Well, Padre Joseph Telles de Meneses just climbed some more degrees in my consideration. Does Padre Bartolomeu followed the steps of his ancestor? These Flor are Castros, aren't they? Miguel On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Paulo Santos Perneta <[email protected]>wrote: > Good old grandma Isabel Moreira should have been such a flapper at her > time (if there were flappers in the 1620's). "Mulher mundana", as > she's called by the vicar of Santa Cruz, António Freire de Andrade in > 1701, as he recalls another illegitimate children of her, this time > with Fernão Tavares, the young kid of Tomé Mendes de Vasconcelos, > renowned knight of Santa Cruz. And, from what you say, it seems that > not even the priest has escaped... > > Half moorish, with African blood on her veins, she should have been > pretty as hell. Oh, those infamous Moreira sisters from Santa Cruz, > headache of so many family mothers.. ;) > > She latter settled down in Porto Santo, married with Domingos > Fernandes Flor - one could say that her fame in Madeira was ruined, > anyway - and had a horde of children - all of them, hopefully, from > the Flor. One of them you'll see quite often, signing the parish books > of Porto Santo: Pde. Bartolomeu Dias Moreira. > > Paulo > > Miguel de Castro Henriques <[email protected]> wrote > in Tue, 19 Jan 2010 02:27:17 +0000: > > > Almost everyone with ancestors in Gaula in the 17 th century has met > > several times with the flourished signature of Padre Joseph Telles de > > Meneses, also known as Joseph Tello, vigário da Gaula. He was almost > > omnipresent not only celebrating marriages, his role after all, but as > > witness of other marriages, or godfather. He is probably one of the men > who > > wrote more times his signature in marriage documents. > > He had to had some exuberance and vitality, I thought. > > Well, finally I caught the reverend not acting in a reverend way, > > So the reverend Vigário de Gaula, after all, was human... and so he had > one > > daughter and one son, from two different women, > > > > The first appropriately called Teresa dos Mártires, from Leonor da Mata. > and > > from Isabel Moreira, he had Manuel. > > As we say in good and discreet Portuguese, "era fresco!" > > > > All this is referred in PA, Tomo 1-10 parte, pg243. > > > > > > Miguel > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Eheh, as far as I know, Pde. Bartolomeu behaved properly. Yes, they are Castros, from the older set. :) Paulo Miguel de Castro Henriques <[email protected]> wrote in Thu, 4 Feb 2010 23:39:01 +0000: > Well, Padre Joseph Telles de Meneses just climbed some more degrees in my > consideration. > > Does Padre Bartolomeu followed the steps of his ancestor? > > These Flor are Castros, aren't they? > > > Miguel > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Paulo Santos Perneta > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Good old grandma Isabel Moreira should have been such a flapper at her >> time (if there were flappers in the 1620's). "Mulher mundana", as >> she's called by the vicar of Santa Cruz, António Freire de Andrade in >> 1701, as he recalls another illegitimate children of her, this time >> with Fernão Tavares, the young kid of Tomé Mendes de Vasconcelos, >> renowned knight of Santa Cruz. And, from what you say, it seems that >> not even the priest has escaped... >> >> Half moorish, with African blood on her veins, she should have been >> pretty as hell. Oh, those infamous Moreira sisters from Santa Cruz, >> headache of so many family mothers.. ;) >> >> She latter settled down in Porto Santo, married with Domingos >> Fernandes Flor - one could say that her fame in Madeira was ruined, >> anyway - and had a horde of children - all of them, hopefully, from >> the Flor. One of them you'll see quite often, signing the parish books >> of Porto Santo: Pde. Bartolomeu Dias Moreira. >> >> Paulo >> >> Miguel de Castro Henriques <[email protected]> wrote >> in Tue, 19 Jan 2010 02:27:17 +0000: >> >> > Almost everyone with ancestors in Gaula in the 17 th century has met >> > several times with the flourished signature of Padre Joseph Telles de >> > Meneses, also known as Joseph Tello, vigário da Gaula. He was almost >> > omnipresent not only celebrating marriages, his role after all, but as >> > witness of other marriages, or godfather. He is probably one of the men >> who >> > wrote more times his signature in marriage documents. >> > He had to had some exuberance and vitality, I thought. >> > Well, finally I caught the reverend not acting in a reverend way, >> > So the reverend Vigário de Gaula, after all, was human... and so he had >> one >> > daughter and one son, from two different women, >> > >> > The first appropriately called Teresa dos Mártires, from Leonor da Mata. >> and >> > from Isabel Moreira, he had Manuel. >> > As we say in good and discreet Portuguese, "era fresco!" >> > >> > All this is referred in PA, Tomo 1-10 parte, pg243. >> > >> > >> > Miguel >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >