Jose, You said: "By the way, the children for this couple are: Pedro Chamorro da Cunha, Paio Rodrigues Pais, Helena Pais, Ines Pais, Brites Chamoora who marries our Francisco". Who are you speaking of when you say "this couple"? Because I show all different names for the children of Pedro Chamorro and Francisca de Barros. Ana de Barros, Aldonca de Barros, Barbara de Barros (x2) & Leonor Chamorro. cece -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Fernandes, Jose Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 8:15 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Chamorra And cecce...these are parents to our Brites Chamorra who marries Francisco Rodrigues de Gouveia....if Miguel is not right about the italian connection...! By the way according to Vaz Beatriz Chamorra(Brites) is daughter of Pedro Chamorro and Ines Alvares or Gonçalves or perhaps of Francisca de Barros. You take your pick. By the way, the children for this couple are: Pedro Chamorro da Cunha, Paio Rodrigues Pais, Helena Pais, Ines Pais, Brites Chamoora who marries our Francisco. Now all of this according to the venerable Cónego Vaz! Do you want more confusion? In her will Beatriz Chamorra married to Diogo Pais is said not to have mentioned Brites married to Francisco. Was she her daughter and if not, MIGUEL, this may mean that she was not and therefore Beatriz married to Francisco is a Leão? What do you think of that? Anyone else out there confused? José -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Fernandes, Jose Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 8:58 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Chamorra Well Cecce your Chamorro is also illustrious and mine also! These were parents to Brites Chamorra who led that famous fight and won for the Cunha name. Don't know who Pedro's parents are, other than he is a Chamorro. Barros was and continues to be a "good" name. José -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cece Camara Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 7:06 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Chamorra I do not have all the illustrous Chamorras being spoken about as of late...yet. However I do have one - a Pedro Chamorra who married Francisca de Barros abt 1520-1530 my guess. Franciscas parents were Diogo de Barros and Francisca Henriques. I do not know who this Pedro Chamorro's parents are - can anyone tell me by chance? My only other Chamorro is this Pedro & Francisca's daughter, Leonora Chamorro who married Tristão de Barros of Rui de Barros and Macêdo(?). Rui de Barros and Diogo de Barros (first paragragh) were brothers and sons of Pedro Goncalves & Isabel de Barros (again more sons taking their mother's name because...???) Cece ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 270.14.119/2586 - Release Date: 01/08/10 07:35:00
Cecce, These are the children of Brites (Beatriz) Chamorra married to Diogo Pais de Carvalho. She is the daughter, if one believes Vaz, of Pedro and Francisca. Thus ister to your listed names. Note that in the Carvalhos Pais genealogy by Vaz (you should have that one also!) Vaz expands on the Rodrigues De Gouveia. José -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cece Camara Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 8:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Chamorra Jose, You said: "By the way, the children for this couple are: Pedro Chamorro da Cunha, Paio Rodrigues Pais, Helena Pais, Ines Pais, Brites Chamoora who marries our Francisco". Who are you speaking of when you say "this couple"? Because I show all different names for the children of Pedro Chamorro and Francisca de Barros. Ana de Barros, Aldonca de Barros, Barbara de Barros (x2) & Leonor Chamorro. cece -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Fernandes, Jose Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 8:15 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Chamorra And cecce...these are parents to our Brites Chamorra who marries Francisco Rodrigues de Gouveia....if Miguel is not right about the italian connection...! By the way according to Vaz Beatriz Chamorra(Brites) is daughter of Pedro Chamorro and Ines Alvares or Gonçalves or perhaps of Francisca de Barros. You take your pick. By the way, the children for this couple are: Pedro Chamorro da Cunha, Paio Rodrigues Pais, Helena Pais, Ines Pais, Brites Chamoora who marries our Francisco. Now all of this according to the venerable Cónego Vaz! Do you want more confusion? In her will Beatriz Chamorra married to Diogo Pais is said not to have mentioned Brites married to Francisco. Was she her daughter and if not, MIGUEL, this may mean that she was not and therefore Beatriz married to Francisco is a Leão? What do you think of that? Anyone else out there confused? José -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Fernandes, Jose Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 8:58 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Chamorra Well Cecce your Chamorro is also illustrious and mine also! These were parents to Brites Chamorra who led that famous fight and won for the Cunha name. Don't know who Pedro's parents are, other than he is a Chamorro. Barros was and continues to be a "good" name. José
ok - so apparently I did not yet have this particular Brites Chamorro (married to Diego Pais de Carvalho)...and no I do not have the Carvalho Pais so would of course be appreciative if you could share it ;-) Also, obviously at this time it would be good for me to go back amd reread all the posts concerning this and who believes what as it sounds like there are some differences of opinion ;-) Cece -----Original Message----- From: Fernandes, Jose [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 8:18 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: RE: [PT-MADEIRA] Chamorra Cecce, These are the children of Brites (Beatriz) Chamorra married to Diogo Pais de Carvalho. She is the daughter, if one believes Vaz, of Pedro and Francisca. Thus ister to your listed names. Note that in the Carvalhos Pais genealogy by Vaz (you should have that one also!) Vaz expands on the Rodrigues De Gouveia. José -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cece Camara Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 8:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Chamorra Jose, You said: "By the way, the children for this couple are: Pedro Chamorro da Cunha, Paio Rodrigues Pais, Helena Pais, Ines Pais, Brites Chamoora who marries our Francisco". Who are you speaking of when you say "this couple"? Because I show all different names for the children of Pedro Chamorro and Francisca de Barros. Ana de Barros, Aldonca de Barros, Barbara de Barros (x2) & Leonor Chamorro. cece -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Fernandes, Jose Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 8:15 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Chamorra And cecce...these are parents to our Brites Chamorra who marries Francisco Rodrigues de Gouveia....if Miguel is not right about the italian connection...! By the way according to Vaz Beatriz Chamorra(Brites) is daughter of Pedro Chamorro and Ines Alvares or Gonçalves or perhaps of Francisca de Barros. You take your pick. By the way, the children for this couple are: Pedro Chamorro da Cunha, Paio Rodrigues Pais, Helena Pais, Ines Pais, Brites Chamoora who marries our Francisco. Now all of this according to the venerable Cónego Vaz! Do you want more confusion? In her will Beatriz Chamorra married to Diogo Pais is said not to have mentioned Brites married to Francisco. Was she her daughter and if not, MIGUEL, this may mean that she was not and therefore Beatriz married to Francisco is a Leão? What do you think of that? Anyone else out there confused? José -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Fernandes, Jose Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 8:58 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Chamorra Well Cecce your Chamorro is also illustrious and mine also! These were parents to Brites Chamorra who led that famous fight and won for the Cunha name. Don't know who Pedro's parents are, other than he is a Chamorro. Barros was and continues to be a "good" name. José No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 270.14.131/2609 - Release Date: 01/09/10 07:35:00