Miguel/Cecce There are other postings that may clear this up but let me add that according to Vaz there were no two marriages, but it makes sense, and once again according to Vaz our Beatriz Chamorra married to Francisco was from the Chamorros from Santo António, thus indirectly connecting them to Pedro Chamorro. The problem is that this Beatriz does not seem to have any parents! José -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Miguel de Castro Henriques Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:32 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Chamorra Cece, I guees you have the best Chamorro of all the cards. Pedro Chamorro is documented. He was "homem fidalgo, porteiro dos cativos da Ilha). In short a nobleman high bureaucrat. He is believed to be son of Fernão Chamorro, Escudeiro do Infante D. Henrique. Ir seems he married twice. 1. with Francisca de Barros, from the illustrious Barros and dau. of Diogo de Barros da Cunha and Francisca Henriques - and this Francsica connected to one of the more mysterious and singular figures from Madeira of all times (Of whom tehre is much talk nowadays, and of whom books have been written). And he married a second time with Inês Gonçalves. probably our (José, Paulo's and mine) Chamorros are also linked to those ones. But we have not yet been able to establish a documented firm link to them. Miguel.

Miguel- if you are not exercising I am thinking! What if Beatriz 's mother is Inês Gonçalves? Does that then gives us the Gonçalves and perhaps the Leão? It is a cold day in Toronto. Only -12 C. José -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Fernandes, Jose Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:45 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Chamorra Miguel/Cecce There are other postings that may clear this up but let me add that according to Vaz there were no two marriages, but it makes sense, and once again according to Vaz our Beatriz Chamorra married to Francisco was from the Chamorros from Santo António, thus indirectly connecting them to Pedro Chamorro. The problem is that this Beatriz does not seem to have any parents! José -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Miguel de Castro Henriques Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:32 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Chamorra Cece, I guees you have the best Chamorro of all the cards. Pedro Chamorro is documented. He was "homem fidalgo, porteiro dos cativos da Ilha). In short a nobleman high bureaucrat. He is believed to be son of Fernão Chamorro, Escudeiro do Infante D. Henrique. Ir seems he married twice. 1. with Francisca de Barros, from the illustrious Barros and dau. of Diogo de Barros da Cunha and Francisca Henriques - and this Francsica connected to one of the more mysterious and singular figures from Madeira of all times (Of whom tehre is much talk nowadays, and of whom books have been written). And he married a second time with Inês Gonçalves. probably our (José, Paulo's and mine) Chamorros are also linked to those ones. But we have not yet been able to establish a documented firm link to them. Miguel. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, I also thought the same. It makes sense. Furthermore it's known - by Clode at least - that Pedro Chamooro married twice. Problem is: how do we validate the connection? It+s a strong conjecture, no doubt. On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Fernandes, Jose < [email protected]> wrote: > Miguel- if you are not exercising > I am thinking! What if Beatriz 's mother is Inês Gonçalves? Does that then > gives us the Gonçalves and perhaps the Leão? > It is a cold day in Toronto. Only -12 C. > > José > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Fernandes, Jose > Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:45 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Chamorra > > Miguel/Cecce > > There are other postings that may clear this up but let me add that > according to Vaz there were no two marriages, but it makes sense, and once > again according to Vaz our Beatriz Chamorra married to Francisco was from > the Chamorros from Santo António, thus indirectly connecting them to Pedro > Chamorro. > The problem is that this Beatriz does not seem to have any parents! > > José > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Miguel de Castro Henriques > Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:32 AM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Chamorra > > Cece, > > I guees you have the best Chamorro of all the cards. > > Pedro Chamorro is documented. He was "homem fidalgo, porteiro dos cativos > da > Ilha). In short a nobleman high bureaucrat. He is believed to be son of > Fernão Chamorro, Escudeiro do Infante D. Henrique. > > > Ir seems he married twice. 1. with Francisca de Barros, from the > illustrious > Barros and dau. of Diogo de Barros da Cunha and Francisca Henriques - and > this Francsica connected to one of the more mysterious and singular figures > from Madeira of all times (Of whom tehre is much talk nowadays, and of whom > books have been written). And he married a second time with Inês Gonçalves. > > probably our (José, Paulo's and mine) Chamorros are also linked to those > ones. But we have not yet been able to establish a documented firm link to > them. > > > Miguel. > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >