Most certainly. He: Son of André Martins, farmer, and Beatriz Nunes "do Castelo", p. greatson of Estevão Martins and Iria de Góis, m. grandson of António Gonçalves (another one) and Maria... She: Daughter of João Roiz Fraga , workman, and Inês Álvares, m. granddaughter of Violante ÁLvares, mulata, slave of Inês Gonçalves (wife of João Barradas). Violante had children also from João Dias (teh Tinims or Denims) and later married Pedro Álvares, a farmer. They lived at Moinhos, Caniço. Beatriz Nunes is probably from the Calaças, as the surname appears on a grandson (Maria Calaça, d. of Martim de Góis and Catª Roiz). Paulo Miguel de Castro Henriques <[email protected]> wrote in Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:56:51 +0000: > Hello all, > > > Has anyone info. about Martinho de Gópis m (1590, Caniço) Catarina > Rodrigues? > > Thanks in advance, > > > Miguel > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ah thanks a lot. I am descendant from the second marriage of Catarina Rodrigues, not from Martim de Gºois. In the regito I Have she appears as widow of Martinho de Góis, without signaling her parents.. So she was grandaughter of a mulata? Great, I like that. About the Fragas or Frágoas, there were noble Fragas in Madeira, according to PA, ranking as escudeiros. Maybe there were two branches of Fragas with nothing in common. Do you know if this Fraga, tranlhadior, has any link with the Caniço Fraga's, married to Nóbregas? 2010/2/4 Paulo Santos Perneta <[email protected]> > Most certainly. > > He: Son of André Martins, farmer, and Beatriz Nunes "do Castelo", p. > greatson of Estevão Martins and Iria de Góis, m. grandson of António > Gonçalves (another one) and Maria... > > She: Daughter of João Roiz Fraga , workman, and Inês Álvares, m. > granddaughter of Violante ÁLvares, mulata, slave of Inês Gonçalves > (wife of João Barradas). Violante had children also from João Dias > (teh Tinims or Denims) and later married Pedro Álvares, a farmer. They > lived at Moinhos, Caniço. > > Beatriz Nunes is probably from the Calaças, as the surname appears on > a grandson (Maria Calaça, d. of Martim de Góis and Catª Roiz). > > Paulo > > > Miguel de Castro Henriques <[email protected]> wrote > in Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:56:51 +0000: > > > Hello all, > > > > > > Has anyone info. about Martinho de Gópis m (1590, Caniço) Catarina > > Rodrigues? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Miguel > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

BTW, the Caniço Fragas were well above Escudeiro rank, they are documented as Cavaleiros Fidalgos (I can't find the precise reference for that now, but it seems to have been in some christening record where they acted as godfathers). Paulo Miguel de Castro Henriques <[email protected]> wrote in Thu, 4 Feb 2010 23:26:49 +0000: > Ah thanks a lot. I am descendant from the second marriage of Catarina > Rodrigues, not from Martim de Gºois. In the regito I Have she appears as > widow of Martinho de Góis, without signaling her parents.. So she was > grandaughter of a mulata? Great, I like that. > > About the Fragas or Frágoas, there were noble Fragas in Madeira, according > to PA, ranking as escudeiros. Maybe there were two branches of Fragas with > nothing in common. > > > Do you know if this Fraga, tranlhadior, has any link with the Caniço > Fraga's, married to Nóbregas? > > > 2010/2/4 Paulo Santos Perneta <[email protected]> > >> Most certainly. >> >> He: Son of André Martins, farmer, and Beatriz Nunes "do Castelo", p. >> greatson of Estevão Martins and Iria de Góis, m. grandson of António >> Gonçalves (another one) and Maria... >> >> She: Daughter of João Roiz Fraga , workman, and Inês Álvares, m. >> granddaughter of Violante ÁLvares, mulata, slave of Inês Gonçalves >> (wife of João Barradas). Violante had children also from João Dias >> (teh Tinims or Denims) and later married Pedro Álvares, a farmer. They >> lived at Moinhos, Caniço. >> >> Beatriz Nunes is probably from the Calaças, as the surname appears on >> a grandson (Maria Calaça, d. of Martim de Góis and Catª Roiz). >> >> Paulo >> >> >> Miguel de Castro Henriques <[email protected]> wrote >> in Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:56:51 +0000: >> >> > Hello all, >> > >> > >> > Has anyone info. about Martinho de Gópis m (1590, Caniço) Catarina >> > Rodrigues? >> > >> > Thanks in advance, >> > >> > >> > Miguel >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >