I do not have all the illustrous Chamorras being spoken about as of late...yet. However I do have one - a Pedro Chamorra who married Francisca de Barros abt 1520-1530 my guess. Franciscas parents were Diogo de Barros and Francisca Henriques. I do not know who this Pedro Chamorro's parents are - can anyone tell me by chance? My only other Chamorro is this Pedro & Francisca's daughter, Leonora Chamorro who married Tristão de Barros of Rui de Barros and Macêdo(?). Rui de Barros and Diogo de Barros (first paragragh) were brothers and sons of Pedro Goncalves & Isabel de Barros (again more sons taking their mother's name because...???) Cece

Cece, I guees you have the best Chamorro of all the cards. Pedro Chamorro is documented. He was "homem fidalgo, porteiro dos cativos da Ilha). In short a nobleman high bureaucrat. He is believed to be son of Fernão Chamorro, Escudeiro do Infante D. Henrique. Ir seems he married twice. 1. with Francisca de Barros, from the illustrious Barros and dau. of Diogo de Barros da Cunha and Francisca Henriques - and this Francsica connected to one of the more mysterious and singular figures from Madeira of all times (Of whom tehre is much talk nowadays, and of whom books have been written). And he married a second time with Inês Gonçalves. probably our (José, Paulo's and mine) Chamorros are also linked to those ones. But we have not yet been able to establish a documented firm link to them. Miguel. On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Cece Camara <[email protected]> wrote: > I do not have all the illustrous Chamorras being spoken about as of > late...yet. However I do have one - a Pedro Chamorra who married Francisca > de Barros abt 1520-1530 my guess. Franciscas parents were Diogo de Barros > and Francisca Henriques. I do not know who this Pedro Chamorro's parents > are > - can anyone tell me by chance? > > My only other Chamorro is this Pedro & Francisca's daughter, Leonora > Chamorro who married Tristão de Barros of Rui de Barros and Macêdo(?). > > Rui de Barros and Diogo de Barros (first paragragh) were brothers and sons > of Pedro Goncalves & Isabel de Barros (again more sons taking their > mother's > name because...???) > > Cece > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Cece, I have the following: Source: Posting from Prt-Madeira by Miguel Castro Henriques...Jan 21, 2008 " Hi Leandro, You're in your lucky day because someone just send me Genealogias Faialenses, a very rare and out of print genealogical book about families from Ilha do Faial, Açores. Título XXXI UTRAS Procedem da mais nobre geração flamenga com residencia na cidade de Bruges, Fixaram-se no Faial ao terminar do século XV em três linhas. Jorge d'Utra (originalmente Josse Van Hurtere), primeiro donatário, e Josina d'Utra. sua irmã, filhos de Léo Van Hurtere, bailio de Wynendael, senhor do senhorio feudal de Aghebrone (Haeghebrouc) e Balduíno d'Utra, proximo parente daqueles. e não irmão como erradamrmte disseram alguns historiadores. Jorge D'Ura married Beatriz de Macedo (she died in 1531) they had Catarina de Macedo m. Rui Barros natural da Ilha da madeira. Probably from this last couple comes your Barnabé ? (I think they are the origin of the Utras in Madeira) A question your Utras were Corte Real? (D' Utra Corte Real) - in that case - though close relatives - they ! come from another branch. Hope this helps, Miguel" Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cece Camara" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, January 8, 2010 4:06:22 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Chamorra I do not have all the illustrous Chamorras being spoken about as of late...yet. However I do have one - a Pedro Chamorra who married Francisca de Barros abt 1520-1530 my guess. Franciscas parents were Diogo de Barros and Francisca Henriques. I do not know who this Pedro Chamorro's parents are - can anyone tell me by chance? My only other Chamorro is this Pedro & Francisca's daughter, Leonora Chamorro who married Tristão de Barros of Rui de Barros and Macêdo(?). Rui de Barros and Diogo de Barros (first paragragh) were brothers and sons of Pedro Goncalves & Isabel de Barros (again more sons taking their mother's name because...???) Cece ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message