Pat, Yes, both Henry Nobrega and Francisca da Silva are related to me. Francisca da Silva is my great-grandmother. Henry Nobrega closed the letter with "Your nephew...". So Henry appears to be a son of a sibling of Francisca. I believe that would make Henry a First Cousin twice removed to me. My father's sister had this letter along with some other documents in family records she had kept after her parent's deaths. Would you like me to send you a scan of the letter? David DeGrella Tennessee, USA On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 03:02:06 +0000 (UTC) Pat Corbera <[email protected]> writes: > David, > > Is Henry Nobrega and Francisca da Silva related to you? How did > you obtain this letter? > > Pat > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "david-nancy degrella" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, January 1, 2010 6:08:20 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada > Pacific > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Nobrega Clan > > Denise and Pat, > > In our family papers, we have a letter dated May 20, 1962, which > was > written by a Henry Nobrega to his aunt Francisca da Silva in New > York. > The letter was written from aboard the U.S. Navy ship "Niagara". It > is > in Portuguese and in the letter, Henry Nobrega asks about news from > Madeira. The USS Niagara home port was Boston. With Massachusetts > and > Nobrega and Silva all in this series of posts, can either of you > make > any connections? I know the time frame is different, but maybe > Massachusetts was chosen to come to because of relatives already > there. > Thanks, > David DeGrella > Tennessee, USA > > On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:22:01 +0000 (UTC) Pat Corbera > <[email protected]> writes: > > Hi Denise, > > > > I located a New York Passenger Lists. 1820-1957> 1920> October>16> > > > Manchuria > > Sailing from St. Michael's (Sao Miguel, Azores) Oct. 9, 1920 > > (Source: Ancestry.com) > > > > Line 10 Chicharo, Jose N. age 20 married laborer > > Line 11 Chicharo, Eliza A. age 16 wife domestic > > from Canico... Next of kin is father Jose N. Chicharro - Canico > > Final Destination - Cambridge MA > > Joining - Uncle Pedro Nobrega - 76 Fifth St. Cambridge, Mass. > > > > Denise, I think this is our connection. This must be Luis' > brother, > > that your dad said lived in Cambridge, MA. > > > > Jose and Eliza/Elisa are my cousin, Joe's maternal grandparents. > > > > What additional info do you have on Luis' family...? > > > > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Pat Corbera" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:11:16 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada > > Pacific > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Nobrega Clan > > > > Denise, > > > > This is interesting Clarisse Goncalves de Freitas and Luis Nobrega > > > Chicharro... there must be a connection with Joseph Nobrega > > Chicharro and Elisa Freitas. > > > > Joseph Nobrega Chicharro born abt 1900 and Elisa Freitas born abt > > > 1914... What are the birth dates for your Clarisse and Luis? > > > > I remember seeing Cambridge MA on the census as being in Middlesex > > > County... Joe's (my cousin) family lived in Lowell, also Middlesex > > > County. > > > > I think Mary Silva Frost, one of our list members also either > > lives/lived or has family from Lowell... Maybe her Silvas are also > > > linked with this family. > > > > To add to this mystery/search of finding family, I recently came > > across a Manuel Jardim, while viewing the ARM Passport Records... > > > his father is listed with a surname of da Silva Se' and his > mother's > > maiden name is Jardim... long story short he is the brother of my > > > maternal grandfather, Antonio da Silva Se'... I would never had > > connected him to my da Silva Se' family had it not been for ARM > > online input. > > > > I think some ancestors/relatives want to be found, while others > > continue to play > > "hide and seek." ;-)). > > > > Pat > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:16:21 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada > > Pacific > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Nobrega Clan > > > > Thanks Pat. My aunt was Clarisse Goncalves de Freitas from Sao > > Martinho. > > My father said that Luis had a brother that lived in Cambridge > MA. > > > > Denise D'Antona > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

David, You probably have already posted all the info that you do have, but if you don't mind, would you start with yourself working back to your parent, grandparents, etc. Plus include any know aunts/uncles/cousins... Yes, it would be nice to see a scanned copy of whatever you have. Just send them to my e-mail address: [email protected] I have Agrela/Agrellas in my data base, plus I know of two people that also have ancestors with that surname from Madeira, hopefully we all can help you with your research... ;-)). Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "david-nancy degrella" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2010 9:59:35 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Nobrega Clan Pat, Yes, both Henry Nobrega and Francisca da Silva are related to me. Francisca da Silva is my great-grandmother. Henry Nobrega closed the letter with "Your nephew...". So Henry appears to be a son of a sibling of Francisca. I believe that would make Henry a First Cousin twice removed to me. My father's sister had this letter along with some other documents in family records she had kept after her parent's deaths. Would you like me to send you a scan of the letter? David DeGrella Tennessee, USA On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 03:02:06 +0000 (UTC) Pat Corbera <[email protected]> writes: > David, > > Is Henry Nobrega and Francisca da Silva related to you? How did > you obtain this letter? > > Pat > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "david-nancy degrella" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, January 1, 2010 6:08:20 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada > Pacific > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Nobrega Clan > > Denise and Pat, > > In our family papers, we have a letter dated May 20, 1962, which > was > written by a Henry Nobrega to his aunt Francisca da Silva in New > York. > The letter was written from aboard the U.S. Navy ship "Niagara". It > is > in Portuguese and in the letter, Henry Nobrega asks about news from > Madeira. The USS Niagara home port was Boston. With Massachusetts > and > Nobrega and Silva all in this series of posts, can either of you > make > any connections? I know the time frame is different, but maybe > Massachusetts was chosen to come to because of relatives already > there. > Thanks, > David DeGrella > Tennessee, USA > > On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:22:01 +0000 (UTC) Pat Corbera > <[email protected]> writes: > > Hi Denise, > > > > I located a New York Passenger Lists. 1820-1957> 1920> October>16> > > > Manchuria > > Sailing from St. Michael's (Sao Miguel, Azores) Oct. 9, 1920 > > (Source: Ancestry.com) > > > > Line 10 Chicharo, Jose N. age 20 married laborer > > Line 11 Chicharo, Eliza A. age 16 wife domestic > > from Canico... Next of kin is father Jose N. Chicharro - Canico > > Final Destination - Cambridge MA > > Joining - Uncle Pedro Nobrega - 76 Fifth St. Cambridge, Mass. > > > > Denise, I think this is our connection. This must be Luis' > brother, > > that your dad said lived in Cambridge, MA. > > > > Jose and Eliza/Elisa are my cousin, Joe's maternal grandparents. > > > > What additional info do you have on Luis' family...? > > > > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Pat Corbera" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:11:16 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada > > Pacific > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Nobrega Clan > > > > Denise, > > > > This is interesting Clarisse Goncalves de Freitas and Luis Nobrega > > > Chicharro... there must be a connection with Joseph Nobrega > > Chicharro and Elisa Freitas. > > > > Joseph Nobrega Chicharro born abt 1900 and Elisa Freitas born abt > > > 1914... What are the birth dates for your Clarisse and Luis? > > > > I remember seeing Cambridge MA on the census as being in Middlesex > > > County... Joe's (my cousin) family lived in Lowell, also Middlesex > > > County. > > > > I think Mary Silva Frost, one of our list members also either > > lives/lived or has family from Lowell... Maybe her Silvas are also > > > linked with this family. > > > > To add to this mystery/search of finding family, I recently came > > across a Manuel Jardim, while viewing the ARM Passport Records... > > > his father is listed with a surname of da Silva Se' and his > mother's > > maiden name is Jardim... long story short he is the brother of my > > > maternal grandfather, Antonio da Silva Se'... I would never had > > connected him to my da Silva Se' family had it not been for ARM > > online input. > > > > I think some ancestors/relatives want to be found, while others > > continue to play > > "hide and seek." ;-)). > > > > Pat > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:16:21 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada > > Pacific > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Nobrega Clan > > > > Thanks Pat. My aunt was Clarisse Goncalves de Freitas from Sao > > Martinho. > > My father said that Luis had a brother that lived in Cambridge > MA. > > > > Denise D'Antona > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message