Pat, I have marriage records from the Madeira Archives for: Alexandre de Agrella and Francisca Candida, 1851 (which has been translated for me into English); Joao de Agrella and Anna Maria Joaquina, 1804; Antonio Jose Goncalves and Isabel Joaquina, 1792 (the later two have not been translated. The attempt to do it myself was a failure.). The information I have on the marriage of Joao de Agrella and Perpetura Rose in Arco da Calheta on May 31, 1827, was provided by a member of this list several years ago. I was unable to find any apparent matches on the Madeira Archives web site for the family of Francisca Candida. David On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:22:55 +0000 (UTC) Pat Corbera <[email protected]> writes: > Denise and David, > > Denise, the posting/e-mail exchange that focused on the name of > "Chicaro," had to do with my cousin...at this point I'm not too sure > it was anything to do with David's research...but I need to re-read > that complete exchange. > > David, > > Have you obtained copies of the vital records from the Madeira > Archives for your ancestors that you listed on the pedigree chart > that you sent to me? > > Pat > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2010 1:26:53 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada > Pacific > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Nobrega Clan > > > Hi Pat and David, > > Pat - I am so sorry, I think I missed a post somewhere and never > answered > you. > Unfortunately, I do not know the names of Luis' parents because I > have > never viewed the Cani�o films. I do have his birthdate of 25 Aug > 1906 and he > died in Pico do Funcho, S�o Martinho, Funchal on 21 Sep 1986. > Clarisse was > born in the same Pico do Funcho on 14 Oct 1912 and died there 28 > May 1987. > They did not have any children. They were married around 1960. I > agree > with you that the Chicaro name is a key connection here and I would > love to > pursue it. If you have access to the Cani�o films, maybe you > could look > up Luis' birth record and get his parents names, that seems to be > what we > need right now. > Maybe that information would help establish a link with David as > well. > > Denise D'Antona > > In a message dated 1/1/2010 9:42:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Denise and Pat, > > In our family papers, we have a letter dated May 20, 1962, which > was > written by a Henry Nobrega to his aunt Francisca da Silva in New > York. > The letter was written from aboard the U.S. Navy ship "Niagara". > It is > in Portuguese and in the letter, Henry Nobrega asks about news from > Madeira. The USS Niagara home port was Boston. With Massachusetts > and > Nobrega and Silva all in this series of posts, can either of you > make > any connections? I know the time frame is different, but maybe > Massachusetts was chosen to come to because of relatives already > there. > Thanks, > David DeGrella > Tennessee, USA > > On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:22:01 +0000 (UTC) Pat Corbera > <[email protected]> writes: > > Hi Denise, > > > > I located a New York Passenger Lists. 1820-1957> 1920> > October>16> > > Manchuria > > Sailing from St. Michael's (Sao Miguel, Azores) Oct. 9, 1920 > > (Source: Ancestry.com) > > > > Line 10 Chicharo, Jose N. age 20 married laborer > > Line 11 Chicharo, Eliza A. age 16 wife domestic > > from Canico... Next of kin is father Jose N. Chicharro - Canico > > Final Destination - Cambridge MA > > Joining - Uncle Pedro Nobrega - 76 Fifth St. Cambridge, Mass. > > > > Denise, I think this is our connection. This must be Luis' > brother, > > that your dad said lived in Cambridge, MA. > > > > Jose and Eliza/Elisa are my cousin, Joe's maternal grandparents. > > > > What additional info do you have on Luis' family...? > > > > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Pat Corbera" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:11:16 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada > > Pacific > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Nobrega Clan > > > > Denise, > > > > This is interesting Clarisse Goncalves de Freitas and Luis > Nobrega > > Chicharro... there must be a connection with Joseph Nobrega > > Chicharro and Elisa Freitas. > > > > Joseph Nobrega Chicharro born abt 1900 and Elisa Freitas born abt > > > 1914... What are the birth dates for your Clarisse and Luis? > > > > I remember seeing Cambridge MA on the census as being in > Middlesex > > County... Joe's (my cousin) family lived in Lowell, also > Middlesex > > County. > > > > I think Mary Silva Frost, one of our list members also either > > lives/lived or has family from Lowell... Maybe her Silvas are > also > > linked with this family. > > > > To add to this mystery/search of finding family, I recently came > > across a Manuel Jardim, while viewing the ARM Passport Records... > > > his father is listed with a surname of da Silva Se' and his > mother's > > maiden name is Jardim... long story short he is the brother of my > > > maternal grandfather, Antonio da Silva Se'... I would never had > > connected him to my da Silva Se' family had it not been for ARM > > online input. > > > > I think some ancestors/relatives want to be found, while others > > continue to play > > "hide and seek." ;-)). > > > > Pat > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:16:21 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada > > Pacific > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Nobrega Clan > > > > Thanks Pat. My aunt was Clarisse Goncalves de Freitas from Sao > > Martinho. > > My father said that Luis had a brother that lived in Cambridge > MA. > > > > Denise D'Antona > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
David, Scan and send the records that you do have from the Archives, and I'll see if I can translate them for you.. I found the marriage info for Joao de Agrella and Perpetua Rosa on the Archive Data Base this morning... it's ... Marriage May 31, 1827 Arco da Calheta - 1827 Book 1034 Page 39... Is that what was provided to you "years ago?" I also did not locate any info for Francisca Candida da Silva on the Archive site either. I was hoping that their marriage record would provide a location/village for her. Since they married in the Se' in Funchal, it's possible that she was not from there... If you feel comfortable about scanning the records that you do have and sending them to me... I'd be more than happy to see if I can add additional info for you. Who did the English translation for you? Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "david-nancy degrella" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2010 1:39:16 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Nobrega Clan Pat, I have marriage records from the Madeira Archives for: Alexandre de Agrella and Francisca Candida, 1851 (which has been translated for me into English); Joao de Agrella and Anna Maria Joaquina, 1804; Antonio Jose Goncalves and Isabel Joaquina, 1792 (the later two have not been translated. The attempt to do it myself was a failure.). The information I have on the marriage of Joao de Agrella and Perpetura Rose in Arco da Calheta on May 31, 1827, was provided by a member of this list several years ago. I was unable to find any apparent matches on the Madeira Archives web site for the family of Francisca Candida. David On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:22:55 +0000 (UTC) Pat Corbera <[email protected]> writes: > Denise and David, > > Denise, the posting/e-mail exchange that focused on the name of > "Chicaro," had to do with my cousin...at this point I'm not too sure > it was anything to do with David's research...but I need to re-read > that complete exchange. > > David, > > Have you obtained copies of the vital records from the Madeira > Archives for your ancestors that you listed on the pedigree chart > that you sent to me? > > Pat > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2010 1:26:53 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada > Pacific > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Nobrega Clan > > > Hi Pat and David, > > Pat - I am so sorry, I think I missed a post somewhere and never > answered > you. > Unfortunately, I do not know the names of Luis' parents because I > have > never viewed the Cani�o films. I do have his birthdate of 25 Aug > 1906 and he > died in Pico do Funcho, S�o Martinho, Funchal on 21 Sep 1986. > Clarisse was > born in the same Pico do Funcho on 14 Oct 1912 and died there 28 > May 1987. > They did not have any children. They were married around 1960. I > agree > with you that the Chicaro name is a key connection here and I would > love to > pursue it. If you have access to the Cani�o films, maybe you > could look > up Luis' birth record and get his parents names, that seems to be > what we > need right now. > Maybe that information would help establish a link with David as > well. > > Denise D'Antona > > In a message dated 1/1/2010 9:42:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Denise and Pat, > > In our family papers, we have a letter dated May 20, 1962, which > was > written by a Henry Nobrega to his aunt Francisca da Silva in New > York. > The letter was written from aboard the U.S. Navy ship "Niagara". > It is > in Portuguese and in the letter, Henry Nobrega asks about news from > Madeira. The USS Niagara home port was Boston. With Massachusetts > and > Nobrega and Silva all in this series of posts, can either of you > make > any connections? I know the time frame is different, but maybe > Massachusetts was chosen to come to because of relatives already > there. > Thanks, > David DeGrella > Tennessee, USA > > On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:22:01 +0000 (UTC) Pat Corbera > <[email protected]> writes: > > Hi Denise, > > > > I located a New York Passenger Lists. 1820-1957> 1920> > October>16> > > Manchuria > > Sailing from St. Michael's (Sao Miguel, Azores) Oct. 9, 1920 > > (Source: Ancestry.com) > > > > Line 10 Chicharo, Jose N. age 20 married laborer > > Line 11 Chicharo, Eliza A. age 16 wife domestic > > from Canico... Next of kin is father Jose N. Chicharro - Canico > > Final Destination - Cambridge MA > > Joining - Uncle Pedro Nobrega - 76 Fifth St. Cambridge, Mass. > > > > Denise, I think this is our connection. This must be Luis' > brother, > > that your dad said lived in Cambridge, MA. > > > > Jose and Eliza/Elisa are my cousin, Joe's maternal grandparents. > > > > What additional info do you have on Luis' family...? > > > > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Pat Corbera" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:11:16 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada > > Pacific > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Nobrega Clan > > > > Denise, > > > > This is interesting Clarisse Goncalves de Freitas and Luis > Nobrega > > Chicharro... there must be a connection with Joseph Nobrega > > Chicharro and Elisa Freitas. > > > > Joseph Nobrega Chicharro born abt 1900 and Elisa Freitas born abt > > > 1914... What are the birth dates for your Clarisse and Luis? > > > > I remember seeing Cambridge MA on the census as being in > Middlesex > > County... Joe's (my cousin) family lived in Lowell, also > Middlesex > > County. > > > > I think Mary Silva Frost, one of our list members also either > > lives/lived or has family from Lowell... Maybe her Silvas are > also > > linked with this family. > > > > To add to this mystery/search of finding family, I recently came > > across a Manuel Jardim, while viewing the ARM Passport Records... > > > his father is listed with a surname of da Silva Se' and his > mother's > > maiden name is Jardim... long story short he is the brother of my > > > maternal grandfather, Antonio da Silva Se'... I would never had > > connected him to my da Silva Se' family had it not been for ARM > > online input. > > > > I think some ancestors/relatives want to be found, while others > > continue to play > > "hide and seek." ;-)). > > > > Pat > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:16:21 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada > > Pacific > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Nobrega Clan > > > > Thanks Pat. My aunt was Clarisse Goncalves de Freitas from Sao > > Martinho. > > My father said that Luis had a brother that lived in Cambridge > MA. > > > > Denise D'Antona > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message