Cece, Thank you for adding to this thread, hopefully you will link with Carolyn's husband's family. Do you have any LDS films on loan for the Santa Cruz area? Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cece Camara" <cece@soccer4all.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 1:46:08 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira Pat/Carolyn, I've been reading these posts with interest as we do have Camara, Freitas and Alves from Santa Cruz...problem is I've checked my database and so far nothing is a match...may need to go back another couple of generations to find one. I'll keep watching the thread Carolyn. My father was born in Santa Cruz in 1905...problem is our Camara name only goes back 2 generations before my Dad as his grandfather was an orphan given that name (as was common practice at that time). Now my Freitas goes way back...and Alves are current day cousins still living in Santa Cruz (actually Alves Ferro is the full & current name). Cece Soccer 4 All | Lacrosse 4 All Headquarters 1306 FM 1092 ste 105 | Missouri City, TX 77459 tel: 281.499.6665 x-402| fax: 281.499.9199 | email: cece@soccer4all.com -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:29 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira Carolyn and Cece, List Members, Cece with the surname of Camara from S. Cruz, Madeira...it's possible that there's a link with your family... Thank you for the additional information supplied in your last posting. You asked if "does this make sense to you," yes it does, but only you can answer what you're truly trying to establish... It may prove difficult in locating the descendants of your husband's uncles (Manuel Jr. & Antonio). >From this point on if you're only interested in locating family members in the USA, then you will need to start with your husband's uncles/aunts looking for death records either on line (using FamilySearch.org - or any of the other source that may be fee based). Post to as many of the online message/boards, or even creating one for the surname Soares if there isn't already one... I did locate a couple that may be Soares family members, but without actually seeing additional records it's not possible to establish if they are your husband's family... Now if your interested in tracing your husband's Portuguese roots in Santa Cruz, Madeira, there are records online (or again through the film service of the Mormon Church) that can be ordered and viewed... The information so far is the following: John Ernest Soares (indexed as Seares) b. 16 Aug 1939 Jefferson, Tx parents John Seares and Ruby Mae Landry...(I'm assuming this is your husband/and his parents...correct me if I'm wrong... John Seares/Soares b. abt 1908 S. Cruz Madeira son of Manuel Soares b.abt 1879 S. Cruz m.1904 S. Cruz to Rosa Alves b. abt 1873 S.Cruz. Manuel Soares(Sr.) son of Antonio Soares and Doria da Camara.(Antonio and Doria married 1868 S. Cruz) Rosa Alves daughter of Manuel Alves and Juliana de Freitas (Manuel and Juliana married 1863 S. Cruz)... These records can be ordered from the Madeira Archives...it's possible that Manuel Alves and Juliana de Freitas' marriage record will name their parents...giving you still another generation of ancestors...If you need help in how to order from the Madeira Archives just let me/us know... These records may also be on film, that can be obtained from your local Mormon Church Family History Centers...Check out their website at - www.familysearch.org for a family history center nearest your home...as well as the film numbers for the Santa Cruz, Madeira parish... And it's possible that other members on this list are researching their ancestors/relatives in the Santa Cruz, Madeira area and can add additional researching sources... Here's some possibilities for additional follow-up to establish if they are related to your husband... John SOARES (Father of your husband) Birth Date: 9 Apr 1908 Death Date: 6 Feb 1993 Social Security Number: 454-10-0032 State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Texas Death Residence Localities ZIP Code: 77662 Localities: Lakeview, Orange, Texas North Vidor, Orange, Texas Pine Forest, Orange, Texas Rose City, Orange, Texas Vidor, Orange, Texas Possible record for Anthony Soares (brother of Joao/John and Manuel Jr.)FamilySearch.org 4. Anthony SOARES - U.S. Social Security Death Index Birth: 12 Jun 1910 State Where Number was Issued: Massachusetts Death: Jan 1971 5. Antonio SOARES - U.S. Social Security Death Index Birth: 5 Sep 1910 State Where Number was Issued: Rhode Island Death: 22 Aug 2002 Manuel SOARES (Jr.) Birth Date: 16 Jul 1905 Death Date: Jan 1971 Social Security Number: 014-07-4124 State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Massachusetts Death Residence Localities ZIP Code: 02721 Localities: Fall River, Bristol, Massachusetts Manuel SOARES (Sr.) Birth Date: 12 Oct 1881 Death Date: Sep 1971 Social Security Number: 026-05-6509 State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Massachusetts Death Residence Localities ZIP Code: 02723 Localities: Fall River, Bristol, Massachusetts Hope this helps... Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 7:24:34 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira Thanks again Pat, My husband John Ernest was born in Texas in 1939. His older sister was born in Cambridge, Ma. in 1929, the other 5 children were born in Texas and Lousiana. the last time they heard from his fathers family they were in New Bedford. I believe one of his uncles Manuel Jr. died in a TB hospital. at least one of them was in the service not sure which one. His dad did not talk of his family much. not sure that he could speak too good in English. He did speak several other languages he learned aboard ships. He died in 1993. Does any of this make sense to you? Thank you for this information maybe we can track down any of his family that is left. Carolyn > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 18:39:23 +0000 > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > Hi Carolyn, > > Here' some additional information... > > Then it's possible that the passport record for a Manuel Soares from Santa Cruz is this one, with a 1911 date. This date is 8 years before the passport dates for Rosa and the children... Though it's possible that Manuel made trips back to Madeira in this 8 yr. time span... > > All his children would have been born by this 1911 date...so it's possible... > > This passport tells us the following: > > (1) Gives us his name, possible year of birth/bapt...he was 32 in 1911 - the names of his parents - that this is his first departure, and that the state civil records listed him as being married. Plus it give us the names of his parents... > > Petitioner Manuel Soares > Spouse > Companion > Kinship > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > Destination USA > Year 1911 > Month Mai > Box 160 > Process Nº 32 > Passport Nº 454 > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) > Age (Petitioner) 31 > Father (Petitioner) António Soares > Mother (Petitioner) Dória da Câmara > Father (Spouse) > Mother (Spouse) > Name of the Children > Comments 1.ª saída. Estado civil: casado. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Manuel (Sr's) Immigration/Travel Information: > > Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943 > > Name: Manuel Soares > > Arrival Date:6 Jun 1911 > > Age:31 > > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 > > Gender:Male > > Ethnic Background:Portuguese > > Port of Departure: S. Michaels, Azores, Portugal (31 May 1911) > > Ship Name:Romanic > > Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts > > Friend's Name:Antonio Fernandes > > Last Residence:Madeira > > Birthplace:Sta Cruz, Madeira > > > S.S. Romanic sailing from S. Michaels (Sao Miguel, Azores) > 31 May 1911. Manuel is listed as passenger # 17 Soares, Manuel-age 31 male/married...able to read (no) or write (no) - Last resident Madeira - Santa Cruz - nearest relative in that country - Wife - Rosa Alves Soares - Final Destination - N.Y. Lincoln Park - staying with a Cousin Antonio Fernandes - 10 Buell Road Lincoln Park, New York, this same address information is also noted for passenger #18 a Madruga, Joao F. age 25 also from Santa Cruz with a wife - in Santa Cruz - Maria Fernandes Madruga. Joao F. Madruga listed the Buell address as that being for his brother Antonio F. Fernandes... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Source: Madeira Regional Archives (online) This document can be ordered from the archives for a fee...or possible to view at a Mormon Family History Center by ordering the film also at a fee...If you're not familiar with this procedure just let us know and we (the list) can walk you through it... > > Manuel (Sr.) parent's marriage record..this document may give you the names of Manuel's grandparents... > > António Soares Dória da Câmara Santa Cruz Year: 1868 Book:2528 > Pg: 8 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Possible Rosa's parent's marriage...(same applies as for Manuel noted above for obtaining copy of this record). > > Manuel Alves Juliana de Freitas Santa Cruz Year: 1863 Book: 2523 Pg: 8 v.º > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > I didn't see any Santa Cruz birth records online...though Rosa's sister's address on the shipping manifest indicated that she lived in Sao Roque...that may be a parish to check out, for other clues as to other relatives... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Where was your husband born? Where was the area that your husband's uncles were last associated with in the 50s.? > > Hope all this helps to further your research... > Pat Silva Corbera > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:03:01 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > > Thats the family...thank you. now we have more to go on. > Joao was my father-in-law. my husband is John E. Soares, we live in Texas. His father came to Lake Charles, La. (about 70 miles from our home) > and met my mother in law there, they married and moved to Boston for a while then back to Texas. No one has heard from Manuel or Antiono since in the 50's. > We believe that Manuel sr. and Rosa went back to Madeira. We appreciate this information . > Thanks again. > Carolyn > > > > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:10:57 +0000 > > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > > > Hi Carolyn, > > > > I do not have a Manuel and/or Rosa Alves Soares in my file... > > > > But I did locate who I think may be this family on immigration/travel search on Ancestry.com. > > > > I'm including that information just in case you do not have it... > > > > Soares, Manuael age 12 (either the age is incorrect or the martial status, because he is listed as male/married)...but there's a notation that he's a son under the age of 16...SS. Roma sailed from Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Azores on Aug 31, 1919 arriving Providence RI on Sept 9, 1919. Relative in Madeira noted as being his mother a Rosa Alves, Santa Cruz, Madeira. Going to join his father a Manuel Soares 3 Liverpool Ave. East Boston, MA > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > On another sailing is a Rosa Alves Soares age 46 sailing with 2 children...Joao 11 and Antonio 9 all born Santa Cruz, Madeira...Relative in Madeira is notes as being "sister," Maria Isabel Alves de Sousa of Muro da Coalha, Sao Roque... > > SS Cretic - sailed from Ponta Delgado, Sao Miguel, Azores on 26th Oct 1919 arrived Port of Bost 11th Nov 1919. > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > ARM Passport: Manuel Soares Júnior > > Spouse > > Companion > > Kinship > > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > > Destination Nova Iorque-USA > > Year 1919 > > Month Ago > > Box 213 > > Process Nº 66 > > Passport Nº 389 > > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 08-10-1905 > > Age (Petitioner) 13 > > Father (Petitioner) Manuel Soares > > Mother (Petitioner) Rosa Alves > > Father (Spouse) > > Mother (Spouse) > > Name of the Children > > Comments 1.ª saída. Estado civil: solteiro. O requerente vai para a companhia de seu pai. > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > ARM - Passport: > > Petitioner Rosa Alves > > Spouse Manuel Soares > > Companion > > Kinship > > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > > Destination Boston-MA-USA > > Year 1919 > > Month Out > > Box 215 > > Process Nº 52 > > Passport Nº 728 a 729 > > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 24-11-1872 > > Age (Petitioner) 47 > > Father (Petitioner) Manuel Alves > > Mother (Petitioner) Juliana de Freitas > > Father (Spouse) António Soares > > Mother (Spouse) Dória da Câmara > > Name of the Children João (11 anos) e António (9 anos) > > Comments 1.ª saída. A requerente e os filhos vão para a companhai de seu marido e pai. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > Pat > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 9:52:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > Pat, > > Not to change the subject, but does anyone know of a family of Manoel and Rosa Alves Soares from Santa Cruz came to US in 1919? > > Thanks cs > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 00:25:11 +0000 > > > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > > > To: luisbeal@yahoo.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > In searching ARM Martinho is there, I didn't see Martino...but not all of Estreito da Calheta vitals have been indexed. Thank you for your input...;-) > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > p.s. Hoping that Zelia Mullins adds to this thread...she's in SA and I'm sure can be very helpful in pointing out the various sources... > > > > > > Plus I vaguely recall another list member that either was researching her Madeira ancestry in SA, or was a professional researcher from SA...but for the life of me I can't remember her name... > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> > > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:06:34 PM > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > Martinho is both a first and a last name. I don't know if it came from Martins but it is a common name in Portugal. > > > > > > > > > Luis Beal > > > > > > "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." > > > Cicero, Roman orator > > > > > > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > > > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:13 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > > >Hi Lou, > > > > > > > >Thank for replying to my post...It was the first time I had seen the surname of Martinho/Martino also... None in my Madeira family...Very good point about a possible connection with the surname of Martin... > > > > > > > >Pat > > > > > > > >Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "deepsea06" <deepsea06@gmail.com> > > > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:35:46 AM > > > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > > >Pat, > > > > Got your message and did see the post on Martinho, however, that is > > > >the first time I have seen that name in that manner....possibly > > > >connected to Martins? > > > >Lou > > > > > > > >On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Greg Martino > > > ><greg.martino@harveyworld.co.za> wrote: > > > >> Got it. Thanks Pat. > > > >> > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > > > >> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera > > > >> Sent: 14 July 2011 09:25 > > > >> To: Prt-Madeira List Group > > > >> Cc: zmullins > > > >> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > >> > > > >> Hi All, > > > >> > > > >> Just "testing," to see if we're still "live," and on-line... > > > >> > > > >> Let me know if you receive this message... > > > >> > > > >> Thank you, > > > >> Pat > > > >> p.s. hopefully you "all," received the posting seeking help for a new member > > > >> Greg Martino (Martinho)...if not, please let me know... ;-) > > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nope, at present I have zero LDS films on loan...been taking a break for awhile :-) -----Original Message----- From: Pat Corbera [mailto:PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 6:59 PM To: cece@soccer4all.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira Cece, Thank you for adding to this thread, hopefully you will link with Carolyn's husband's family. Do you have any LDS films on loan for the Santa Cruz area? Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cece Camara" <cece@soccer4all.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 1:46:08 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira Pat/Carolyn, I've been reading these posts with interest as we do have Camara, Freitas and Alves from Santa Cruz...problem is I've checked my database and so far nothing is a match...may need to go back another couple of generations to find one. I'll keep watching the thread Carolyn. My father was born in Santa Cruz in 1905...problem is our Camara name only goes back 2 generations before my Dad as his grandfather was an orphan given that name (as was common practice at that time). Now my Freitas goes way back...and Alves are current day cousins still living in Santa Cruz (actually Alves Ferro is the full & current name). Cece Soccer 4 All | Lacrosse 4 All Headquarters 1306 FM 1092 ste 105 | Missouri City, TX 77459 tel: 281.499.6665 x-402| fax: 281.499.9199 | email: cece@soccer4all.com -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:29 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira Carolyn and Cece, List Members, Cece with the surname of Camara from S. Cruz, Madeira...it's possible that there's a link with your family... Thank you for the additional information supplied in your last posting. You asked if "does this make sense to you," yes it does, but only you can answer what you're truly trying to establish... It may prove difficult in locating the descendants of your husband's uncles (Manuel Jr. & Antonio). >From this point on if you're only interested in locating family members in the USA, then you will need to start with your husband's uncles/aunts looking for death records either on line (using FamilySearch.org - or any of the other source that may be fee based). Post to as many of the online message/boards, or even creating one for the surname Soares if there isn't already one... I did locate a couple that may be Soares family members, but without actually seeing additional records it's not possible to establish if they are your husband's family... Now if your interested in tracing your husband's Portuguese roots in Santa Cruz, Madeira, there are records online (or again through the film service of the Mormon Church) that can be ordered and viewed... The information so far is the following: John Ernest Soares (indexed as Seares) b. 16 Aug 1939 Jefferson, Tx parents John Seares and Ruby Mae Landry...(I'm assuming this is your husband/and his parents...correct me if I'm wrong... John Seares/Soares b. abt 1908 S. Cruz Madeira son of Manuel Soares b.abt 1879 S. Cruz m.1904 S. Cruz to Rosa Alves b. abt 1873 S.Cruz. Manuel Soares(Sr.) son of Antonio Soares and Doria da Camara.(Antonio and Doria married 1868 S. Cruz) Rosa Alves daughter of Manuel Alves and Juliana de Freitas (Manuel and Juliana married 1863 S. Cruz)... These records can be ordered from the Madeira Archives...it's possible that Manuel Alves and Juliana de Freitas' marriage record will name their parents...giving you still another generation of ancestors...If you need help in how to order from the Madeira Archives just let me/us know... These records may also be on film, that can be obtained from your local Mormon Church Family History Centers...Check out their website at - www.familysearch.org for a family history center nearest your home...as well as the film numbers for the Santa Cruz, Madeira parish... And it's possible that other members on this list are researching their ancestors/relatives in the Santa Cruz, Madeira area and can add additional researching sources... Here's some possibilities for additional follow-up to establish if they are related to your husband... John SOARES (Father of your husband) Birth Date: 9 Apr 1908 Death Date: 6 Feb 1993 Social Security Number: 454-10-0032 State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Texas Death Residence Localities ZIP Code: 77662 Localities: Lakeview, Orange, Texas North Vidor, Orange, Texas Pine Forest, Orange, Texas Rose City, Orange, Texas Vidor, Orange, Texas Possible record for Anthony Soares (brother of Joao/John and Manuel Jr.)FamilySearch.org 4. Anthony SOARES - U.S. Social Security Death Index Birth: 12 Jun 1910 State Where Number was Issued: Massachusetts Death: Jan 1971 5. Antonio SOARES - U.S. Social Security Death Index Birth: 5 Sep 1910 State Where Number was Issued: Rhode Island Death: 22 Aug 2002 Manuel SOARES (Jr.) Birth Date: 16 Jul 1905 Death Date: Jan 1971 Social Security Number: 014-07-4124 State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Massachusetts Death Residence Localities ZIP Code: 02721 Localities: Fall River, Bristol, Massachusetts Manuel SOARES (Sr.) Birth Date: 12 Oct 1881 Death Date: Sep 1971 Social Security Number: 026-05-6509 State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Massachusetts Death Residence Localities ZIP Code: 02723 Localities: Fall River, Bristol, Massachusetts Hope this helps... Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 7:24:34 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira Thanks again Pat, My husband John Ernest was born in Texas in 1939. His older sister was born in Cambridge, Ma. in 1929, the other 5 children were born in Texas and Lousiana. the last time they heard from his fathers family they were in New Bedford. I believe one of his uncles Manuel Jr. died in a TB hospital. at least one of them was in the service not sure which one. His dad did not talk of his family much. not sure that he could speak too good in English. He did speak several other languages he learned aboard ships. He died in 1993. Does any of this make sense to you? Thank you for this information maybe we can track down any of his family that is left. Carolyn > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 18:39:23 +0000 > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > Hi Carolyn, > > Here' some additional information... > > Then it's possible that the passport record for a Manuel Soares from Santa Cruz is this one, with a 1911 date. This date is 8 years before the passport dates for Rosa and the children... Though it's possible that Manuel made trips back to Madeira in this 8 yr. time span... > > All his children would have been born by this 1911 date...so it's possible... > > This passport tells us the following: > > (1) Gives us his name, possible year of birth/bapt...he was 32 in 1911 - the names of his parents - that this is his first departure, and that the state civil records listed him as being married. Plus it give us the names of his parents... > > Petitioner Manuel Soares > Spouse > Companion > Kinship > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > Destination USA > Year 1911 > Month Mai > Box 160 > Process Nº 32 > Passport Nº 454 > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) > Age (Petitioner) 31 > Father (Petitioner) António Soares > Mother (Petitioner) Dória da Câmara > Father (Spouse) > Mother (Spouse) > Name of the Children > Comments 1.ª saída. Estado civil: casado. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Manuel (Sr's) Immigration/Travel Information: > > Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943 > > Name: Manuel Soares > > Arrival Date:6 Jun 1911 > > Age:31 > > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 > > Gender:Male > > Ethnic Background:Portuguese > > Port of Departure: S. Michaels, Azores, Portugal (31 May 1911) > > Ship Name:Romanic > > Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts > > Friend's Name:Antonio Fernandes > > Last Residence:Madeira > > Birthplace:Sta Cruz, Madeira > > > S.S. Romanic sailing from S. Michaels (Sao Miguel, Azores) > 31 May 1911. Manuel is listed as passenger # 17 Soares, Manuel-age 31 male/married...able to read (no) or write (no) - Last resident Madeira - Santa Cruz - nearest relative in that country - Wife - Rosa Alves Soares - Final Destination - N.Y. Lincoln Park - staying with a Cousin Antonio Fernandes - 10 Buell Road Lincoln Park, New York, this same address information is also noted for passenger #18 a Madruga, Joao F. age 25 also from Santa Cruz with a wife - in Santa Cruz - Maria Fernandes Madruga. Joao F. Madruga listed the Buell address as that being for his brother Antonio F. Fernandes... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Source: Madeira Regional Archives (online) This document can be ordered from the archives for a fee...or possible to view at a Mormon Family History Center by ordering the film also at a fee...If you're not familiar with this procedure just let us know and we (the list) can walk you through it... > > Manuel (Sr.) parent's marriage record..this document may give you the names of Manuel's grandparents... > > António Soares Dória da Câmara Santa Cruz Year: 1868 Book:2528 > Pg: 8 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Possible Rosa's parent's marriage...(same applies as for Manuel noted above for obtaining copy of this record). > > Manuel Alves Juliana de Freitas Santa Cruz Year: 1863 Book: 2523 Pg: 8 v.º > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > I didn't see any Santa Cruz birth records online...though Rosa's sister's address on the shipping manifest indicated that she lived in Sao Roque...that may be a parish to check out, for other clues as to other relatives... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Where was your husband born? Where was the area that your husband's uncles were last associated with in the 50s.? > > Hope all this helps to further your research... > Pat Silva Corbera > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:03:01 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > > Thats the family...thank you. now we have more to go on. > Joao was my father-in-law. my husband is John E. Soares, we live in Texas. His father came to Lake Charles, La. (about 70 miles from our home) > and met my mother in law there, they married and moved to Boston for a while then back to Texas. No one has heard from Manuel or Antiono since in the 50's. > We believe that Manuel sr. and Rosa went back to Madeira. We appreciate this information . > Thanks again. > Carolyn > > > > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:10:57 +0000 > > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > > > Hi Carolyn, > > > > I do not have a Manuel and/or Rosa Alves Soares in my file... > > > > But I did locate who I think may be this family on immigration/travel search on Ancestry.com. > > > > I'm including that information just in case you do not have it... > > > > Soares, Manuael age 12 (either the age is incorrect or the martial status, because he is listed as male/married)...but there's a notation that he's a son under the age of 16...SS. Roma sailed from Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Azores on Aug 31, 1919 arriving Providence RI on Sept 9, 1919. Relative in Madeira noted as being his mother a Rosa Alves, Santa Cruz, Madeira. Going to join his father a Manuel Soares 3 Liverpool Ave. East Boston, MA > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > On another sailing is a Rosa Alves Soares age 46 sailing with 2 children...Joao 11 and Antonio 9 all born Santa Cruz, Madeira...Relative in Madeira is notes as being "sister," Maria Isabel Alves de Sousa of Muro da Coalha, Sao Roque... > > SS Cretic - sailed from Ponta Delgado, Sao Miguel, Azores on 26th Oct 1919 arrived Port of Bost 11th Nov 1919. > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > ARM Passport: Manuel Soares Júnior > > Spouse > > Companion > > Kinship > > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > > Destination Nova Iorque-USA > > Year 1919 > > Month Ago > > Box 213 > > Process Nº 66 > > Passport Nº 389 > > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 08-10-1905 > > Age (Petitioner) 13 > > Father (Petitioner) Manuel Soares > > Mother (Petitioner) Rosa Alves > > Father (Spouse) > > Mother (Spouse) > > Name of the Children > > Comments 1.ª saída. Estado civil: solteiro. O requerente vai para a companhia de seu pai. > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > ARM - Passport: > > Petitioner Rosa Alves > > Spouse Manuel Soares > > Companion > > Kinship > > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > > Destination Boston-MA-USA > > Year 1919 > > Month Out > > Box 215 > > Process Nº 52 > > Passport Nº 728 a 729 > > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 24-11-1872 > > Age (Petitioner) 47 > > Father (Petitioner) Manuel Alves > > Mother (Petitioner) Juliana de Freitas > > Father (Spouse) António Soares > > Mother (Spouse) Dória da Câmara > > Name of the Children João (11 anos) e António (9 anos) > > Comments 1.ª saída. A requerente e os filhos vão para a companhai de seu marido e pai. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > Pat > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 9:52:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > Pat, > > Not to change the subject, but does anyone know of a family of Manoel and Rosa Alves Soares from Santa Cruz came to US in 1919? > > Thanks cs > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 00:25:11 +0000 > > > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > > > To: luisbeal@yahoo.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > In searching ARM Martinho is there, I didn't see Martino...but not all of Estreito da Calheta vitals have been indexed. Thank you for your input...;-) > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > p.s. Hoping that Zelia Mullins adds to this thread...she's in SA and I'm sure can be very helpful in pointing out the various sources... > > > > > > Plus I vaguely recall another list member that either was researching her Madeira ancestry in SA, or was a professional researcher from SA...but for the life of me I can't remember her name... > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> > > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:06:34 PM > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > Martinho is both a first and a last name. I don't know if it came from Martins but it is a common name in Portugal. > > > > > > > > > Luis Beal > > > > > > "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." > > > Cicero, Roman orator > > > > > > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > > > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:13 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > > >Hi Lou, > > > > > > > >Thank for replying to my post...It was the first time I had seen the surname of Martinho/Martino also... None in my Madeira family...Very good point about a possible connection with the surname of Martin... > > > > > > > >Pat > > > > > > > >Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "deepsea06" <deepsea06@gmail.com> > > > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:35:46 AM > > > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > > >Pat, > > > > Got your message and did see the post on Martinho, however, that is > > > >the first time I have seen that name in that manner....possibly > > > >connected to Martins? > > > >Lou > > > > > > > >On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Greg Martino > > > ><greg.martino@harveyworld.co.za> wrote: > > > >> Got it. Thanks Pat. > > > >> > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > > > >> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera > > > >> Sent: 14 July 2011 09:25 > > > >> To: Prt-Madeira List Group > > > >> Cc: zmullins > > > >> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > >> > > > >> Hi All, > > > >> > > > >> Just "testing," to see if we're still "live," and on-line... > > > >> > > > >> Let me know if you receive this message... > > > >> > > > >> Thank you, > > > >> Pat > > > >> p.s. hopefully you "all," received the posting seeking help for a new member > > > >> Greg Martino (Martinho)...if not, please let me know... ;-) > > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. 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