In searching ARM Martinho is there, I didn't see Martino...but not all of Estreito da Calheta vitals have been indexed. Thank you for your input...;-) Pat p.s. Hoping that Zelia Mullins adds to this thread...she's in SA and I'm sure can be very helpful in pointing out the various sources... Plus I vaguely recall another list member that either was researching her Madeira ancestry in SA, or was a professional researcher from SA...but for the life of me I can't remember her name... Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:06:34 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing Martinho is both a first and a last name. I don't know if it came from Martins but it is a common name in Portugal. Luis Beal "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:13 PM >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > >Hi Lou, > >Thank for replying to my post...It was the first time I had seen the surname of Martinho/Martino also... None in my Madeira family...Very good point about a possible connection with the surname of Martin... > >Pat > >Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "deepsea06" <deepsea06@gmail.com> >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:35:46 AM >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > >Pat, > Got your message and did see the post on Martinho, however, that is >the first time I have seen that name in that manner....possibly >connected to Martins? >Lou > >On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Greg Martino ><greg.martino@harveyworld.co.za> wrote: >> Got it. Thanks Pat. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera >> Sent: 14 July 2011 09:25 >> To: Prt-Madeira List Group >> Cc: zmullins >> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing >> >> Hi All, >> >> Just "testing," to see if we're still "live," and on-line... >> >> Let me know if you receive this message... >> >> Thank you, >> Pat >> p.s. hopefully you "all," received the posting seeking help for a new member >> Greg Martino (Martinho)...if not, please let me know... ;-) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
In Portugal it would be Martinho not Martino (maybe in Spain or Italy?). The h was probably dropped since the "nh" sound is hard to pronounce for non portuguese speakers. Luis Beal "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> >To: Luis Beal <luisbeal@yahoo.com>; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:25 PM >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > >In searching ARM Martinho is there, I didn't see Martino...but not all of Estreito da Calheta vitals have been indexed. Thank you for your input...;-) > >Pat > >p.s. Hoping that Zelia Mullins adds to this thread...she's in SA and I'm sure can be very helpful in pointing out the various sources... > >Plus I vaguely recall another list member that either was researching her Madeira ancestry in SA, or was a professional researcher from SA...but for the life of me I can't remember her name... > >Pat > >Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:06:34 PM >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > >Martinho is both a first and a last name. I don't know if it came from Martins but it is a common name in Portugal. > > >Luis Beal > >"Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." >Cicero, Roman orator > >From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> >>To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >>Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:13 PM >>Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing >> >>Hi Lou, >> >>Thank for replying to my post...It was the first time I had seen the surname of Martinho/Martino also... None in my Madeira family...Very good point about a possible connection with the surname of Martin... >> >>Pat >> >>Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "deepsea06" <deepsea06@gmail.com> >>To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >>Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:35:46 AM >>Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing >> >>Pat, >> Got your message and did see the post on Martinho, however, that is >>the first time I have seen that name in that manner....possibly >>connected to Martins? >>Lou >> >>On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Greg Martino >><greg.martino@harveyworld.co.za> wrote: >>> Got it. Thanks Pat. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera >>> Sent: 14 July 2011 09:25 >>> To: Prt-Madeira List Group >>> Cc: zmullins >>> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Just "testing," to see if we're still "live," and on-line... >>> >>> Let me know if you receive this message... >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Pat >>> p.s. hopefully you "all," received the posting seeking help for a new member >>> Greg Martino (Martinho)...if not, please let me know... ;-) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >
Thanks Luis! Yes, my dad and his brothers took the decision to drop the "h" after several misspellings from government departments within South Africa resulted in them not being related anymore, as some of their ID documents had the 'h' in and other had it left out. The last Martinho was my grand father Antonio, born in Etsreito da Calheta between 1901 and 1906. Regards Greg -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Luis Beal Sent: 15 July 2011 02:42 To: list madeira Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing In Portugal it would be Martinho not Martino (maybe in Spain or Italy?). The h was probably dropped since the "nh" sound is hard to pronounce for non portuguese speakers. Luis Beal "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> >To: Luis Beal <luisbeal@yahoo.com>; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:25 PM >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > >In searching ARM Martinho is there, I didn't see Martino...but not all of Estreito da Calheta vitals have been indexed. Thank you for your input...;-) > >Pat > >p.s. Hoping that Zelia Mullins adds to this thread...she's in SA and I'm sure can be very helpful in pointing out the various sources... > >Plus I vaguely recall another list member that either was researching her Madeira ancestry in SA, or was a professional researcher from SA...but for the life of me I can't remember her name... > >Pat > >Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:06:34 PM >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > >Martinho is both a first and a last name. I don't know if it came from Martins but it is a common name in Portugal. > > >Luis Beal > >"Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." >Cicero, Roman orator > >From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> >>To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >>Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:13 PM >>Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing >> >>Hi Lou, >> >>Thank for replying to my post...It was the first time I had seen the surname of Martinho/Martino also... None in my Madeira family...Very good point about a possible connection with the surname of Martin... >> >>Pat >> >>Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "deepsea06" <deepsea06@gmail.com> >>To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >>Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:35:46 AM >>Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing >> >>Pat, >> Got your message and did see the post on Martinho, however, that is >>the first time I have seen that name in that manner....possibly >>connected to Martins? >>Lou >> >>On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Greg Martino >><greg.martino@harveyworld.co.za> wrote: >>> Got it. Thanks Pat. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera >>> Sent: 14 July 2011 09:25 >>> To: Prt-Madeira List Group >>> Cc: zmullins >>> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Just "testing," to see if we're still "live," and on-line... >>> >>> Let me know if you receive this message... >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Pat >>> p.s. hopefully you "all," received the posting seeking help for a new member >>> Greg Martino (Martinho)...if not, please let me know... ;-) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
a. Both Martinho and Martim are names. They come from the Latin - Martinus. ( which originates from Mars, the God of War). Martinho has been used also as a surname. The surname - patronymic - of Martim is Martins. However, apart from that the Martinhos and the Martins have nothing in common. b. The Catanho from Greg's female line, originally is Cattaneo. Comes from Italy. Indeed, the first two brothers Cattaneo, Chirio and Rafae,l.who were from Italian old nobility (actually one of the 28 noble families of Genova, Italy), came to Madeira in the beggining of the 16th century. Most certainly at one point Greg's mother links either to Chirio or Rafael. Regards, Miguel On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 1:41 AM, Luis Beal <luisbeal@yahoo.com> wrote: > In Portugal it would be Martinho not Martino (maybe in Spain or Italy?). > The h was probably dropped since the "nh" sound is hard to pronounce for non > portuguese speakers. > Luis Beal > > "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a > child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the > life of our ancestors." > Cicero, Roman orator > > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > >To: Luis Beal <luisbeal@yahoo.com>; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:25 PM > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > >In searching ARM Martinho is there, I didn't see Martino...but not all of > Estreito da Calheta vitals have been indexed. Thank you for your input...;-) > > > >Pat > > > >p.s. Hoping that Zelia Mullins adds to this thread...she's in SA and I'm > sure can be very helpful in pointing out the various sources... > > > >Plus I vaguely recall another list member that either was researching her > Madeira ancestry in SA, or was a professional researcher from SA...but for > the life of me I can't remember her name... > > > >Pat > > > >Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:06:34 PM > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > >Martinho is both a first and a last name. I don't know if it came from > Martins but it is a common name in Portugal. > > > > > >Luis Beal > > > >"Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a > child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the > life of our ancestors." > >Cicero, Roman orator > > > >From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > >>To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >>Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:13 PM > >>Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > >> > >>Hi Lou, > >> > >>Thank for replying to my post...It was the first time I had seen the > surname of Martinho/Martino also... None in my Madeira family...Very good > point about a possible connection with the surname of Martin... > >> > >>Pat > >> > >>Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "deepsea06" <deepsea06@gmail.com> > >>To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >>Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:35:46 AM > >>Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > >> > >>Pat, > >> Got your message and did see the post on Martinho, however, that is > >>the first time I have seen that name in that manner....possibly > >>connected to Martins? > >>Lou > >> > >>On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Greg Martino > >><greg.martino@harveyworld.co.za> wrote: > >>> Got it. Thanks Pat. > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > >>> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera > >>> Sent: 14 July 2011 09:25 > >>> To: Prt-Madeira List Group > >>> Cc: zmullins > >>> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > >>> > >>> Hi All, > >>> > >>> Just "testing," to see if we're still "live," and on-line... > >>> > >>> Let me know if you receive this message... > >>> > >>> Thank you, > >>> Pat > >>> p.s. hopefully you "all," received the posting seeking help for a new > member > >>> Greg Martino (Martinho)...if not, please let me know... ;-) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Dear Primo Miguel, Once again, thank you for addding to this "quest," of learning about Greg's family history... Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> To: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com>, prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 1:51:49 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing a. Both Martinho and Martim are names. They come from the Latin - Martinus. ( which originates from Mars, the God of War). Martinho has been used also as a surname. The surname - patronymic - of Martim is Martins. However, apart from that the Martinhos and the Martins have nothing in common. b. The Catanho from Greg's female line, originally is Cattaneo. Comes from Italy. Indeed, the first two brothers Cattaneo, Chirio and Rafae,l.who were from Italian old nobility (actually one of the 28 noble families of Genova, Italy), came to Madeira in the beggining of the 16th century. Most certainly at one point Greg's mother links either to Chirio or Rafael. Regards, Miguel On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 1:41 AM, Luis Beal <luisbeal@yahoo.com> wrote: > In Portugal it would be Martinho not Martino (maybe in Spain or Italy?). > The h was probably dropped since the "nh" sound is hard to pronounce for non > portuguese speakers. > Luis Beal > > "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a > child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the > life of our ancestors." > Cicero, Roman orator > > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > >To: Luis Beal <luisbeal@yahoo.com>; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:25 PM > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > >In searching ARM Martinho is there, I didn't see Martino...but not all of > Estreito da Calheta vitals have been indexed. Thank you for your input...;-) > > > >Pat > > > >p.s. Hoping that Zelia Mullins adds to this thread...she's in SA and I'm > sure can be very helpful in pointing out the various sources... > > > >Plus I vaguely recall another list member that either was researching her > Madeira ancestry in SA, or was a professional researcher from SA...but for > the life of me I can't remember her name... > > > >Pat > > > >Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:06:34 PM > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > >Martinho is both a first and a last name. I don't know if it came from > Martins but it is a common name in Portugal. > > > > > >Luis Beal > > > >"Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a > child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the > life of our ancestors." > >Cicero, Roman orator > > > >From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > >>To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >>Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:13 PM > >>Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > >> > >>Hi Lou, > >> > >>Thank for replying to my post...It was the first time I had seen the > surname of Martinho/Martino also... None in my Madeira family...Very good > point about a possible connection with the surname of Martin... > >> > >>Pat > >> > >>Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "deepsea06" <deepsea06@gmail.com> > >>To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >>Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:35:46 AM > >>Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > >> > >>Pat, > >> Got your message and did see the post on Martinho, however, that is > >>the first time I have seen that name in that manner....possibly > >>connected to Martins? > >>Lou > >> > >>On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Greg Martino > >><greg.martino@harveyworld.co.za> wrote: > >>> Got it. Thanks Pat. > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > >>> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera > >>> Sent: 14 July 2011 09:25 > >>> To: Prt-Madeira List Group > >>> Cc: zmullins > >>> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > >>> > >>> Hi All, > >>> > >>> Just "testing," to see if we're still "live," and on-line... > >>> > >>> Let me know if you receive this message... > >>> > >>> Thank you, > >>> Pat > >>> p.s. hopefully you "all," received the posting seeking help for a new > member > >>> Greg Martino (Martinho)...if not, please let me know... ;-) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Pat, Not to change the subject, but does anyone know of a family of Manoel and Rosa Alves Soares from Santa Cruz came to US in 1919? Thanks cs > Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 00:25:11 +0000 > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > To: luisbeal@yahoo.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > In searching ARM Martinho is there, I didn't see Martino...but not all of Estreito da Calheta vitals have been indexed. Thank you for your input...;-) > > Pat > > p.s. Hoping that Zelia Mullins adds to this thread...she's in SA and I'm sure can be very helpful in pointing out the various sources... > > Plus I vaguely recall another list member that either was researching her Madeira ancestry in SA, or was a professional researcher from SA...but for the life of me I can't remember her name... > > Pat > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:06:34 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > Martinho is both a first and a last name. I don't know if it came from Martins but it is a common name in Portugal. > > > Luis Beal > > "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." > Cicero, Roman orator > > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:13 PM > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > >Hi Lou, > > > >Thank for replying to my post...It was the first time I had seen the surname of Martinho/Martino also... None in my Madeira family...Very good point about a possible connection with the surname of Martin... > > > >Pat > > > >Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "deepsea06" <deepsea06@gmail.com> > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:35:46 AM > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > >Pat, > > Got your message and did see the post on Martinho, however, that is > >the first time I have seen that name in that manner....possibly > >connected to Martins? > >Lou > > > >On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Greg Martino > ><greg.martino@harveyworld.co.za> wrote: > >> Got it. Thanks Pat. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > >> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera > >> Sent: 14 July 2011 09:25 > >> To: Prt-Madeira List Group > >> Cc: zmullins > >> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > >> > >> Hi All, > >> > >> Just "testing," to see if we're still "live," and on-line... > >> > >> Let me know if you receive this message... > >> > >> Thank you, > >> Pat > >> p.s. hopefully you "all," received the posting seeking help for a new member > >> Greg Martino (Martinho)...if not, please let me know... ;-) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Carolyn, I do not have a Manuel and/or Rosa Alves Soares in my file... But I did locate who I think may be this family on immigration/travel search on Ancestry.com. I'm including that information just in case you do not have it... Soares, Manuael age 12 (either the age is incorrect or the martial status, because he is listed as male/married)...but there's a notation that he's a son under the age of 16...SS. Roma sailed from Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Azores on Aug 31, 1919 arriving Providence RI on Sept 9, 1919. Relative in Madeira noted as being his mother a Rosa Alves, Santa Cruz, Madeira. Going to join his father a Manuel Soares 3 Liverpool Ave. East Boston, MA ~~~~~~~~~~ On another sailing is a Rosa Alves Soares age 46 sailing with 2 children...Joao 11 and Antonio 9 all born Santa Cruz, Madeira...Relative in Madeira is notes as being "sister," Maria Isabel Alves de Sousa of Muro da Coalha, Sao Roque... SS Cretic - sailed from Ponta Delgado, Sao Miguel, Azores on 26th Oct 1919 arrived Port of Bost 11th Nov 1919. ~~~~~~~~~~ ARM Passport: Manuel Soares Júnior Spouse Companion Kinship Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM Destination Nova Iorque-USA Year 1919 Month Ago Box 213 Process Nº 66 Passport Nº 389 Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 08-10-1905 Age (Petitioner) 13 Father (Petitioner) Manuel Soares Mother (Petitioner) Rosa Alves Father (Spouse) Mother (Spouse) Name of the Children Comments 1.ª saída. Estado civil: solteiro. O requerente vai para a companhia de seu pai. ~~~~~~~~~~ ARM - Passport: Petitioner Rosa Alves Spouse Manuel Soares Companion Kinship Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM Destination Boston-MA-USA Year 1919 Month Out Box 215 Process Nº 52 Passport Nº 728 a 729 Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 24-11-1872 Age (Petitioner) 47 Father (Petitioner) Manuel Alves Mother (Petitioner) Juliana de Freitas Father (Spouse) António Soares Mother (Spouse) Dória da Câmara Name of the Children João (11 anos) e António (9 anos) Comments 1.ª saída. A requerente e os filhos vão para a companhai de seu marido e pai. ~~~~~~~~~~ Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 9:52:39 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing Pat, Not to change the subject, but does anyone know of a family of Manoel and Rosa Alves Soares from Santa Cruz came to US in 1919? Thanks cs > Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 00:25:11 +0000 > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > To: luisbeal@yahoo.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > In searching ARM Martinho is there, I didn't see Martino...but not all of Estreito da Calheta vitals have been indexed. Thank you for your input...;-) > > Pat > > p.s. Hoping that Zelia Mullins adds to this thread...she's in SA and I'm sure can be very helpful in pointing out the various sources... > > Plus I vaguely recall another list member that either was researching her Madeira ancestry in SA, or was a professional researcher from SA...but for the life of me I can't remember her name... > > Pat > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:06:34 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > Martinho is both a first and a last name. I don't know if it came from Martins but it is a common name in Portugal. > > > Luis Beal > > "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." > Cicero, Roman orator > > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:13 PM > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > >Hi Lou, > > > >Thank for replying to my post...It was the first time I had seen the surname of Martinho/Martino also... None in my Madeira family...Very good point about a possible connection with the surname of Martin... > > > >Pat > > > >Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "deepsea06" <deepsea06@gmail.com> > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:35:46 AM > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > >Pat, > > Got your message and did see the post on Martinho, however, that is > >the first time I have seen that name in that manner....possibly > >connected to Martins? > >Lou > > > >On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Greg Martino > ><greg.martino@harveyworld.co.za> wrote: > >> Got it. Thanks Pat. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > >> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera > >> Sent: 14 July 2011 09:25 > >> To: Prt-Madeira List Group > >> Cc: zmullins > >> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > >> > >> Hi All, > >> > >> Just "testing," to see if we're still "live," and on-line... > >> > >> Let me know if you receive this message... > >> > >> Thank you, > >> Pat > >> p.s. hopefully you "all," received the posting seeking help for a new member > >> Greg Martino (Martinho)...if not, please let me know... ;-) > >>