if you go to http://www.google.com/books and type in d'agrela you will find some mention of possibly him. I found the following passage: aquelas informacoas sido tambem asseguradas por Pedro Agostinho Pereira d'Agrela da Camara e por aquele Joao Diogo de quem hoave o manuscrito. Eran ambos fithos do Morgado Joao Agostinho Pereira d'Agrela da Camara, por ouja morte, em Favereiro de 1835, ficou herdeiro da copia este ultimo, que era o successor no morgadio. I may not have copied it correctly as it is hard to read and this may or may not be your d'Agrela. Tom Freitas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scot Austin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Help reading certificates/Pereira d'Agrela Miguel, Take a look at this tree: http://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ShowPedigree&pagetitle=Person:Nicolau_Agrela_%281%29 Nicolau is my wife's 4g-grandfather. Can you tell how they fit in? Thanks, Scot Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > Hello David, > > Janette ansered you already. Anyway you must be a "de Agrella" from > Madeira, > transformed in De Grella. And if so Pereira de Agrela the genealogist is > probably your relative, since there are not that many Agrellas in Madeira. > > > Cheers, > > > Miguel > > On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 4:10 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> I'm confused. Who or what is"Pereira d'Agrela"? >> Thanks, >> David DeGrella >> Tennessee, USA >> On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:48:56 -0800 Janette Chun <[email protected]> >> writes: >> >>> Thanks Miguel. I find it quite interesting that the Gois & Mendonca >>> names, although carried by the male line in later generations, seems >>> to have its genesis in the female line with Beatriz, her mother, and >>> now, thanks to you, her grandmother. >>> Turns out that I had heard of Pereira d'Agrela after all. I was >>> going >>> through some old genealogy files yesterday, and lo and behold, >>> thanks >>> to Pat (on this forum) I have about 33 pages of this genealogical >>> record sent to me circa 2002 : )) Thanks Pat! I will have to check >>> my old laptop to see what other treasures I might have stowed away. >>> Janette >>> >>> >>> On 19-Dec-09, at 2:50 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hello Janette, >>>> You're welcome. I am glad I was of some help. Yesterday it was a > >>>> field day >>>> too because I also solved another old genealogical puzzle. Thanks >>>> >>> to Pereira d'Agrela. >>> >>>> Anyway, the Mendonça could come precisely from the first Manuel >>>> Travassos m. >>>> Maria Mendonça. On that era sometimes a name of an ancestor >>>> manifests 2 or >>>> three generations later. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Miguel >>>> >>>> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 6:15 AM, Janette Chun >>>> >>> <[email protected]> >>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hello Miguel, >>>>> >>>>> Wow! Thank you for solving this piece of the puzzle for me. I'm >>>>> sincerely grateful. >>>>> I'm not on the nobility quest but good to know. I'm still at a >>>>> little >>>>> confused on how or where the first Mendonca occurs in this line, but >>>>> hopefully, once I get the documents, more will be revealed. >>>>> Janette >>>>> >>>>> On 18-Dec-09, at 1:32 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Janette, >>>>>> In Pereira de Agrela Tomo 1-6 parte, pg 166 >>>>>> 1 Manuel Travassos m. Maria de Mendonça, they had: >>>>>> 2 - Manuel Travassos. o pequeninho. m. (1609) Isabel de Góis >>>>>> ( dau. of >>>>>> Domingos Martins de Magalhâes and Catarina Nunes), they had: >>>>>> Baltazar >>>>>> Manuel >>>>>> Maria Nunes m. Baltazar de Mendonça Soares >>>>>> Isabel de Castro m. Duarte Teixeira de Vasconcelos >>>>>> Beatriz de Góis m. Luís de Castro Ferreira. son of Diogo de >>>>>> >>> Castro >>> >>>>>> and Luzia >>>>>> Fernandes >>>>>> The Travassos were from the nobility. >>>>>> I don't know where Clode got his idea , but in this particular >>>>>> >> case >> >>>>>> he was >>>>>> not accurate. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Miguel >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Janette Chun >>>>>> >>> <[email protected]> >>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks Miguel. Yes I know of these all except Morgado Pereira >>>>>>> >> de Agrela. I haven't really looked at any of the Clode works, but >> >>> it was >>> >>>>>>> in fact through his work that I was able to get to this >>>>>>> >>> particular >>> >>>>>>> ancestor, thanks to a page from his book, which the archive >>>>>>> >>> sent me >>> >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> the Gois family. >>>>>>> I just recently took out a subscription to geneall but so far >>>>>>> haven't >>>>>>> discovered any new nuggets of information. Will keep looking. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Janette >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 3-Dec-09, at 9:07 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well,>>> You proibably know already all that are available, You >>>>>>>> >> have >> >>>>>>>> Felsiberto, HHN, >>>>>>>> Clode, and FMPS Clode and Meneses and Morgado Pereira de Agrela. >>>>>>>> Geneall has >>>>>>>> some info about Madeira genealogies. And the personal best >>>>>>>> Madeiran >>>>>>>> genealogies are to be found in some of our list colleagues >>>>>>>> I'll try to find out the Travassos in Pereira de Agrela. Once I >>>>>>>> looked for >>>>>>>> them and it had valuable and original info about them. >>>>>>>> At one point some a Travassos (from 15th century) whose alcunha >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>> " O Pequenininho) was the Carcereiro, the man in charge of Porto >>>>>>>> >> Santo prison. >> >>>>>>>> A friend, a nobleman was quite schocked to see him in such a >>>>>>>> station. Whatyou, from the noble Travassos, in such a terrible >>>>>>>> >> job? >> >>>>>>>> The Pequenininho had some flourished and philosophical. answer- >>>>>>>> >> Idon't >> >>>>>>>> recall the terms. But it was somnething like: " Alas my good >>>>>>>> >> friend, >> >>>>>>>> such is >>>>>>>> life that, though God forbid, one day you may be in the same >>>>>>>> position as myself." >>>>>>>> To be called Pequenininho- - is because he was very very small >>>>>>>> >> in stature, but not in dignity. >> >>>>>>>> Miguel >>>>>>>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tom, I think our Pedro was born about 1565. I don't read Portuguese, but it looks like this one was quite a bit later. Did he die in 1835 or was it his son? Scot [email protected] wrote: > if you go to http://www.google.com/books and type in d'agrela you will find > some mention of possibly him. > > I found the following passage: > > aquelas informacoas sido tambem asseguradas por Pedro Agostinho Pereira > d'Agrela da Camara e por aquele Joao Diogo de quem hoave o manuscrito. Eran > ambos fithos do Morgado Joao Agostinho Pereira d'Agrela da Camara, por ouja > morte, em Favereiro de 1835, ficou herdeiro da copia este ultimo, que era o > successor no morgadio. > > I may not have copied it correctly as it is hard to read and this may or may > not be your d'Agrela. > > Tom Freitas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scot Austin" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 10:24 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Help reading certificates/Pereira d'Agrela > > > Miguel, > > Take a look at this tree: > http://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ShowPedigree&pagetitle=Person:Nicolau_Agrela_%281%29 > Nicolau is my wife's 4g-grandfather. Can you tell how they fit in? > > Thanks, Scot > > > Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > >> Hello David, >> >> Janette ansered you already. Anyway you must be a "de Agrella" from >> Madeira, >> transformed in De Grella. And if so Pereira de Agrela the genealogist is >> probably your relative, since there are not that many Agrellas in Madeira. >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> Miguel >> >> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 4:10 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >>> I'm confused. Who or what is"Pereira d'Agrela"? >>> Thanks, >>> David DeGrella >>> Tennessee, USA >>> On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:48:56 -0800 Janette Chun <[email protected]> >>> writes: >>> >>> >>>> Thanks Miguel. I find it quite interesting that the Gois & Mendonca >>>> names, although carried by the male line in later generations, seems >>>> to have its genesis in the female line with Beatriz, her mother, and >>>> now, thanks to you, her grandmother. >>>> Turns out that I had heard of Pereira d'Agrela after all. I was >>>> going >>>> through some old genealogy files yesterday, and lo and behold, >>>> thanks >>>> to Pat (on this forum) I have about 33 pages of this genealogical >>>> record sent to me circa 2002 : )) Thanks Pat! I will have to check >>>> my old laptop to see what other treasures I might have stowed away. >>>> Janette >>>> >>>> >>>> On 19-Dec-09, at 2:50 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hello Janette, >>>>> You're welcome. I am glad I was of some help. Yesterday it was a > >>>>> field day >>>>> too because I also solved another old genealogical puzzle. Thanks >>>>> >>>>> >>>> to Pereira d'Agrela. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Anyway, the Mendonça could come precisely from the first Manuel >>>>> Travassos m. >>>>> Maria Mendonça. On that era sometimes a name of an ancestor >>>>> manifests 2 or >>>>> three generations later. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Miguel >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 6:15 AM, Janette Chun >>>>> >>>>> >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Miguel, >>>>>> >>>>>> Wow! Thank you for solving this piece of the puzzle for me. I'm >>>>>> sincerely grateful. >>>>>> I'm not on the nobility quest but good to know. I'm still at a >>>>>> little >>>>>> confused on how or where the first Mendonca occurs in this line, but >>>>>> hopefully, once I get the documents, more will be revealed. >>>>>> Janette >>>>>> >>>>>> On 18-Dec-09, at 1:32 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Janette, >>>>>>> In Pereira de Agrela Tomo 1-6 parte, pg 166 >>>>>>> 1 Manuel Travassos m. Maria de Mendonça, they had: >>>>>>> 2 - Manuel Travassos. o pequeninho. m. (1609) Isabel de Góis >>>>>>> ( dau. of >>>>>>> Domingos Martins de Magalhâes and Catarina Nunes), they had: >>>>>>> Baltazar >>>>>>> Manuel >>>>>>> Maria Nunes m. Baltazar de Mendonça Soares >>>>>>> Isabel de Castro m. Duarte Teixeira de Vasconcelos >>>>>>> Beatriz de Góis m. Luís de Castro Ferreira. son of Diogo de >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> Castro >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> and Luzia >>>>>>> Fernandes >>>>>>> The Travassos were from the nobility. >>>>>>> I don't know where Clode got his idea , but in this particular >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> case >>> >>> >>>>>>> he was >>>>>>> not accurate. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Miguel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Janette Chun >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks Miguel. Yes I know of these all except Morgado Pereira >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>> de Agrela. I haven't really looked at any of the Clode works, but >>> >>> >>>> it was >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> in fact through his work that I was able to get to this >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> particular >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> ancestor, thanks to a page from his book, which the archive >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> sent me >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> the Gois family. >>>>>>>> I just recently took out a subscription to geneall but so far >>>>>>>> haven't >>>>>>>> discovered any new nuggets of information. Will keep looking. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Janette >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 3-Dec-09, at 9:07 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well,>>> You proibably know already all that are available, You >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> have >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Felsiberto, HHN, >>>>>>>>> Clode, and FMPS Clode and Meneses and Morgado Pereira de Agrela. >>>>>>>>> Geneall has >>>>>>>>> some info about Madeira genealogies. And the personal best >>>>>>>>> Madeiran >>>>>>>>> genealogies are to be found in some of our list colleagues >>>>>>>>> I'll try to find out the Travassos in Pereira de Agrela. Once I >>>>>>>>> looked for >>>>>>>>> them and it had valuable and original info about them. >>>>>>>>> At one point some a Travassos (from 15th century) whose alcunha >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>> " O Pequenininho) was the Carcereiro, the man in charge of Porto >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> Santo prison. >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> A friend, a nobleman was quite schocked to see him in such a >>>>>>>>> station. Whatyou, from the noble Travassos, in such a terrible >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> job? >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> The Pequenininho had some flourished and philosophical. answer- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> Idon't >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> recall the terms. But it was somnething like: " Alas my good >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> friend, >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> such is >>>>>>>>> life that, though God forbid, one day you may be in the same >>>>>>>>> position as myself." >>>>>>>>> To be called Pequenininho- - is because he was very very small >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> in stature, but not in dignity. >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Miguel >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

You can also try Pereira de Agrela in Google books instead of Pereira d'Agrela. On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 10:30 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > if you go to http://www.google.com/books and type in d'agrela you will > find > some mention of possibly him. > > I found the following passage: > > aquelas informacoas sido tambem asseguradas por Pedro Agostinho Pereira > d'Agrela da Camara e por aquele Joao Diogo de quem hoave o manuscrito. > Eran > ambos fithos do Morgado Joao Agostinho Pereira d'Agrela da Camara, por ouja > morte, em Favereiro de 1835, ficou herdeiro da copia este ultimo, que era o > successor no morgadio. > > I may not have copied it correctly as it is hard to read and this may or > may > not be your d'Agrela. > > Tom Freitas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scot Austin" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 10:24 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Help reading certificates/Pereira d'Agrela > > > Miguel, > > Take a look at this tree: > > http://www.werelate.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ShowPedigree&pagetitle=Person:Nicolau_Agrela_%281%29 > Nicolau is my wife's 4g-grandfather. Can you tell how they fit in? > > Thanks, Scot > > > Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > > Hello David, > > > > Janette ansered you already. Anyway you must be a "de Agrella" from > > Madeira, > > transformed in De Grella. And if so Pereira de Agrela the genealogist is > > probably your relative, since there are not that many Agrellas in > Madeira. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Miguel > > > > On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 4:10 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> I'm confused. Who or what is"Pereira d'Agrela"? > >> Thanks, > >> David DeGrella > >> Tennessee, USA > >> On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:48:56 -0800 Janette Chun <[email protected]> > >> writes: > >> > >>> Thanks Miguel. I find it quite interesting that the Gois & Mendonca > >>> names, although carried by the male line in later generations, seems > >>> to have its genesis in the female line with Beatriz, her mother, and > >>> now, thanks to you, her grandmother. > >>> Turns out that I had heard of Pereira d'Agrela after all. I was > >>> going > >>> through some old genealogy files yesterday, and lo and behold, > >>> thanks > >>> to Pat (on this forum) I have about 33 pages of this genealogical > >>> record sent to me circa 2002 : )) Thanks Pat! I will have to check > >>> my old laptop to see what other treasures I might have stowed away. > >>> Janette > >>> > >>> > >>> On 19-Dec-09, at 2:50 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Hello Janette, > >>>> You're welcome. I am glad I was of some help. Yesterday it was a > > >>>> field day > >>>> too because I also solved another old genealogical puzzle. Thanks > >>>> > >>> to Pereira d'Agrela. > >>> > >>>> Anyway, the Mendonça could come precisely from the first Manuel > >>>> Travassos m. > >>>> Maria Mendonça. On that era sometimes a name of an ancestor > >>>> manifests 2 or > >>>> three generations later. > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> Miguel > >>>> > >>>> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 6:15 AM, Janette Chun > >>>> > >>> <[email protected]> > >>> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Hello Miguel, > >>>>> > >>>>> Wow! Thank you for solving this piece of the puzzle for me. I'm > >>>>> sincerely grateful. > >>>>> I'm not on the nobility quest but good to know. I'm still at a > >>>>> little > >>>>> confused on how or where the first Mendonca occurs in this line, but > >>>>> hopefully, once I get the documents, more will be revealed. > >>>>> Janette > >>>>> > >>>>> On 18-Dec-09, at 1:32 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hello Janette, > >>>>>> In Pereira de Agrela Tomo 1-6 parte, pg 166 > >>>>>> 1 Manuel Travassos m. Maria de Mendonça, they had: > >>>>>> 2 - Manuel Travassos. o pequeninho. m. (1609) Isabel de Góis > >>>>>> ( dau. of > >>>>>> Domingos Martins de Magalhâes and Catarina Nunes), they had: > >>>>>> Baltazar > >>>>>> Manuel > >>>>>> Maria Nunes m. Baltazar de Mendonça Soares > >>>>>> Isabel de Castro m. Duarte Teixeira de Vasconcelos > >>>>>> Beatriz de Góis m. Luís de Castro Ferreira. son of Diogo de > >>>>>> > >>> Castro > >>> > >>>>>> and Luzia > >>>>>> Fernandes > >>>>>> The Travassos were from the nobility. > >>>>>> I don't know where Clode got his idea , but in this particular > >>>>>> > >> case > >> > >>>>>> he was > >>>>>> not accurate. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Miguel > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Janette Chun > >>>>>> > >>> <[email protected]> > >>> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks Miguel. Yes I know of these all except Morgado Pereira > >>>>>>> > >> de Agrela. I haven't really looked at any of the Clode works, but > >> > >>> it was > >>> > >>>>>>> in fact through his work that I was able to get to this > >>>>>>> > >>> particular > >>> > >>>>>>> ancestor, thanks to a page from his book, which the archive > >>>>>>> > >>> sent me > >>> > >>>>>>> on > >>>>>>> the Gois family. > >>>>>>> I just recently took out a subscription to geneall but so far > >>>>>>> haven't > >>>>>>> discovered any new nuggets of information. Will keep looking. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Janette > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 3-Dec-09, at 9:07 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Well,>>> You proibably know already all that are available, You > >>>>>>>> > >> have > >> > >>>>>>>> Felsiberto, HHN, > >>>>>>>> Clode, and FMPS Clode and Meneses and Morgado Pereira de Agrela. > >>>>>>>> Geneall has > >>>>>>>> some info about Madeira genealogies. And the personal best > >>>>>>>> Madeiran > >>>>>>>> genealogies are to be found in some of our list colleagues > >>>>>>>> I'll try to find out the Travassos in Pereira de Agrela. Once I > >>>>>>>> looked for > >>>>>>>> them and it had valuable and original info about them. > >>>>>>>> At one point some a Travassos (from 15th century) whose alcunha > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> was > >>>>>>>> " O Pequenininho) was the Carcereiro, the man in charge of Porto > >>>>>>>> > >> Santo prison. > >> > >>>>>>>> A friend, a nobleman was quite schocked to see him in such a > >>>>>>>> station. Whatyou, from the noble Travassos, in such a terrible > >>>>>>>> > >> job? > >> > >>>>>>>> The Pequenininho had some flourished and philosophical. answer- > >>>>>>>> > >> Idon't > >> > >>>>>>>> recall the terms. But it was somnething like: " Alas my good > >>>>>>>> > >> friend, > >> > >>>>>>>> such is > >>>>>>>> life that, though God forbid, one day you may be in the same > >>>>>>>> position as myself." > >>>>>>>> To be called Pequenininho- - is because he was very very small > >>>>>>>> > >> in stature, but not in dignity. > >> > >>>>>>>> Miguel > >>>>>>>> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >