Actually it seems that citizenship is extended to grandchildren as long as their grandparents have not lost their portuguese nationality. Also the grandchildren applying for portuguese nationality have to be able to communicate in basic portuguese. http://www.embassyportugal-us.org/fileupload/nac_%202_grau.pdf http://www.embassyportugal-us.org/passport+and+nationality > >Here is information on dual citizenship in the US  http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html > > >Luis Beal > >"Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." >Cicero, Roman orator > > >From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> >>To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 7:49 AM >>Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Fw: Portuguese citizenship >> >>well, this one came back. I am trying again >> >> >>----- Forwarded Message ----- >>From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> >>To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 10:47:30 AM >>Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship >> >> >>I am not an American citizen, but it seems to me that your country has joined most of the world in allowing for dual citizenship so I think it is possible. I think dealing with the local Portuguese Consulate is your best bet. I am not sure , however, that citizenship is granted beyond grandparents and often as is the case in most countries there seems to be a gender bias. males are most likely to receive it. >>' >>In Canada dual citizenship is a norm, and we are seeing a lot more people  having 2 or 3 other citizenship. The whole thing does create challenges but also many opportunities. >>  >>  >>José Fernandes >> >>From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> >>To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >>Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:16:37 AM >>Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship >> >>Hi Louise, >> >>I was just thinking about you the other day, and wondering how Laura and Manuel are doing... >> >>I have ordered photo-copies of vital records from the Madeira Archives and have paid with my Chase personal check...no problem so far, though it takes months before the check clears my bank. >> >>Would this cousin be seeking "dual citizenship," and if so, would you and/or list members please explain how a USA citizen can claim citizenship to two countries... >> >>Pat Silva Corbera >>Tracy CA >> >>Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Louise Polsky" <pitinha@cox.net> >>To: "PT-Madeira" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:32:11 PM >>Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship >> >>An Ornellas cousin, a U.S. citizen, is applying for Portuguese citizenship. She is the granddaughter and great granddaughter of natives of Porto Santo, Madeira, Portugal. I have their baptismal records obtained from Family History Library microfilm records. She is seeking official records from the Madeira archives, and has been consulting with the Portuguese Embassy. >>Have any of you gone through this process? Do you have any suggestions? What has been your experience sending money to the archives? >>Thanks for your input. >>Louise Pitta Polsky >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > >

I suspect I am having problems posting these. Here it goes again! José ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: Luis Beal <luisbeal@yahoo.com>; "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:49:13 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Fw: Fw: Portuguese citizenship Luis, what if the grandparents have died? Loss of citizenship is rare, so let's leave that aside, but even then when ? During the Salazar dictatorship? It is interesting on the language for here in Toronto, the consulate is crowded with Portuguese citizens from Macau. For the most part the language doesn't apply. I would that they don't apply that particular rule...sometimes.   José Fernandes From: Luis Beal <luisbeal@yahoo.com> To: list madeira <PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 1:28:59 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Fw: Fw: Portuguese citizenship Actually it seems that citizenship is extended to grandchildren as long as their grandparents have not lost their portuguese nationality. Also the grandchildren applying for portuguese nationality have to be able to communicate in basic portuguese. http://www.embassyportugal-us.org/fileupload/nac_%202_grau.pdf http://www.embassyportugal-us.org/passport+and+nationality > >Here is information on dual citizenship in the US  http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html > > >Luis Beal > >"Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." >Cicero, Roman orator > > >From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> >>To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 7:49 AM >>Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Fw: Portuguese citizenship >> >>well, this one came back. I am trying again >> >> >>----- Forwarded Message ----- >>From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> >>To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 10:47:30 AM >>Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship >> >> >>I am not an American citizen, but it seems to me that your country has joined most of the world in allowing for dual citizenship so I think it is possible. I think dealing with the local Portuguese Consulate is your best bet. I am not sure , however, that citizenship is granted beyond grandparents and often as is the case in most countries there seems to be a gender bias. males are most likely to receive it. >>' >>In Canada dual citizenship is a norm, and we are seeing a lot more people  having 2 or 3 other citizenship. The whole thing does create challenges but also many opportunities. >>  >>  >>José Fernandes >> >>From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> >>To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >>Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:16:37 AM >>Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship >> >>Hi Louise, >> >>I was just thinking about you the other day, and wondering how Laura and Manuel are doing... >> >>I have ordered photo-copies of vital records from the Madeira Archives and have paid with my Chase personal check...no problem so far, though it takes months before the check clears my bank. >> >>Would this cousin be seeking "dual citizenship," and if so, would you and/or list members please explain how a USA citizen can claim citizenship to two countries... >> >>Pat Silva Corbera >>Tracy CA >> >>Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Louise Polsky" <pitinha@cox.net> >>To: "PT-Madeira" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:32:11 PM >>Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship >> >>An Ornellas cousin, a U.S. citizen, is applying for Portuguese citizenship. She is the granddaughter and great granddaughter of natives of Porto Santo, Madeira, Portugal. I have their baptismal records obtained from Family History Library microfilm records. She is seeking official records from the Madeira archives, and has been consulting with the Portuguese Embassy. >>Have any of you gone through this process? Do you have any suggestions? What has been your experience sending money to the archives? >>Thanks for your input. >>Louise Pitta Polsky >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wonder if "the system," is trying to cut down on the length of posting messages... Try deleting all the input at the bottom of the page that you're repling to... Leave only the message, "thread." See if that helps... Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOSE FERNANDES" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 11:51:26 AM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Fw: Fw: Fw: Portuguese citizenship I suspect I am having problems posting these. Here it goes again! José ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: Luis Beal <luisbeal@yahoo.com>; "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:49:13 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Fw: Fw: Portuguese citizenship Luis, what if the grandparents have died? Loss of citizenship is rare, so let's leave that aside, but even then when ? During the Salazar dictatorship? It is interesting on the language for here in Toronto, the consulate is crowded with Portuguese citizens from Macau. For the most part the language doesn't apply. I would that they don't apply that particular rule...sometimes.   José Fernandes From: Luis Beal <luisbeal@yahoo.com> To: list madeira <PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 1:28:59 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Fw: Fw: Portuguese citizenship Actually it seems that citizenship is extended to grandchildren as long as their grandparents have not lost their portuguese nationality. Also the grandchildren applying for portuguese nationality have to be able to communicate in basic portuguese. http://www.embassyportugal-us.org/fileupload/nac_%202_grau.pdf http://www.embassyportugal-us.org/passport+and+nationality > >Here is information on dual citizenship in the US  http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html > > >Luis Beal > >"Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." >Cicero, Roman orator > > >From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> >>To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 7:49 AM >>Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Fw: Portuguese citizenship >> >>well, this one came back. I am trying again >> >> >>----- Forwarded Message ----- >>From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> >>To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 10:47:30 AM >>Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship >> >> >>I am not an American citizen, but it seems to me that your country has joined most of the world in allowing for dual citizenship so I think it is possible. I think dealing with the local Portuguese Consulate is your best bet. I am not sure , however, that citizenship is granted beyond grandparents and often as is the case in most countries there seems to be a gender bias. males are most likely to receive it. >>' >>In Canada dual citizenship is a norm, and we are seeing a lot more people  having 2 or 3 other citizenship. The whole thing does create challenges but also many opportunities. >>  >>  >>José Fernandes >> >>From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> >>To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >>Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:16:37 AM >>Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship >> >>Hi Louise, >> >>I was just thinking about you the other day, and wondering how Laura and Manuel are doing... >> >>I have ordered photo-copies of vital records from the Madeira Archives and have paid with my Chase personal check...no problem so far, though it takes months before the check clears my bank. >> >>Would this cousin be seeking "dual citizenship," and if so, would you and/or list members please explain how a USA citizen can claim citizenship to two countries... >> >>Pat Silva Corbera >>Tracy CA >> >>Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Louise Polsky" <pitinha@cox.net> >>To: "PT-Madeira" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:32:11 PM >>Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship >> >>An Ornellas cousin, a U.S. citizen, is applying for Portuguese citizenship. She is the granddaughter and great granddaughter of natives of Porto Santo, Madeira, Portugal. I have their baptismal records obtained from Family History Library microfilm records. She is seeking official records from the Madeira archives, and has been consulting with the Portuguese Embassy. >>Have any of you gone through this process? Do you have any suggestions? What has been your experience sending money to the archives? >>Thanks for your input. >>Louise Pitta Polsky

Thank you Luis...Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> To: "list madeira" <PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 10:28:59 AM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Fw: Fw: Portuguese citizenship Actually it seems that citizenship is extended to grandchildren as long as their grandparents have not lost their portuguese nationality. Also the grandchildren applying for portuguese nationality have to be able to communicate in basic portuguese. http://www.embassyportugal-us.org/fileupload/nac_%202_grau.pdf http://www.embassyportugal-us.org/passport+and+nationality > >Here is information on dual citizenship in the US  http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html > > >Luis Beal > >"Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." >Cicero, Roman orator > > >From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> >>To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 7:49 AM >>Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Fw: Portuguese citizenship >> >>well, this one came back. I am trying again >> >> >>----- Forwarded Message ----- >>From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> >>To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 10:47:30 AM >>Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship >> >> >>I am not an American citizen, but it seems to me that your country has joined most of the world in allowing for dual citizenship so I think it is possible. I think dealing with the local Portuguese Consulate is your best bet. I am not sure , however, that citizenship is granted beyond grandparents and often as is the case in most countries there seems to be a gender bias. males are most likely to receive it. >>' >>In Canada dual citizenship is a norm, and we are seeing a lot more people  having 2 or 3 other citizenship. The whole thing does create challenges but also many opportunities. >>  >>  >>José Fernandes >> >>From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> >>To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >>Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:16:37 AM >>Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship >> >>Hi Louise, >> >>I was just thinking about you the other day, and wondering how Laura and Manuel are doing... >> >>I have ordered photo-copies of vital records from the Madeira Archives and have paid with my Chase personal check...no problem so far, though it takes months before the check clears my bank. >> >>Would this cousin be seeking "dual citizenship," and if so, would you and/or list members please explain how a USA citizen can claim citizenship to two countries... >> >>Pat Silva Corbera >>Tracy CA >> >>Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Louise Polsky" <pitinha@cox.net> >>To: "PT-Madeira" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:32:11 PM >>Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship >> >>An Ornellas cousin, a U.S. citizen, is applying for Portuguese citizenship. She is the granddaughter and great granddaughter of natives of Porto Santo, Madeira, Portugal. I have their baptismal records obtained from Family History Library microfilm records. She is seeking official records from the Madeira archives, and has been consulting with the Portuguese Embassy. >>Have any of you gone through this process? Do you have any suggestions? What has been your experience sending money to the archives? >>Thanks for your input. >>Louise Pitta Polsky >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message