Thank y -----Original Message----- From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> To: prt-madeira <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Cc: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> Sent: Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:33 pm Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists Dear Pat, the other note was not more eloquent than this one .... Anyway I remember that in the title Baptistas, from FMPS, there is also a mention of a Porto- Carreiro married to a lady Baptista. Porto Carreiro is a very rare name in Madeira. Quite recently I read in Tizón de la Nobleza Española, by the Cardinal Francisco de Medoza y Bobadilla, 16 th century that the Porto-Carreros (from which came the Portuguese Porto Carreiro branch) had a jewish origin - and as it originated in Spain it is most certainly sephardic. you can read this most famous book here (in spanish) http://www.argentinawarez.com/ebooks-gratis/1020335-libro-el-tizon-de-la-nobleza-espanola-de-francisco-de-mendoza-y-bobadilla.html Hugs, Miguel On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>wrote: > Dear Primo Miguel, > > Thank you... It's as you said, "on pg 265," wish it said more about the > linking to Tristao Vaz, other than just citing they were primos... > > I appreciate your help... > > Hugs, > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 2:55:57 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > > Pat, > > > There is also another reference from Clode's book: > > O primeiro de que temos notícia, foi Rodrigo Afonso Porto.Carreiro, primo > do > descobridor Tristâo Vaz.e um dos primitvos colonizadores desta ilha. > > > > pg. 265, título PORTO CARREIRO from Famílias que Passaram à Madeira - you > can find it on NESOS- > > Miguel > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques < > migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Pat, > > > > Unfortunately I don't have the number of the revista. I saw it many years > > ago, then added it to my Teixeira's file. It was a very brief note. > > > > Miguel > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Pat Corbera < > PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>wrote: > > > >> Miguel, > >> > >> Can I access this note of revista, and if so how do I locate it? > >> > >> Pat > >> > >> Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> > >> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 7:13:28 AM > >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > >> Pat, > >> > >> Not me, it was Dr. João Cabral de Nascimento, in a note of revista do > AHM > >> which unfortunately I cannot retrieve right now.. > >> > >> Miguel > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Pat Corbera < > PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > >> >wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > Miguel, > >> > > >> > How are you linking the Portocarreiro family to Tristao Vaz Teixeira? > >> > > >> > Pat > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com > > > >> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> > Sent: Monday, March 7, 2011 5:36:46 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > >> > Denise, > >> > > >> > It's still a controversial matter. In the old documents he is both > >> called > >> > Tristão Vaz and Tristão da Ilha and only later (by some of the XVII th > >> > century chroniclers), Tristão Vaz Teixeira. > >> > > >> > Anyway it seems that he probably was Teixeira, as he was cousin of > João > >> > Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo (FCR). And he was also cousin of a > >> > Portocarreiro. > >> > > >> > Curiously he was granted a new coat of arms, a silver Phoenix burning > in > >> > flames over an azure field, but his descedants used only the coat of > >> arms > >> > of > >> > the Teixeiras, arguably from Branca Teixeira, his wife. > >> > > >> > Apart of that I think that almost every Madeiran, who has at least two > >> full > >> > generations of madeirans behind him, descends from him , -) > >> > > >> > BTW João Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo, was one of the first setllers > with > >> > the > >> > highest status: FCR. (Fidalgo da Casa Real) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Denise <denise1270@aol.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > I noticed that is said Tristão Vaz took the name Teixeira, from my > >> > > understanding he never went by that name though he is commonly > >> referred > >> > to > >> > > as Vaz Teixeira. > >> > > > >> > > Denise D'Antona > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> > >> > > To: prt-madeira <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > >> > > Sent: Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:30 pm > >> > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Miguel > >> > > > >> > > Not entirely accurate and many typos. Imagine Veloso or Veloza is > >> > ommitted! > >> > > > >> > > Cheeers, > >> > > > >> > > José > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ________________________________ > >> > > > >> > > From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com > > > >> > > > >> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> > > > >> > > Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 9:22:47 PM > >> > > > >> > > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > not entirely accurate and with a spanish spelling as in Gomez > instead > >> of > >> > > > >> > > Gomes and Gonzalez instead of Gonçalves, and Aldemar instead of > >> Aldrama > >> > or > >> > > > >> > > Aldramar, etc. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > but interesting nonetheless. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > http://madeiragenealogy.com/sobre/os-nomes/ > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the > >> > > quotes > >> > > > >> > > in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > >> > > > >> > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the > >> > body > >> > > of > >> > > > >> > > the message > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the > >> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Pat, > > > There is also another reference from Clode's book: > > O primeiro de que temos notícia, foi Rodrigo Afonso Porto.Carreiro, primo > do > descobridor Tristâo Vaz.e um dos primitvos colonizadores desta ilha. > > > > pg. 265, título PORTO CARREIRO from Famílias que Passaram à Madeira - you > can find it on NESOS- > > Miguel > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques < > migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Pat, > > > > Unfortunately I don't have the number of the revista. I saw it many years > > ago, then added it to my Teixeira's file. It was a very brief note. > > > > Miguel > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Pat Corbera < > PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>wrote: > > > >> Miguel, > >> > >> Can I access this note of revista, and if so how do I locate it? > >> > >> Pat > >> > >> Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> > >> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 7:13:28 AM > >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > >> Pat, > >> > >> Not me, it was Dr. João Cabral de Nascimento, in a note of revista do > AHM > >> which unfortunately I cannot retrieve right now.. > >> > >> Miguel > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Pat Corbera < > PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > >> >wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > Miguel, > >> > > >> > How are you linking the Portocarreiro family to Tristao Vaz Teixeira? > >> > > >> > Pat > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com > > > >> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> > Sent: Monday, March 7, 2011 5:36:46 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > >> > Denise, > >> > > >> > It's still a controversial matter. In the old documents he is both > >> called > >> > Tristão Vaz and Tristão da Ilha and only later (by some of the XVII th > >> > century chroniclers), Tristão Vaz Teixeira. > >> > > >> > Anyway it seems that he probably was Teixeira, as he was cousin of > João > >> > Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo (FCR). And he was also cousin of a > >> > Portocarreiro. > >> > > >> > Curiously he was granted a new coat of arms, a silver Phoenix burning > in > >> > flames over an azure field, but his descedants used only the coat of > >> arms > >> > of > >> > the Teixeiras, arguably from Branca Teixeira, his wife. > >> > > >> > Apart of that I think that almost every Madeiran, who has at least two > >> full > >> > generations of madeirans behind him, descends from him , -) > >> > > >> > BTW João Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo, was one of the first setllers > with > >> > the > >> > highest status: FCR. (Fidalgo da Casa Real) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Denise <denise1270@aol.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > I noticed that is said Tristão Vaz took the name Teixeira, from my > >> > > understanding he never went by that name though he is commonly > >> referred > >> > to > >> > > as Vaz Teixeira. > >> > > > >> > > Denise D'Antona > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> > >> > > To: prt-madeira <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > >> > > Sent: Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:30 pm > >> > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Miguel > >> > > > >> > > Not entirely accurate and many typos. Imagine Veloso or Veloza is > >> > ommitted! > >> > > > >> > > Cheeers, > >> > > > >> > > José > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ________________________________ > >> > > > >> > > From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com > > > >> > > > >> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> > > > >> > > Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 9:22:47 PM > >> > > > >> > > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > not entirely accurate and with a spanish spelling as in Gomez > instead > >> of > >> > > > >> > > Gomes and Gonzalez instead of Gonçalves, and Aldemar instead of > >> Aldrama > >> > or > >> > > > >> > > Aldramar, etc. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > but interesting nonetheless. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > http://madeiragenealogy.com/sobre/os-nomes/ > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the > >> > > quotes > >> > > > >> > > in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > >> > > > >> > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the > >> > body > >> > > of > >> > > > >> > > the message > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the > >> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message