Pat, Thanks. I've come across that Manuel Fernandes Camacho and Inês de Andrade in geneall, but chronologically they don't fit with the ones I'm looking for. Though they had a g.dau. Maria de Andrade who married in 1650 Gaspar de Moura de Mendonça. My Maria de Andrade, was also married in 1650. I don't see a woman, becoming a widow in one year and marrying in the same year. She would be ostracized for the rest of her days. She had to let at the very least let one year go by. There are many Fernandes Camacho and Andrades, indeed. Anyway my Manuel Fernandes Camacho and Maria de Andrade, S. GONÇALO 1651, parents of António de Andrade Barreto, descend from some Barreto. And there were some Fraguedos Barretos and Barretos Thoym (or Tuim) around in S. Gonçalo by that time. It can be another branch of Barretos. As you know very well there are 4 at least!, possible trunks for the Barretos. . The link to the Drummonds that geneall presents about Catarina Anes Afonso <http://www.geneall.net/P/per_page.php?id=41573> - * c. 1460 Pedro Gonçalves Camacho connection through Catarina to the Drummonds is not real.It is one of geneall flops. She was not a Drummond. FAD indeed has one line, at least, to John Drummond. It's through the Pimentel, I think. Best regards, Miguel On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Pat Corbera <[email protected]>wrote: > Miguel, > > I have a Manuel Fernandes Camacho b. abt 1500 m. Maria Pereira parents of > Manuel Fernandes Camacho b. abt 1530 m. Ines de Andrade. > > Not sure if this is the individuals that you're looking for... > Source for the above - Sapo/GeneAll. > > Manuel Fernandes Camacho descends from John Drummond Escorcio, (via John's > daughter Cararina or Clara Anes Drummond...My notes indicate that this > daughter is FAD's ancestor). > > John DRUMMOND Escorcio is the 2rd great grandfather of Manuel Fernandes > CAMACHO, the father.). > > Pat > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 3:48:33 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Camacho > > > > > Does anyone has any info about this couple: > > > Manuel Fernandes (Camacho) m. Maria de Andrade . 1650. S. Gonçalo.? > > Thanks in advance for any news. > > Miguel > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Miguel, Re your note below about : "The link to the Drummonds that geneall presents about Catarina Anes Afonso <http://www.geneall.net/P/per_page.php?id=41573> - * c. 1460 Pedro Gonçalves Camacho connection through Catarina to the Drummonds is not real.It is one of geneall flops. She was not a Drummond. FAD indeed has one line, at least, to John Drummond. It's through the Pimentel, I think." I also have Catarina named as a Drummond as well as her daughter Isabel - and neither from Geneall. My sources are HHN- Acciolis and also Felisberto X 3 (from Ferreiras Drummond & Lordello geneologies). So do you think that all of these are wrong as well? If so, what do you have to disprove this? Cece -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Miguel de Castro Henriques Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 4:14 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Camacho Pat, Thanks. I've come across that Manuel Fernandes Camacho and Inês de Andrade in geneall, but chronologically they don't fit with the ones I'm looking for. Though they had a g.dau. Maria de Andrade who married in 1650 Gaspar de Moura de Mendonça. My Maria de Andrade, was also married in 1650. I don't see a woman, becoming a widow in one year and marrying in the same year. She would be ostracized for the rest of her days. She had to let at the very least let one year go by. There are many Fernandes Camacho and Andrades, indeed. Anyway my Manuel Fernandes Camacho and Maria de Andrade, S. GONÇALO 1651, parents of António de Andrade Barreto, descend from some Barreto. And there were some Fraguedos Barretos and Barretos Thoym (or Tuim) around in S. Gonçalo by that time. It can be another branch of Barretos. As you know very well there are 4 at least!, possible trunks for the Barretos. . The link to the Drummonds that geneall presents about Catarina Anes Afonso <http://www.geneall.net/P/per_page.php?id=41573> - * c. 1460 Pedro Gonçalves Camacho connection through Catarina to the Drummonds is not real.It is one of geneall flops. She was not a Drummond. FAD indeed has one line, at least, to John Drummond. It's through the Pimentel, I think. Best regards, Miguel On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Pat Corbera <[email protected]>wrote: > Miguel, > > I have a Manuel Fernandes Camacho b. abt 1500 m. Maria Pereira parents > of Manuel Fernandes Camacho b. abt 1530 m. Ines de Andrade. > > Not sure if this is the individuals that you're looking for... > Source for the above - Sapo/GeneAll. > > Manuel Fernandes Camacho descends from John Drummond Escorcio, (via > John's daughter Cararina or Clara Anes Drummond...My notes indicate > that this daughter is FAD's ancestor). > > John DRUMMOND Escorcio is the 2rd great grandfather of Manuel > Fernandes CAMACHO, the father.). > > Pat > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 3:48:33 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada > Pacific > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Camacho > > > > > Does anyone has any info about this couple: > > > Manuel Fernandes (Camacho) m. Maria de Andrade . 1650. S. Gonçalo.? > > Thanks in advance for any news. > > Miguel > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.99/2553 - Release Date: 12/10/09 07:36:00
Cece, Can you find a reference about Pedro Gonçalves Camacho and Catarina Anes in the Acciolis title of HHN? There is in fact a Catarina Anes dau. of João Escócio, but it's another, an homonimous of the one geneall refers as wife of Pedro Gonçalves Camacho. On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Cece Camara <[email protected]> wrote: > Miguel, > Re your note below about : > "The link to the Drummonds that geneall presents about > Catarina Anes Afonso <http://www.geneall.net/P/per_page.php?id=41573> > - * c. 1460 Pedro Gonçalves Camacho > connection through Catarina to the Drummonds is not real.It is one of > geneall flops. She was not a Drummond. > FAD indeed has one line, at least, to John Drummond. It's through the > Pimentel, I think." > > I also have Catarina named as a Drummond as well as her daughter Isabel - > and neither from Geneall. > My sources are HHN- Acciolis and also Felisberto X 3 (from Ferreiras > Drummond & Lordello geneologies). > So do you think that all of these are wrong as well? If so, what do you > have > to disprove this? > Cece > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Miguel de Castro > Henriques > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 4:14 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Camacho > > Pat, > > Thanks. I've come across that Manuel Fernandes Camacho and Inês de Andrade > in geneall, but chronologically they don't fit with the ones I'm looking > for. Though they had a g.dau. Maria de Andrade who married in 1650 Gaspar > de > Moura de Mendonça. > My Maria de Andrade, was also married in 1650. I don't see a woman, > becoming > a widow in one year and marrying in the same year. She would be ostracized > for the rest of her days. She had to let at the very least let one year go > by. > > There are many Fernandes Camacho and Andrades, indeed. > > Anyway my Manuel Fernandes Camacho and Maria de Andrade, S. GONÇALO 1651, > parents of António de Andrade Barreto, descend from some Barreto. And there > were some Fraguedos Barretos and Barretos Thoym (or Tuim) around in S. > Gonçalo by that time. It can be another branch of Barretos. As you know > very > well there are 4 at least!, possible trunks for the Barretos. > > . > > The link to the Drummonds that geneall presents about > > > Catarina Anes Afonso <http://www.geneall.net/P/per_page.php?id=41573> > > - * c. 1460 Pedro Gonçalves Camacho > > connection through Catarina to the Drummonds is not real.It is one of > geneall flops. She was not a Drummond. > > FAD indeed has one line, at least, to John Drummond. It's through the > Pimentel, I think. > > Best regards, > > > Miguel > > > > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Pat Corbera > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Miguel, > > > > I have a Manuel Fernandes Camacho b. abt 1500 m. Maria Pereira parents > > of Manuel Fernandes Camacho b. abt 1530 m. Ines de Andrade. > > > > Not sure if this is the individuals that you're looking for... > > Source for the above - Sapo/GeneAll. > > > > Manuel Fernandes Camacho descends from John Drummond Escorcio, (via > > John's daughter Cararina or Clara Anes Drummond...My notes indicate > > that this daughter is FAD's ancestor). > > > > John DRUMMOND Escorcio is the 2rd great grandfather of Manuel > > Fernandes CAMACHO, the father.). > > > > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2009 3:48:33 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada > > Pacific > > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Camacho > > > > > > > > Does anyone has any info about this couple: > > > > > > Manuel Fernandes (Camacho) m. Maria de Andrade . 1650. S. Gonçalo.? > > > > Thanks in advance for any news. > > > > Miguel > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this > incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.99/2553 - Release Date: 12/10/09 > 07:36:00 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >