Comments interlined. :) Miguel de Castro Henriques <[email protected]> wrote in Fri, 8 Jan 2010 18:51:56 +0000: > João Rodrigues Escórcio is a key figure for understanding the emergence of > the Pacheco name in the Rodrigues de Gouveia. > > Let us see why, > > 1. He appears as "testemunha" in Rui Chamorro ( son of F.co Rodrigues de > Gouveua and brites CVhamorra) with Isabel Leal. > 2. He appears as testamenteiro, in Gaspar Rodrigues de Gouveria (brother of > Rui Chamorro) will. Testamenteiros were normally relatives. Or friends of the family. Both of them had lands in Santo António, which explains the connection. > So he is a figure close to this family. Because he is relative? probably- > > Let's see João Rodrigues Escórcio genealogy. > > > 1. João Rodrigues Arraes, Escudeiro FCR, An interesting Arrais because he is > supposed to be the first Arrais in madeira. He wrote his "testamento" in > 1517, He was the administrator of a Capela in Sintra, Portugal. je married > Leonor Escórcio, dau. of our well known the Magnificent João de leiria and > Isabel Eanes Escórcio. tehy had. So said the genealogies. João de Leiria was so magnificent that I never saw a single reference to him in the vereações and the chancelarias. Whatever, in lack of something else more palpable, we have to accept those things... João Rodrigues Arrais... Says who? > 2. Diogo Rodrigues Escórcio (fez testamento em 1533). m. Juliana Giraldes, > dau, of Gerlado Anes , and sister of Gaspar Rodrigues teixeira (who had a > coat of arms for Teixeiras inm 135r). sons of Lourenço Rodrigues teixeiram > and g. sons of "The Gordo." Says who? :S > 3. João Rodrigues Escórcio m. Maria Pacheco " (Here is the Hare!), dau. of > Àlvaro da Fonseca and Isabel Pacheco - This later was the dau of Pedro de > Escobar and Margarida Pacheco (title Escobar). João Rodrigues Escórcio, Fidalgo da Casa Real. Buys land from Francisco *Pacheco* Tavares in Madalena (Stº António). Married with Maria Pacheco da Fonseca, heiress of the 3ª of her mother, Isabel Pacheca, consisting in more land in Madalena, probably part of a former large estate that was divided among those Pachecos. The land was in Madalena, Stº António. I have a lot of info on those Pachecos, which I'm still trying to consolidate. Anyway, that Isabel Pacheca couldn't been daughter of Pedro de Escobar and Isabel Pacheca, since their daughter Isabel was already married to Gaspar Gonçalves Ferreira. Unless you can show that the 2 Isabel Pachecas are the same, that connection is incorrect. > Note - margarida pacheco was the g. dau, of Gomes Pacheco, Fidalgo da Casa I find very hard that a women who died in 1545 already with married children of her own (and grown up grand-sons!!) could be the grand-daughter of a guy who was serving as Homem Bom in the Camara at 1520. > Real. IMO the Rodrigues de Gouveia used the Pacheco name just because of > this Gomes Pacheco, a very illustrious figure. > So my conjecture is that the Pacheco that the Rodrigues de Gouveia used for > two generations is this one, comes from that Gomes Pacheco. and no other. First you should be able to prove all those connections that appear falling out from the sky in teh Rodrigues de Gouveia genealogy. Since most of the parish records of Santo António do not exist, and much of what exist are copies, we are left with almost nothing from that source that we could have for granted. We should always depart from what we do know to get what we don't know, and not the opposite. :S > In a next mail we'll have a look at the Escobares. > > Not jews, but from old Spanish families of first magnitude. Jews, jews, jews, totally jews! eheheheh So much jews that Pedro de Escobar o velho even instructed that the masses from his vinculo should be said at a Saturday. I'm sorry Miguel, but I'm quite convinced that this Pacheco/ Escobar family is indeed a XXN one. Hmm... Mysterious people with Spanish names arriving in Madeira just after or around the 1492 editals... Hummm... ;) Paulo