Hi Prima Pat, It seems it's about time for you to turn into a professional genealogist ; -) There are some more in this list who can perfectly consider opening a new business...at least as a part-time (rewarded) activity. Cheers! Miguel On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 7:39 PM, Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>wrote: > Hi Carolyn, > > Here' some additional information... > > Then it's possible that the passport record for a Manuel Soares from Santa > Cruz is this one, with a 1911 date. This date is 8 years before the > passport dates for Rosa and the children... Though it's possible that Manuel > made trips back to Madeira in this 8 yr. time span... > > All his children would have been born by this 1911 date...so it's > possible... > > This passport tells us the following: > > (1) Gives us his name, possible year of birth/bapt...he was 32 in 1911 - > the names of his parents - that this is his first departure, and that the > state civil records listed him as being married. Plus it give us the names > of his parents... > > Petitioner Manuel Soares > Spouse > Companion > Kinship > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > Destination USA > Year 1911 > Month Mai > Box 160 > Process Nº 32 > Passport Nº 454 > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) > Age (Petitioner) 31 > Father (Petitioner) António Soares > Mother (Petitioner) Dória da Câmara > Father (Spouse) > Mother (Spouse) > Name of the Children > Comments 1.ª saída. Estado civil: casado. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Manuel (Sr's) Immigration/Travel Information: > > Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943 > > Name: Manuel Soares > > Arrival Date:6 Jun 1911 > > Age:31 > > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 > > Gender:Male > > Ethnic Background:Portuguese > > Port of Departure: S. Michaels, Azores, Portugal (31 May 1911) > > Ship Name:Romanic > > Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts > > Friend's Name:Antonio Fernandes > > Last Residence:Madeira > > Birthplace:Sta Cruz, Madeira > > > S.S. Romanic sailing from S. Michaels (Sao Miguel, Azores) > 31 May 1911. Manuel is listed as passenger # 17 Soares, Manuel-age 31 > male/married...able to read (no) or write (no) - Last resident Madeira - > Santa Cruz - nearest relative in that country - Wife - Rosa Alves Soares - > Final Destination - N.Y. Lincoln Park - staying with a Cousin Antonio > Fernandes - 10 Buell Road Lincoln Park, New York, this same address > information is also noted for passenger #18 a Madruga, Joao F. age 25 also > from Santa Cruz with a wife - in Santa Cruz - Maria Fernandes Madruga. Joao > F. Madruga listed the Buell address as that being for his brother Antonio F. > Fernandes... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Source: Madeira Regional Archives (online) This document can be ordered > from the archives for a fee...or possible to view at a Mormon Family History > Center by ordering the film also at a fee...If you're not familiar with this > procedure just let us know and we (the list) can walk you through it... > > Manuel (Sr.) parent's marriage record..this document may give you the names > of Manuel's grandparents... > > António Soares Dória da Câmara Santa Cruz Year: 1868 Book:2528 > Pg: 8 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Possible Rosa's parent's marriage...(same applies as for Manuel noted above > for obtaining copy of this record). > > Manuel Alves Juliana de Freitas Santa Cruz Year: 1863 Book: 2523 Pg: 8 > v.º > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > I didn't see any Santa Cruz birth records online...though Rosa's sister's > address on the shipping manifest indicated that she lived in Sao > Roque...that may be a parish to check out, for other clues as to other > relatives... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Where was your husband born? Where was the area that your husband's uncles > were last associated with in the 50s.? > > Hope all this helps to further your research... > Pat Silva Corbera > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:03:01 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > > Thats the family...thank you. now we have more to go on. > Joao was my father-in-law. my husband is John E. Soares, we live in Texas. > His father came to Lake Charles, La. (about 70 miles from our home) > and met my mother in law there, they married and moved to Boston for a > while then back to Texas. No one has heard from Manuel or Antiono since in > the 50's. > We believe that Manuel sr. and Rosa went back to Madeira. We appreciate > this information . > Thanks again. > Carolyn > > > > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:10:57 +0000 > > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > > > Hi Carolyn, > > > > I do not have a Manuel and/or Rosa Alves Soares in my file... > > > > But I did locate who I think may be this family on immigration/travel > search on Ancestry.com. > > > > I'm including that information just in case you do not have it... > > > > Soares, Manuael age 12 (either the age is incorrect or the martial > status, because he is listed as male/married)...but there's a notation that > he's a son under the age of 16...SS. Roma sailed from Ponta Delgada, Sao > Miguel, Azores on Aug 31, 1919 arriving Providence RI on Sept 9, 1919. > Relative in Madeira noted as being his mother a Rosa Alves, Santa Cruz, > Madeira. Going to join his father a Manuel Soares 3 Liverpool Ave. East > Boston, MA > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > On another sailing is a Rosa Alves Soares age 46 sailing with 2 > children...Joao 11 and Antonio 9 all born Santa Cruz, Madeira...Relative in > Madeira is notes as being "sister," Maria Isabel Alves de Sousa of Muro da > Coalha, Sao Roque... > > SS Cretic - sailed from Ponta Delgado, Sao Miguel, Azores on 26th Oct > 1919 arrived Port of Bost 11th Nov 1919. > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > ARM Passport: Manuel Soares Júnior > > Spouse > > Companion > > Kinship > > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > > Destination Nova Iorque-USA > > Year 1919 > > Month Ago > > Box 213 > > Process Nº 66 > > Passport Nº 389 > > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 08-10-1905 > > Age (Petitioner) 13 > > Father (Petitioner) Manuel Soares > > Mother (Petitioner) Rosa Alves > > Father (Spouse) > > Mother (Spouse) > > Name of the Children > > Comments 1.ª saída. Estado civil: solteiro. O requerente vai para a > companhia de seu pai. > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > ARM - Passport: > > Petitioner Rosa Alves > > Spouse Manuel Soares > > Companion > > Kinship > > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > > Destination Boston-MA-USA > > Year 1919 > > Month Out > > Box 215 > > Process Nº 52 > > Passport Nº 728 a 729 > > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 24-11-1872 > > Age (Petitioner) 47 > > Father (Petitioner) Manuel Alves > > Mother (Petitioner) Juliana de Freitas > > Father (Spouse) António Soares > > Mother (Spouse) Dória da Câmara > > Name of the Children João (11 anos) e António (9 anos) > > Comments 1.ª saída. A requerente e os filhos vão para a companhai de seu > marido e pai. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > Pat > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 9:52:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > Pat, > > Not to change the subject, but does anyone know of a family of Manoel and > Rosa Alves Soares from Santa Cruz came to US in 1919? > > Thanks cs > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 00:25:11 +0000 > > > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > > > To: luisbeal@yahoo.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > In searching ARM Martinho is there, I didn't see Martino...but not all > of Estreito da Calheta vitals have been indexed. Thank you for your > input...;-) > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > p.s. Hoping that Zelia Mullins adds to this thread...she's in SA and > I'm sure can be very helpful in pointing out the various sources... > > > > > > Plus I vaguely recall another list member that either was researching > her Madeira ancestry in SA, or was a professional researcher from SA...but > for the life of me I can't remember her name... > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> > > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:06:34 PM > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > Martinho is both a first and a last name. I don't know if it came from > Martins but it is a common name in Portugal. > > > > > > > > > Luis Beal > > > > > > "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually > a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the > life of our ancestors." > > > Cicero, Roman orator > > > > > > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > > > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:13 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > > >Hi Lou, > > > > > > > >Thank for replying to my post...It was the first time I had seen the > surname of Martinho/Martino also... None in my Madeira family...Very good > point about a possible connection with the surname of Martin... > > > > > > > >Pat > > > > > > > >Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "deepsea06" <deepsea06@gmail.com> > > > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:35:46 AM > > > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > > >Pat, > > > > Got your message and did see the post on Martinho, however, that is > > > >the first time I have seen that name in that manner....possibly > > > >connected to Martins? > > > >Lou > > > > > > > >On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Greg Martino > > > ><greg.martino@harveyworld.co.za> wrote: > > > >> Got it. Thanks Pat. > > > >> > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > > > >> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera > > > >> Sent: 14 July 2011 09:25 > > > >> To: Prt-Madeira List Group > > > >> Cc: zmullins > > > >> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > >> > > > >> Hi All, > > > >> > > > >> Just "testing," to see if we're still "live," and on-line... > > > >> > > > >> Let me know if you receive this message... > > > >> > > > >> Thank you, > > > >> Pat > > > >> p.s. hopefully you "all," received the posting seeking help for a > new member > > > >> Greg Martino (Martinho)...if not, please let me know... ;-) > > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Primo Miguel For now it's just a "labor of love." Hugs, Prima Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 5:24:22 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira Hi Prima Pat, It seems it's about time for you to turn into a professional genealogist ; -) There are some more in this list who can perfectly consider opening a new business...at least as a part-time (rewarded) activity. Cheers! Miguel On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 7:39 PM, Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>wrote: > Hi Carolyn, > > Here' some additional information... > > Then it's possible that the passport record for a Manuel Soares from Santa > Cruz is this one, with a 1911 date. This date is 8 years before the > passport dates for Rosa and the children... Though it's possible that Manuel > made trips back to Madeira in this 8 yr. time span... > > All his children would have been born by this 1911 date...so it's > possible... > > This passport tells us the following: > > (1) Gives us his name, possible year of birth/bapt...he was 32 in 1911 - > the names of his parents - that this is his first departure, and that the > state civil records listed him as being married. Plus it give us the names > of his parents... > > Petitioner Manuel Soares > Spouse > Companion > Kinship > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > Destination USA > Year 1911 > Month Mai > Box 160 > Process Nº 32 > Passport Nº 454 > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) > Age (Petitioner) 31 > Father (Petitioner) António Soares > Mother (Petitioner) Dória da Câmara > Father (Spouse) > Mother (Spouse) > Name of the Children > Comments 1.ª saída. Estado civil: casado. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Manuel (Sr's) Immigration/Travel Information: > > Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943 > > Name: Manuel Soares > > Arrival Date:6 Jun 1911 > > Age:31 > > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 > > Gender:Male > > Ethnic Background:Portuguese > > Port of Departure: S. Michaels, Azores, Portugal (31 May 1911) > > Ship Name:Romanic > > Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts > > Friend's Name:Antonio Fernandes > > Last Residence:Madeira > > Birthplace:Sta Cruz, Madeira > > > S.S. Romanic sailing from S. Michaels (Sao Miguel, Azores) > 31 May 1911. Manuel is listed as passenger # 17 Soares, Manuel-age 31 > male/married...able to read (no) or write (no) - Last resident Madeira - > Santa Cruz - nearest relative in that country - Wife - Rosa Alves Soares - > Final Destination - N.Y. Lincoln Park - staying with a Cousin Antonio > Fernandes - 10 Buell Road Lincoln Park, New York, this same address > information is also noted for passenger #18 a Madruga, Joao F. age 25 also > from Santa Cruz with a wife - in Santa Cruz - Maria Fernandes Madruga. Joao > F. Madruga listed the Buell address as that being for his brother Antonio F. > Fernandes... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Source: Madeira Regional Archives (online) This document can be ordered > from the archives for a fee...or possible to view at a Mormon Family History > Center by ordering the film also at a fee...If you're not familiar with this > procedure just let us know and we (the list) can walk you through it... > > Manuel (Sr.) parent's marriage record..this document may give you the names > of Manuel's grandparents... > > António Soares Dória da Câmara Santa Cruz Year: 1868 Book:2528 > Pg: 8 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Possible Rosa's parent's marriage...(same applies as for Manuel noted above > for obtaining copy of this record). > > Manuel Alves Juliana de Freitas Santa Cruz Year: 1863 Book: 2523 Pg: 8 > v.º > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > I didn't see any Santa Cruz birth records online...though Rosa's sister's > address on the shipping manifest indicated that she lived in Sao > Roque...that may be a parish to check out, for other clues as to other > relatives... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Where was your husband born? Where was the area that your husband's uncles > were last associated with in the 50s.? > > Hope all this helps to further your research... > Pat Silva Corbera > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:03:01 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > > Thats the family...thank you. now we have more to go on. > Joao was my father-in-law. my husband is John E. Soares, we live in Texas. > His father came to Lake Charles, La. (about 70 miles from our home) > and met my mother in law there, they married and moved to Boston for a > while then back to Texas. No one has heard from Manuel or Antiono since in > the 50's. > We believe that Manuel sr. and Rosa went back to Madeira. We appreciate > this information . > Thanks again. > Carolyn > > > > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:10:57 +0000 > > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > > > Hi Carolyn, > > > > I do not have a Manuel and/or Rosa Alves Soares in my file... > > > > But I did locate who I think may be this family on immigration/travel > search on Ancestry.com. > > > > I'm including that information just in case you do not have it... > > > > Soares, Manuael age 12 (either the age is incorrect or the martial > status, because he is listed as male/married)...but there's a notation that > he's a son under the age of 16...SS. Roma sailed from Ponta Delgada, Sao > Miguel, Azores on Aug 31, 1919 arriving Providence RI on Sept 9, 1919. > Relative in Madeira noted as being his mother a Rosa Alves, Santa Cruz, > Madeira. Going to join his father a Manuel Soares 3 Liverpool Ave. East > Boston, MA > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > On another sailing is a Rosa Alves Soares age 46 sailing with 2 > children...Joao 11 and Antonio 9 all born Santa Cruz, Madeira...Relative in > Madeira is notes as being "sister," Maria Isabel Alves de Sousa of Muro da > Coalha, Sao Roque... > > SS Cretic - sailed from Ponta Delgado, Sao Miguel, Azores on 26th Oct > 1919 arrived Port of Bost 11th Nov 1919. > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > ARM Passport: Manuel Soares Júnior > > Spouse > > Companion > > Kinship > > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > > Destination Nova Iorque-USA > > Year 1919 > > Month Ago > > Box 213 > > Process Nº 66 > > Passport Nº 389 > > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 08-10-1905 > > Age (Petitioner) 13 > > Father (Petitioner) Manuel Soares > > Mother (Petitioner) Rosa Alves > > Father (Spouse) > > Mother (Spouse) > > Name of the Children > > Comments 1.ª saída. Estado civil: solteiro. O requerente vai para a > companhia de seu pai. > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > ARM - Passport: > > Petitioner Rosa Alves > > Spouse Manuel Soares > > Companion > > Kinship > > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > > Destination Boston-MA-USA > > Year 1919 > > Month Out > > Box 215 > > Process Nº 52 > > Passport Nº 728 a 729 > > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 24-11-1872 > > Age (Petitioner) 47 > > Father (Petitioner) Manuel Alves > > Mother (Petitioner) Juliana de Freitas > > Father (Spouse) António Soares > > Mother (Spouse) Dória da Câmara > > Name of the Children João (11 anos) e António (9 anos) > > Comments 1.ª saída. A requerente e os filhos vão para a companhai de seu > marido e pai. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > Pat > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 9:52:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > Pat, > > Not to change the subject, but does anyone know of a family of Manoel and > Rosa Alves Soares from Santa Cruz came to US in 1919? > > Thanks cs > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 00:25:11 +0000 > > > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > > > To: luisbeal@yahoo.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > In searching ARM Martinho is there, I didn't see Martino...but not all > of Estreito da Calheta vitals have been indexed. Thank you for your > input...;-) > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > p.s. Hoping that Zelia Mullins adds to this thread...she's in SA and > I'm sure can be very helpful in pointing out the various sources... > > > > > > Plus I vaguely recall another list member that either was researching > her Madeira ancestry in SA, or was a professional researcher from SA...but > for the life of me I can't remember her name... > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> > > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:06:34 PM > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > Martinho is both a first and a last name. I don't know if it came from > Martins but it is a common name in Portugal. > > > > > > > > > Luis Beal > > > > > > "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually > a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the > life of our ancestors." > > > Cicero, Roman orator > > > > > > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > > > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:13 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > > >Hi Lou, > > > > > > > >Thank for replying to my post...It was the first time I had seen the > surname of Martinho/Martino also... None in my Madeira family...Very good > point about a possible connection with the surname of Martin... > > > > > > > >Pat > > > > > > > >Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "deepsea06" <deepsea06@gmail.com> > > > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:35:46 AM > > > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > > >Pat, > > > > Got your message and did see the post on Martinho, however, that is > > > >the first time I have seen that name in that manner....possibly > > > >connected to Martins? > > > >Lou > > > > > > > >On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Greg Martino > > > ><greg.martino@harveyworld.co.za> wrote: > > > >> Got it. Thanks Pat. > > > >> > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > > > >> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera > > > >> Sent: 14 July 2011 09:25 > > > >> To: Prt-Madeira List Group > > > >> Cc: zmullins > > > >> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing

Pat, My husband was born in Texas. Last he heard they were in New Bedford,Ma. Johns older sister was born in Cambridge,Ma. around 1929. The rest were born in Lousiana and Texas. Johns dad was a longshoreman. He worked on boats/ships until the 50's. > Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 03:37:20 +0000 > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > Primo Miguel > > For now it's just a "labor of love." > > Hugs, > Prima Pat > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 5:24:22 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > Hi Prima Pat, > > It seems it's about time for you to turn into a professional genealogist ; > -) > > There are some more in this list who can perfectly consider opening a new > business...at least as a part-time (rewarded) activity. > > Cheers! > > Miguel > > On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 7:39 PM, Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>wrote: > > > Hi Carolyn, > > > > Here' some additional information... > > > > Then it's possible that the passport record for a Manuel Soares from Santa > > Cruz is this one, with a 1911 date. This date is 8 years before the > > passport dates for Rosa and the children... Though it's possible that Manuel > > made trips back to Madeira in this 8 yr. time span... > > > > All his children would have been born by this 1911 date...so it's > > possible... > > > > This passport tells us the following: > > > > (1) Gives us his name, possible year of birth/bapt...he was 32 in 1911 - > > the names of his parents - that this is his first departure, and that the > > state civil records listed him as being married. Plus it give us the names > > of his parents... > > > > Petitioner Manuel Soares > > Spouse > > Companion > > Kinship > > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > > Destination USA > > Year 1911 > > Month Mai > > Box 160 > > Process Nº 32 > > Passport Nº 454 > > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) > > Age (Petitioner) 31 > > Father (Petitioner) António Soares > > Mother (Petitioner) Dória da Câmara > > Father (Spouse) > > Mother (Spouse) > > Name of the Children > > Comments 1.ª saída. Estado civil: casado. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Manuel (Sr's) Immigration/Travel Information: > > > > Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943 > > > > Name: Manuel Soares > > > > Arrival Date:6 Jun 1911 > > > > Age:31 > > > > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 > > > > Gender:Male > > > > Ethnic Background:Portuguese > > > > Port of Departure: S. Michaels, Azores, Portugal (31 May 1911) > > > > Ship Name:Romanic > > > > Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts > > > > Friend's Name:Antonio Fernandes > > > > Last Residence:Madeira > > > > Birthplace:Sta Cruz, Madeira > > > > > > S.S. Romanic sailing from S. Michaels (Sao Miguel, Azores) > > 31 May 1911. Manuel is listed as passenger # 17 Soares, Manuel-age 31 > > male/married...able to read (no) or write (no) - Last resident Madeira - > > Santa Cruz - nearest relative in that country - Wife - Rosa Alves Soares - > > Final Destination - N.Y. Lincoln Park - staying with a Cousin Antonio > > Fernandes - 10 Buell Road Lincoln Park, New York, this same address > > information is also noted for passenger #18 a Madruga, Joao F. age 25 also > > from Santa Cruz with a wife - in Santa Cruz - Maria Fernandes Madruga. Joao > > F. Madruga listed the Buell address as that being for his brother Antonio F. > > Fernandes... > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Source: Madeira Regional Archives (online) This document can be ordered > > from the archives for a fee...or possible to view at a Mormon Family History > > Center by ordering the film also at a fee...If you're not familiar with this > > procedure just let us know and we (the list) can walk you through it... > > > > Manuel (Sr.) parent's marriage record..this document may give you the names > > of Manuel's grandparents... > > > > António Soares Dória da Câmara Santa Cruz Year: 1868 Book:2528 > > Pg: 8 > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Possible Rosa's parent's marriage...(same applies as for Manuel noted above > > for obtaining copy of this record). > > > > Manuel Alves Juliana de Freitas Santa Cruz Year: 1863 Book: 2523 Pg: 8 > > v.º > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > I didn't see any Santa Cruz birth records online...though Rosa's sister's > > address on the shipping manifest indicated that she lived in Sao > > Roque...that may be a parish to check out, for other clues as to other > > relatives... > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Where was your husband born? Where was the area that your husband's uncles > > were last associated with in the 50s.? > > > > Hope all this helps to further your research... > > Pat Silva Corbera > > > > > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:03:01 AM > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > > > > > Thats the family...thank you. now we have more to go on. > > Joao was my father-in-law. my husband is John E. Soares, we live in Texas. > > His father came to Lake Charles, La. (about 70 miles from our home) > > and met my mother in law there, they married and moved to Boston for a > > while then back to Texas. No one has heard from Manuel or Antiono since in > > the 50's. > > We believe that Manuel sr. and Rosa went back to Madeira. We appreciate > > this information . > > Thanks again. > > Carolyn > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:10:57 +0000 > > > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > > > > > Hi Carolyn, > > > > > > I do not have a Manuel and/or Rosa Alves Soares in my file... > > > > > > But I did locate who I think may be this family on immigration/travel > > search on Ancestry.com. > > > > > > I'm including that information just in case you do not have it... > > > > > > Soares, Manuael age 12 (either the age is incorrect or the martial > > status, because he is listed as male/married)...but there's a notation that > > he's a son under the age of 16...SS. Roma sailed from Ponta Delgada, Sao > > Miguel, Azores on Aug 31, 1919 arriving Providence RI on Sept 9, 1919. > > Relative in Madeira noted as being his mother a Rosa Alves, Santa Cruz, > > Madeira. Going to join his father a Manuel Soares 3 Liverpool Ave. East > > Boston, MA > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > > On another sailing is a Rosa Alves Soares age 46 sailing with 2 > > children...Joao 11 and Antonio 9 all born Santa Cruz, Madeira...Relative in > > Madeira is notes as being "sister," Maria Isabel Alves de Sousa of Muro da > > Coalha, Sao Roque... > > > SS Cretic - sailed from Ponta Delgado, Sao Miguel, Azores on 26th Oct > > 1919 arrived Port of Bost 11th Nov 1919. > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > > ARM Passport: Manuel Soares Júnior > > > Spouse > > > Companion > > > Kinship > > > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > > > Destination Nova Iorque-USA > > > Year 1919 > > > Month Ago > > > Box 213 > > > Process Nº 66 > > > Passport Nº 389 > > > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 08-10-1905 > > > Age (Petitioner) 13 > > > Father (Petitioner) Manuel Soares > > > Mother (Petitioner) Rosa Alves > > > Father (Spouse) > > > Mother (Spouse) > > > Name of the Children > > > Comments 1.ª saída. Estado civil: solteiro. O requerente vai para a > > companhia de seu pai. > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > > ARM - Passport: > > > Petitioner Rosa Alves > > > Spouse Manuel Soares > > > Companion > > > Kinship > > > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > > > Destination Boston-MA-USA > > > Year 1919 > > > Month Out > > > Box 215 > > > Process Nº 52 > > > Passport Nº 728 a 729 > > > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 24-11-1872 > > > Age (Petitioner) 47 > > > Father (Petitioner) Manuel Alves > > > Mother (Petitioner) Juliana de Freitas > > > Father (Spouse) António Soares > > > Mother (Spouse) Dória da Câmara > > > Name of the Children João (11 anos) e António (9 anos) > > > Comments 1.ª saída. A requerente e os filhos vão para a companhai de seu > > marido e pai. > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > > Pat > > > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> > > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 9:52:39 PM > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > > > > Pat, > > > Not to change the subject, but does anyone know of a family of Manoel and > > Rosa Alves Soares from Santa Cruz came to US in 1919? > > > Thanks cs > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 00:25:11 +0000 > > > > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > > > > To: luisbeal@yahoo.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > > > In searching ARM Martinho is there, I didn't see Martino...but not all > > of Estreito da Calheta vitals have been indexed. Thank you for your > > input...;-) > > > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > p.s. Hoping that Zelia Mullins adds to this thread...she's in SA and > > I'm sure can be very helpful in pointing out the various sources... > > > > > > > > Plus I vaguely recall another list member that either was researching > > her Madeira ancestry in SA, or was a professional researcher from SA...but > > for the life of me I can't remember her name... > > > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> > > > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:06:34 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > > > Martinho is both a first and a last name. I don't know if it came from > > Martins but it is a common name in Portugal. > > > > > > > > > > > > Luis Beal > > > > > > > > "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually > > a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the > > life of our ancestors." > > > > Cicero, Roman orator > > > > > > > > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > > > > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:13 PM > > > > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > > > > >Hi Lou, > > > > > > > > > >Thank for replying to my post...It was the first time I had seen the > > surname of Martinho/Martino also... None in my Madeira family...Very good > > point about a possible connection with the surname of Martin... > > > > > > > > > >Pat > > > > > > > > > >Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "deepsea06" <deepsea06@gmail.com> > > > > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:35:46 AM > > > > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > > > > >Pat, > > > > > Got your message and did see the post on Martinho, however, that is > > > > >the first time I have seen that name in that manner....possibly > > > > >connected to Martins? > > > > >Lou > > > > > > > > > >On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Greg Martino > > > > ><greg.martino@harveyworld.co.za> wrote: > > > > >> Got it. Thanks Pat. > > > > >> > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > > >> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > > > > >> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera > > > > >> Sent: 14 July 2011 09:25 > > > > >> To: Prt-Madeira List Group > > > > >> Cc: zmullins > > > > >> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message