Hello Miguel: I am glad that you have been able to use what I had. It is good for all of us on the list to be able to help each other. You are welcome, Mary -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Miguel de Castro Henriques Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Gaula for Miguel Hello Mary, Thanks to your data I was able to trace the ascendants of Maria da Mata m. Pedro Gonçalves (slave), parents of Simoa da Mata m. André Martins It's a spectacular case of social mobility, indeed, especially for Pedro Gonçalves the slave, because Maria da Mata is the 4th g.daughter of João Rodrigues Teixeira "O Gordo", FCR (nobleman of the Royal House), the 3d g.daughter of Afonso da Mata, Escudeiro (minor nobility), and 2d g. daugther of Álvaro Gonçalves and Isabel Arrais de Mendonça. (Isabel Arrais from the nobility). André Martins as I suspected, is a Martins da Mata, son, and g.son of two other André Martins, and also descendant of Álvaro Gonçalves and Isabel Arrais de Mendonça. and also of the old and well known Afonso da Mata - The names of the testemunhas some morgados, in all these marriages and some Ornelas, Teles de Meneses (la créme de la crème of Gaula) etc. pointed to something. Now i can see why they fit in the whole picture. As to the second marriage of Simoa, it's not surprising. She was perhaps a beautiful mulatto woman with a good pedigree. Anyway Pedro Gonçalves to have married Maria da Mata (dau. of João Martins and ( m. 1576) Juliana Rodrigues had to be escravo forro. Because after all, she was the 4th g.daugther of "The Gordo", This is quite telling about madeiran society. It talks of a mobile society in that time, if not anywhere, at least in Gaula.. Thanks again, Miguel On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Mary Frost <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Miguel: > > > > I have returned from the local FHC and re-examined the records in question. > > > > The record for Francisco da Mata Caldeira and Isabel de Freitas 878-270 was > very faded on the film. I do believe that the parents of Francisco were > Miguel Martins and Isabel Rodrigues. There is a note in the record after > the > groom's mother's name that I cannot decipher due to poor quality of the > film. It refers to Miguel Martins and says something about Jose. Sorry but > I > could barely see it on the page. > > > > I have nothing more to add regarding the parentage of Isabel de Freitas, > but > it does appear that her father only used one last name and her mother was > also Isabel de Freitas and that all of them lived in Lugar de Canico. I was > able to pick out another name in the document- Miguel Manuel Barreto. There > was the signature of Joseph Teles de Meneses and also of Joao da Gama > Pereira and what appeared to be an X next to the name of a Manuel Gameto? > There were also two other unclear signatures. > > > > Record 879-147v mostly unreadable except for margin notes. Felipe da Mata, > son of Pedro Goncalves and Maria Jorge married Isabel da Mata daughter of > Joao Rodrigues and (possibly) Bartoleza or . The document was signed by > Francisco Nunes Leal and Francisco de Ornelas (unclear). > > > > Record 879 151 Nov 9, 1690 Andre Martins and Simoa da Mata: son of Andre > Martins and Isabel Vieira (deceased), daughter of Pedro Goncalves and Maria > Jorge, all living in the freguesia Nossa Senhora da Luz. Testamentos > Francisco de Ornelas de Camara and Joao (unclear) de Vasconcelos, Morgado > de > Sam Joam. Cura Domingos da Mata, signed by Joseph Teles de Meneses. Very > clear and easy to read. > > > > 878-168 June 15, 1654 (very dark on film) Francisco da Mata son of Miguel > Martins and Isabel Rodrigues? of Canico married Isabel da Mata daughter of > Miguel Afonso and Francisca da Mata, deceased. Record hard to read but > signed at the bottom by what appears to be Manuel de Couto? The record is > also signed along the side vertically in the margin by a Joao (unclear) and > Manuel Teixeira (Cardoso?). > > > > 878 159 Aug 30, 1649 Pedro Goncalves son of Pedro Goncalves escravo (no > forro) and his wife Maria de Mata (deceased) married Maria Jorge daughter > of > Francisco Fernandes and his wife Ana Jorge?. It was signed by Manuel > Teixiera C(unclear) and Mathias (unclear) > > > > 877 82v Jan 27, 1624 Maria da Mata (her name first in record) daughter of > Joao Martins? (unclear) (deceased) and Juliana Rodrigues of this freguesia > married Pero Goncalves (unclear) of (looks like) Rodrigo Afonco and Isabel > de (unclear) of Santa Cruz. Cura Padre Pero Lopes, signed by Jorge Monis de > Meneses, Baltazar Rodrigues and Manuel de (Paiva?) > > > > I hope this helps. The film is still on film here. If there is anything > else > you need, let me know and I will try to look again in the future. > > > > Mary > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message