Tom, Madeira is a small place. So far, Families are quite identified and analyzed. People with the same name from the same area and and the same time are almost "condemned" to be from the same family. Unless the Agrella was a name given to a slave - and that could happen, because slaves used to have the name of their owner - all the Agrellas from Madeira are relatives. So I support your bet ;- ) Miguel de CH. On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 10:10 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Scott, > > I would bet that your de Agrella's are related to mine but I do not see any > connection. They are all from the same place in Madeira. You can view my > de Agrella's at http://freitasfamily.tribalpages.com/ Password is madeira > > Tom Freitas > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scot Austin" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 10:24 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Help reading certificates/Pereira d'Agrela > > > Miguel, > > Take a look at this tree: > > http://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ShowPedigree&pagetitle=Person:Nicolau_Agrela_%281%29 > Nicolau is my wife's 4g-grandfather. Can you tell how they fit in? > > Thanks, Scot > > > Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > > Hello David, > > > > Janette ansered you already. Anyway you must be a "de Agrella" from > > Madeira, > > transformed in De Grella. And if so Pereira de Agrela the genealogist is > > probably your relative, since there are not that many Agrellas in > Madeira. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Miguel > > > > On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 4:10 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> I'm confused. Who or what is"Pereira d'Agrela"? > >> Thanks, > >> David DeGrella > >> Tennessee, USA > >> On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:48:56 -0800 Janette Chun <[email protected]> > >> writes: > >> > >>> Thanks Miguel. I find it quite interesting that the Gois & Mendonca > >>> names, although carried by the male line in later generations, seems > >>> to have its genesis in the female line with Beatriz, her mother, and > >>> now, thanks to you, her grandmother. > >>> Turns out that I had heard of Pereira d'Agrela after all. I was > >>> going > >>> through some old genealogy files yesterday, and lo and behold, > >>> thanks > >>> to Pat (on this forum) I have about 33 pages of this genealogical > >>> record sent to me circa 2002 : )) Thanks Pat! I will have to check > >>> my old laptop to see what other treasures I might have stowed away. > >>> Janette > >>> > >>> > >>> On 19-Dec-09, at 2:50 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Hello Janette, > >>>> You're welcome. I am glad I was of some help. Yesterday it was a > > >>>> field day > >>>> too because I also solved another old genealogical puzzle. Thanks > >>>> > >>> to Pereira d'Agrela. > >>> > >>>> Anyway, the Mendonça could come precisely from the first Manuel > >>>> Travassos m. > >>>> Maria Mendonça. On that era sometimes a name of an ancestor > >>>> manifests 2 or > >>>> three generations later. > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> Miguel > >>>> > >>>> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 6:15 AM, Janette Chun > >>>> > >>> <[email protected]> > >>> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Hello Miguel, > >>>>> > >>>>> Wow! Thank you for solving this piece of the puzzle for me. I'm > >>>>> sincerely grateful. > >>>>> I'm not on the nobility quest but good to know. I'm still at a > >>>>> little > >>>>> confused on how or where the first Mendonca occurs in this line, but > >>>>> hopefully, once I get the documents, more will be revealed. > >>>>> Janette > >>>>> > >>>>> On 18-Dec-09, at 1:32 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hello Janette, > >>>>>> In Pereira de Agrela Tomo 1-6 parte, pg 166 > >>>>>> 1 Manuel Travassos m. Maria de Mendonça, they had: > >>>>>> 2 - Manuel Travassos. o pequeninho. m. (1609) Isabel de Góis > >>>>>> ( dau. of > >>>>>> Domingos Martins de Magalhâes and Catarina Nunes), they had: > >>>>>> Baltazar > >>>>>> Manuel > >>>>>> Maria Nunes m. Baltazar de Mendonça Soares > >>>>>> Isabel de Castro m. Duarte Teixeira de Vasconcelos > >>>>>> Beatriz de Góis m. Luís de Castro Ferreira. son of Diogo de > >>>>>> > >>> Castro > >>> > >>>>>> and Luzia > >>>>>> Fernandes > >>>>>> The Travassos were from the nobility. > >>>>>> I don't know where Clode got his idea , but in this particular > >>>>>> > >> case > >> > >>>>>> he was > >>>>>> not accurate. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Miguel > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Janette Chun > >>>>>> > >>> <[email protected]> > >>> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks Miguel. Yes I know of these all except Morgado Pereira > >>>>>>> > >> de Agrela. I haven't really looked at any of the Clode works, but > >> > >>> it was > >>> > >>>>>>> in fact through his work that I was able to get to this > >>>>>>> > >>> particular > >>> > >>>>>>> ancestor, thanks to a page from his book, which the archive > >>>>>>> > >>> sent me > >>> > >>>>>>> on > >>>>>>> the Gois family. > >>>>>>> I just recently took out a subscription to geneall but so far > >>>>>>> haven't > >>>>>>> discovered any new nuggets of information. Will keep looking. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Janette > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 3-Dec-09, at 9:07 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Well,>>> You proibably know already all that are available, You > >>>>>>>> > >> have > >> > >>>>>>>> Felsiberto, HHN, > >>>>>>>> Clode, and FMPS Clode and Meneses and Morgado Pereira de Agrela. > >>>>>>>> Geneall has > >>>>>>>> some info about Madeira genealogies. And the personal best > >>>>>>>> Madeiran > >>>>>>>> genealogies are to be found in some of our list colleagues > >>>>>>>> I'll try to find out the Travassos in Pereira de Agrela. Once I > >>>>>>>> looked for > >>>>>>>> them and it had valuable and original info about them. > >>>>>>>> At one point some a Travassos (from 15th century) whose alcunha > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> was > >>>>>>>> " O Pequenininho) was the Carcereiro, the man in charge of Porto > >>>>>>>> > >> Santo prison. > >> > >>>>>>>> A friend, a nobleman was quite schocked to see him in such a > >>>>>>>> station. Whatyou, from the noble Travassos, in such a terrible > >>>>>>>> > >> job? > >> > >>>>>>>> The Pequenininho had some flourished and philosophical. answer- > >>>>>>>> > >> Idon't > >> > >>>>>>>> recall the terms. But it was somnething like: " Alas my good > >>>>>>>> > >> friend, > >> > >>>>>>>> such is > >>>>>>>> life that, though God forbid, one day you may be in the same > >>>>>>>> position as myself." > >>>>>>>> To be called Pequenininho- - is because he was very very small > >>>>>>>> > >> in stature, but not in dignity. > >> > >>>>>>>> Miguel > >>>>>>>> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >