Hi Pat I googled the Martinhofamily name and indeed Miguel's explanations would seem to be of popular belief. I even found a family crest. (Attached) and info re my grandmother's origin. Wow. So it now seems that my grandfather stemmed from Spanish origin and my grandmother from Italian Nobility?! -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera Sent: 15 July 2011 09:46 To: Prt-Madeira List Group Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/South Africa/Martinho/Martino I located an email from Anne Lehmkuhl to the list...She provided a listing of Borrageiro individuals in South Africa. Tomorrow I'll send her an email, requesting source information for researching in SA, along with requesting her fee structure for her services. Hopefully she will help get us started, without a fee, like she did with the Borrageiro listing... to be continued... This is the logo/signature on the Borrageiro listing post that she provided, back in 2007. "Anne Lehmkuhl Professional researcher specializing in South African historical & genealogical research. Over 20 years experience, helping clients world-wide finding people - dead or alive." Pat ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message