Ah...that may be it then. Sorry didn't check the dates. Janette On 23-Jun-11, at 1:27 PM, Pat Corbera wrote: > Hi Janette, > > Thank you for checking, but the last time I checked, records earlier > than 1859 were not available... > > I'll check it out again... > > Thank You! > Pat > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janette Chun" <janettechun@shaw.ca> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 1:13:25 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira > > Pat/Philip...I just checked an the baptism records for estreito da > calheta are up on the arm site. > > I have the book here for funchal but it only lists the marriages and > some 'termos' (deaths). I would be happy to post the death notices if > you like for the pereiras that I find. What I am noticing is that not > many are just pereira there are names follwing e.g da sousa,serrao. > > Janette > > On 23-Jun-11, at 12:58 PM, Pat Corbera wrote: > >> Hi Philip, >> >> I'm sure you and I will locate a Pereira link from Estreito da >> Calheta...I hope that ARM inputs the bapt info for Estreito soon... >> >> I was just looking at my paternal pedigree charts and much to my >> surprise at seeing the many Pereira ancestors that I have... >> >> Next week I'll post those lines...hopefully they'll make a hit with >> list members.. >> >> to be continued: >> >> Cheers: >> Prima Pat >> p.s. we're still related via our Borrageiro ancestry from the >> Estreito da Calheta. >> >> Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Philip Rodrigues" <philrod51@yahoo.ca> >> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 11:01:38 AM >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira >> >> Hi Pat, >> I have a Pereira from estreito da Calheta - I'm sure we will have a >> match at >> some point. >> Francisco Pereira and his wife Gianv? Rodrigues could not find this >> one. about >> 1600 >> also Jacinto Pereira married Maria da Graça 1709 estreito da calheta >> his parents are Manuel Pereira Ana da Estrela 1673 Calheta >> >> Cheers >> Philip >> http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> >> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thu, June 23, 2011 2:09:58 AM >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira >> >> Hi Don, >> >> I personally do not have Antonio Pereira from the Estreito >> daCalheta, married/or >> not to a Francisca de Jesus, with a daughter Rosa/Roza de Jesus bapt >> 12 Oct >> 1897... >> >> I did find an entry on ARM Bapt Records for a child Rosa, bapt 12 >> Oct 1897 >> father: incognito and mother Francisca de Jesus (no mention of >> Perpetua)... Is >> this the entry/family that you're referring to in your posting? >> >> How have you linked Francisca and Roza to your lineage? Do you have >> any other >> info, ie: as to the names of Francisca's parents. >> >> >> Any other Pereiras in your ancestry? >> >> Pat >> >> Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Don" <Dplopes@comcast.net> >> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 5:56:16 PM >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira >> >> Pat I have a potential Pereira - Antonio from Estreito da Calheta >> whom I am >> trying to find and if he was the father of Roza De Jesus (b 12 Oct >> 1897) It >> appears he never married Francisca De Jesus (Perpetua) but fathered >> the >> child. Anything would help. >> Thanks >> -----Original Message----- >> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera >> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 2:13 AM >> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira >> >> Thank you Melanie... >> >> Dear List Members... are you researching any Pereira ancestors/ >> relatives if >> so, please list some... it's possible that we can find a link... >> >> >> My 6th Great Grandmother was Ana Pereira bapt 3 May 1666 from >> Estreito da >> Calheta daughter of Domingos de Agrela and Catarina Pereira (I don't >> have >> the names of Catarina's parents). >> >> Ana Pereira and Manuel Dias were the parents of (Maria Pereira m. to >> Jose da >> Costa, my maternal 5th GGParents.) as well as (Clara Pereira m. to >> Roque >> Sardinha, also my paternal 4th GGParents). >> >> Other Pereiras in my lines, just to name a few... >> >> Joao Alvares Pereira m. Leonor Gomes de Melo Alvaro Pereira m. Maria >> de >> Menezes >> Rui Goncalves Pereira m. Beringeira Nunes Barreto >> Vasco Pereira m. Isabel de Miranda >> Diogo Pereira m. Maria de Resende >> Isabel Pereira m. Goncalo Nunes Barreto >> Isabel Pereira m. Sebastiao Sardinha >> Cecilia Pereira m. Domingos Sardinha >> Francisco Pereira m. Maria Fernandes >> Francisco Pereira m. Isabel Sardinha Silva Joao Pereira m. Madalena >> Rodrigues >> >> Just let me know if anyone that I've listed may be in your >> pedigree... I can >> supply additional info upon request... >> >> Pat Silva Corbera >> Tracy CA >> >> Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Melanie Pereira" <dartwannabe@shaw.ca> >> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 3:39:34 PM >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address >> >> I did, Pat! >> Melanie >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera >> Sent: June-21-11 1:25 PM >> To: JOSE FERNANDES; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address >> >> I received your posting... looks like it may be working once >> again... Pat >> >> Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "JOSE FERNANDES" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> >> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 12:25:21 PM >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address >> >> i am in >> jos fernandes >> >> From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> >> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 2:21:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address >> >> Did anyone receive this message? Pat >> >> Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Thank you Lou, Not in my file...do you have the names of their parents? Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "deepsea06" <deepsea06@gmail.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 11:52:15 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira Hi All, I have the following; Francisco Goncalves Homem m. Isabel Pereira ~1590 Ribeira Brava? Luis Pereira m. Luiza Fernandes ~1568 Sao Vicente Regards, Lou On Jun 23, 2011 2:02 PM, "Philip Rodrigues" <philrod51@yahoo.ca> wrote: > Hi Pat, > I have a Pereira from estreito da Calheta - I'm sure we will have a match at > some point. > Francisco Pereira and his wife Gianv? Rodrigues could not find this one. about > 1600 > also Jacinto Pereira married Maria da Graça 1709 estreito da calheta > his parents are Manuel Pereira Ana da Estrela 1673 Calheta > > Cheers > Philip > http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, June 23, 2011 2:09:58 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira > > Hi Don, > > I personally do not have Antonio Pereira from the Estreito daCalheta, married/or > not to a Francisca de Jesus, with a daughter Rosa/Roza de Jesus bapt 12 Oct > 1897... > > I did find an entry on ARM Bapt Records for a child Rosa, bapt 12 Oct 1897 > father: incognito and mother Francisca de Jesus (no mention of Perpetua)... Is > this the entry/family that you're referring to in your posting? > > How have you linked Francisca and Roza to your lineage? Do you have any other > info, ie: as to the names of Francisca's parents. > > > Any other Pereiras in your ancestry? > > Pat > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don" <Dplopes@comcast.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 5:56:16 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira > > Pat I have a potential Pereira - Antonio from Estreito da Calheta whom I am > trying to find and if he was the father of Roza De Jesus (b 12 Oct 1897) It > appears he never married Francisca De Jesus (Perpetua) but fathered the > child. Anything would help. > Thanks > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 2:13 AM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira > > Thank you Melanie... > > Dear List Members... are you researching any Pereira ancestors/relatives if > so, please list some... it's possible that we can find a link... > > > My 6th Great Grandmother was Ana Pereira bapt 3 May 1666 from Estreito da > Calheta daughter of Domingos de Agrela and Catarina Pereira (I don't have > the names of Catarina's parents). > > Ana Pereira and Manuel Dias were the parents of (Maria Pereira m. to Jose da > Costa, my maternal 5th GGParents.) as well as (Clara Pereira m. to Roque > Sardinha, also my paternal 4th GGParents). > > Other Pereiras in my lines, just to name a few... > > Joao Alvares Pereira m. Leonor Gomes de Melo Alvaro Pereira m. Maria de > Menezes > Rui Goncalves Pereira m. Beringeira Nunes Barreto > Vasco Pereira m. Isabel de Miranda > Diogo Pereira m. Maria de Resende > Isabel Pereira m. Goncalo Nunes Barreto > Isabel Pereira m. Sebastiao Sardinha > Cecilia Pereira m. Domingos Sardinha > Francisco Pereira m. Maria Fernandes > Francisco Pereira m. Isabel Sardinha Silva Joao Pereira m. Madalena > Rodrigues > > Just let me know if anyone that I've listed may be in your pedigree... I can > supply additional info upon request... > > Pat Silva Corbera > Tracy CA > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Melanie Pereira" <dartwannabe@shaw.ca> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 3:39:34 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address > > I did, Pat! > Melanie > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera > Sent: June-21-11 1:25 PM > To: JOSE FERNANDES; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address > > I received your posting... looks like it may be working once again... Pat > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JOSE FERNANDES" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 12:25:21 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address > > i am in > jos fernandes > > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 2:21:50 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address > > Did anyone receive this message? Pat > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour >

Wonder if "the system," is trying to cut down on the length of posting messages... Try deleting all the input at the bottom of the page that you're repling to... Leave only the message, "thread." See if that helps... Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOSE FERNANDES" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 11:51:26 AM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Fw: Fw: Fw: Portuguese citizenship I suspect I am having problems posting these. Here it goes again! José ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: Luis Beal <luisbeal@yahoo.com>; "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:49:13 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Fw: Fw: Portuguese citizenship Luis, what if the grandparents have died? Loss of citizenship is rare, so let's leave that aside, but even then when ? During the Salazar dictatorship? It is interesting on the language for here in Toronto, the consulate is crowded with Portuguese citizens from Macau. For the most part the language doesn't apply. I would that they don't apply that particular rule...sometimes.   José Fernandes From: Luis Beal <luisbeal@yahoo.com> To: list madeira <PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 1:28:59 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Fw: Fw: Portuguese citizenship Actually it seems that citizenship is extended to grandchildren as long as their grandparents have not lost their portuguese nationality. Also the grandchildren applying for portuguese nationality have to be able to communicate in basic portuguese. http://www.embassyportugal-us.org/fileupload/nac_%202_grau.pdf http://www.embassyportugal-us.org/passport+and+nationality > >Here is information on dual citizenship in the US  http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html > > >Luis Beal > >"Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." >Cicero, Roman orator > > >From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> >>To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 7:49 AM >>Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Fw: Portuguese citizenship >> >>well, this one came back. I am trying again >> >> >>----- Forwarded Message ----- >>From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> >>To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 10:47:30 AM >>Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship >> >> >>I am not an American citizen, but it seems to me that your country has joined most of the world in allowing for dual citizenship so I think it is possible. I think dealing with the local Portuguese Consulate is your best bet. I am not sure , however, that citizenship is granted beyond grandparents and often as is the case in most countries there seems to be a gender bias. males are most likely to receive it. >>' >>In Canada dual citizenship is a norm, and we are seeing a lot more people  having 2 or 3 other citizenship. The whole thing does create challenges but also many opportunities. >>  >>  >>José Fernandes >> >>From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> >>To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >>Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:16:37 AM >>Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship >> >>Hi Louise, >> >>I was just thinking about you the other day, and wondering how Laura and Manuel are doing... >> >>I have ordered photo-copies of vital records from the Madeira Archives and have paid with my Chase personal check...no problem so far, though it takes months before the check clears my bank. >> >>Would this cousin be seeking "dual citizenship," and if so, would you and/or list members please explain how a USA citizen can claim citizenship to two countries... >> >>Pat Silva Corbera >>Tracy CA >> >>Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Louise Polsky" <pitinha@cox.net> >>To: "PT-Madeira" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:32:11 PM >>Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship >> >>An Ornellas cousin, a U.S. citizen, is applying for Portuguese citizenship. She is the granddaughter and great granddaughter of natives of Porto Santo, Madeira, Portugal. I have their baptismal records obtained from Family History Library microfilm records. She is seeking official records from the Madeira archives, and has been consulting with the Portuguese Embassy. >>Have any of you gone through this process? Do you have any suggestions? What has been your experience sending money to the archives? >>Thanks for your input. >>Louise Pitta Polsky

Hi Philip, I'm sure you and I will locate a Pereira link from Estreito da Calheta...I hope that ARM inputs the bapt info for Estreito soon... I was just looking at my paternal pedigree charts and much to my surprise at seeing the many Pereira ancestors that I have... Next week I'll post those lines...hopefully they'll make a hit with list members.. to be continued: Cheers: Prima Pat p.s. we're still related via our Borrageiro ancestry from the Estreito da Calheta. Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Rodrigues" <philrod51@yahoo.ca> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 11:01:38 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira Hi Pat, I have a Pereira from estreito da Calheta - I'm sure we will have a match at some point. Francisco Pereira and his wife Gianv? Rodrigues could not find this one. about 1600 also Jacinto Pereira married Maria da Graça 1709 estreito da calheta his parents are Manuel Pereira Ana da Estrela 1673 Calheta Cheers Philip http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ ________________________________ From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, June 23, 2011 2:09:58 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira Hi Don, I personally do not have Antonio Pereira from the Estreito daCalheta, married/or not to a Francisca de Jesus, with a daughter Rosa/Roza de Jesus bapt 12 Oct 1897... I did find an entry on ARM Bapt Records for a child Rosa, bapt 12 Oct 1897 father: incognito and mother Francisca de Jesus (no mention of Perpetua)... Is this the entry/family that you're referring to in your posting? How have you linked Francisca and Roza to your lineage? Do you have any other info, ie: as to the names of Francisca's parents. Any other Pereiras in your ancestry? Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don" <Dplopes@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 5:56:16 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira Pat I have a potential Pereira - Antonio from Estreito da Calheta whom I am trying to find and if he was the father of Roza De Jesus (b 12 Oct 1897) It appears he never married Francisca De Jesus (Perpetua) but fathered the child. Anything would help. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 2:13 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira Thank you Melanie... Dear List Members... are you researching any Pereira ancestors/relatives if so, please list some... it's possible that we can find a link... My 6th Great Grandmother was Ana Pereira bapt 3 May 1666 from Estreito da Calheta daughter of Domingos de Agrela and Catarina Pereira (I don't have the names of Catarina's parents). Ana Pereira and Manuel Dias were the parents of (Maria Pereira m. to Jose da Costa, my maternal 5th GGParents.) as well as (Clara Pereira m. to Roque Sardinha, also my paternal 4th GGParents). Other Pereiras in my lines, just to name a few... Joao Alvares Pereira m. Leonor Gomes de Melo Alvaro Pereira m. Maria de Menezes Rui Goncalves Pereira m. Beringeira Nunes Barreto Vasco Pereira m. Isabel de Miranda Diogo Pereira m. Maria de Resende Isabel Pereira m. Goncalo Nunes Barreto Isabel Pereira m. Sebastiao Sardinha Cecilia Pereira m. Domingos Sardinha Francisco Pereira m. Maria Fernandes Francisco Pereira m. Isabel Sardinha Silva Joao Pereira m. Madalena Rodrigues Just let me know if anyone that I've listed may be in your pedigree... I can supply additional info upon request... Pat Silva Corbera Tracy CA Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melanie Pereira" <dartwannabe@shaw.ca> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 3:39:34 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address I did, Pat! Melanie -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera Sent: June-21-11 1:25 PM To: JOSE FERNANDES; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address I received your posting... looks like it may be working once again... Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOSE FERNANDES" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 12:25:21 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address i am in jos fernandes From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 2:21:50 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address Did anyone receive this message? Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Luis...Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> To: "list madeira" <PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 10:28:59 AM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Fw: Fw: Portuguese citizenship Actually it seems that citizenship is extended to grandchildren as long as their grandparents have not lost their portuguese nationality. Also the grandchildren applying for portuguese nationality have to be able to communicate in basic portuguese. http://www.embassyportugal-us.org/fileupload/nac_%202_grau.pdf http://www.embassyportugal-us.org/passport+and+nationality > >Here is information on dual citizenship in the US  http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html > > >Luis Beal > >"Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." >Cicero, Roman orator > > >From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> >>To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 7:49 AM >>Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Fw: Portuguese citizenship >> >>well, this one came back. I am trying again >> >> >>----- Forwarded Message ----- >>From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> >>To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 10:47:30 AM >>Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship >> >> >>I am not an American citizen, but it seems to me that your country has joined most of the world in allowing for dual citizenship so I think it is possible. I think dealing with the local Portuguese Consulate is your best bet. I am not sure , however, that citizenship is granted beyond grandparents and often as is the case in most countries there seems to be a gender bias. males are most likely to receive it. >>' >>In Canada dual citizenship is a norm, and we are seeing a lot more people  having 2 or 3 other citizenship. The whole thing does create challenges but also many opportunities. >>  >>  >>José Fernandes >> >>From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> >>To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >>Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:16:37 AM >>Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship >> >>Hi Louise, >> >>I was just thinking about you the other day, and wondering how Laura and Manuel are doing... >> >>I have ordered photo-copies of vital records from the Madeira Archives and have paid with my Chase personal check...no problem so far, though it takes months before the check clears my bank. >> >>Would this cousin be seeking "dual citizenship," and if so, would you and/or list members please explain how a USA citizen can claim citizenship to two countries... >> >>Pat Silva Corbera >>Tracy CA >> >>Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Louise Polsky" <pitinha@cox.net> >>To: "PT-Madeira" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:32:11 PM >>Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship >> >>An Ornellas cousin, a U.S. citizen, is applying for Portuguese citizenship. She is the granddaughter and great granddaughter of natives of Porto Santo, Madeira, Portugal. I have their baptismal records obtained from Family History Library microfilm records. She is seeking official records from the Madeira archives, and has been consulting with the Portuguese Embassy. >>Have any of you gone through this process? Do you have any suggestions? What has been your experience sending money to the archives? >>Thanks for your input. >>Louise Pitta Polsky >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Melanie, What a wonderful "Journey of Discovery," that you have gathered for you and your family. When I first viewed your input, I thought about our Madeira ancestors that came to the USA by way of Trinidad in the West Indies after leaving Madeira for reasons of religious persecution. Though to date I have not linked with the various members of this group, but continue to hold a special place in my heart... Two of our list members, have wonderful websites that focus on this migration... If you have not viewed or been in contact with these two wonderful people, their websites are located at: Deb Kleber: http://homepage.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~madeira/index.htm Bob Coraor (Coraor is a spelling variation of Correa)... http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~klondike98/ Also featured on Bob's website is the publication: "The Coming of the Portuguese," by George Rawlings Poage... http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~klondike98/Exiles/poage.htm. Many years ago I was sent a copy of this publication after contacting the Illinois State Historical Society, Springfield, Illinois... At the time I was hoping to link my de Freitas ancestry to these brave and dedicated individuals... but no such luck...though every now and then I continue to look at this publication... Good Luck! Pat Silva Corbera Tracy CA Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melanie Pereira" <dartwannabe@shaw.ca> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 9:40:56 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira Hi- I have been stuck for ages so am not as far back as you lot are....HOWEVER; I have: Emanuel Antonio Pereira born to Antonio Pereira and his wife Maria Gomes in St. John's, Antigua, W.I. on 28 Jan. 1871 I BELIVE Emanuel had 2 sisters-but am not 100% certain-(about 98.5% certain!) They were: Caroline Pereira Born 15 July 1865 in Basseterre, St. Christopher (now St. Kitts) W.I. (God parents were: John Gumbs and Maria Gumbs (not sure if they were Husband/wife or Brother/sister) And Mary Pereira born 15 October 1867 born in St. John's, Antigua, W.I. Mary Pereira married Emanuel Teshara (Teixeira) in St. John's Antigua, W.I. on 24 September 1879- she was a minor and her guardian Maximilian Joachim made his mark (both the bride and groom signed on their own behalf). Emanuel Pereira (MY Grandfather) died in Antigua, Mary and Caroline both emigrated to New York and eventually died there (as well as Mary's daughters') . I have documentation of the 3 siblings' births, the death records of each as well as Ellis Island records for those who emigrated to the US (and Emanuel who visited his sisters). I have a number of US Census for Mary & Caroline (as well as for Mary's 2 daughters) I have been unable to find any record of Antonia Pereira and his wife Maria Gomes (ANY spelling!!) arriving in the W.I.- Leaving Madeira, marrying or etc... Anyway- there they are, Pat. Melanie . -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera Sent: June-22-11 11:10 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira Hi Don, I personally do not have Antonio Pereira from the Estreito daCalheta, married/or not to a Francisca de Jesus, with a daughter Rosa/Roza de Jesus bapt 12 Oct 1897... I did find an entry on ARM Bapt Records for a child Rosa, bapt 12 Oct 1897 father: incognito and mother Francisca de Jesus (no mention of Perpetua)... Is this the entry/family that you're referring to in your posting? How have you linked Francisca and Roza to your lineage? Do you have any other info, ie: as to the names of Francisca's parents. Any other Pereiras in your ancestry? Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don" <Dplopes@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 5:56:16 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira Pat I have a potential Pereira - Antonio from Estreito da Calheta whom I am trying to find and if he was the father of Roza De Jesus (b 12 Oct 1897) It appears he never married Francisca De Jesus (Perpetua) but fathered the child. Anything would help. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 2:13 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira Thank you Melanie... Dear List Members... are you researching any Pereira ancestors/relatives if so, please list some... it's possible that we can find a link... My 6th Great Grandmother was Ana Pereira bapt 3 May 1666 from Estreito da Calheta daughter of Domingos de Agrela and Catarina Pereira (I don't have the names of Catarina's parents). Ana Pereira and Manuel Dias were the parents of (Maria Pereira m. to Jose da Costa, my maternal 5th GGParents.) as well as (Clara Pereira m. to Roque Sardinha, also my paternal 4th GGParents). Other Pereiras in my lines, just to name a few... Joao Alvares Pereira m. Leonor Gomes de Melo Alvaro Pereira m. Maria de Menezes Rui Goncalves Pereira m. Beringeira Nunes Barreto Vasco Pereira m. Isabel de Miranda Diogo Pereira m. Maria de Resende Isabel Pereira m. Goncalo Nunes Barreto Isabel Pereira m. Sebastiao Sardinha Cecilia Pereira m. Domingos Sardinha Francisco Pereira m. Maria Fernandes Francisco Pereira m. Isabel Sardinha Silva Joao Pereira m. Madalena Rodrigues Just let me know if anyone that I've listed may be in your pedigree... I can supply additional info upon request... Pat Silva Corbera Tracy CA Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melanie Pereira" <dartwannabe@shaw.ca> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 3:39:34 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address I did, Pat! Melanie -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera Sent: June-21-11 1:25 PM To: JOSE FERNANDES; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address I received your posting... looks like it may be working once again... Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOSE FERNANDES" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 12:25:21 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address i am in jos fernandes From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 2:21:50 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address Did anyone receive this message? Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Mary... I always find it very interesting when a vital record contains the wording of "no judge with her as she is emancipated by "alvara," of judge." What exactly does this mean... is it saying that she does not reside with her parents, or that she's not a slave...? In the many documents that I personally have viewed I have never come across this wording, wonder if it's the "norm," to a given area... Your husband's family appears to be located in the Sao Goncalo; Sao Roque; Funchal; Sao Antonio; Sao Martinho area of the island. The only connection to this area in my family is the possible connection with the daSilva Se' and Goncalves Se' surname/family. Yet to link to my main branch. My family, though with a sprinkling all over the island, primarily settled in the Calheta, Estreito daCalheta, and the Arco daCalheta... I checked for Santos ancestors from Ponta do Sol, but did not see any... Pat Silva Corbera Tracy CA Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: mgoss@windermere.com To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:01:52 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira Hi Pat - My husband's family has Pereira roots in Madeira - His grandfather,Francisco Fernandes, son of Joao Gomes and Maria Rosa Pereira, married Beatrice Silva in Woods Hull near Falmouth Mass around 1910. Here is some info on my husband's line: 25 Oct 1863 Joao Gomes to Maria Rosa Joao Gomes, 32 years old, single, fisherman, son of Luis Gomes of parish of Santa Maria Major, and Maria da Conceico de Jesus of Sao Goncalo. Married - Maria Rosa, 21 years old, no judge with her as she is emancipated by "alvara" of judge, single, homemaker, of the parish of Se' do Funchal, daughter of Joao Rodrigues Pereira, of Sao Goncalo, and Joaquina Rosa of Sao Roque. Witnesses were Jose Fernandes, of Sanda Luzia do Funchal and Jose Francisco Rodrigues, married, shoemaker Sao Goncalo 16 January 1842 Joao Rodrigues Pereira to Joaquina Rosa do Nascimento Joao Rodriques Pereira, son of Jose Rodrigues Pereira, of Nossa Senhora do Monte, and Maria de Jesus (deceased) Married Joaquina Rosa do Nasciemento, of Sao Goncalo, daughter of Manuel Rodrigues de Govea (Goveia), of Santo Antonio, and Francisca Rosa de Jesus of Sao Mantinho Witnesses were Manuel Affonso (Afonso) and Manuel Andrade. 28 May 1815 Luis Gomes to Maria da Ressurreicao Luis Gomes, of Nossa Senhora do Calhao, son of Antonio Gomes, of Sao Goncalo, and Maria da Encarnacao Married Maria Maria da Ressurreicao, daughter of Jose dos Santos, of Ponta do Sol, and Andreza de Jesus of Sao Goncalo Luis and Maria are related in the 4th degree of consanguinity (go back 4 generations and their ancestors should match) Witnesses were Jose Machado and Antonio Rodrigues Mary J. Goss -----Original Message----- From: "Pat Corbera" <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 11:13pm To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira Thank you Melanie... Dear List Members... are you researching any Pereira ancestors/relatives if so, please list some... it's possible that we can find a link... My 6th Great Grandmother was Ana Pereira bapt 3 May 1666 from Estreito da Calheta daughter of Domingos de Agrela and Catarina Pereira (I don't have the names of Catarina's parents). Ana Pereira and Manuel Dias were the parents of (Maria Pereira m. to Jose da Costa, my maternal 5th GGParents.) as well as (Clara Pereira m. to Roque Sardinha, also my paternal 4th GGParents). Other Pereiras in my lines, just to name a few... Joao Alvares Pereira m. Leonor Gomes de Melo Alvaro Pereira m. Maria de Menezes Rui Goncalves Pereira m. Beringeira Nunes Barreto Vasco Pereira m. Isabel de Miranda Diogo Pereira m. Maria de Resende Isabel Pereira m. Goncalo Nunes Barreto Isabel Pereira m. Sebastiao Sardinha Cecilia Pereira m. Domingos Sardinha Francisco Pereira m. Maria Fernandes Francisco Pereira m. Isabel Sardinha Silva Joao Pereira m. Madalena Rodrigues Just let me know if anyone that I've listed may be in your pedigree... I can supply additional info upon request... Pat Silva Corbera Tracy CA Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melanie Pereira" <dartwannabe@shaw.ca> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 3:39:34 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address I did, Pat! Melanie -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera Sent: June-21-11 1:25 PM To: JOSE FERNANDES; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address I received your posting... looks like it may be working once again... Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOSE FERNANDES" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 12:25:21 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address i am in jos fernandes From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 2:21:50 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address Did anyone receive this message? Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Corbera" <papagaia2@yahoo.com> To: Prt-Madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 5:20:48 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address Testing... I'm using my Yahoo email address to see if I can post to the list...Pat ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com In-Reply-To: <FFAF99C3-6655-45CD-8FDF-58B1547011F5@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1194482978-1308848199=:41112" --0-1194482978-1308848199=:41112 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Louise, I have no experience in regard to applying for citizenship but I had a problem with bank drafts and the European banks. It seems things have changed since about a year ago. The bank fees have gone through the roof and it is not viable to pay the Madeira archives with a draft or personal cheque any longer. I had to send cash to have my copies released. ARM returned the draft after a month saying the bank fees were more than the value of the check (30 Euro) Cheers Philip Rodrigues http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ From: Louise Polsky <pitinha@cox.net> To: PT-Madeira <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, June 23, 2011 1:32:11 AM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship An Ornellas cousin, a U.S. citizen, is applying for Portuguese citizenship. She is the granddaughter and great granddaughter of natives of Porto Santo, Madeira, Portugal. I have their baptismal records obtained from Family History Library microfilm records. She is seeking official records from the Madeira archives, and has been consulting with the Portuguese Embassy. Have any of you gone through this process? Do you have any suggestions? What has been your experience sending money to the archives? Thanks for your input. Louise Pitta Polsky/

After posting my dual citizenship question... I checked the Internet, and much to my surprise it's as you have said...it's allowed in the USA as well as most countries world wide. I think I was getting "hung-up," on thinking that denouncing all other citizenship was a requirement for USA citizenship... Very interesting subject... thank you for your input... Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOSE FERNANDES" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 7:49:51 AM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Fw: Portuguese citizenship well, this one came back. I am trying again ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 10:47:30 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship I am not an American citizen, but it seems to me that your country has joined most of the world in allowing for dual citizenship so I think it is possible. I think dealing with the local Portuguese Consulate is your best bet. I am not sure , however, that citizenship is granted beyond grandparents and often as is the case in most countries there seems to be a gender bias. males are most likely to receive it. ' In Canada dual citizenship is a norm, and we are seeing a lot more people having 2 or 3 other citizenship. The whole thing does create challenges but also many opportunities. José Fernandes From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:16:37 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship Hi Louise, I was just thinking about you the other day, and wondering how Laura and Manuel are doing... I have ordered photo-copies of vital records from the Madeira Archives and have paid with my Chase personal check...no problem so far, though it takes months before the check clears my bank. Would this cousin be seeking "dual citizenship," and if so, would you and/or list members please explain how a USA citizen can claim citizenship to two countries... Pat Silva Corbera Tracy CA Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louise Polsky" <pitinha@cox.net> To: "PT-Madeira" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:32:11 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship An Ornellas cousin, a U.S. citizen, is applying for Portuguese citizenship. She is the granddaughter and great granddaughter of natives of Porto Santo, Madeira, Portugal. I have their baptismal records obtained from Family History Library microfilm records. She is seeking official records from the Madeira archives, and has been consulting with the Portuguese Embassy. Have any of you gone through this process? Do you have any suggestions? What has been your experience sending money to the archives? Thanks for your input. Louise Pitta Polsky ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat , I have Roza listed in my Family tree (she is my Grandmother) Francisca De Jesus is her mother. The father is unknown but family said he was an Antonio Pereira from Extreito da Calhetta. How does one find that out? Where do you look to link him to the actual birth? I have a web site for the Lopes family if you would like to visit it and give me an opinion of what I have done to date. I am at a loss as to how to link our Andre Lopes to the first Lopes in Maderia but I am sure they somehow are related but no records are available that far back or to the researcher I hired. These are my road blocks. Thank you for your time. My web site is " http://home.comcast\~Dplopes and look for the Lopes family. Any input is appreciated. Don L -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:10 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira Hi Don, I personally do not have Antonio Pereira from the Estreito daCalheta, married/or not to a Francisca de Jesus, with a daughter Rosa/Roza de Jesus bapt 12 Oct 1897... I did find an entry on ARM Bapt Records for a child Rosa, bapt 12 Oct 1897 father: incognito and mother Francisca de Jesus (no mention of Perpetua)... Is this the entry/family that you're referring to in your posting? How have you linked Francisca and Roza to your lineage? Do you have any other info, ie: as to the names of Francisca's parents. Any other Pereiras in your ancestry? Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don" <Dplopes@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 5:56:16 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira Pat I have a potential Pereira - Antonio from Estreito da Calheta whom I am trying to find and if he was the father of Roza De Jesus (b 12 Oct 1897) It appears he never married Francisca De Jesus (Perpetua) but fathered the child. Anything would help. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 2:13 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira Thank you Melanie... Dear List Members... are you researching any Pereira ancestors/relatives if so, please list some... it's possible that we can find a link... My 6th Great Grandmother was Ana Pereira bapt 3 May 1666 from Estreito da Calheta daughter of Domingos de Agrela and Catarina Pereira (I don't have the names of Catarina's parents). Ana Pereira and Manuel Dias were the parents of (Maria Pereira m. to Jose da Costa, my maternal 5th GGParents.) as well as (Clara Pereira m. to Roque Sardinha, also my paternal 4th GGParents). Other Pereiras in my lines, just to name a few... Joao Alvares Pereira m. Leonor Gomes de Melo Alvaro Pereira m. Maria de Menezes Rui Goncalves Pereira m. Beringeira Nunes Barreto Vasco Pereira m. Isabel de Miranda Diogo Pereira m. Maria de Resende Isabel Pereira m. Goncalo Nunes Barreto Isabel Pereira m. Sebastiao Sardinha Cecilia Pereira m. Domingos Sardinha Francisco Pereira m. Maria Fernandes Francisco Pereira m. Isabel Sardinha Silva Joao Pereira m. Madalena Rodrigues Just let me know if anyone that I've listed may be in your pedigree... I can supply additional info upon request... Pat Silva Corbera Tracy CA Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melanie Pereira" <dartwannabe@shaw.ca> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 3:39:34 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address I did, Pat! Melanie -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera Sent: June-21-11 1:25 PM To: JOSE FERNANDES; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address I received your posting... looks like it may be working once again... 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Hi am kind of late with my post but I am also researching Pereira's My Great Grandmother was Maria de Jesus (Pereira )she married Francisco Lucas and they had three children only one that lived beyond 12 years old. The chlidren were Manuel, who died after being hit by a car..... Margaret lived to be 80, and Luiza died at 3months. They lived in Massachuestts and R.I. after they came to the U.S. Sophie On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:00 AM, <prt-madeira-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Surname: Pereira (Pat Corbera) > 2. Re: Portuguese citizenship (Pat Corbera) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 06:09:58 +0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira > Hi Don, > > I personally do not have Antonio Pereira from the Estreito daCalheta, > married/or not to a Francisca de Jesus, with a daughter Rosa/Roza de Jesus > bapt 12 Oct 1897... > > I did find an entry on ARM Bapt Records for a child Rosa, bapt 12 Oct 1897 > father: incognito and mother Francisca de Jesus (no mention of Perpetua)... > Is this the entry/family that you're referring to in your posting? > > How have you linked Francisca and Roza to your lineage? Do you have any > other info, ie: as to the names of Francisca's parents. > > Any other Pereiras in your ancestry? > > Pat > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don" <Dplopes@comcast.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 5:56:16 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira > > Pat I have a potential Pereira - Antonio from Estreito da Calheta whom I am > trying to find and if he was the father of Roza De Jesus (b 12 Oct 1897) It > appears he never married Francisca De Jesus (Perpetua) but fathered the > child. Anything would help. > Thanks > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 2:13 AM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira > > Thank you Melanie... > > Dear List Members... are you researching any Pereira ancestors/relatives if > so, please list some... it's possible that we can find a link... > > > My 6th Great Grandmother was Ana Pereira bapt 3 May 1666 from Estreito da > Calheta daughter of Domingos de Agrela and Catarina Pereira (I don't have > the names of Catarina's parents). > > Ana Pereira and Manuel Dias were the parents of (Maria Pereira m. to Jose > da > Costa, my maternal 5th GGParents.) as well as (Clara Pereira m. to Roque > Sardinha, also my paternal 4th GGParents). > > Other Pereiras in my lines, just to name a few... > > Joao Alvares Pereira m. Leonor Gomes de Melo Alvaro Pereira m. Maria de > Menezes > Rui Goncalves Pereira m. Beringeira Nunes Barreto > Vasco Pereira m. Isabel de Miranda > Diogo Pereira m. Maria de Resende > Isabel Pereira m. Goncalo Nunes Barreto > Isabel Pereira m. Sebastiao Sardinha > Cecilia Pereira m. Domingos Sardinha > Francisco Pereira m. Maria Fernandes > Francisco Pereira m. Isabel Sardinha Silva Joao Pereira m. Madalena > Rodrigues > > Just let me know if anyone that I've listed may be in your pedigree... I > can > supply additional info upon request... > > Pat Silva Corbera > Tracy CA > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Melanie Pereira" <dartwannabe@shaw.ca> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 3:39:34 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address > > I did, Pat! > Melanie > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera > Sent: June-21-11 1:25 PM > To: JOSE FERNANDES; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address > > I received your posting... looks like it may be working once again... Pat > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JOSE FERNANDES" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 12:25:21 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address > > i am in > jos fernandes > > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 2:21:50 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address > > Did anyone receive this message? Pat > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 06:16:37 +0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship > Hi Louise, > > I was just thinking about you the other day, and wondering how Laura and > Manuel are doing... > > I have ordered photo-copies of vital records from the Madeira Archives and > have paid with my Chase personal check...no problem so far, though it takes > months before the check clears my bank. > > Would this cousin be seeking "dual citizenship," and if so, would you > and/or list members please explain how a USA citizen can claim citizenship > to two countries... > > Pat Silva Corbera > Tracy CA > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Louise Polsky" <pitinha@cox.net> > To: "PT-Madeira" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:32:11 PM > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship > > An Ornellas cousin, a U.S. citizen, is applying for Portuguese citizenship. > She is the granddaughter and great granddaughter of natives of Porto Santo, > Madeira, Portugal. I have their baptismal records obtained from Family > History Library microfilm records. She is seeking official records from the > Madeira archives, and has been consulting with the Portuguese Embassy. > Have any of you gone through this process? Do you have any suggestions? > What has been your experience sending money to the archives? > Thanks for your input. > Louise Pitta Polsky > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > To contact the PRT-MADEIRA list administrator, send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the PRT-MADEIRA mailing list, send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > >

Hi All, I have the following; Francisco Goncalves Homem m. Isabel Pereira ~1590 Ribeira Brava? Luis Pereira m. Luiza Fernandes ~1568 Sao Vicente Regards, Lou On Jun 23, 2011 2:02 PM, "Philip Rodrigues" <philrod51@yahoo.ca> wrote: > Hi Pat, > I have a Pereira from estreito da Calheta - I'm sure we will have a match at > some point. > Francisco Pereira and his wife Gianv? Rodrigues could not find this one. about > 1600 > also Jacinto Pereira married Maria da Graça 1709 estreito da calheta > his parents are Manuel Pereira Ana da Estrela 1673 Calheta > > Cheers > Philip > http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, June 23, 2011 2:09:58 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira > > Hi Don, > > I personally do not have Antonio Pereira from the Estreito daCalheta, married/or > not to a Francisca de Jesus, with a daughter Rosa/Roza de Jesus bapt 12 Oct > 1897... > > I did find an entry on ARM Bapt Records for a child Rosa, bapt 12 Oct 1897 > father: incognito and mother Francisca de Jesus (no mention of Perpetua)... Is > this the entry/family that you're referring to in your posting? > > How have you linked Francisca and Roza to your lineage? Do you have any other > info, ie: as to the names of Francisca's parents. > > > Any other Pereiras in your ancestry? > > Pat > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don" <Dplopes@comcast.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 5:56:16 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira > > Pat I have a potential Pereira - Antonio from Estreito da Calheta whom I am > trying to find and if he was the father of Roza De Jesus (b 12 Oct 1897) It > appears he never married Francisca De Jesus (Perpetua) but fathered the > child. Anything would help. > Thanks > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 2:13 AM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira > > Thank you Melanie... > > Dear List Members... are you researching any Pereira ancestors/relatives if > so, please list some... it's possible that we can find a link... > > > My 6th Great Grandmother was Ana Pereira bapt 3 May 1666 from Estreito da > Calheta daughter of Domingos de Agrela and Catarina Pereira (I don't have > the names of Catarina's parents). > > Ana Pereira and Manuel Dias were the parents of (Maria Pereira m. to Jose da > Costa, my maternal 5th GGParents.) as well as (Clara Pereira m. to Roque > Sardinha, also my paternal 4th GGParents). > > Other Pereiras in my lines, just to name a few... > > Joao Alvares Pereira m. Leonor Gomes de Melo Alvaro Pereira m. Maria de > Menezes > Rui Goncalves Pereira m. Beringeira Nunes Barreto > Vasco Pereira m. Isabel de Miranda > Diogo Pereira m. Maria de Resende > Isabel Pereira m. Goncalo Nunes Barreto > Isabel Pereira m. Sebastiao Sardinha > Cecilia Pereira m. Domingos Sardinha > Francisco Pereira m. Maria Fernandes > Francisco Pereira m. Isabel Sardinha Silva Joao Pereira m. Madalena > Rodrigues > > Just let me know if anyone that I've listed may be in your pedigree... I can > supply additional info upon request... > > Pat Silva Corbera > Tracy CA > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Melanie Pereira" <dartwannabe@shaw.ca> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 3:39:34 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address > > I did, Pat! > Melanie > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera > Sent: June-21-11 1:25 PM > To: JOSE FERNANDES; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address > > I received your posting... looks like it may be working once again... Pat > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JOSE FERNANDES" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 12:25:21 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address > > i am in > jos fernandes > > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 2:21:50 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address > > Did anyone receive this message? Pat > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat/Philip...I just checked an the baptism records for estreito da calheta are up on the arm site. I have the book here for funchal but it only lists the marriages and some 'termos' (deaths). I would be happy to post the death notices if you like for the pereiras that I find. What I am noticing is that not many are just pereira there are names follwing e.g da sousa,serrao. Janette On 23-Jun-11, at 12:58 PM, Pat Corbera wrote: > Hi Philip, > > I'm sure you and I will locate a Pereira link from Estreito da > Calheta...I hope that ARM inputs the bapt info for Estreito soon... > > I was just looking at my paternal pedigree charts and much to my > surprise at seeing the many Pereira ancestors that I have... > > Next week I'll post those lines...hopefully they'll make a hit with > list members.. > > to be continued: > > Cheers: > Prima Pat > p.s. we're still related via our Borrageiro ancestry from the > Estreito da Calheta. > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Philip Rodrigues" <philrod51@yahoo.ca> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 11:01:38 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira > > Hi Pat, > I have a Pereira from estreito da Calheta - I'm sure we will have a > match at > some point. > Francisco Pereira and his wife Gianv? Rodrigues could not find this > one. about > 1600 > also Jacinto Pereira married Maria da Graça 1709 estreito da calheta > his parents are Manuel Pereira Ana da Estrela 1673 Calheta > > Cheers > Philip > http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, June 23, 2011 2:09:58 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira > > Hi Don, > > I personally do not have Antonio Pereira from the Estreito > daCalheta, married/or > not to a Francisca de Jesus, with a daughter Rosa/Roza de Jesus bapt > 12 Oct > 1897... > > I did find an entry on ARM Bapt Records for a child Rosa, bapt 12 > Oct 1897 > father: incognito and mother Francisca de Jesus (no mention of > Perpetua)... Is > this the entry/family that you're referring to in your posting? > > How have you linked Francisca and Roza to your lineage? Do you have > any other > info, ie: as to the names of Francisca's parents. > > > Any other Pereiras in your ancestry? > > Pat > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don" <Dplopes@comcast.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 5:56:16 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira > > Pat I have a potential Pereira - Antonio from Estreito da Calheta > whom I am > trying to find and if he was the father of Roza De Jesus (b 12 Oct > 1897) It > appears he never married Francisca De Jesus (Perpetua) but fathered > the > child. Anything would help. > Thanks > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 2:13 AM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira > > Thank you Melanie... > > Dear List Members... are you researching any Pereira ancestors/ > relatives if > so, please list some... it's possible that we can find a link... > > > My 6th Great Grandmother was Ana Pereira bapt 3 May 1666 from > Estreito da > Calheta daughter of Domingos de Agrela and Catarina Pereira (I don't > have > the names of Catarina's parents). > > Ana Pereira and Manuel Dias were the parents of (Maria Pereira m. to > Jose da > Costa, my maternal 5th GGParents.) as well as (Clara Pereira m. to > Roque > Sardinha, also my paternal 4th GGParents). > > Other Pereiras in my lines, just to name a few... > > Joao Alvares Pereira m. Leonor Gomes de Melo Alvaro Pereira m. Maria > de > Menezes > Rui Goncalves Pereira m. Beringeira Nunes Barreto > Vasco Pereira m. Isabel de Miranda > Diogo Pereira m. Maria de Resende > Isabel Pereira m. Goncalo Nunes Barreto > Isabel Pereira m. Sebastiao Sardinha > Cecilia Pereira m. Domingos Sardinha > Francisco Pereira m. Maria Fernandes > Francisco Pereira m. Isabel Sardinha Silva Joao Pereira m. Madalena > Rodrigues > > Just let me know if anyone that I've listed may be in your > pedigree... I can > supply additional info upon request... > > Pat Silva Corbera > Tracy CA > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Melanie Pereira" <dartwannabe@shaw.ca> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 3:39:34 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address > > I did, Pat! > Melanie > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera > Sent: June-21-11 1:25 PM > To: JOSE FERNANDES; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address > > I received your posting... looks like it may be working once > again... Pat > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JOSE FERNANDES" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 12:25:21 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address > > i am in > jos fernandes > > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 2:21:50 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address > > Did anyone receive this message? Pat > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

I suspect I am having problems posting these. Here it goes again! José ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: Luis Beal <luisbeal@yahoo.com>; "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:49:13 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Fw: Fw: Portuguese citizenship Luis, what if the grandparents have died? Loss of citizenship is rare, so let's leave that aside, but even then when ? During the Salazar dictatorship? It is interesting on the language for here in Toronto, the consulate is crowded with Portuguese citizens from Macau. For the most part the language doesn't apply. I would that they don't apply that particular rule...sometimes.   José Fernandes From: Luis Beal <luisbeal@yahoo.com> To: list madeira <PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 1:28:59 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Fw: Fw: Portuguese citizenship Actually it seems that citizenship is extended to grandchildren as long as their grandparents have not lost their portuguese nationality. Also the grandchildren applying for portuguese nationality have to be able to communicate in basic portuguese. http://www.embassyportugal-us.org/fileupload/nac_%202_grau.pdf http://www.embassyportugal-us.org/passport+and+nationality > >Here is information on dual citizenship in the US  http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html > > >Luis Beal > >"Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." >Cicero, Roman orator > > >From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> >>To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 7:49 AM >>Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Fw: Portuguese citizenship >> >>well, this one came back. I am trying again >> >> >>----- Forwarded Message ----- >>From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> >>To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 10:47:30 AM >>Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship >> >> >>I am not an American citizen, but it seems to me that your country has joined most of the world in allowing for dual citizenship so I think it is possible. I think dealing with the local Portuguese Consulate is your best bet. I am not sure , however, that citizenship is granted beyond grandparents and often as is the case in most countries there seems to be a gender bias. males are most likely to receive it. >>' >>In Canada dual citizenship is a norm, and we are seeing a lot more people  having 2 or 3 other citizenship. The whole thing does create challenges but also many opportunities. >>  >>  >>José Fernandes >> >>From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> >>To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >>Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:16:37 AM >>Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship >> >>Hi Louise, >> >>I was just thinking about you the other day, and wondering how Laura and Manuel are doing... >> >>I have ordered photo-copies of vital records from the Madeira Archives and have paid with my Chase personal check...no problem so far, though it takes months before the check clears my bank. >> >>Would this cousin be seeking "dual citizenship," and if so, would you and/or list members please explain how a USA citizen can claim citizenship to two countries... >> >>Pat Silva Corbera >>Tracy CA >> >>Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Louise Polsky" <pitinha@cox.net> >>To: "PT-Madeira" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:32:11 PM >>Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship >> >>An Ornellas cousin, a U.S. citizen, is applying for Portuguese citizenship. She is the granddaughter and great granddaughter of natives of Porto Santo, Madeira, Portugal. I have their baptismal records obtained from Family History Library microfilm records. She is seeking official records from the Madeira archives, and has been consulting with the Portuguese Embassy. >>Have any of you gone through this process? Do you have any suggestions? What has been your experience sending money to the archives? >>Thanks for your input. >>Louise Pitta Polsky >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pat, I have a Pereira from estreito da Calheta - I'm sure we will have a match at some point. Francisco Pereira and his wife Gianv? Rodrigues could not find this one. about 1600 also Jacinto Pereira married Maria da Graça 1709 estreito da calheta his parents are Manuel Pereira Ana da Estrela 1673 Calheta Cheers Philip http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ ________________________________ From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, June 23, 2011 2:09:58 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira Hi Don, I personally do not have Antonio Pereira from the Estreito daCalheta, married/or not to a Francisca de Jesus, with a daughter Rosa/Roza de Jesus bapt 12 Oct 1897... I did find an entry on ARM Bapt Records for a child Rosa, bapt 12 Oct 1897 father: incognito and mother Francisca de Jesus (no mention of Perpetua)... Is this the entry/family that you're referring to in your posting? How have you linked Francisca and Roza to your lineage? Do you have any other info, ie: as to the names of Francisca's parents. Any other Pereiras in your ancestry? Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don" <Dplopes@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 5:56:16 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira Pat I have a potential Pereira - Antonio from Estreito da Calheta whom I am trying to find and if he was the father of Roza De Jesus (b 12 Oct 1897) It appears he never married Francisca De Jesus (Perpetua) but fathered the child. Anything would help. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 2:13 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira Thank you Melanie... Dear List Members... are you researching any Pereira ancestors/relatives if so, please list some... it's possible that we can find a link... My 6th Great Grandmother was Ana Pereira bapt 3 May 1666 from Estreito da Calheta daughter of Domingos de Agrela and Catarina Pereira (I don't have the names of Catarina's parents). Ana Pereira and Manuel Dias were the parents of (Maria Pereira m. to Jose da Costa, my maternal 5th GGParents.) as well as (Clara Pereira m. to Roque Sardinha, also my paternal 4th GGParents). Other Pereiras in my lines, just to name a few... Joao Alvares Pereira m. Leonor Gomes de Melo Alvaro Pereira m. Maria de Menezes Rui Goncalves Pereira m. Beringeira Nunes Barreto Vasco Pereira m. Isabel de Miranda Diogo Pereira m. Maria de Resende Isabel Pereira m. Goncalo Nunes Barreto Isabel Pereira m. Sebastiao Sardinha Cecilia Pereira m. Domingos Sardinha Francisco Pereira m. Maria Fernandes Francisco Pereira m. Isabel Sardinha Silva Joao Pereira m. Madalena Rodrigues Just let me know if anyone that I've listed may be in your pedigree... I can supply additional info upon request... Pat Silva Corbera Tracy CA Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melanie Pereira" <dartwannabe@shaw.ca> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 3:39:34 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address I did, Pat! Melanie -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera Sent: June-21-11 1:25 PM To: JOSE FERNANDES; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address I received your posting... looks like it may be working once again... Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOSE FERNANDES" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 12:25:21 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address i am in jos fernandes From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 2:21:50 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address Did anyone receive this message? Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Louise, I've just been sending cash (Euros) via registered mail to circumvent the long wait and usurious bank charges. It's worked well for me and definitely expedited the process. I haven't been through the citizenship request procedure, but you may want to check in with cousin Betty. I chatted to her a couple of weeks back and this particular topic came up and she has some experience in the requirements and application procedures. Hope all are well on your side. Janette On 22-Jun-11, at 10:32 PM, Louise Polsky wrote: > An Ornellas cousin, a U.S. citizen, is applying for Portuguese > citizenship. She is the granddaughter and great granddaughter of > natives of Porto Santo, Madeira, Portugal. I have their baptismal > records obtained from Family History Library microfilm records. She > is seeking official records from the Madeira archives, and has been > consulting with the Portuguese Embassy. > Have any of you gone through this process? Do you have any > suggestions? What has been your experience sending money to the > archives? > Thanks for your input. > Louise Pitta Polsky > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Actually it seems that citizenship is extended to grandchildren as long as their grandparents have not lost their portuguese nationality. Also the grandchildren applying for portuguese nationality have to be able to communicate in basic portuguese. http://www.embassyportugal-us.org/fileupload/nac_%202_grau.pdf http://www.embassyportugal-us.org/passport+and+nationality > >Here is information on dual citizenship in the US  http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html > > >Luis Beal > >"Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." >Cicero, Roman orator > > >From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> >>To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 7:49 AM >>Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Fw: Portuguese citizenship >> >>well, this one came back. I am trying again >> >> >>----- Forwarded Message ----- >>From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> >>To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 10:47:30 AM >>Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship >> >> >>I am not an American citizen, but it seems to me that your country has joined most of the world in allowing for dual citizenship so I think it is possible. I think dealing with the local Portuguese Consulate is your best bet. I am not sure , however, that citizenship is granted beyond grandparents and often as is the case in most countries there seems to be a gender bias. males are most likely to receive it. >>' >>In Canada dual citizenship is a norm, and we are seeing a lot more people  having 2 or 3 other citizenship. The whole thing does create challenges but also many opportunities. >>  >>  >>José Fernandes >> >>From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> >>To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >>Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:16:37 AM >>Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship >> >>Hi Louise, >> >>I was just thinking about you the other day, and wondering how Laura and Manuel are doing... >> >>I have ordered photo-copies of vital records from the Madeira Archives and have paid with my Chase personal check...no problem so far, though it takes months before the check clears my bank. >> >>Would this cousin be seeking "dual citizenship," and if so, would you and/or list members please explain how a USA citizen can claim citizenship to two countries... >> >>Pat Silva Corbera >>Tracy CA >> >>Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Louise Polsky" <pitinha@cox.net> >>To: "PT-Madeira" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:32:11 PM >>Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship >> >>An Ornellas cousin, a U.S. citizen, is applying for Portuguese citizenship. She is the granddaughter and great granddaughter of natives of Porto Santo, Madeira, Portugal. I have their baptismal records obtained from Family History Library microfilm records. She is seeking official records from the Madeira archives, and has been consulting with the Portuguese Embassy. >>Have any of you gone through this process? Do you have any suggestions? What has been your experience sending money to the archives? >>Thanks for your input. >>Louise Pitta Polsky >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > >

Hi- I have been stuck for ages so am not as far back as you lot are....HOWEVER; I have: Emanuel Antonio Pereira born to Antonio Pereira and his wife Maria Gomes in St. John's, Antigua, W.I. on 28 Jan. 1871 I BELIVE Emanuel had 2 sisters-but am not 100% certain-(about 98.5% certain!) They were: Caroline Pereira Born 15 July 1865 in Basseterre, St. Christopher (now St. Kitts) W.I. (God parents were: John Gumbs and Maria Gumbs (not sure if they were Husband/wife or Brother/sister) And Mary Pereira born 15 October 1867 born in St. John's, Antigua, W.I. Mary Pereira married Emanuel Teshara (Teixeira) in St. John's Antigua, W.I. on 24 September 1879- she was a minor and her guardian Maximilian Joachim made his mark (both the bride and groom signed on their own behalf). Emanuel Pereira (MY Grandfather) died in Antigua, Mary and Caroline both emigrated to New York and eventually died there (as well as Mary's daughters') . I have documentation of the 3 siblings' births, the death records of each as well as Ellis Island records for those who emigrated to the US (and Emanuel who visited his sisters). I have a number of US Census for Mary & Caroline (as well as for Mary's 2 daughters) I have been unable to find any record of Antonia Pereira and his wife Maria Gomes (ANY spelling!!) arriving in the W.I.- Leaving Madeira, marrying or etc... Anyway- there they are, Pat. Melanie . -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera Sent: June-22-11 11:10 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira Hi Don, I personally do not have Antonio Pereira from the Estreito daCalheta, married/or not to a Francisca de Jesus, with a daughter Rosa/Roza de Jesus bapt 12 Oct 1897... I did find an entry on ARM Bapt Records for a child Rosa, bapt 12 Oct 1897 father: incognito and mother Francisca de Jesus (no mention of Perpetua)... Is this the entry/family that you're referring to in your posting? How have you linked Francisca and Roza to your lineage? Do you have any other info, ie: as to the names of Francisca's parents. Any other Pereiras in your ancestry? Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don" <Dplopes@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 5:56:16 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira Pat I have a potential Pereira - Antonio from Estreito da Calheta whom I am trying to find and if he was the father of Roza De Jesus (b 12 Oct 1897) It appears he never married Francisca De Jesus (Perpetua) but fathered the child. Anything would help. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 2:13 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Surname: Pereira Thank you Melanie... Dear List Members... are you researching any Pereira ancestors/relatives if so, please list some... it's possible that we can find a link... My 6th Great Grandmother was Ana Pereira bapt 3 May 1666 from Estreito da Calheta daughter of Domingos de Agrela and Catarina Pereira (I don't have the names of Catarina's parents). Ana Pereira and Manuel Dias were the parents of (Maria Pereira m. to Jose da Costa, my maternal 5th GGParents.) as well as (Clara Pereira m. to Roque Sardinha, also my paternal 4th GGParents). Other Pereiras in my lines, just to name a few... Joao Alvares Pereira m. Leonor Gomes de Melo Alvaro Pereira m. Maria de Menezes Rui Goncalves Pereira m. Beringeira Nunes Barreto Vasco Pereira m. Isabel de Miranda Diogo Pereira m. Maria de Resende Isabel Pereira m. Goncalo Nunes Barreto Isabel Pereira m. Sebastiao Sardinha Cecilia Pereira m. Domingos Sardinha Francisco Pereira m. Maria Fernandes Francisco Pereira m. Isabel Sardinha Silva Joao Pereira m. Madalena Rodrigues Just let me know if anyone that I've listed may be in your pedigree... I can supply additional info upon request... Pat Silva Corbera Tracy CA Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melanie Pereira" <dartwannabe@shaw.ca> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 3:39:34 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address I did, Pat! Melanie -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera Sent: June-21-11 1:25 PM To: JOSE FERNANDES; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address I received your posting... looks like it may be working once again... Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOSE FERNANDES" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 12:25:21 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address i am in jos fernandes From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 2:21:50 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] testing using Yahoo email address Did anyone receive this message? Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

well, this one came back. I am trying again ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 10:47:30 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship I am not an American citizen, but it seems to me that your country has joined most of the world in allowing for dual citizenship so I think it is possible. I think dealing with the local Portuguese Consulate is your best bet. I am not sure , however, that citizenship is granted beyond grandparents and often as is the case in most countries there seems to be a gender bias. males are most likely to receive it. ' In Canada dual citizenship is a norm, and we are seeing a lot more people  having 2 or 3 other citizenship. The whole thing does create challenges but also many opportunities.     José Fernandes From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:16:37 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship Hi Louise, I was just thinking about you the other day, and wondering how Laura and Manuel are doing... I have ordered photo-copies of vital records from the Madeira Archives and have paid with my Chase personal check...no problem so far, though it takes months before the check clears my bank. Would this cousin be seeking "dual citizenship," and if so, would you and/or list members please explain how a USA citizen can claim citizenship to two countries... Pat Silva Corbera Tracy CA Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louise Polsky" <pitinha@cox.net> To: "PT-Madeira" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:32:11 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship An Ornellas cousin, a U.S. citizen, is applying for Portuguese citizenship. She is the granddaughter and great granddaughter of natives of Porto Santo, Madeira, Portugal. I have their baptismal records obtained from Family History Library microfilm records. She is seeking official records from the Madeira archives, and has been consulting with the Portuguese Embassy. Have any of you gone through this process? Do you have any suggestions? What has been your experience sending money to the archives? Thanks for your input. Louise Pitta Polsky ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Louise, I was just thinking about you the other day, and wondering how Laura and Manuel are doing... I have ordered photo-copies of vital records from the Madeira Archives and have paid with my Chase personal check...no problem so far, though it takes months before the check clears my bank. Would this cousin be seeking "dual citizenship," and if so, would you and/or list members please explain how a USA citizen can claim citizenship to two countries... Pat Silva Corbera Tracy CA Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louise Polsky" <pitinha@cox.net> To: "PT-Madeira" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:32:11 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Portuguese citizenship An Ornellas cousin, a U.S. citizen, is applying for Portuguese citizenship. She is the granddaughter and great granddaughter of natives of Porto Santo, Madeira, Portugal. I have their baptismal records obtained from Family History Library microfilm records. She is seeking official records from the Madeira archives, and has been consulting with the Portuguese Embassy. Have any of you gone through this process? Do you have any suggestions? What has been your experience sending money to the archives? Thanks for your input. Louise Pitta Polsky ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message