Pat, There is also another reference from Clode's book: O primeiro de que temos notícia, foi Rodrigo Afonso Porto.Carreiro, primo do descobridor Tristâo Vaz.e um dos primitvos colonizadores desta ilha. pg. 265, título PORTO CARREIRO from Famílias que Passaram à Madeira - you can find it on NESOS- Miguel On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques < migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> wrote: > Pat, > > Unfortunately I don't have the number of the revista. I saw it many years > ago, then added it to my Teixeira's file. It was a very brief note. > > Miguel > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>wrote: > >> Miguel, >> >> Can I access this note of revista, and if so how do I locate it? >> >> Pat >> >> Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> >> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 7:13:28 AM >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists >> >> Pat, >> >> Not me, it was Dr. João Cabral de Nascimento, in a note of revista do AHM >> which unfortunately I cannot retrieve right now.. >> >> Miguel >> >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net >> >wrote: >> >> > >> > Miguel, >> > >> > How are you linking the Portocarreiro family to Tristao Vaz Teixeira? >> > >> > Pat >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> >> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> > Sent: Monday, March 7, 2011 5:36:46 PM >> > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists >> > >> > Denise, >> > >> > It's still a controversial matter. In the old documents he is both >> called >> > Tristão Vaz and Tristão da Ilha and only later (by some of the XVII th >> > century chroniclers), Tristão Vaz Teixeira. >> > >> > Anyway it seems that he probably was Teixeira, as he was cousin of João >> > Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo (FCR). And he was also cousin of a >> > Portocarreiro. >> > >> > Curiously he was granted a new coat of arms, a silver Phoenix burning in >> > flames over an azure field, but his descedants used only the coat of >> arms >> > of >> > the Teixeiras, arguably from Branca Teixeira, his wife. >> > >> > Apart of that I think that almost every Madeiran, who has at least two >> full >> > generations of madeirans behind him, descends from him , -) >> > >> > BTW João Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo, was one of the first setllers with >> > the >> > highest status: FCR. (Fidalgo da Casa Real) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Denise <denise1270@aol.com> wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > I noticed that is said Tristão Vaz took the name Teixeira, from my >> > > understanding he never went by that name though he is commonly >> referred >> > to >> > > as Vaz Teixeira. >> > > >> > > Denise D'Antona >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> >> > > To: prt-madeira <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >> > > Sent: Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:30 pm >> > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists >> > > >> > > >> > > Miguel >> > > >> > > Not entirely accurate and many typos. Imagine Veloso or Veloza is >> > ommitted! >> > > >> > > Cheeers, >> > > >> > > José >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ________________________________ >> > > >> > > From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> >> > > >> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> > > >> > > Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 9:22:47 PM >> > > >> > > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > not entirely accurate and with a spanish spelling as in Gomez instead >> of >> > > >> > > Gomes and Gonzalez instead of Gonçalves, and Aldemar instead of >> Aldrama >> > or >> > > >> > > Aldramar, etc. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > but interesting nonetheless. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > http://madeiragenealogy.com/sobre/os-nomes/ >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> > > quotes >> > > >> > > in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com >> > > >> > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> > body >> > > of >> > > >> > > the message >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Dear Primo Miguel, Thank you... It's as you said, "on pg 265," wish it said more about the linking to Tristao Vaz, other than just citing they were primos... I appreciate your help... Hugs, Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 2:55:57 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists Pat, There is also another reference from Clode's book: O primeiro de que temos notícia, foi Rodrigo Afonso Porto.Carreiro, primo do descobridor Tristâo Vaz.e um dos primitvos colonizadores desta ilha. pg. 265, título PORTO CARREIRO from Famílias que Passaram à Madeira - you can find it on NESOS- Miguel On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques < migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> wrote: > Pat, > > Unfortunately I don't have the number of the revista. I saw it many years > ago, then added it to my Teixeira's file. It was a very brief note. > > Miguel > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>wrote: > >> Miguel, >> >> Can I access this note of revista, and if so how do I locate it? >> >> Pat >> >> Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> >> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 7:13:28 AM >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists >> >> Pat, >> >> Not me, it was Dr. João Cabral de Nascimento, in a note of revista do AHM >> which unfortunately I cannot retrieve right now.. >> >> Miguel >> >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net >> >wrote: >> >> > >> > Miguel, >> > >> > How are you linking the Portocarreiro family to Tristao Vaz Teixeira? >> > >> > Pat >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> >> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> > Sent: Monday, March 7, 2011 5:36:46 PM >> > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists >> > >> > Denise, >> > >> > It's still a controversial matter. In the old documents he is both >> called >> > Tristão Vaz and Tristão da Ilha and only later (by some of the XVII th >> > century chroniclers), Tristão Vaz Teixeira. >> > >> > Anyway it seems that he probably was Teixeira, as he was cousin of João >> > Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo (FCR). And he was also cousin of a >> > Portocarreiro. >> > >> > Curiously he was granted a new coat of arms, a silver Phoenix burning in >> > flames over an azure field, but his descedants used only the coat of >> arms >> > of >> > the Teixeiras, arguably from Branca Teixeira, his wife. >> > >> > Apart of that I think that almost every Madeiran, who has at least two >> full >> > generations of madeirans behind him, descends from him , -) >> > >> > BTW João Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo, was one of the first setllers with >> > the >> > highest status: FCR. (Fidalgo da Casa Real) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Denise <denise1270@aol.com> wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > I noticed that is said Tristão Vaz took the name Teixeira, from my >> > > understanding he never went by that name though he is commonly >> referred >> > to >> > > as Vaz Teixeira. >> > > >> > > Denise D'Antona >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> >> > > To: prt-madeira <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >> > > Sent: Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:30 pm >> > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists >> > > >> > > >> > > Miguel >> > > >> > > Not entirely accurate and many typos. Imagine Veloso or Veloza is >> > ommitted! >> > > >> > > Cheeers, >> > > >> > > José >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ________________________________ >> > > >> > > From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> >> > > >> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> > > >> > > Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 9:22:47 PM >> > > >> > > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > not entirely accurate and with a spanish spelling as in Gomez instead >> of >> > > >> > > Gomes and Gonzalez instead of Gonçalves, and Aldemar instead of >> Aldrama >> > or >> > > >> > > Aldramar, etc. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > but interesting nonetheless. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > http://madeiragenealogy.com/sobre/os-nomes/ >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> > > quotes >> > > >> > > in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com >> > > >> > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> > body >> > > of >> > > >> > > the message >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Pat, There is also another reference from Clode's book: O primeiro de que temos notícia, foi Rodrigo Afonso Porto.Carreiro, primo do descobridor Tristâo Vaz.e um dos primitvos colonizadores desta ilha. pg. 265, título PORTO CARREIRO from Famílias que Passaram à Madeira - you can find it on NESOS- Miguel On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques < migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> wrote: > Pat, > > Unfortunately I don't have the number of the revista. I saw it many years > ago, then added it to my Teixeira's file. It was a very brief note. > > Miguel > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>wrote: > >> Miguel, >> >> Can I access this note of revista, and if so how do I locate it? >> >> Pat >> >> Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> >> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 7:13:28 AM >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists >> >> Pat, >> >> Not me, it was Dr. João Cabral de Nascimento, in a note of revista do AHM >> which unfortunately I cannot retrieve right now.. >> >> Miguel >> >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net >> >wrote: >> >> > >> > Miguel, >> > >> > How are you linking the Portocarreiro family to Tristao Vaz Teixeira? >> > >> > Pat >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> >> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> > Sent: Monday, March 7, 2011 5:36:46 PM >> > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists >> > >> > Denise, >> > >> > It's still a controversial matter. In the old documents he is both >> called >> > Tristão Vaz and Tristão da Ilha and only later (by some of the XVII th >> > century chroniclers), Tristão Vaz Teixeira. >> > >> > Anyway it seems that he probably was Teixeira, as he was cousin of João >> > Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo (FCR). And he was also cousin of a >> > Portocarreiro. >> > >> > Curiously he was granted a new coat of arms, a silver Phoenix burning in >> > flames over an azure field, but his descedants used only the coat of >> arms >> > of >> > the Teixeiras, arguably from Branca Teixeira, his wife. >> > >> > Apart of that I think that almost every Madeiran, who has at least two >> full >> > generations of madeirans behind him, descends from him , -) >> > >> > BTW João Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo, was one of the first setllers with >> > the >> > highest status: FCR. (Fidalgo da Casa Real) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Denise <denise1270@aol.com> wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > I noticed that is said Tristão Vaz took the name Teixeira, from my >> > > understanding he never went by that name though he is commonly >> referred >> > to >> > > as Vaz Teixeira. >> > > >> > > Denise D'Antona >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> >> > > To: prt-madeira <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >> > > Sent: Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:30 pm >> > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists >> > > >> > > >> > > Miguel >> > > >> > > Not entirely accurate and many typos. Imagine Veloso or Veloza is >> > ommitted! >> > > >> > > Cheeers, >> > > >> > > José >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ________________________________ >> > > >> > > From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> >> > > >> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> > > >> > > Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 9:22:47 PM >> > > >> > > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > not entirely accurate and with a spanish spelling as in Gomez instead >> of >> > > >> > > Gomes and Gonzalez instead of Gonçalves, and Aldemar instead of >> Aldrama >> > or >> > > >> > > Aldramar, etc. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > but interesting nonetheless. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > http://madeiragenealogy.com/sobre/os-nomes/ >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> > > quotes >> > > >> > > in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com >> > > >> > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> > body >> > > of >> > > >> > > the message >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Pat, the other note was not more eloquent than this one .... Anyway I remember that in the title Baptistas, from FMPS, there is also a mention of a Porto- Carreiro married to a lady Baptista. Porto Carreiro is a very rare name in Madeira. Quite recently I read in Tizón de la Nobleza Española, by the Cardinal Francisco de Medoza y Bobadilla, 16 th century that the Porto-Carreros (from which came the Portuguese Porto Carreiro branch) had a jewish origin - and as it originated in Spain it is most certainly sephardic. you can read this most famous book here (in spanish) http://www.argentinawarez.com/ebooks-gratis/1020335-libro-el-tizon-de-la-nobleza-espanola-de-francisco-de-mendoza-y-bobadilla.html Hugs, Miguel On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>wrote: > Dear Primo Miguel, > > Thank you... It's as you said, "on pg 265," wish it said more about the > linking to Tristao Vaz, other than just citing they were primos... > > I appreciate your help... > > Hugs, > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 2:55:57 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > > Pat, > > > There is also another reference from Clode's book: > > O primeiro de que temos notícia, foi Rodrigo Afonso Porto.Carreiro, primo > do > descobridor Tristâo Vaz.e um dos primitvos colonizadores desta ilha. > > > > pg. 265, título PORTO CARREIRO from Famílias que Passaram à Madeira - you > can find it on NESOS- > > Miguel > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques < > migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Pat, > > > > Unfortunately I don't have the number of the revista. I saw it many years > > ago, then added it to my Teixeira's file. It was a very brief note. > > > > Miguel > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Pat Corbera < > PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>wrote: > > > >> Miguel, > >> > >> Can I access this note of revista, and if so how do I locate it? > >> > >> Pat > >> > >> Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> > >> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 7:13:28 AM > >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > >> Pat, > >> > >> Not me, it was Dr. João Cabral de Nascimento, in a note of revista do > AHM > >> which unfortunately I cannot retrieve right now.. > >> > >> Miguel > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Pat Corbera < > PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > >> >wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > Miguel, > >> > > >> > How are you linking the Portocarreiro family to Tristao Vaz Teixeira? > >> > > >> > Pat > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com > > > >> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> > Sent: Monday, March 7, 2011 5:36:46 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > >> > Denise, > >> > > >> > It's still a controversial matter. In the old documents he is both > >> called > >> > Tristão Vaz and Tristão da Ilha and only later (by some of the XVII th > >> > century chroniclers), Tristão Vaz Teixeira. > >> > > >> > Anyway it seems that he probably was Teixeira, as he was cousin of > João > >> > Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo (FCR). And he was also cousin of a > >> > Portocarreiro. > >> > > >> > Curiously he was granted a new coat of arms, a silver Phoenix burning > in > >> > flames over an azure field, but his descedants used only the coat of > >> arms > >> > of > >> > the Teixeiras, arguably from Branca Teixeira, his wife. > >> > > >> > Apart of that I think that almost every Madeiran, who has at least two > >> full > >> > generations of madeirans behind him, descends from him , -) > >> > > >> > BTW João Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo, was one of the first setllers > with > >> > the > >> > highest status: FCR. (Fidalgo da Casa Real) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Denise <denise1270@aol.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > I noticed that is said Tristão Vaz took the name Teixeira, from my > >> > > understanding he never went by that name though he is commonly > >> referred > >> > to > >> > > as Vaz Teixeira. > >> > > > >> > > Denise D'Antona > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> > >> > > To: prt-madeira <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > >> > > Sent: Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:30 pm > >> > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Miguel > >> > > > >> > > Not entirely accurate and many typos. Imagine Veloso or Veloza is > >> > ommitted! > >> > > > >> > > Cheeers, > >> > > > >> > > José > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ________________________________ > >> > > > >> > > From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com > > > >> > > > >> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> > > > >> > > Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 9:22:47 PM > >> > > > >> > > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > not entirely accurate and with a spanish spelling as in Gomez > instead > >> of > >> > > > >> > > Gomes and Gonzalez instead of Gonçalves, and Aldemar instead of > >> Aldrama > >> > or > >> > > > >> > > Aldramar, etc. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > but interesting nonetheless. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > http://madeiragenealogy.com/sobre/os-nomes/ > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the > >> > > quotes > >> > > > >> > > in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > >> > > > >> > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the > >> > body > >> > > of > >> > > > >> > > the message > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the > >> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Pat, > > > There is also another reference from Clode's book: > > O primeiro de que temos notícia, foi Rodrigo Afonso Porto.Carreiro, primo > do > descobridor Tristâo Vaz.e um dos primitvos colonizadores desta ilha. > > > > pg. 265, título PORTO CARREIRO from Famílias que Passaram à Madeira - you > can find it on NESOS- > > Miguel > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques < > migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Pat, > > > > Unfortunately I don't have the number of the revista. I saw it many years > > ago, then added it to my Teixeira's file. It was a very brief note. > > > > Miguel > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Pat Corbera < > PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>wrote: > > > >> Miguel, > >> > >> Can I access this note of revista, and if so how do I locate it? > >> > >> Pat > >> > >> Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> > >> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 7:13:28 AM > >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > >> Pat, > >> > >> Not me, it was Dr. João Cabral de Nascimento, in a note of revista do > AHM > >> which unfortunately I cannot retrieve right now.. > >> > >> Miguel > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Pat Corbera < > PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > >> >wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > Miguel, > >> > > >> > How are you linking the Portocarreiro family to Tristao Vaz Teixeira? > >> > > >> > Pat > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com > > > >> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> > Sent: Monday, March 7, 2011 5:36:46 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > >> > Denise, > >> > > >> > It's still a controversial matter. In the old documents he is both > >> called > >> > Tristão Vaz and Tristão da Ilha and only later (by some of the XVII th > >> > century chroniclers), Tristão Vaz Teixeira. > >> > > >> > Anyway it seems that he probably was Teixeira, as he was cousin of > João > >> > Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo (FCR). And he was also cousin of a > >> > Portocarreiro. > >> > > >> > Curiously he was granted a new coat of arms, a silver Phoenix burning > in > >> > flames over an azure field, but his descedants used only the coat of > >> arms > >> > of > >> > the Teixeiras, arguably from Branca Teixeira, his wife. > >> > > >> > Apart of that I think that almost every Madeiran, who has at least two > >> full > >> > generations of madeirans behind him, descends from him , -) > >> > > >> > BTW João Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo, was one of the first setllers > with > >> > the > >> > highest status: FCR. (Fidalgo da Casa Real) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Denise <denise1270@aol.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > I noticed that is said Tristão Vaz took the name Teixeira, from my > >> > > understanding he never went by that name though he is commonly > >> referred > >> > to > >> > > as Vaz Teixeira. > >> > > > >> > > Denise D'Antona > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> > >> > > To: prt-madeira <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > >> > > Sent: Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:30 pm > >> > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Miguel > >> > > > >> > > Not entirely accurate and many typos. Imagine Veloso or Veloza is > >> > ommitted! > >> > > > >> > > Cheeers, > >> > > > >> > > José > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ________________________________ > >> > > > >> > > From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com > > > >> > > > >> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> > > > >> > > Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 9:22:47 PM > >> > > > >> > > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > not entirely accurate and with a spanish spelling as in Gomez > instead > >> of > >> > > > >> > > Gomes and Gonzalez instead of Gonçalves, and Aldemar instead of > >> Aldrama > >> > or > >> > > > >> > > Aldramar, etc. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > but interesting nonetheless. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > http://madeiragenealogy.com/sobre/os-nomes/ > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the > >> > > quotes > >> > > > >> > > in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > >> > > > >> > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the > >> > body > >> > > of > >> > > > >> > > the message > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the > >> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you to the person who responded about Tristao Vaz name, and yes I am one of his descendants as well as the many others!! ;) Maybe I missed something, but do we know how is related to the Porto Carreiro exactly? Denise D'Antona -----Original Message----- From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> To: prt-madeira <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Cc: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> Sent: Tue, Mar 8, 2011 7:33 pm Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists Dear Pat, the other note was not more eloquent than this one .... Anyway I remember that in the title Baptistas, from FMPS, there is also a mention of a Porto- Carreiro married to a lady Baptista. Porto Carreiro is a very rare name in Madeira. Quite recently I read in Tizón de la Nobleza Española, by the Cardinal Francisco de Medoza y Bobadilla, 16 th century that the Porto-Carreros (from which came the Portuguese Porto Carreiro branch) had a jewish origin - and as it originated in Spain it is most certainly sephardic. you can read this most famous book here (in spanish) http://www.argentinawarez.com/ebooks-gratis/1020335-libro-el-tizon-de-la-nobleza-espanola-de-francisco-de-mendoza-y-bobadilla.html Hugs, Miguel On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>wrote: > Dear Primo Miguel, > > Thank you... It's as you said, "on pg 265," wish it said more about the > linking to Tristao Vaz, other than just citing they were primos... > > I appreciate your help... > > Hugs, > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 2:55:57 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > > Pat, > > > There is also another reference from Clode's book: > > O primeiro de que temos notícia, foi Rodrigo Afonso Porto.Carreiro, primo > do > descobridor Tristâo Vaz.e um dos primitvos colonizadores desta ilha. > > > > pg. 265, título PORTO CARREIRO from Famílias que Passaram à Madeira - you > can find it on NESOS- > > Miguel > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques < > migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Pat, > > > > Unfortunately I don't have the number of the revista. I saw it many years > > ago, then added it to my Teixeira's file. It was a very brief note. > > > > Miguel > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Pat Corbera < > PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>wrote: > > > >> Miguel, > >> > >> Can I access this note of revista, and if so how do I locate it? > >> > >> Pat > >> > >> Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> > >> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 7:13:28 AM > >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > >> Pat, > >> > >> Not me, it was Dr. João Cabral de Nascimento, in a note of revista do > AHM > >> which unfortunately I cannot retrieve right now.. > >> > >> Miguel > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Pat Corbera < > PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > >> >wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > Miguel, > >> > > >> > How are you linking the Portocarreiro family to Tristao Vaz Teixeira? > >> > > >> > Pat > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com > > > >> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> > Sent: Monday, March 7, 2011 5:36:46 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > >> > Denise, > >> > > >> > It's still a controversial matter. In the old documents he is both > >> called > >> > Tristão Vaz and Tristão da Ilha and only later (by some of the XVII th > >> > century chroniclers), Tristão Vaz Teixeira. > >> > > >> > Anyway it seems that he probably was Teixeira, as he was cousin of > João > >> > Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo (FCR). And he was also cousin of a > >> > Portocarreiro. > >> > > >> > Curiously he was granted a new coat of arms, a silver Phoenix burning > in > >> > flames over an azure field, but his descedants used only the coat of > >> arms > >> > of > >> > the Teixeiras, arguably from Branca Teixeira, his wife. > >> > > >> > Apart of that I think that almost every Madeiran, who has at least two > >> full > >> > generations of madeirans behind him, descends from him , -) > >> > > >> > BTW João Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo, was one of the first setllers > with > >> > the > >> > highest status: FCR. (Fidalgo da Casa Real) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Denise <denise1270@aol.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > I noticed that is said Tristão Vaz took the name Teixeira, from my > >> > > understanding he never went by that name though he is commonly > >> referred > >> > to > >> > > as Vaz Teixeira. > >> > > > >> > > Denise D'Antona > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> > >> > > To: prt-madeira <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > >> > > Sent: Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:30 pm > >> > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Miguel > >> > > > >> > > Not entirely accurate and many typos. Imagine Veloso or Veloza is > >> > ommitted! > >> > > > >> > > Cheeers, > >> > > > >> > > José > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ________________________________ > >> > > > >> > > From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com > > > >> > > > >> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> > > > >> > > Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 9:22:47 PM > >> > > > >> > > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > not entirely accurate and with a spanish spelling as in Gomez > instead > >> of > >> > > > >> > > Gomes and Gonzalez instead of Gonçalves, and Aldemar instead of > >> Aldrama > >> > or > >> > > > >> > > Aldramar, etc. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > but interesting nonetheless. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > http://madeiragenealogy.com/sobre/os-nomes/ > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the > >> > > quotes > >> > > > >> > > in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > >> > > > >> > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the > >> > body > >> > > of > >> > > > >> > > the message > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the > >> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Pat, > > > There is also another reference from Clode's book: > > O primeiro de que temos notícia, foi Rodrigo Afonso Porto.Carreiro, primo > do > descobridor Tristâo Vaz.e um dos primitvos colonizadores desta ilha. > > > > pg. 265, título PORTO CARREIRO from Famílias que Passaram à Madeira - you > can find it on NESOS- > > Miguel > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Miguel de Castro Henriques < > migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Pat, > > > > Unfortunately I don't have the number of the revista. I saw it many years > > ago, then added it to my Teixeira's file. It was a very brief note. > > > > Miguel > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Pat Corbera < > PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>wrote: > > > >> Miguel, > >> > >> Can I access this note of revista, and if so how do I locate it? > >> > >> Pat > >> > >> Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> > >> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 7:13:28 AM > >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > >> Pat, > >> > >> Not me, it was Dr. João Cabral de Nascimento, in a note of revista do > AHM > >> which unfortunately I cannot retrieve right now.. > >> > >> Miguel > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Pat Corbera < > PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > >> >wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > Miguel, > >> > > >> > How are you linking the Portocarreiro family to Tristao Vaz Teixeira? > >> > > >> > Pat > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com > > > >> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> > Sent: Monday, March 7, 2011 5:36:46 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > >> > Denise, > >> > > >> > It's still a controversial matter. In the old documents he is both > >> called > >> > Tristão Vaz and Tristão da Ilha and only later (by some of the XVII th > >> > century chroniclers), Tristão Vaz Teixeira. > >> > > >> > Anyway it seems that he probably was Teixeira, as he was cousin of > João > >> > Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo (FCR). And he was also cousin of a > >> > Portocarreiro. > >> > > >> > Curiously he was granted a new coat of arms, a silver Phoenix burning > in > >> > flames over an azure field, but his descedants used only the coat of > >> arms > >> > of > >> > the Teixeiras, arguably from Branca Teixeira, his wife. > >> > > >> > Apart of that I think that almost every Madeiran, who has at least two > >> full > >> > generations of madeirans behind him, descends from him , -) > >> > > >> > BTW João Rodrigues Teixeira, o Gordo, was one of the first setllers > with > >> > the > >> > highest status: FCR. (Fidalgo da Casa Real) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Denise <denise1270@aol.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > I noticed that is said Tristão Vaz took the name Teixeira, from my > >> > > understanding he never went by that name though he is commonly > >> referred > >> > to > >> > > as Vaz Teixeira. > >> > > > >> > > Denise D'Antona > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> > >> > > To: prt-madeira <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > >> > > Sent: Mon, Mar 7, 2011 12:30 pm > >> > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Miguel > >> > > > >> > > Not entirely accurate and many typos. Imagine Veloso or Veloza is > >> > ommitted! > >> > > > >> > > Cheeers, > >> > > > >> > > José > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ________________________________ > >> > > > >> > > From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com > > > >> > > > >> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >> > > > >> > > Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 9:22:47 PM > >> > > > >> > > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] first madeiran colonists > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > not entirely accurate and with a spanish spelling as in Gomez > instead > >> of > >> > > > >> > > Gomes and Gonzalez instead of Gonçalves, and Aldemar instead of > >> Aldrama > >> > or > >> > > > >> > > Aldramar, etc. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > but interesting nonetheless. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > http://madeiragenealogy.com/sobre/os-nomes/ > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the > >> > > quotes > >> > > > >> > > in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > >> > > > >> > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the > >> > body > >> > > of > >> > > > >> > > the message > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the > >> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message