Hello Miguel, Happy New year, hope you have had a nice Xmas among your family. :) Comments inline: Miguel de Castro Henriques <[email protected]> wrote in Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:23:07 +0000: [..] > Raz or Rás not Roz. It's a full name, not an abbreviation of Rodrigues. It > could be derived from Arrais. Hmm... Doubtful. Arrais is a very persistent name, and I've never seen any "derivation" from it. It was Arrais in the 1400's, it's Arrais today, it has always been Arrais (a common portuguese word, by the way). I favour the hypothesis of a foreign origin - Flemish, according to... Carolina Michaelis, I seem to recall. > Isoa not Isaura. Isoa is derived from Iseult or Yseult. From the classical > Tristan and Iseult Arthurian story. Centuries before de Da Vinci Code, > Madeiran gentry, especially from Gaula, was very keen on giving Arthurian > names to their issue: Lançarote, from Lancelot. Galaz, from Sir Galahad, > Tristão from Sir Tristram. (As a name, Isaura only appears in Madeira in the > 19 th century, so it is quite a modern name) Let's not forget the horrendous Grismunda (Grismunda da Mata, from Gaula, married to Francisco Dias de Gouveia, so it seems, my 12th great grand-mother). Another literary character, I guess, is Gridónia. Those names are also somewhat common in slaves, most probably named after the literary vanities of their masters. :) > Título Henriques Alemão, starts with Henrique Alemâo, da Madalena do Mar, > one of the most mysterious figures from Madeira Island. He had a title: > Cavaleiro da Ordem de Santa Catarina do Monte Sinai. And documented as such. :) > married Senhorinha > Anes, from Algarvian and noble origins. Algarvian? Says who? [..] > My brother, in > Madeira saw his stone grave in which it is inscribed the Wheel of St. > Catarina, the only coat of arms he ever used in Madeira. That tombstone has a void coat of arms. Apparently there are some animals holding the coat, but there's nothing inside. It's not as if it has been erased, but rather as if it's some unfinished work. Anyway, It's not even certain to who that tombstone belongs... :-\ Cheers, Paulo

Thanks Paulo, hope you had a good Xmas too. Clode refers her a a noble lady. Reis Gomes too (though in a literary context). recently on geneall forum there is much discussion about Henrique Alemão and his connection with Columbus. Just saw it a vol d'oiseau, and am not at all an expert on Columbus myths and counter-myths. But it's surely interesting that they are discussing a possible connection betrween Henrique Alemão and Columbus. Hope this will foster more interest in HA. Miguel On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Paulo Santos Perneta <[email protected]>wrote: > Hello Miguel, > > Happy New year, hope you have had a nice Xmas among your family. :) > Comments inline: > > Miguel de Castro Henriques <[email protected]> wrote > in Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:23:07 +0000: > > [..] > > Raz or Rás not Roz. It's a full name, not an abbreviation of Rodrigues. > It > > could be derived from Arrais. > > Hmm... Doubtful. Arrais is a very persistent name, and I've never seen > any "derivation" from it. It was Arrais in the 1400's, it's Arrais > today, it has always been Arrais (a common portuguese word, by the > way). I favour the hypothesis of a foreign origin - Flemish, according > to... Carolina Michaelis, I seem to recall. > > > Isoa not Isaura. Isoa is derived from Iseult or Yseult. From the > classical > > Tristan and Iseult Arthurian story. Centuries before de Da Vinci Code, > > Madeiran gentry, especially from Gaula, was very keen on giving Arthurian > > names to their issue: Lançarote, from Lancelot. Galaz, from Sir Galahad, > > Tristão from Sir Tristram. (As a name, Isaura only appears in Madeira in > the > > 19 th century, so it is quite a modern name) > > Let's not forget the horrendous Grismunda (Grismunda da Mata, from > Gaula, married to Francisco Dias de Gouveia, so it seems, my 12th > great grand-mother). > > Another literary character, I guess, is Gridónia. Those names are also > somewhat common in slaves, most probably named after the literary > vanities of their masters. :) > > > Título Henriques Alemão, starts with Henrique Alemâo, da Madalena do Mar, > > one of the most mysterious figures from Madeira Island. He had a title: > > Cavaleiro da Ordem de Santa Catarina do Monte Sinai. > > And documented as such. :) > > > married Senhorinha > > Anes, from Algarvian and noble origins. > > Algarvian? Says who? > > [..] > > My brother, in > > Madeira saw his stone grave in which it is inscribed the Wheel of St. > > Catarina, the only coat of arms he ever used in Madeira. > > That tombstone has a void coat of arms. Apparently there are some > animals holding the coat, but there's nothing inside. It's not as if > it has been erased, but rather as if it's some unfinished work. > Anyway, It's not even certain to who that tombstone belongs... :-\ > > Cheers, > > Paulo > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >