You are welcome. I don't know if Vardas is a variation of Vareda. I'd say that's a question for either Miguel or Paulo :)   Luis Beal "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator ________________________________ From: Pat Corbera <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 9:39:57 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Luis Beal (Barretos da Ponta do Sol) Luis, Once again Thank You so much... I didn't have any info on Joao Barreto d'Amil, who married Antonia da Silva, nor his second marriage to D. Maria da Candelaria. Agueda Cesar and Capitao Bartolomeu Veloso de Lira are my direct line ancestors. When I was researching them using Conego Vaz' publication "Barretos, Do Arco, I didn't follow through with listing Joao Barreto de Amil, though now I do see him listed along with Agueda as being siblings... Thank you for pointing out Joao... I'll update my file to include him and his spouses. Titulo: Liras Vardas ? Do you know if Varda/s is a spelling variation of Vareda? Abs, Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Beal" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:58:32 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Luis Beal (Barretos da Ponta do Sol) Ha you got me there. He is not in Barretos da Ponta do Sol but in just Barretos. This record lists: Joao Barreto and Ana Cesar daughter of Andre Cesar and Isabel de Sequeira - Titulo de Cesar. Children: Andre Cesar de Andrade married 1653 to D. Antonia de Valdavesso; Joao Barreto d'Amil, married 1 in 1656 to D. Antonia da Silva, 2 in 1660 in Canhas to D. Maria da Candelaria; Agueda Cesar married 1662 to Capitao Bartolomeu Veloso de Lira, titulo de Liras Vardas. No mention of Agostinho. Luis Beal "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator ________________________________ From: Pat Corbera <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 6:36:40 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Luis Beal (Barretos da Ponta do Sol) Luis, This will be the last one for awhile...;-) Barretos do Ponta do Sol: Interested in (2)Joao Barreto son of (1)Joao Barreto and Isabel de Amil. (2) married in the Calheta on 20 Feb 1629 to Ana Cesar. (2) was also married to Maria da Camara daughter of Bras de Amil and Catarina da Camara. I have three children for (2)Joao and Ana - Agostinho; Agueda and Andre with surnames of Cesar de Andrade for Agosinho and Andre, but for Agueda the surname is Cesar Abreu Andrade... Interested if there's a reference made in the pages that you have for the different surnames that the children used... Appreciate your help... Pat ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No way. It's an European (roumanian, I think) name, like the famous French moviemaker Agnes Varda. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Luis Beal <[email protected]> Date: Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Luis Beal (Barretos da Ponta do Sol) To: [email protected] You are welcome. I don't know if Vardas is a variation of Vareda. I'd say that's a question for either Miguel or Paulo :) Luis Beal "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator ________________________________ From: Pat Corbera <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 9:39:57 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Luis Beal (Barretos da Ponta do Sol) Luis, Once again Thank You so much... I didn't have any info on Joao Barreto d'Amil, who married Antonia da Silva, nor his second marriage to D. Maria da Candelaria. Agueda Cesar and Capitao Bartolomeu Veloso de Lira are my direct line ancestors. When I was researching them using Conego Vaz' publication "Barretos, Do Arco, I didn't follow through with listing Joao Barreto de Amil, though now I do see him listed along with Agueda as being siblings... Thank you for pointing out Joao... I'll update my file to include him and his spouses. Titulo: Liras Vardas ? Do you know if Varda/s is a spelling variation of Vareda? Abs, Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Beal" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:58:32 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Luis Beal (Barretos da Ponta do Sol) Ha you got me there. He is not in Barretos da Ponta do Sol but in just Barretos. This record lists: Joao Barreto and Ana Cesar daughter of Andre Cesar and Isabel de Sequeira - Titulo de Cesar. Children: Andre Cesar de Andrade married 1653 to D. Antonia de Valdavesso; Joao Barreto d'Amil, married 1 in 1656 to D. Antonia da Silva, 2 in 1660 in Canhas to D. Maria da Candelaria; Agueda Cesar married 1662 to Capitao Bartolomeu Veloso de Lira, titulo de Liras Vardas. No mention of Agostinho. Luis Beal "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator ________________________________ From: Pat Corbera <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 6:36:40 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Luis Beal (Barretos da Ponta do Sol) Luis, This will be the last one for awhile...;-) Barretos do Ponta do Sol: Interested in (2)Joao Barreto son of (1)Joao Barreto and Isabel de Amil. (2) married in the Calheta on 20 Feb 1629 to Ana Cesar. (2) was also married to Maria da Camara daughter of Bras de Amil and Catarina da Camara. I have three children for (2)Joao and Ana - Agostinho; Agueda and Andre with surnames of Cesar de Andrade for Agosinho and Andre, but for Agueda the surname is Cesar Abreu Andrade... Interested if there's a reference made in the pages that you have for the different surnames that the children used... Appreciate your help... Pat ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Miguel, Thank you and Luis...This is very interesting... I need to read-up on this Agnes Varda, as well as locate something on the titulo de Liras Vardas. But for now, I need to start wrapping Xmas gifts...so, "I'll be back," later today. ;-))... Abs. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 5:01:56 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Fwd: Luis Beal (Barretos da Ponta do Sol) No way. It's an European (roumanian, I think) name, like the famous French moviemaker Agnes Varda. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Luis Beal <[email protected]> Date: Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Luis Beal (Barretos da Ponta do Sol) To: [email protected] You are welcome. I don't know if Vardas is a variation of Vareda. I'd say that's a question for either Miguel or Paulo :) Luis Beal "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator ________________________________ From: Pat Corbera <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 9:39:57 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Luis Beal (Barretos da Ponta do Sol) Luis, Once again Thank You so much... I didn't have any info on Joao Barreto d'Amil, who married Antonia da Silva, nor his second marriage to D. Maria da Candelaria. Agueda Cesar and Capitao Bartolomeu Veloso de Lira are my direct line ancestors. When I was researching them using Conego Vaz' publication "Barretos, Do Arco, I didn't follow through with listing Joao Barreto de Amil, though now I do see him listed along with Agueda as being siblings... Thank you for pointing out Joao... I'll update my file to include him and his spouses. Titulo: Liras Vardas ? Do you know if Varda/s is a spelling variation of Vareda? Abs, Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Beal" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:58:32 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Luis Beal (Barretos da Ponta do Sol) Ha you got me there. He is not in Barretos da Ponta do Sol but in just Barretos. This record lists: Joao Barreto and Ana Cesar daughter of Andre Cesar and Isabel de Sequeira - Titulo de Cesar. Children: Andre Cesar de Andrade married 1653 to D. Antonia de Valdavesso; Joao Barreto d'Amil, married 1 in 1656 to D. Antonia da Silva, 2 in 1660 in Canhas to D. Maria da Candelaria; Agueda Cesar married 1662 to Capitao Bartolomeu Veloso de Lira, titulo de Liras Vardas. No mention of Agostinho. Luis Beal "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator ________________________________ From: Pat Corbera <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 6:36:40 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Luis Beal (Barretos da Ponta do Sol) Luis, This will be the last one for awhile...;-) Barretos do Ponta do Sol: Interested in (2)Joao Barreto son of (1)Joao Barreto and Isabel de Amil. (2) married in the Calheta on 20 Feb 1629 to Ana Cesar. (2) was also married to Maria da Camara daughter of Bras de Amil and Catarina da Camara. I have three children for (2)Joao and Ana - Agostinho; Agueda and Andre with surnames of Cesar de Andrade for Agosinho and Andre, but for Agueda the surname is Cesar Abreu Andrade... Interested if there's a reference made in the pages that you have for the different surnames that the children used... Appreciate your help... Pat ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message