Depending on the birth date of Manuel, Isabel Moreira could be *the* Isabel Moreira who scandalized Santa Cruz in the early 17th century with her "mundane" affairs, until she married Diogo Fernandes Flor, from Porto Santo, in 1613 - and moved herself to that island. If she's that one, she's one of the daughters of Vicente Moreira, seaman, and Margarida Lopes, of reputed Moorish ancestry. Descendant as well of Simão de Lima, "mulato que fora levadeiro das levadas desta vila (Santa Cruz)" - So said António Fernandes o Rompe-Terras, who lived in the Janeiro of Santa Cruz, and died in 1698 with more than 101 years old. :) Paulo Miguel de Castro Henriques <[email protected]> wrote in Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:46:31 +0000: > No, unfortunately. Leonor da Mata, being da Mata is certainly from the > Mata's from Gaula. Moreira is not a typical name from Gaula. > > Voilà , > > > Miguel > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 8:57 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Miguel...do u have the parents of isabel moreira and leonor da mata? >> >> Thank you >> >> Leandro >> >> >> >> >> In a message dated 1/19/2010 3:27:27 A.M. W. Europe Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> Almost everyone with ancestors in Gaula in the 17 th century has met >> several times with the flourished signature of Padre Joseph Telles de >> Meneses, also known as Joseph Tello, vigário da Gaula. He was almost >> omnipresent not only celebrating marriages, his role after all, but as >> witness of other marriages, or godfather. He is probably one of the men >> who >> wrote more times his signature in marriage documents. >> He had to had some exuberance and vitality, I thought. >> Well, finally I caught the reverend not acting in a reverend way, >> So the reverend Vigário de Gaula, after all, was human... and so he had >> one >> daughter and one son, from two different women, >> >> The first appropriately called Teresa dos Mártires, from Leonor da Mata. >> and >> from Isabel Moreira, he had Manuel. >> As we say in good and discreet Portuguese, "era fresco!" >> >> All this is referred in PA, Tomo 1-10 parte, pg243. >> >> >> Miguel >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject >> and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Nice caracther o "Rompe-Terras". Seems coming directly from a portuguese folklore and fairy tales, like those recollected by Consiglieri Pedroso. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Paulo Santos Perneta <[email protected]>wrote: > Depending on the birth date of Manuel, Isabel Moreira could be *the* > Isabel Moreira who scandalized Santa Cruz in the early 17th century > with her "mundane" affairs, until she married Diogo Fernandes Flor, > from Porto Santo, in 1613 - and moved herself to that island. > > If she's that one, she's one of the daughters of Vicente Moreira, > seaman, and Margarida Lopes, of reputed Moorish ancestry. Descendant > as well of Simão de Lima, "mulato que fora levadeiro das levadas desta > vila (Santa Cruz)" - So said António Fernandes o Rompe-Terras, who > lived in the Janeiro of Santa Cruz, and died in 1698 with more than > 101 years old. :) > > Paulo > > > Miguel de Castro Henriques <[email protected]> wrote > in Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:46:31 +0000: > > > No, unfortunately. Leonor da Mata, being da Mata is certainly from the > > Mata's from Gaula. Moreira is not a typical name from Gaula. > > > > Voilà , > > > > > > Miguel > > > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 8:57 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Hi Miguel...do u have the parents of isabel moreira and leonor da mata? > >> > >> Thank you > >> > >> Leandro > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> In a message dated 1/19/2010 3:27:27 A.M. W. Europe Standard Time, > >> [email protected] writes: > >> > >> Almost everyone with ancestors in Gaula in the 17 th century has met > >> several times with the flourished signature of Padre Joseph Telles de > >> Meneses, also known as Joseph Tello, vigário da Gaula. He was almost > >> omnipresent not only celebrating marriages, his role after all, but as > >> witness of other marriages, or godfather. He is probably one of the men > >> who > >> wrote more times his signature in marriage documents. > >> He had to had some exuberance and vitality, I thought. > >> Well, finally I caught the reverend not acting in a reverend way, > >> So the reverend Vigário de Gaula, after all, was human... and so he had > >> one > >> daughter and one son, from two different women, > >> > >> The first appropriately called Teresa dos Mártires, from Leonor da > Mata. > >> and > >> from Isabel Moreira, he had Manuel. > >> As we say in good and discreet Portuguese, "era fresco!" > >> > >> All this is referred in PA, Tomo 1-10 parte, pg243. > >> > >> > >> Miguel > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject > >> and the body of the message > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >