How do you know that he was Fidalgo da Casa Real? Paulo Miguel de Castro Henriques <[email protected]> wrote in Fri, 8 Jan 2010 00:39:04 +0000: > Pero Feo is probably from the Feios Lobos --- Procedem de Pêro Feio, > fidalgo da Casa Real, que casou duas vezes, uma com Maria Calaça e outra com > Maria Rodrigues em 1552, na Sé. > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> I found an old marriage register to which I did not concede much >> importance at the time. Now I see that it connects with a discussion about >> F.co Rodrigues de Gouveia we had here a year ago or so. Was he Licenciado or >> not? Was it a forgery? (his marriage document, as Paulo contended). Well, it >> seems that it was not. Let's see why. >> >> Anyway here we go. It's the marriage certificate of Isabel Leal m. Rui >> Chamorro, (1577, Sé do Funchal). >> >> She is the dau, of F.co da Costa de Siqueira and Leonor Rodrigues. (The >> Costa de Siqueira were noble, and are relatively well known). Him, Rui >> Chamorro, son of Licenciado Francisco Rodrigues de Gouveia (already dead) >> and his wife - and here is the surprise ..*.Beatriz Gonçalves de Leam de >> Chamorra !!* >> >> The document is original, The words "Gonçalves de Leam de" were added with >> the very same writing of the priest who wrote the document (I have no doubt >> about it. It was the priest. It's not an added and clever forgery, i bet >> strongly on that). Anyway It's a name extraodinarily long for that time. And >> containing explosive and brand new information. >> >> The Leão were from Italian origin, merchants. "Mercadores do trauto do >> assucar" (They came very early to Madeira, around 1472). They established >> themselves in Funchal.They were later and, no surprisingly, connected by >> marriage with the Spínolas.. They were upper bourgeoisie, at least. >> A Licenciado Diogo de Leão existed around that time. Probably a relative? >> >> In this document we have evidence that a Licenciado Francisco Rodrigues de >> Gouveia truly existed. So in face of this document we are forced to say he >> is documented and his full name was truly Francisco Rodrigues de Gouveia. >> Now he was supposed to be married to a just Brites Chamorra by several >> leading genealogists (Meneses Vaz included) >> >> Here from ARM database: Francisco Rodrigues de Gouveia, Dr. >> Beatriz Chamorra Sé 1539 46 7 v.º >> >> But how come no one mentioned the "Gonçalves de Leam" of Beatriz Chamorra? >> It was mandatory! Because it's an extremely interesting and central detail >> which could lead to a connection, still unknown , between the Leão and the >> Chamorros. What is said here is that it (that connection) blatantly existed. >> This Chamorra had Leam (Leão) blood. That no genealogist said it before. And >> that, just amazes me. >> >> >> The witness were João Rodrigues Escórcio - well known character. Joam >> Carvalho. Pedro Feo (Feio) and Francisco Jorge. All the witness as is >> fitting for the marriage of a Licenciado could read and write. >> >> I think Joam Carvalho was a judge. >> >> Anyway all this is really groovy and juicy. >> >> >> I leave here this info.because I think very strange that none of the >> leading genealogists (of reference, I know and studied almost them all but I >> won't quote all their names) referred it. Especially those who wrote the >> Rodrigues de Gouveia title as well as the Lopes Esteves title (patent in the >> old and regreted NESOS). Had they seen it they were "condemned" to refer >> this Beatriz Gonçalves de Leam de Chamorra. They would have been as >> stupefied as I am. Did this document eluded them? I don't believe that >> having seen it they would discard it,. They were too knowledgeable to do it. >> Besides it has a promising discovery adventure appended to it. So I have to >> concede that this document that I got pretty easily escaped their >> attention, or was stuck in an old pile behind a desk or something at their >> time. >> >> >> Of course this interests half Madeira, since half Madeira descends from the >> Rodrigues de Gouveia. >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> Miguel >> >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >