machico. Deste casamento houve 13 filhos. > O Dr. Alvaro de Azevedo nas sua notas as <Saudades da Terra>, tambem > diz que este apelido originariamente deriva de D. Anciao da Estrada, > Asturiano, que foi senhor de Gois. > > No Porto Santo ha uma famiia Gois de Mendonca cujo tronco era Manuel > Rocha, casado com Maria Coelho; um filho deste, Atanasio Mendes > Gaviao, casou em 1700 com Mariana de Gois, filha de Luiz de Castro > Ferreira e de Brites de Gois e daqui aquele nome. Nao pertenceram a > nobreza. > > This may explain why you couldn't find the link. I had reached the > said couple Manuel Rocha and Maria Coelho. and could go no further and > was puzzled that for several generations everyone leading up to the > Atanasio had been de Gois de Mendonca (or some variant) and all of a > sudden the names all changed. So Atanasio's son, Antoniol (and my > direct ancestor) chose his mother and maternal grandmother's last > name. His mother is listed in all the certificates as Mariana de Gois > but his grandmother is Beatriz de Gois de Mendoza -which is the first > time I've see this spelling in any of my certificates. Now I will > wait and see where the documents for Beatriz's parents take me.... > > I also wonder where Clode got his information from. I have not been > able to find a marriage certificate for Atanasio and Mariana, yet he > states that they were married in 1700. > > Thank you again for all your help. > > Janette > > On 3-Dec-09, at 4:28 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > > > Hello Janette, > > > > Ok. I just saw the Travassos, in Clode, FPMPS pg 317. Isabel de > > Góis must > > be Góis by his mother, Catarina Nunes. My guess. And as the > > Teixeiras .from > > Lançarote teixeira, carried the name Góis, she must be Góis and > > Teixeira. > > > > (The Teixeiras are another Casta Grande. I bet 90 % of madeirans > > nowadys > > have Teixeira's blood)- > > > > It shows as I had predicted (no big deal, Madeira is small, and at > > one point > > you know intuitively who is who) a Mendonça, the mother of Manuel > > Travassos, the wife of Manuel Rodrigues Travassos. > > > > On other hand ( where my predictions fail) I thought he would link > > with the > > Travassos Magalhães. But Clode does not confirm that. Still... > > > > Anyway it's a good find for you. Looking forward for more > > developments. > > Because it's a promising line. But...let's see, > > > > Best regards, > > > > Miguel > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Janette Chun <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> Thanks Miguel. Yes I know of these all except Morgado Pereira de > >> Agrela. I haven't really looked at any of the Clode works, but it > >> was > >> in fact through his work that I was able to get to this particular > >> ancestor, thanks to a page from his book, which the archive sent me > >> on > >> the Gois family. > >> > >> I just recently took out a subscription to geneall but so far haven't > >> discovered any new nuggets of information. Will keep looking. > >> > >> Janette > >> > >> > >> > >> On 3-Dec-09, at 9:07 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > >> > >>> Well, > >>> > >>> > >>> You proibably know already all that are available, You have > >>> Felsiberto, HHN, > >>> Clode, and FMPS Clode and Meneses and Morgado Pereira de Agrela. > >>> Geneall has > >>> some info about Madeira genealogies. And the personal best Madeiran > >>> genealogies are to be found in some of our list colleagues > >>> > >>> > >>> I'll try to find out the Travassos in Pereira de Agrela. Once I > >>> looked for > >>> them and it had valuable and original info about them. > >>> > >>> At one point some a Travassos (from 15th century) whose alcunha was > >>> " O > >>> Pequenininho) was the Carcereiro, the man in charge of Porto Santo > >>> prison. > >>> A friend, a nobleman was quite schocked to see him in such a > >>> station. What > >>> you, from the noble Travassos, in such a terrible job? > >>> The Pequenininho had some flourished and philosophical. answer- I > >>> don't > >>> recall the terms. But it was somnething like: " Alas my good friend, > >>> such is > >>> life that, though God forbid, one day you may be in the same > >>> position as > >>> myself." > >>> > >>> To be called Pequenininho- - is because he was very very small in > >>> stature, > >>> but not in dignity. > >>> > >>> Miguel > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Janette Chun <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Thanks Miguel. I have a some information on the Calacas and > >>>> Ornellas. > >>>> Any pointers on other resources for informaton on the Texeiras, > >>>> Castros, etc. ? > >>>> > >>>> Janette > >>>> On 3-Dec-09, at 7:49 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Bingo! I was sure he was from Porto Santo. He probably connects > >>>>> with > >>>>> the > >>>>> first Travassos from Porto Santo. > >>>>> > >>>>> And so with the Teixeiras, Calaças, Castros, Mendonças. > >>>>> Vasconcelos > >>>>> and > >>>>> Ornelas. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> regards, > >>>>> Miguel > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Janette Chun <[email protected]> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hi Miguel, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 1600s - the marriage date is 1649 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Manuel Travassos Isabel de Góis Porto Santo 1649 > >>>>>> 991 > >>>>>> 26 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks. > >>>>>> Janette > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 3-Dec-09, at 4:47 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hello Janette, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> From which year is he? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The name is not very common. It is very ancient. It is a > >>>>>>> toponymic. > >>>>>>> And the > >>>>>>> Travassos from the XVI th century were considered as nobility. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> regards, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Miguel > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Janette Chun <[email protected] > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> With the invaluable help of Luis Beal, I now have an ancestor > >>>>>>>> named > >>>>>>>> Manuel Travassos. I've never come across this last name > >>>>>>>> before - > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> a quick internet search revealed that there are quite a few. > >>>>>>>> Does > >>>>>>>> anyone know the origins of this name? Is it common in Madeira? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Janette > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 2-Dec-09, at 9:40 PM, Janette Chun wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Thanks Luis! No not gothic yet....LOL > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I will email the pdf files to the address you provided. > >>>>>>>>> Thanks > >>>>>>>>> again. > >>>>>>>>> Janette > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 2-Dec-09, at 10:14 AM, Luis Beal wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> That was me. Just e-mail an attachment to [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>> 1600's I hope it isn't gothic cause that I can't read :) > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Luis Beal > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain > >>>>>>>>>> perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life > >>>>>>>>>> unless > >>>>>>>>>> it is woven into the life of our ancestors." > >>>>>>>>>> Cicero, Roman orator > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>> From: Janette Chun <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>>> To: PRT-MADEIRA <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wed, December 2, 2009 9:27:18 AM > >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Help reading certificates > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Hello all, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I've enjoyed the exchange of emails over the last few weeks. > >>>>>>>>>> Great to > >>>>>>>>>> see the forum active again. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I recall reading an offer to help read some certificates but > >>>>>>>>>> can't > >>>>>>>>>> remember who : ( - old age! I recently received two > >>>>>>>>>> certificates > >>>>>>>>>> from the 1600s which are a little difficult to decipher - I > >>>>>>>>>> think > >>>>>>>>>> I've > >>>>>>>>>> sort of figured it out, but would welcome a second opinion as > >>>>>>>>>> I'm > >>>>>>>>>> not > >>>>>>>>>> familiar with some of the abbreviations. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks! > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Janette Chun > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > >>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>> the body of the message > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > >>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>> the body of the message > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>>>>>>> without the > >>>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>>> the body of the message > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>>>>> without the > >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>> [email protected] > >>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > >>>>> the body of the message > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>>> without the > >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] > >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > >>> the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The marriage certificate of Beatriz de Gois (de Mendoza) and Luis de Castro Ferreira (parents of Mariana de Gois who married Atanasio Gaviao Mendes) lists Beatriz parents as: Manuel Travassos and Isabel de Gois, but clearly states Beatriz name with the 'de Mendoza'. I will see if I can order the documents for Manuel and Isabel and see what they hopefully will reveal. Both Luis Beal and I looked at the certificate and Manuel Travassos is what we deciphered, but if you could take a look at the certificate - you might be able to shed a different light or confirm. Is there an email I can forward a pdf to? Thanks, Janette On 4-Dec-09, at 7:02 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > Janette , > > how come Isabe de Góis married to Manuel Travassos connects with > these Góis > de Mendonça? > > In the title TRAVASSOS, pg 317, we see that > > 1. Manuel Rodrigues Travassos, married around 1620 Maria de > Mendonça. They > had 6 sons: > 1.1. First born Manuel Travassos married 1649 Isabel de Góis, dau. of > Domingos Martins and Catarina Nunes. > > On other hand the Góis de Mendonça only appear after the marriage of > Atanásop Mendes gavião, in 1700, with Mariana de Góis, dau, of Luis de > Castro Ferreira and Beatriz de Góis. > > > Sp they are other people, your Isabel de Góis have probably nothing > to do > with the said Góis de Mendonça. > > > Clode also adds that these Travassos proliferated "abundantly" and > had good > connections (boas ligações: meaning they married with good families) > from > Porto Santo e Machico. > > > If these particular Góis de Mendonça from Porto Santo did not > belong to the > nobility is because they were perhaps descendants of slaves. The > slaves were > given the names and surnames of their owners. Otherwise anyone with > these > particular names had to be almost per force descendant of the > nobility. Of > course there are exceptions....And Clode has to stress, for some > reason, > that they did not belong to the nobility, because these names are > speaking > evidence that otherwise, without question, they belonged or were > descended > from the nobility. > > regards, > > Miguel > > > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Janette Chun <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi Miguel, >> >> According to Clode (and sorry I don't have the title of the book, >> just >> a photo copy of page 149 with the title Gois) his descendants were >> not >> of nobility. >> >> Here's what I have: >> >> Gois >> >> Os deste apelido procedem de Brites de Gois, filha de Joao do Rego e >> de Beatriz de Gois e mulher de Lancarote Teixeira, filho do segundo >> donatario de Machico. Deste casamento houve 13 filhos. >> O Dr. Alvaro de Azevedo nas sua notas as <Saudades da Terra>, tambem >> diz que este apelido originariamente deriva de D. Anciao da Estrada, >> Asturiano, que foi senhor de Gois. >> >> No Porto Santo ha uma famiia Gois de Mendonca cujo tronco era Manuel >> Rocha, casado com Maria Coelho; um filho deste, Atanasio Mendes >> Gaviao, casou em 1700 com Mariana de Gois, filha de Luiz de Castro >> Ferreira e de Brites de Gois e daqui aquele nome. Nao pertenceram a >> nobreza. >> >> This may explain why you couldn't find the link. I had reached the >> said couple Manuel Rocha and Maria Coelho. and could go no further >> and >> was puzzled that for several generations everyone leading up to the >> Atanasio had been de Gois de Mendonca (or some variant) and all of a >> sudden the names all changed. So Atanasio's son, Antoniol (and my >> direct ancestor) chose his mother and maternal grandmother's last >> name. His mother is listed in all the certificates as Mariana de >> Gois >> but his grandmother is Beatriz de Gois de Mendoza -which is the first >> time I've see this spelling in any of my certificates. Now I will >> wait and see where the documents for Beatriz's parents take me.... >> >> I also wonder where Clode got his information from. I have not been >> able to find a marriage certificate for Atanasio and Mariana, yet he >> states that they were married in 1700. >> >> Thank you again for all your help. >> >> Janette >> >> On 3-Dec-09, at 4:28 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: >> >>> Hello Janette, >>> >>> Ok. I just saw the Travassos, in Clode, FPMPS pg 317. Isabel de >>> Góis must >>> be Góis by his mother, Catarina Nunes. My guess. And as the >>> Teixeiras .from >>> Lançarote teixeira, carried the name Góis, she must be Góis and >>> Teixeira. >>> >>> (The Teixeiras are another Casta Grande. I bet 90 % of madeirans >>> nowadys >>> have Teixeira's blood)- >>> >>> It shows as I had predicted (no big deal, Madeira is small, and at >>> one point >>> you know intuitively who is who) a Mendonça, the mother of Manuel >>> Travassos, the wife of Manuel Rodrigues Travassos. >>> >>> On other hand ( where my predictions fail) I thought he would link >>> with the >>> Travassos Magalhães. But Clode does not confirm that. Still... >>> >>> Anyway it's a good find for you. Looking forward for more >>> developments. >>> Because it's a promising line. But...let's see, >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Miguel >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Janette Chun <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Miguel. Yes I know of these all except Morgado Pereira de >>>> Agrela. I haven't really looked at any of the Clode works, but it >>>> was >>>> in fact through his work that I was able to get to this particular >>>> ancestor, thanks to a page from his book, which the archive sent me >>>> on >>>> the Gois family. >>>> >>>> I just recently took out a subscription to geneall but so far >>>> haven't >>>> discovered any new nuggets of information. Will keep looking. >>>> >>>> Janette >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 3-Dec-09, at 9:07 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You proibably know already all that are available, You have >>>>> Felsiberto, HHN, >>>>> Clode, and FMPS Clode and Meneses and Morgado Pereira de Agrela. >>>>> Geneall has >>>>> some info about Madeira genealogies. And the personal best >>>>> Madeiran >>>>> genealogies are to be found in some of our list colleagues >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'll try to find out the Travassos in Pereira de Agrela. Once I >>>>> looked for >>>>> them and it had valuable and original info about them. >>>>> >>>>> At one point some a Travassos (from 15th century) whose alcunha >>>>> was >>>>> " O >>>>> Pequenininho) was the Carcereiro, the man in charge of Porto >>>>> Santo >>>>> prison. >>>>> A friend, a nobleman was quite schocked to see him in such a >>>>> station. What >>>>> you, from the noble Travassos, in such a terrible job? >>>>> The Pequenininho had some flourished and philosophical. answer- I >>>>> don't >>>>> recall the terms. But it was somnething like: " Alas my good >>>>> friend, >>>>> such is >>>>> life that, though God forbid, one day you may be in the same >>>>> position as >>>>> myself." >>>>> >>>>> To be called Pequenininho- - is because he was very very small in >>>>> stature, >>>>> but not in dignity. >>>>> >>>>> Miguel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Janette Chun <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Miguel. I have a some information on the Calacas and >>>>>> Ornellas. >>>>>> Any pointers on other resources for informaton on the Texeiras, >>>>>> Castros, etc. ? >>>>>> >>>>>> Janette >>>>>> On 3-Dec-09, at 7:49 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Bingo! I was sure he was from Porto Santo. He probably connects >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> first Travassos from Porto Santo. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And so with the Teixeiras, Calaças, Castros, Mendonças. >>>>>>> Vasconcelos >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> Ornelas. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>> Miguel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Janette Chun <[email protected] >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Miguel, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1600s - the marriage date is 1649 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Manuel Travassos Isabel de Góis Porto Santo 1649 >>>>>>>> 991 >>>>>>>> 26 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>> Janette >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 3-Dec-09, at 4:47 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello Janette, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From which year is he? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The name is not very common. It is very ancient. It is a >>>>>>>>> toponymic. >>>>>>>>> And the >>>>>>>>> Travassos from the XVI th century were considered as nobility. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Miguel >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Janette Chun <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> With the invaluable help of Luis Beal, I now have an ancestor >>>>>>>>>> named >>>>>>>>>> Manuel Travassos. I've never come across this last name >>>>>>>>>> before - >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> a quick internet search revealed that there are quite a few. >>>>>>>>>> Does >>>>>>>>>> anyone know the origins of this name? Is it common in >>>>>>>>>> Madeira? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Janette >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2-Dec-09, at 9:40 PM, Janette Chun wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Luis! No not gothic yet....LOL >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I will email the pdf files to the address you provided. >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>> again. >>>>>>>>>>> Janette >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2-Dec-09, at 10:14 AM, Luis Beal wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> That was me. Just e-mail an attachment to [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>> 1600's I hope it isn't gothic cause that I can't read :) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Luis Beal >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain >>>>>>>>>>>> perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life >>>>>>>>>>>> unless >>>>>>>>>>>> it is woven into the life of our ancestors." >>>>>>>>>>>> Cicero, Roman orator >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Janette Chun <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: PRT-MADEIRA <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wed, December 2, 2009 9:27:18 AM >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Help reading certificates >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've enjoyed the exchange of emails over the last few >>>>>>>>>>>> weeks. >>>>>>>>>>>> Great to >>>>>>>>>>>> see the forum active again. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I recall reading an offer to help read some certificates >>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>>>> remember who : ( - old age! I recently received two >>>>>>>>>>>> certificates >>>>>>>>>>>> from the 1600s which are a little difficult to decipher - I >>>>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>>>> I've >>>>>>>>>>>> sort of figured it out, but would welcome a second >>>>>>>>>>>> opinion as >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>> familiar with some of the abbreviations. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Janette Chun >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >>>>>>>>>>>> subject >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> the body of the message >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >>>>>>>>>>>> subject >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> the body of the message >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>>>>>> without the >>>>>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> the body of the message >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>>>> without the >>>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>> without the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] >>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>>> the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message