Hello Cece, I got part of my data from Pereira de Agrela, Clode and Felisberto BM. About Beatriz de Lordelo and her connection to the Teixeiras: João Fernandes Lordelo m. Isabel Teixeira,, dau, of Tristão Vaz, the first Capitão-Mor. Had one dau and one son: Henrique Fernandes de Lordelo m. Guiomar escórcio, dau of João Drummond and Branca Afonso. There was also a Lopo de Lordelo, Knight, who married a N. Teixeira, according to Pereira de Agrela. This N. Teixeira was the sister of the 3d Captain. On other hand according to Clode, Tristão Teixeira, o das Damas, the 2nd Captain married D. Guiomar de Lordelo, probably a sister of his cunhado João Fernandes de Lordelo, and they had issue.. On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Cece Camara <[email protected]> wrote: > You lost me - it seems almost every one of the posts today have me dancing > very closely to someone in my tree...but not quite touching ;-) > So allow me to start with your quote below " Beatriz de Lordelo, and this > same Beatriz the niece of Tristão Teixeira"... > Please show me this connection. > > And second regarding your quote "* António Fernandes das Covas,( son of > Paulo António or António Paulo, a Jewish MD who was extremely rich, had > slaves, an "engenho", etc)) married 2 nd time in that very same year Maria > de Velosa de Vasconcelos. dau. of Francisco Velosa de Vasconcelos and Maria > de Gayas" > I also have Antonio Fernandes das Covas and Maria de Velosa de Vasconcelos. > But I show Maria to be the daughter of Irvao Teixiera and Dona Maria de > Velosa (this from Pelo Conego Meneses Vaz, Teixeiras de Tristao Vaz, > Familias da Madeira e Porto Santo,pg 149). > > According to HHN título Teixeiras we have a different story; § 14.º / N.º 4 – Manuel Teixeira de Vasconcellos, filho 2.º / de Antonio Teixei- ra, o Rei Pequeno, § 11.º, N.º 3.º / Casou com Anna de Vellosa, filha de Fran- / cisco de Vellosa, o velho, e de Catharina Vaz Tavares, / em titulo de Vellosas, § 2.º, N.º 2.º / De quem houve. / 5 – Francisco de Vellosa de Vasconcellos. / 5 – D. Constança de Mendônça, mulher de João / de Ornellas de Moura, filho de João de Or- / nellas, e de D. Cecilia de Moura, em titulo / de Ornellas, § ...., N.º...../ 5 – Francisco De Vellosa de Vasconcellos, filho 1.º de / Manuel Teixeira de Vasconcellos. / Casou com Maria de Gaias, Viuva de Agos- / tinho de Goes de Vas- concellos, seu primo, n’este / titulo, § 11.º, N.º 5.º, e filha de Braz Gonçal- / ves, e de Maria d’a Conceição. / De quem houve. / 6 – Francisco de Vellosa de Vasconcellos. / 6 – Uma filha casada com Antonio Fernandes / que foi morador n’o Faial, e fôrão paes de: / ANTÓNIO FERNANDES DAS COVAS,. MORADOR NO FAIAL. 7 – Uma filha, casada com Antonio Vaz / Leite, c. g. / > I was thinking about asking about this quote as well "This last Francisco > de Miranda de Lordelo is one of the first Correias de Miranda in Madeira > and > is well known.As well as the Lordelo name.I won't discuss here their > genealogy now. Which is controversial, at least for one of them"...but > decided this is probably too much for one posting ;-) > I'LL ANSWER THAT TOMORROW ; -))) MIGUEL de CH > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Miguel de Castro > Henriques > Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 2:06 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Link to Morgado da Bemposta > > As direct ancestors of my paternal gg.mother Eulália Rosa (Corrêa de > Miranda) I have (several generations before) in the beggining of the 17 th > century (1610): > > Francisco Lopes Borralho m.(Faial, 1610) Catarina Corrêa, she daughter of > Francisco de Miranda de Lordelo and Antónia Jorge. This last Francisco de > Miranda de Lordelo is one of the first Correias de Miranda in Madeira and > is > well known.As well as the Lordelo name. I won't discuss here their > genealogy now. Which is controversial, at least for one of them. > > Only recently I became aware that the Lopes Borralho name, quite unusual in > that time (and even after) probably comes from João Lopes Franco (son of > Lopo Franco de Monção married Catarina Annes Escudeiro niece of João Afonso > Escudeiro, the 1st Morgado da Bemposta) and Jerónima Borralho. > > But I had a one generation gap. Then I found in Pereira de Agrela one Diogo > Lopes Tavares, Morgado de São Lázaro ( son of João Lopes Franco, Morgado > da > Bemposta) and Jerónima Borralho- dau. of Gomes da Ponte, son of Jordão de > Ponte and Filipa Tavares, and another Jerónima Borralho. (This > FilipaTavares > is an important piece of the puzzle, it explains why the Morgados da > Bemposta used a coat of arms quartered with the Tavares' arms. She was the > dau of Fernão Enes - I think he was called "O do bons vinhos. great!) and > Catarina Vaz Tavares, this last one dau of Vasco Esteves and Joana > Tavares.) > > Anyway That Diogo Lopes Tavares married (1580) Antónia de Abreu Escórcio- > (dau. of António Lopes Libraleão and Mecia de Abreu Escórcio, dau of João > Escórcio and Isabel Calaça- (the Libraleão possibly or maybe definetely > Jewish) (interesting detail, because of one of the godparents. See below. * > > My feeling is that Diogo LT and Antónia AE. are the parents of my Francisco > Lopes Borralho. The chronology fits, the names too, the social milieu too. > > Catarina Correia the wife of Francisco Lopes Borralho was the g. dau, of D. > Beatriz de Lordelo, and this same Beatriz the niece of Tristão Teixeira, 3 > d > Capitão-Mor de Machico. > > The witness or quite possibly godparents of the marriage document (quite > damaged, can't read it clearly in some parts) of Francisco Lopes Borralho > and Catarina Corrêa, were Jordão de Freitas m. Beatriz Spínola. Jordão had > a > Lordelo as ancestor. > And the other witness is the famous > > * António Fernandes das Covas,( son of Paulo António or António Paulo, a > Jewish MD who was extremely rich, had slaves, an "engenho", etc)) married 2 > nd time in that very same year Maria de Velosa de Vasconcelos. dau. of > Francisco Velosa de Vasconcelos and Maria de Gayas- These Gayas, though > noble, were most probably of Jewish origin too. This Francisco Velosa de > Vasconcelos was also descendant of Catarina Vaz Tavares, thus Maria Velosa > the wife of António Fernandes das Covas (the godfather) was a relative of > the groom. And also a descendant of the Teixeiras, thus a relative of the > bride as well. > > So I think this is it. I guess that all this makes sense. The social > milieu, > the Jewish connection, the adjustment of the names. As a matter of fact the > Borralho name is very very rare. Only 7 Borralhos appear in the ARM > database, and they seem to be all related - and linked to Jerónima > Borralho, > m. (1535 more or less) to João Lopes Franco Escudeiro, the Morgado da > Bemposta. > > What do you think? > > Probably some more people in here have Corrêas or Correias de Miranda and > possibly they'll have a link to these people too. > > Cheers, > > > Miguel de CH > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this > incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.430 / Virus Database: 270.14.116/2580 - Release Date: 12/22/09 > 08:09:00 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >