Thanks Miguel. Yes I know of these all except Morgado Pereira de Agrela. I haven't really looked at any of the Clode works, but it was in fact through his work that I was able to get to this particular ancestor, thanks to a page from his book, which the archive sent me on the Gois family. I just recently took out a subscription to geneall but so far haven't discovered any new nuggets of information. Will keep looking. Janette On 3-Dec-09, at 9:07 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > Well, > > > You proibably know already all that are available, You have > Felsiberto, HHN, > Clode, and FMPS Clode and Meneses and Morgado Pereira de Agrela. > Geneall has > some info about Madeira genealogies. And the personal best Madeiran > genealogies are to be found in some of our list colleagues > > > I'll try to find out the Travassos in Pereira de Agrela. Once I > looked for > them and it had valuable and original info about them. > > At one point some a Travassos (from 15th century) whose alcunha was > " O > Pequenininho) was the Carcereiro, the man in charge of Porto Santo > prison. > A friend, a nobleman was quite schocked to see him in such a > station. What > you, from the noble Travassos, in such a terrible job? > The Pequenininho had some flourished and philosophical. answer- I > don't > recall the terms. But it was somnething like: " Alas my good friend, > such is > life that, though God forbid, one day you may be in the same > position as > myself." > > To be called Pequenininho- - is because he was very very small in > stature, > but not in dignity. > > Miguel > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Janette Chun <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Thanks Miguel. I have a some information on the Calacas and Ornellas. >> Any pointers on other resources for informaton on the Texeiras, >> Castros, etc. ? >> >> Janette >> On 3-Dec-09, at 7:49 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: >> >>> Bingo! I was sure he was from Porto Santo. He probably connects with >>> the >>> first Travassos from Porto Santo. >>> >>> And so with the Teixeiras, Calaças, Castros, Mendonças. Vasconcelos >>> and >>> Ornelas. >>> >>> >>> regards, >>> Miguel >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Janette Chun <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Miguel, >>>> >>>> 1600s - the marriage date is 1649 >>>> >>>> Manuel Travassos Isabel de Góis Porto Santo 1649 >>>> 991 >>>> 26 >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> Janette >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 3-Dec-09, at 4:47 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello Janette, >>>>> >>>>>> From which year is he? >>>>> >>>>> The name is not very common. It is very ancient. It is a >>>>> toponymic. >>>>> And the >>>>> Travassos from the XVI th century were considered as nobility. >>>>> >>>>> regards, >>>>> >>>>> Miguel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Janette Chun <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> With the invaluable help of Luis Beal, I now have an ancestor >>>>>> named >>>>>> Manuel Travassos. I've never come across this last name >>>>>> before - >>>>>> and >>>>>> a quick internet search revealed that there are quite a few. Does >>>>>> anyone know the origins of this name? Is it common in Madeira? >>>>>> >>>>>> Janette >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2-Dec-09, at 9:40 PM, Janette Chun wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks Luis! No not gothic yet....LOL >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will email the pdf files to the address you provided. Thanks >>>>>>> again. >>>>>>> Janette >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2-Dec-09, at 10:14 AM, Luis Beal wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That was me. Just e-mail an attachment to [email protected] >>>>>>>> 1600's I hope it isn't gothic cause that I can't read :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Luis Beal >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain >>>>>>>> perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life >>>>>>>> unless >>>>>>>> it is woven into the life of our ancestors." >>>>>>>> Cicero, Roman orator >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>>> From: Janette Chun <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: PRT-MADEIRA <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Sent: Wed, December 2, 2009 9:27:18 AM >>>>>>>> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Help reading certificates >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've enjoyed the exchange of emails over the last few weeks. >>>>>>>> Great to >>>>>>>> see the forum active again. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I recall reading an offer to help read some certificates but >>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>> remember who : ( - old age! I recently received two >>>>>>>> certificates >>>>>>>> from the 1600s which are a little difficult to decipher - I >>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>> I've >>>>>>>> sort of figured it out, but would welcome a second opinion as >>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>> familiar with some of the abbreviations. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Janette Chun >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> the body of the message >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> the body of the message >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>> without the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] >>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>>> the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hello Janette, Ok. I just saw the Travassos, in Clode, FPMPS pg 317. Isabel de Góis must be Góis by his mother, Catarina Nunes. My guess. And as the Teixeiras .from Lançarote teixeira, carried the name Góis, she must be Góis and Teixeira. (The Teixeiras are another Casta Grande. I bet 90 % of madeirans nowadys have Teixeira's blood)- It shows as I had predicted (no big deal, Madeira is small, and at one point you know intuitively who is who) a Mendonça, the mother of Manuel Travassos, the wife of Manuel Rodrigues Travassos. On other hand ( where my predictions fail) I thought he would link with the Travassos Magalhães. But Clode does not confirm that. Still... Anyway it's a good find for you. Looking forward for more developments. Because it's a promising line. But...let's see, Best regards, Miguel On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Janette Chun <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Miguel. Yes I know of these all except Morgado Pereira de > Agrela. I haven't really looked at any of the Clode works, but it was > in fact through his work that I was able to get to this particular > ancestor, thanks to a page from his book, which the archive sent me on > the Gois family. > > I just recently took out a subscription to geneall but so far haven't > discovered any new nuggets of information. Will keep looking. > > Janette > > > > On 3-Dec-09, at 9:07 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > > > Well, > > > > > > You proibably know already all that are available, You have > > Felsiberto, HHN, > > Clode, and FMPS Clode and Meneses and Morgado Pereira de Agrela. > > Geneall has > > some info about Madeira genealogies. And the personal best Madeiran > > genealogies are to be found in some of our list colleagues > > > > > > I'll try to find out the Travassos in Pereira de Agrela. Once I > > looked for > > them and it had valuable and original info about them. > > > > At one point some a Travassos (from 15th century) whose alcunha was > > " O > > Pequenininho) was the Carcereiro, the man in charge of Porto Santo > > prison. > > A friend, a nobleman was quite schocked to see him in such a > > station. What > > you, from the noble Travassos, in such a terrible job? > > The Pequenininho had some flourished and philosophical. answer- I > > don't > > recall the terms. But it was somnething like: " Alas my good friend, > > such is > > life that, though God forbid, one day you may be in the same > > position as > > myself." > > > > To be called Pequenininho- - is because he was very very small in > > stature, > > but not in dignity. > > > > Miguel > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Janette Chun <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> Thanks Miguel. I have a some information on the Calacas and Ornellas. > >> Any pointers on other resources for informaton on the Texeiras, > >> Castros, etc. ? > >> > >> Janette > >> On 3-Dec-09, at 7:49 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > >> > >>> Bingo! I was sure he was from Porto Santo. He probably connects with > >>> the > >>> first Travassos from Porto Santo. > >>> > >>> And so with the Teixeiras, Calaças, Castros, Mendonças. Vasconcelos > >>> and > >>> Ornelas. > >>> > >>> > >>> regards, > >>> Miguel > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Janette Chun <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi Miguel, > >>>> > >>>> 1600s - the marriage date is 1649 > >>>> > >>>> Manuel Travassos Isabel de Góis Porto Santo 1649 > >>>> 991 > >>>> 26 > >>>> > >>>> Thanks. > >>>> Janette > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 3-Dec-09, at 4:47 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hello Janette, > >>>>> > >>>>>> From which year is he? > >>>>> > >>>>> The name is not very common. It is very ancient. It is a > >>>>> toponymic. > >>>>> And the > >>>>> Travassos from the XVI th century were considered as nobility. > >>>>> > >>>>> regards, > >>>>> > >>>>> Miguel > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Janette Chun <[email protected]> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> With the invaluable help of Luis Beal, I now have an ancestor > >>>>>> named > >>>>>> Manuel Travassos. I've never come across this last name > >>>>>> before - > >>>>>> and > >>>>>> a quick internet search revealed that there are quite a few. Does > >>>>>> anyone know the origins of this name? Is it common in Madeira? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Janette > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 2-Dec-09, at 9:40 PM, Janette Chun wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks Luis! No not gothic yet....LOL > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I will email the pdf files to the address you provided. Thanks > >>>>>>> again. > >>>>>>> Janette > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 2-Dec-09, at 10:14 AM, Luis Beal wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> That was me. Just e-mail an attachment to [email protected] > >>>>>>>> 1600's I hope it isn't gothic cause that I can't read :) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Luis Beal > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain > >>>>>>>> perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life > >>>>>>>> unless > >>>>>>>> it is woven into the life of our ancestors." > >>>>>>>> Cicero, Roman orator > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ________________________________ > >>>>>>>> From: Janette Chun <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>> To: PRT-MADEIRA <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>> Sent: Wed, December 2, 2009 9:27:18 AM > >>>>>>>> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Help reading certificates > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hello all, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I've enjoyed the exchange of emails over the last few weeks. > >>>>>>>> Great to > >>>>>>>> see the forum active again. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I recall reading an offer to help read some certificates but > >>>>>>>> can't > >>>>>>>> remember who : ( - old age! I recently received two > >>>>>>>> certificates > >>>>>>>> from the 1600s which are a little difficult to decipher - I > >>>>>>>> think > >>>>>>>> I've > >>>>>>>> sort of figured it out, but would welcome a second opinion as > >>>>>>>> I'm > >>>>>>>> not > >>>>>>>> familiar with some of the abbreviations. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Janette Chun > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> the body of the message > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> the body of the message > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>>>>> without the > >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>> [email protected] > >>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > >>>>> the body of the message > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>>> without the > >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] > >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > >>> the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Miguel, According to Clode (and sorry I don't have the title of the book, just a photo copy of page 149 with the title Gois) his descendants were not of nobility. Here's what I have: Gois Os deste apelido procedem de Brites de Gois, filha de Joao do Rego e de Beatriz de Gois e mulher de Lancarote Teixeira, filho do segundo donatario de Machico. Deste casamento houve 13 filhos. O Dr. Alvaro de Azevedo nas sua notas as <Saudades da Terra>, tambem diz que este apelido originariamente deriva de D. Anciao da Estrada, Asturiano, que foi senhor de Gois. No Porto Santo ha uma famiia Gois de Mendonca cujo tronco era Manuel Rocha, casado com Maria Coelho; um filho deste, Atanasio Mendes Gaviao, casou em 1700 com Mariana de Gois, filha de Luiz de Castro Ferreira e de Brites de Gois e daqui aquele nome. Nao pertenceram a nobreza. This may explain why you couldn't find the link. I had reached the said couple Manuel Rocha and Maria Coelho. and could go no further and was puzzled that for several generations everyone leading up to the Atanasio had been de Gois de Mendonca (or some variant) and all of a sudden the names all changed. So Atanasio's son, Antoniol (and my direct ancestor) chose his mother and maternal grandmother's last name. His mother is listed in all the certificates as Mariana de Gois but his grandmother is Beatriz de Gois de Mendoza -which is the first time I've see this spelling in any of my certificates. Now I will wait and see where the documents for Beatriz's parents take me.... I also wonder where Clode got his information from. I have not been able to find a marriage certificate for Atanasio and Mariana, yet he states that they were married in 1700. Thank you again for all your help. Janette On 3-Dec-09, at 4:28 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > Hello Janette, > > Ok. I just saw the Travassos, in Clode, FPMPS pg 317. Isabel de > Góis must > be Góis by his mother, Catarina Nunes. My guess. And as the > Teixeiras .from > Lançarote teixeira, carried the name Góis, she must be Góis and > Teixeira. > > (The Teixeiras are another Casta Grande. I bet 90 % of madeirans > nowadys > have Teixeira's blood)- > > It shows as I had predicted (no big deal, Madeira is small, and at > one point > you know intuitively who is who) a Mendonça, the mother of Manuel > Travassos, the wife of Manuel Rodrigues Travassos. > > On other hand ( where my predictions fail) I thought he would link > with the > Travassos Magalhães. But Clode does not confirm that. Still... > > Anyway it's a good find for you. Looking forward for more > developments. > Because it's a promising line. But...let's see, > > Best regards, > > Miguel > > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Janette Chun <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Thanks Miguel. Yes I know of these all except Morgado Pereira de >> Agrela. I haven't really looked at any of the Clode works, but it >> was >> in fact through his work that I was able to get to this particular >> ancestor, thanks to a page from his book, which the archive sent me >> on >> the Gois family. >> >> I just recently took out a subscription to geneall but so far haven't >> discovered any new nuggets of information. Will keep looking. >> >> Janette >> >> >> >> On 3-Dec-09, at 9:07 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: >> >>> Well, >>> >>> >>> You proibably know already all that are available, You have >>> Felsiberto, HHN, >>> Clode, and FMPS Clode and Meneses and Morgado Pereira de Agrela. >>> Geneall has >>> some info about Madeira genealogies. And the personal best Madeiran >>> genealogies are to be found in some of our list colleagues >>> >>> >>> I'll try to find out the Travassos in Pereira de Agrela. Once I >>> looked for >>> them and it had valuable and original info about them. >>> >>> At one point some a Travassos (from 15th century) whose alcunha was >>> " O >>> Pequenininho) was the Carcereiro, the man in charge of Porto Santo >>> prison. >>> A friend, a nobleman was quite schocked to see him in such a >>> station. What >>> you, from the noble Travassos, in such a terrible job? >>> The Pequenininho had some flourished and philosophical. answer- I >>> don't >>> recall the terms. But it was somnething like: " Alas my good friend, >>> such is >>> life that, though God forbid, one day you may be in the same >>> position as >>> myself." >>> >>> To be called Pequenininho- - is because he was very very small in >>> stature, >>> but not in dignity. >>> >>> Miguel >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Janette Chun <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Miguel. I have a some information on the Calacas and >>>> Ornellas. >>>> Any pointers on other resources for informaton on the Texeiras, >>>> Castros, etc. ? >>>> >>>> Janette >>>> On 3-Dec-09, at 7:49 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: >>>> >>>>> Bingo! I was sure he was from Porto Santo. He probably connects >>>>> with >>>>> the >>>>> first Travassos from Porto Santo. >>>>> >>>>> And so with the Teixeiras, Calaças, Castros, Mendonças. >>>>> Vasconcelos >>>>> and >>>>> Ornelas. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> regards, >>>>> Miguel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Janette Chun <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Miguel, >>>>>> >>>>>> 1600s - the marriage date is 1649 >>>>>> >>>>>> Manuel Travassos Isabel de Góis Porto Santo 1649 >>>>>> 991 >>>>>> 26 >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> Janette >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 3-Dec-09, at 4:47 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Janette, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From which year is he? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The name is not very common. It is very ancient. It is a >>>>>>> toponymic. >>>>>>> And the >>>>>>> Travassos from the XVI th century were considered as nobility. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Miguel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Janette Chun <[email protected] >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With the invaluable help of Luis Beal, I now have an ancestor >>>>>>>> named >>>>>>>> Manuel Travassos. I've never come across this last name >>>>>>>> before - >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> a quick internet search revealed that there are quite a few. >>>>>>>> Does >>>>>>>> anyone know the origins of this name? Is it common in Madeira? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Janette >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2-Dec-09, at 9:40 PM, Janette Chun wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks Luis! No not gothic yet....LOL >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I will email the pdf files to the address you provided. >>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>> again. >>>>>>>>> Janette >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2-Dec-09, at 10:14 AM, Luis Beal wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That was me. Just e-mail an attachment to [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> 1600's I hope it isn't gothic cause that I can't read :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Luis Beal >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain >>>>>>>>>> perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life >>>>>>>>>> unless >>>>>>>>>> it is woven into the life of our ancestors." >>>>>>>>>> Cicero, Roman orator >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> From: Janette Chun <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> To: PRT-MADEIRA <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wed, December 2, 2009 9:27:18 AM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Help reading certificates >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've enjoyed the exchange of emails over the last few weeks. >>>>>>>>>> Great to >>>>>>>>>> see the forum active again. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I recall reading an offer to help read some certificates but >>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>> remember who : ( - old age! I recently received two >>>>>>>>>> certificates >>>>>>>>>> from the 1600s which are a little difficult to decipher - I >>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>> I've >>>>>>>>>> sort of figured it out, but would welcome a second opinion as >>>>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>> familiar with some of the abbreviations. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Janette Chun >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> the body of the message >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> the body of the message >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>>>> without the >>>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>> without the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] >>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>>> the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hello Janette, In Pereira de Agrela Tomo 1-6 parte, pg 166 1 Manuel Travassos m. Maria de Mendonça, they had: 2 - Manuel Travassos. o pequeninho. m. (1609) Isabel de Góis ( dau. of Domingos Martins de Magalhâes and Catarina Nunes), they had: Baltazar Manuel Maria Nunes m. Baltazar de Mendonça Soares Isabel de Castro m. Duarte Teixeira de Vasconcelos Beatriz de Góis m. Luís de Castro Ferreira. son of Diogo de Castro and Luzia Fernandes The Travassos were from the nobility. I don't know where Clode got his idea , but in this particular case he was not accurate. Cheers, Miguel On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Janette Chun <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Miguel. Yes I know of these all except Morgado Pereira de > Agrela. I haven't really looked at any of the Clode works, but it was > in fact through his work that I was able to get to this particular > ancestor, thanks to a page from his book, which the archive sent me on > the Gois family. > > I just recently took out a subscription to geneall but so far haven't > discovered any new nuggets of information. Will keep looking. > > Janette > > > > On 3-Dec-09, at 9:07 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > > > Well, > > > > > > You proibably know already all that are available, You have > > Felsiberto, HHN, > > Clode, and FMPS Clode and Meneses and Morgado Pereira de Agrela. > > Geneall has > > some info about Madeira genealogies. And the personal best Madeiran > > genealogies are to be found in some of our list colleagues > > > > > > I'll try to find out the Travassos in Pereira de Agrela. Once I > > looked for > > them and it had valuable and original info about them. > > > > At one point some a Travassos (from 15th century) whose alcunha was > > " O > > Pequenininho) was the Carcereiro, the man in charge of Porto Santo > > prison. > > A friend, a nobleman was quite schocked to see him in such a > > station. What > > you, from the noble Travassos, in such a terrible job? > > The Pequenininho had some flourished and philosophical. answer- I > > don't > > recall the terms. But it was somnething like: " Alas my good friend, > > such is > > life that, though God forbid, one day you may be in the same > > position as > > myself." > > > > To be called Pequenininho- - is because he was very very small in > > stature, > > but not in dignity. > > > > Miguel > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Janette Chun <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> Thanks Miguel. I have a some information on the Calacas and Ornellas. > >> Any pointers on other resources for informaton on the Texeiras, > >> Castros, etc. ? > >> > >> Janette > >> On 3-Dec-09, at 7:49 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > >> > >>> Bingo! I was sure he was from Porto Santo. He probably connects with > >>> the > >>> first Travassos from Porto Santo. > >>> > >>> And so with the Teixeiras, Calaças, Castros, Mendonças. Vasconcelos > >>> and > >>> Ornelas. > >>> > >>> > >>> regards, > >>> Miguel > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Janette Chun <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi Miguel, > >>>> > >>>> 1600s - the marriage date is 1649 > >>>> > >>>> Manuel Travassos Isabel de Góis Porto Santo 1649 > >>>> 991 > >>>> 26 > >>>> > >>>> Thanks. > >>>> Janette > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 3-Dec-09, at 4:47 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hello Janette, > >>>>> > >>>>>> From which year is he? > >>>>> > >>>>> The name is not very common. It is very ancient. It is a > >>>>> toponymic. > >>>>> And the > >>>>> Travassos from the XVI th century were considered as nobility. > >>>>> > >>>>> regards, > >>>>> > >>>>> Miguel > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Janette Chun <[email protected]> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> With the invaluable help of Luis Beal, I now have an ancestor > >>>>>> named > >>>>>> Manuel Travassos. I've never come across this last name > >>>>>> before - > >>>>>> and > >>>>>> a quick internet search revealed that there are quite a few. Does > >>>>>> anyone know the origins of this name? Is it common in Madeira? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Janette > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 2-Dec-09, at 9:40 PM, Janette Chun wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks Luis! No not gothic yet....LOL > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I will email the pdf files to the address you provided. Thanks > >>>>>>> again. > >>>>>>> Janette > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 2-Dec-09, at 10:14 AM, Luis Beal wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> That was me. Just e-mail an attachment to [email protected] > >>>>>>>> 1600's I hope it isn't gothic cause that I can't read :) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Luis Beal > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain > >>>>>>>> perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life > >>>>>>>> unless > >>>>>>>> it is woven into the life of our ancestors." > >>>>>>>> Cicero, Roman orator > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ________________________________ > >>>>>>>> From: Janette Chun <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>> To: PRT-MADEIRA <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>> Sent: Wed, December 2, 2009 9:27:18 AM > >>>>>>>> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Help reading certificates > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hello all, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I've enjoyed the exchange of emails over the last few weeks. > >>>>>>>> Great to > >>>>>>>> see the forum active again. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I recall reading an offer to help read some certificates but > >>>>>>>> can't > >>>>>>>> remember who : ( - old age! I recently received two > >>>>>>>> certificates > >>>>>>>> from the 1600s which are a little difficult to decipher - I > >>>>>>>> think > >>>>>>>> I've > >>>>>>>> sort of figured it out, but would welcome a second opinion as > >>>>>>>> I'm > >>>>>>>> not > >>>>>>>> familiar with some of the abbreviations. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Janette Chun > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> the body of the message > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> the body of the message > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>>>>> without the > >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>> [email protected] > >>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > >>>>> the body of the message > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>>> without the > >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] > >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > >>> the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >