Hi Carolyn, I do not have a Manuel and/or Rosa Alves Soares in my file... But I did locate who I think may be this family on immigration/travel search on Ancestry.com. I'm including that information just in case you do not have it... Soares, Manuael age 12 (either the age is incorrect or the martial status, because he is listed as male/married)...but there's a notation that he's a son under the age of 16...SS. Roma sailed from Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Azores on Aug 31, 1919 arriving Providence RI on Sept 9, 1919. Relative in Madeira noted as being his mother a Rosa Alves, Santa Cruz, Madeira. Going to join his father a Manuel Soares 3 Liverpool Ave. East Boston, MA ~~~~~~~~~~ On another sailing is a Rosa Alves Soares age 46 sailing with 2 children...Joao 11 and Antonio 9 all born Santa Cruz, Madeira...Relative in Madeira is notes as being "sister," Maria Isabel Alves de Sousa of Muro da Coalha, Sao Roque... SS Cretic - sailed from Ponta Delgado, Sao Miguel, Azores on 26th Oct 1919 arrived Port of Bost 11th Nov 1919. ~~~~~~~~~~ ARM Passport: Manuel Soares Júnior Spouse Companion Kinship Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM Destination Nova Iorque-USA Year 1919 Month Ago Box 213 Process Nº 66 Passport Nº 389 Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 08-10-1905 Age (Petitioner) 13 Father (Petitioner) Manuel Soares Mother (Petitioner) Rosa Alves Father (Spouse) Mother (Spouse) Name of the Children Comments 1.ª saída. Estado civil: solteiro. O requerente vai para a companhia de seu pai. ~~~~~~~~~~ ARM - Passport: Petitioner Rosa Alves Spouse Manuel Soares Companion Kinship Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM Destination Boston-MA-USA Year 1919 Month Out Box 215 Process Nº 52 Passport Nº 728 a 729 Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 24-11-1872 Age (Petitioner) 47 Father (Petitioner) Manuel Alves Mother (Petitioner) Juliana de Freitas Father (Spouse) António Soares Mother (Spouse) Dória da Câmara Name of the Children João (11 anos) e António (9 anos) Comments 1.ª saída. A requerente e os filhos vão para a companhai de seu marido e pai. ~~~~~~~~~~ Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 9:52:39 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing Pat, Not to change the subject, but does anyone know of a family of Manoel and Rosa Alves Soares from Santa Cruz came to US in 1919? Thanks cs > Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 00:25:11 +0000 > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > To: luisbeal@yahoo.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > In searching ARM Martinho is there, I didn't see Martino...but not all of Estreito da Calheta vitals have been indexed. Thank you for your input...;-) > > Pat > > p.s. Hoping that Zelia Mullins adds to this thread...she's in SA and I'm sure can be very helpful in pointing out the various sources... > > Plus I vaguely recall another list member that either was researching her Madeira ancestry in SA, or was a professional researcher from SA...but for the life of me I can't remember her name... > > Pat > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:06:34 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > Martinho is both a first and a last name. I don't know if it came from Martins but it is a common name in Portugal. > > > Luis Beal > > "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." > Cicero, Roman orator > > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:13 PM > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > >Hi Lou, > > > >Thank for replying to my post...It was the first time I had seen the surname of Martinho/Martino also... None in my Madeira family...Very good point about a possible connection with the surname of Martin... > > > >Pat > > > >Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "deepsea06" <deepsea06@gmail.com> > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:35:46 AM > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > >Pat, > > Got your message and did see the post on Martinho, however, that is > >the first time I have seen that name in that manner....possibly > >connected to Martins? > >Lou > > > >On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Greg Martino > ><greg.martino@harveyworld.co.za> wrote: > >> Got it. Thanks Pat. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > >> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera > >> Sent: 14 July 2011 09:25 > >> To: Prt-Madeira List Group > >> Cc: zmullins > >> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > >> > >> Hi All, > >> > >> Just "testing," to see if we're still "live," and on-line... > >> > >> Let me know if you receive this message... > >> > >> Thank you, > >> Pat > >> p.s. hopefully you "all," received the posting seeking help for a new member > >> Greg Martino (Martinho)...if not, please let me know... ;-) > >>

Pat, Not to change the subject, but does anyone know of a family of Manoel and Rosa Alves Soares from Santa Cruz came to US in 1919? Thanks cs > Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 00:25:11 +0000 > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > To: luisbeal@yahoo.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > In searching ARM Martinho is there, I didn't see Martino...but not all of Estreito da Calheta vitals have been indexed. Thank you for your input...;-) > > Pat > > p.s. Hoping that Zelia Mullins adds to this thread...she's in SA and I'm sure can be very helpful in pointing out the various sources... > > Plus I vaguely recall another list member that either was researching her Madeira ancestry in SA, or was a professional researcher from SA...but for the life of me I can't remember her name... > > Pat > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:06:34 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > Martinho is both a first and a last name. I don't know if it came from Martins but it is a common name in Portugal. > > > Luis Beal > > "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." > Cicero, Roman orator > > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:13 PM > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > >Hi Lou, > > > >Thank for replying to my post...It was the first time I had seen the surname of Martinho/Martino also... None in my Madeira family...Very good point about a possible connection with the surname of Martin... > > > >Pat > > > >Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "deepsea06" <deepsea06@gmail.com> > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:35:46 AM > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > >Pat, > > Got your message and did see the post on Martinho, however, that is > >the first time I have seen that name in that manner....possibly > >connected to Martins? > >Lou > > > >On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Greg Martino > ><greg.martino@harveyworld.co.za> wrote: > >> Got it. Thanks Pat. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > >> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera > >> Sent: 14 July 2011 09:25 > >> To: Prt-Madeira List Group > >> Cc: zmullins > >> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > >> > >> Hi All, > >> > >> Just "testing," to see if we're still "live," and on-line... > >> > >> Let me know if you receive this message... > >> > >> Thank you, > >> Pat > >> p.s. hopefully you "all," received the posting seeking help for a new member > >> Greg Martino (Martinho)...if not, please let me know... ;-) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Prima Zelia, Thank you so much for answering our request for help with Greg's research in SA. I know that our own linking took the continual efforts of yourself and Philip, before the link to my family was made... and I thank you both for not giving up until that link had been established. Thank you my dear on-line Prima... Hugs to your mother. My dear mother would have been 110 years old this week if she were still alive. I miss her dearly, she too was a "fountain of information." I now wish I had "tapped into," but I didn't... Those of you that still have your parent/s alive, stay close to them, for it's a huge void in your life when they no long are with you... Ask those family history questions now, not when it's too late...I wish I had... Hugs, Prima Pat from California Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zelia Mullins" <zmullins@mweb.co.za> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 1:16:42 AM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/Martinho Hi to everyone on the list and a warm welcome to Greg. I have not contributed anything to the list for a long time but do get your regular communications and read them with interest and the hope that I will pick-up links with my family along the way. It is always exciting when I see that someone's family comes from Estreito da Calheta as both my parents originate from there and the chances of finding a link are so much more promising. Pat, Phillip and Leandro are all linked to my family through the Borrageiro line and I am hopeful that sometime in the future I will find links to my Afonso line as well. I have searched my family tree for the names Martinho and Catano but have not been able to find anything. Perhaps if Greg has the information, he should give us some of the other family names in his ancestry which may lead to uncovering more information and links. With regards searching Portuguese ancestry in South Africa, I have been very disappointed and have found much more information through the Arquivo da Madeira site and through people on this list. Unfortunately the South African archive site is not nearly as helpful and you don't get much response from e-mail correspondence. I have used the services of Anne Lemkuhl in the past with regards my husband's family (of Irish descent), and she proved very helpful and was able to assist me in tracking down records pertaining to his ancestors in South Africa. To Greg the only help I can offer at this stage is to question my mother, Angela de Jesus Borrageiro nee Afonso who is now 80 but she is a wealth of information and has a memory of note. She was born in Estreito da Calheta in 1930 and if you had family living there around that time I can almost guarantee that she will know who they are. Also the Portuguese Catholic Church in Benoni was a big gathering point for the Madeirences (excuse spelling) in the Johannesburg area and all of my siblings were baptised there so the chances are pretty good that she will know your family. I will give her a call later today and will let you know the outcome. Regards Zelia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi to everyone on the list and a warm welcome to Greg. I have not contributed anything to the list for a long time but do get your regular communications and read them with interest and the hope that I will pick-up links with my family along the way. It is always exciting when I see that someone's family comes from Estreito da Calheta as both my parents originate from there and the chances of finding a link are so much more promising. Pat, Phillip and Leandro are all linked to my family through the Borrageiro line and I am hopeful that sometime in the future I will find links to my Afonso line as well. I have searched my family tree for the names Martinho and Catano but have not been able to find anything. Perhaps if Greg has the information, he should give us some of the other family names in his ancestry which may lead to uncovering more information and links. With regards searching Portuguese ancestry in South Africa, I have been very disappointed and have found much more information through the Arquivo da Madeira site and through people on this list. Unfortunately the South African archive site is not nearly as helpful and you don't get much response from e-mail correspondence. I have used the services of Anne Lemkuhl in the past with regards my husband's family (of Irish descent), and she proved very helpful and was able to assist me in tracking down records pertaining to his ancestors in South Africa. To Greg the only help I can offer at this stage is to question my mother, Angela de Jesus Borrageiro nee Afonso who is now 80 but she is a wealth of information and has a memory of note. She was born in Estreito da Calheta in 1930 and if you had family living there around that time I can almost guarantee that she will know who they are. Also the Portuguese Catholic Church in Benoni was a big gathering point for the Madeirences (excuse spelling) in the Johannesburg area and all of my siblings were baptised there so the chances are pretty good that she will know your family. I will give her a call later today and will let you know the outcome. Regards Zelia

Thank you Zelia. I totally agree that you really need someone to navigate the system in SA for you. I am a 'baptizee' of the Benoni church myself, although never a parishioner - but as you say that was the the central point of activity for the Madeira community. Janette On 17-Jul-11, at 1:16 AM, Zelia Mullins wrote: > Hi to everyone on the list and a warm welcome to Greg. > > > > I have not contributed anything to the list for a long time but do > get your > regular communications and read them with interest and the hope that > I will > pick-up links with my family along the way. It is always exciting > when I > see that someone's family comes from Estreito da Calheta as both my > parents > originate from there and the chances of finding a link are so much > more > promising. Pat, Phillip and Leandro are all linked to my family > through the > Borrageiro line and I am hopeful that sometime in the future I will > find > links to my Afonso line as well. > > > > I have searched my family tree for the names Martinho and Catano but > have > not been able to find anything. Perhaps if Greg has the > information, he > should give us some of the other family names in his ancestry which > may lead > to uncovering more information and links. > > > > With regards searching Portuguese ancestry in South Africa, I have > been very > disappointed and have found much more information through the > Arquivo da > Madeira site and through people on this list. Unfortunately the South > African archive site is not nearly as helpful and you don't get much > response from e-mail correspondence. I have used the services of Anne > Lemkuhl in the past with regards my husband's family (of Irish > descent), and > she proved very helpful and was able to assist me in tracking down > records > pertaining to his ancestors in South Africa. > > > > To Greg the only help I can offer at this stage is to question my > mother, > Angela de Jesus Borrageiro nee Afonso who is now 80 but she is a > wealth of > information and has a memory of note. She was born in Estreito da > Calheta > in 1930 and if you had family living there around that time I can > almost > guarantee that she will know who they are. Also the Portuguese > Catholic > Church in Benoni was a big gathering point for the Madeirences (excuse > spelling) in the Johannesburg area and all of my siblings were > baptised > there so the chances are pretty good that she will know your > family. I will > give her a call later today and will let you know the outcome. > > > > Regards > > > > Zelia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Thank you to all that added your comments on my Ancestry.com post... I'm off to make my tree "private." Thank you all dear researchers/friends... and yes many, many hours have gone into researching, so to see linking errors, as an example, one that linked my parents to having offspring that I'm totally unaware of, plus not to mention that were born one on the West Coast at the same time as one being born on the East Coast, certainly makes for unbelievable linking and total frustration. Wonder what my dear parents are thinking in "peaceful heaven." ;-). Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cece Camara" <cece@soccer4all.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 9:10:22 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com Luis/Pat, Sorta correct...but not the complete picture. If you are looking at the ancestry ONE WORLD TREE then you are correct...ancestry just pools all the family trees they can get their hands on and makes matches based on certain criteria...it does a really poor job of this and I long ago gave up trying to get anything out of it as it is a complete mess. Then there are the FAMILY TREES - a completely different area - and a completely different problem...even bigger than the other if you ask me!! So here, people like you and I upload our trees to ancestry and we make them public or private. Way back when I was a stupid little girl (ok maybe 5 or 6 years ago!) I thought I was doing a great thing by making my tree public. Well every person that was brand new to genealogy saw a common name in my tree and decided it was their relative too...so they would download it to theirs and now parts of my tree are everywhere that they don't belong. At first I would write to each of them to try to find where our link was...and then I finally realized after many times of doing this that there almost always was no link. So now it is a private tree - and people have to write to me to get further info. While we can blame all of the neophytes out there, still have to give ancestry most of the blame for this because they let it happen in the first place and there is now no way to reign in the beast now that it has been let loose. I would never spend a minute researching anything on the ancestry family trees or the one world tree. I am sure there is something good somewhere in there if you look long and hard enough but really it is not worth the time of day for me! Cece -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Luis Beal Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 9:57 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com Pat Ancestry uses some program that suggests connections between pedigree lines which makes them look linked. I complained to them a few years ago when my line had people in it I had never heard of but they said they are just suggestions and they were not going to change it. I know they do not look like suggestions. Just want you to know that is Ancestry's fault and not the people that posted their pedigree. Luis On Fri Jul 15th, 2011 11:34 PM PDT Pat Corbera wrote: >I have posted a portion of my ancestry on Ancestry.com public family trees - the site name is: (The da Silva Se' Family Tree). > >I have found in the last week or so, that many of the sites that appear on Ancestry.com have incorrectly linked with others. As we know not all da Silva; or de Silva etc. are related. > >Contacting these site owners has gone unanswered...it's very frustrating, to see this and apparently no way to correct these errors...so do be very careful in taking what has been posted on-line as totally factual/gospel. > >Have fun surf'n...I'll try this source for now...but if things do not get better, I'll be back on with TribalPages... > >I know that Scot Austin is pleased with the on-line site that he subscribes to, but I found that site a little too complicated for me...But I'll give it a second look. > >I'm still trying to figure out a way of adding my pedigree information to my own website at patriciajcorbera.com...any suggestions in how to do this would be greatly appreciated... > >Pat Silva Corbera >patriciajcorbera.com > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1516/3768 - Release Date: 07/16/11 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Luis, Thank you for your added comments. I phoned and spoke with one of their service reps...and was told that I should read their "disclaimer." When I pointed out that many of the suggestions do not even apply, it was like she was a "broken record," and kept repeating the same phrase of "read the disclaimer, and/or fill out the customer service email form. Well, I did, and it's now over one week still waiting for a reply to my email. I personally think that Ancestry.com is totally aware of what's going on, but for whatever reason do not wish to address the problems. Last evening I did received a reply from a person I had sent a message to, informing her that their linking and dates were incorrect...she said that she was well aware of the errors and was working on trying to correct them...but that her time spent making corrections is limited due to summer vacation and her children being out of school. I wrote back and said when she's ready that I would be more than happy to help her. Hope I do hear from her again, since she's incorrectly linked with my da Silva Se' family. I think that Ancestry.com has become so large and their main concern is not to learn of ways of improving their programs, but to continue to grow, all under the "umbrella," of what's in their "disclaimer," and it's "not their fault." Well, I guess I'm not the only one concerned with their suggestions/linking methods...and some would say if you're not happy with Ancestry.com just pull your pedigree information and cancel your subscription... Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 7:56:31 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com Pat Ancestry uses some program that suggests connections between pedigree lines which makes them look linked. I complained to them a few years ago when my line had people in it I had never heard of but they said they are just suggestions and they were not going to change it. I know they do not look like suggestions. Just want you to know that is Ancestry's fault and not the people that posted their pedigree. Luis On Fri Jul 15th, 2011 11:34 PM PDT Pat Corbera wrote: >I have posted a portion of my ancestry on Ancestry.com public family trees - the site name is: (The da Silva Se' Family Tree). > >I have found in the last week or so, that many of the sites that appear on Ancestry.com have incorrectly linked with others. As we know not all da Silva; or de Silva etc. are related. > >Contacting these site owners has gone unanswered...it's very frustrating, to see this and apparently no way to correct these errors...so do be very careful in taking what has been posted on-line as totally factual/gospel. > >Have fun surf'n...I'll try this source for now...but if things do not get better, I'll be back on with TribalPages... > >I know that Scot Austin is pleased with the on-line site that he subscribes to, but I found that site a little too complicated for me...But I'll give it a second look. > >I'm still trying to figure out a way of adding my pedigree information to my own website at patriciajcorbera.com...any suggestions in how to do this would be greatly appreciated... > >Pat Silva Corbera >patriciajcorbera.com > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have had very good luck with Ancestry.com, before I add any suggestions I do the research to verify that a link is valid. Of course alot of this depends on where in the world you are researching and if there are citations and resource listed with a link. Lou On Jul 16, 2011 12:14 PM, "Cece Camara" <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: > Luis/Pat, > Sorta correct...but not the complete picture. If you are looking at the > ancestry ONE WORLD TREE then you are correct...ancestry just pools all the > family trees they can get their hands on and makes matches based on certain > criteria...it does a really poor job of this and I long ago gave up trying > to get anything out of it as it is a complete mess. > Then there are the FAMILY TREES - a completely different area - and a > completely different problem...even bigger than the other if you ask me!! > So here, people like you and I upload our trees to ancestry and we make them > public or private. Way back when I was a stupid little girl (ok maybe 5 or 6 > years ago!) I thought I was doing a great thing by making my tree public. > Well every person that was brand new to genealogy saw a common name in my > tree and decided it was their relative too...so they would download it to > theirs and now parts of my tree are everywhere that they don't belong. At > first I would write to each of them to try to find where our link was...and > then I finally realized after many times of doing this that there almost > always was no link. So now it is a private tree - and people have to write > to me to get further info. While we can blame all of the neophytes out > there, still have to give ancestry most of the blame for this because they > let it happen in the first place and there is now no way to reign in the > beast now that it has been let loose. > I would never spend a minute researching anything on the ancestry family > trees or the one world tree. I am sure there is something good somewhere in > there if you look long and hard enough but really it is not worth the time > of day for me! > Cece > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Luis Beal > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 9:57 AM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com > > Pat > Ancestry uses some program that suggests connections between pedigree lines > which makes them look linked. I complained to them a few years ago when my > line had people in it I had never heard of but they said they are just > suggestions and they were not going to change it. I know they do not look > like suggestions. Just want you to know that is Ancestry's fault and not the > people that posted their pedigree. > Luis > > On Fri Jul 15th, 2011 11:34 PM PDT Pat Corbera wrote: > >>I have posted a portion of my ancestry on Ancestry.com public family trees > - the site name is: (The da Silva Se' Family Tree). >> >>I have found in the last week or so, that many of the sites that appear on > Ancestry.com have incorrectly linked with others. As we know not all da > Silva; or de Silva etc. are related. >> >>Contacting these site owners has gone unanswered...it's very frustrating, > to see this and apparently no way to correct these errors...so do be very > careful in taking what has been posted on-line as totally factual/gospel. >> >>Have fun surf'n...I'll try this source for now...but if things do not get > better, I'll be back on with TribalPages... >> >>I know that Scot Austin is pleased with the on-line site that he subscribes > to, but I found that site a little too complicated for me...But I'll give it > a second look. >> >>I'm still trying to figure out a way of adding my pedigree information to > my own website at patriciajcorbera.com...any suggestions in how to do this > would be greatly appreciated... >> >>Pat Silva Corbera >>patriciajcorbera.com >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1516/3768 - Release Date: 07/16/11 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Luis/Pat, Sorta correct...but not the complete picture. If you are looking at the ancestry ONE WORLD TREE then you are correct...ancestry just pools all the family trees they can get their hands on and makes matches based on certain criteria...it does a really poor job of this and I long ago gave up trying to get anything out of it as it is a complete mess. Then there are the FAMILY TREES - a completely different area - and a completely different problem...even bigger than the other if you ask me!! So here, people like you and I upload our trees to ancestry and we make them public or private. Way back when I was a stupid little girl (ok maybe 5 or 6 years ago!) I thought I was doing a great thing by making my tree public. Well every person that was brand new to genealogy saw a common name in my tree and decided it was their relative too...so they would download it to theirs and now parts of my tree are everywhere that they don't belong. At first I would write to each of them to try to find where our link was...and then I finally realized after many times of doing this that there almost always was no link. So now it is a private tree - and people have to write to me to get further info. While we can blame all of the neophytes out there, still have to give ancestry most of the blame for this because they let it happen in the first place and there is now no way to reign in the beast now that it has been let loose. I would never spend a minute researching anything on the ancestry family trees or the one world tree. I am sure there is something good somewhere in there if you look long and hard enough but really it is not worth the time of day for me! Cece -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Luis Beal Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 9:57 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com Pat Ancestry uses some program that suggests connections between pedigree lines which makes them look linked. I complained to them a few years ago when my line had people in it I had never heard of but they said they are just suggestions and they were not going to change it. I know they do not look like suggestions. Just want you to know that is Ancestry's fault and not the people that posted their pedigree. Luis On Fri Jul 15th, 2011 11:34 PM PDT Pat Corbera wrote: >I have posted a portion of my ancestry on Ancestry.com public family trees - the site name is: (The da Silva Se' Family Tree). > >I have found in the last week or so, that many of the sites that appear on Ancestry.com have incorrectly linked with others. As we know not all da Silva; or de Silva etc. are related. > >Contacting these site owners has gone unanswered...it's very frustrating, to see this and apparently no way to correct these errors...so do be very careful in taking what has been posted on-line as totally factual/gospel. > >Have fun surf'n...I'll try this source for now...but if things do not get better, I'll be back on with TribalPages... > >I know that Scot Austin is pleased with the on-line site that he subscribes to, but I found that site a little too complicated for me...But I'll give it a second look. > >I'm still trying to figure out a way of adding my pedigree information to my own website at patriciajcorbera.com...any suggestions in how to do this would be greatly appreciated... > >Pat Silva Corbera >patriciajcorbera.com > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1516/3768 - Release Date: 07/16/11

I haven't used ancestry.com much for research and I found it was complicated for sharing with family that don't speak English. I've use myheritage.com which I think is a subsidiary of ancesty.com. Has a change language option and great for sharing. As Cece pointed out make it private because the enthusiasm of neophytes - while wonderful - is often the creator of these problems. For the most part they have no idea how pain much painstaking research goes into the genealogical research, and for many there is simply no interest in continuing the research/tree. It's just the novelty. Myheritage.com send you smart matches, giving you the option to view the suggested matches and then accept or reject them. Not sure if it's the same on ancestry. Janette On 16-Jul-11, at 9:35 AM, deepsea06 wrote: > I have had very good luck with Ancestry.com, before I add any > suggestions I > do the research to verify that a link is valid. Of course alot of this > depends on where in the world you are researching and if there are > citations > and resource listed with a link. > > Lou > On Jul 16, 2011 12:14 PM, "Cece Camara" <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: >> Luis/Pat, >> Sorta correct...but not the complete picture. If you are looking at >> the >> ancestry ONE WORLD TREE then you are correct...ancestry just pools >> all the >> family trees they can get their hands on and makes matches based on > certain >> criteria...it does a really poor job of this and I long ago gave up >> trying >> to get anything out of it as it is a complete mess. >> Then there are the FAMILY TREES - a completely different area - and a >> completely different problem...even bigger than the other if you >> ask me!! >> So here, people like you and I upload our trees to ancestry and we >> make > them >> public or private. Way back when I was a stupid little girl (ok >> maybe 5 or > 6 >> years ago!) I thought I was doing a great thing by making my tree >> public. >> Well every person that was brand new to genealogy saw a common name >> in my >> tree and decided it was their relative too...so they would download >> it to >> theirs and now parts of my tree are everywhere that they don't >> belong. At >> first I would write to each of them to try to find where our link > was...and >> then I finally realized after many times of doing this that there >> almost >> always was no link. So now it is a private tree - and people have >> to write >> to me to get further info. While we can blame all of the neophytes >> out >> there, still have to give ancestry most of the blame for this >> because they >> let it happen in the first place and there is now no way to reign >> in the >> beast now that it has been let loose. >> I would never spend a minute researching anything on the ancestry >> family >> trees or the one world tree. I am sure there is something good >> somewhere > in >> there if you look long and hard enough but really it is not worth >> the time >> of day for me! >> Cece >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Luis Beal >> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 9:57 AM >> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com >> >> Pat >> Ancestry uses some program that suggests connections between pedigree > lines >> which makes them look linked. I complained to them a few years ago >> when my >> line had people in it I had never heard of but they said they are >> just >> suggestions and they were not going to change it. I know they do >> not look >> like suggestions. Just want you to know that is Ancestry's fault >> and not > the >> people that posted their pedigree. >> Luis >> >> On Fri Jul 15th, 2011 11:34 PM PDT Pat Corbera wrote: >> >>> I have posted a portion of my ancestry on Ancestry.com public >>> family trees >> - the site name is: (The da Silva Se' Family Tree). >>> >>> I have found in the last week or so, that many of the sites that >>> appear on >> Ancestry.com have incorrectly linked with others. As we know not >> all da >> Silva; or de Silva etc. are related. >>> >>> Contacting these site owners has gone unanswered...it's very >>> frustrating, >> to see this and apparently no way to correct these errors...so do >> be very >> careful in taking what has been posted on-line as totally factual/ >> gospel. >>> >>> Have fun surf'n...I'll try this source for now...but if things do >>> not get >> better, I'll be back on with TribalPages... >>> >>> I know that Scot Austin is pleased with the on-line site that he > subscribes >> to, but I found that site a little too complicated for me...But >> I'll give > it >> a second look. >>> >>> I'm still trying to figure out a way of adding my pedigree >>> information to >> my own website at patriciajcorbera.com...any suggestions in how to >> do this >> would be greatly appreciated... >>> >>> Pat Silva Corbera >>> patriciajcorbera.com >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1516/3768 - Release Date: >> 07/16/11 >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Pat Ancestry uses some program that suggests connections between pedigree lines which makes them look linked. I complained to them a few years ago when my line had people in it I had never heard of but they said they are just suggestions and they were not going to change it. I know they do not look like suggestions. Just want you to know that is Ancestry's fault and not the people that posted their pedigree. Luis On Fri Jul 15th, 2011 11:34 PM PDT Pat Corbera wrote: >I have posted a portion of my ancestry on Ancestry.com public family trees - the site name is: (The da Silva Se' Family Tree). > >I have found in the last week or so, that many of the sites that appear on Ancestry.com have incorrectly linked with others. As we know not all da Silva; or de Silva etc. are related. > >Contacting these site owners has gone unanswered...it's very frustrating, to see this and apparently no way to correct these errors...so do be very careful in taking what has been posted on-line as totally factual/gospel. > >Have fun surf'n...I'll try this source for now...but if things do not get better, I'll be back on with TribalPages... > >I know that Scot Austin is pleased with the on-line site that he subscribes to, but I found that site a little too complicated for me...But I'll give it a second look. > >I'm still trying to figure out a way of adding my pedigree information to my own website at patriciajcorbera.com...any suggestions in how to do this would be greatly appreciated... > >Pat Silva Corbera >patriciajcorbera.com > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have posted a portion of my ancestry on Ancestry.com public family trees - the site name is: (The da Silva Se' Family Tree). I have found in the last week or so, that many of the sites that appear on Ancestry.com have incorrectly linked with others. As we know not all da Silva; or de Silva etc. are related. Contacting these site owners has gone unanswered...it's very frustrating, to see this and apparently no way to correct these errors...so do be very careful in taking what has been posted on-line as totally factual/gospel. Have fun surf'n...I'll try this source for now...but if things do not get better, I'll be back on with TribalPages... I know that Scot Austin is pleased with the on-line site that he subscribes to, but I found that site a little too complicated for me...But I'll give it a second look. I'm still trying to figure out a way of adding my pedigree information to my own website at patriciajcorbera.com...any suggestions in how to do this would be greatly appreciated... Pat Silva Corbera patriciajcorbera.com

Janette and Greg, Janette this is a wonderful website that you pointed out... Greg I would suggest contacting Anne, her email address is noted on the website that Janette refers to in her posting below... Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janette Chun" <janettechun@shaw.ca> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 3:35:07 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/South Africa/Martinho/Martino Hi Pat, There are quite a few listings for genealogy help for South Africa, however, if it's a case of obtaining records and help navigating the system, I would definitely recommend having someone based in SA to do it. Anne has contributed various articles to numerous genealogical sites and also has her own site/blog at http://southafricanresearcher.blogspot.com/2010/04/early-portuguese-settlers-in-south.html The name Martins is listed on the site as one of the early Madeiran settlers. I'm not sure of Greg's dates, perhaps it predates his ancestors, but worth a look. Thanks, Janette On 15-Jul-11, at 12:45 AM, Pat Corbera wrote: > > I located an email from Anne Lehmkuhl to the list...She provided a > listing of Borrageiro individuals in South Africa. > > Tomorrow I'll send her an email, requesting source information for > researching in SA, along with requesting her fee structure for her > services. Hopefully she will help get us started, without a fee, > like she did with the Borrageiro listing... to be continued... > > This is the logo/signature on the Borrageiro listing post that she > provided, back in 2007. > > "Anne Lehmkuhl > Professional researcher specializing in South African historical & > genealogical research. Over 20 years experience, helping clients > world-wide finding people - dead or alive." > > Pat > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary, Welcome back...! Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Frost" <tiamaria@frostdesign.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 5:55:29 AM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] testing Hello Everyone: Test message received here, too. I just returned from a reunion with a bunch of my da Silva family. There is much to do to catch up! God bless you all! Mary da Silva Frost

Janette, Thank you so much for this information. Now that Greg is a member of our list he can check out the various SA sites as well as Anne's sites. Glad that I read my email this morning before attempting to contact Anne, but I will surf the net to see what's available by her online. Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janette Chun" <janettechun@shaw.ca> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 3:35:07 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/South Africa/Martinho/Martino Hi Pat, There are quite a few listings for genealogy help for South Africa, however, if it's a case of obtaining records and help navigating the system, I would definitely recommend having someone based in SA to do it. Anne has contributed various articles to numerous genealogical sites and also has her own site/blog at http://southafricanresearcher.blogspot.com/2010/04/early-portuguese-settlers-in-south.html The name Martins is listed on the site as one of the early Madeiran settlers. I'm not sure of Greg's dates, perhaps it predates his ancestors, but worth a look. Thanks, Janette On 15-Jul-11, at 12:45 AM, Pat Corbera wrote: > > I located an email from Anne Lehmkuhl to the list...She provided a > listing of Borrageiro individuals in South Africa. > > Tomorrow I'll send her an email, requesting source information for > researching in SA, along with requesting her fee structure for her > services. Hopefully she will help get us started, without a fee, > like she did with the Borrageiro listing... to be continued... > > This is the logo/signature on the Borrageiro listing post that she > provided, back in 2007. > > "Anne Lehmkuhl > Professional researcher specializing in South African historical & > genealogical research. Over 20 years experience, helping clients > world-wide finding people - dead or alive." > > Pat > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greg, It's always "fun/interesting," to know the origin of a given surname, but one must start with oneself and working back establish a direct connection to the next generation in your line. Once doing that you can along the way add "branches," to your tree, ie uncles/aunts/cousin etc... Rootsweb lists are not allow "attachments," but if you locate an interesting website you can in your posting to the list refer to the URL address for that site. It's as I told you, this list is a "fountain of information ," of very helpful individuals, so willing to share their knowledge... ;-) Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Martino" <greg.martino@harveyworld.co.za> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 2:52:31 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/South Africa/Martinho/Martino Hi Pat I googled the Martinhofamily name and indeed Miguel's explanations would seem to be of popular belief. I even found a family crest. (Attached) and info re my grandmother's origin. Wow. So it now seems that my grandfather stemmed from Spanish origin and my grandmother from Italian Nobility?! -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera Sent: 15 July 2011 09:46 To: Prt-Madeira List Group Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/South Africa/Martinho/Martino I located an email from Anne Lehmkuhl to the list...She provided a listing of Borrageiro individuals in South Africa. Tomorrow I'll send her an email, requesting source information for researching in SA, along with requesting her fee structure for her services. Hopefully she will help get us started, without a fee, like she did with the Borrageiro listing... to be continued... This is the logo/signature on the Borrageiro listing post that she provided, back in 2007. "Anne Lehmkuhl Professional researcher specializing in South African historical & genealogical research. Over 20 years experience, helping clients world-wide finding people - dead or alive." Pat ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Primo Miguel, Once again, thank you for addding to this "quest," of learning about Greg's family history... Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> To: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com>, prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 1:51:49 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing a. Both Martinho and Martim are names. They come from the Latin - Martinus. ( which originates from Mars, the God of War). Martinho has been used also as a surname. The surname - patronymic - of Martim is Martins. However, apart from that the Martinhos and the Martins have nothing in common. b. The Catanho from Greg's female line, originally is Cattaneo. Comes from Italy. Indeed, the first two brothers Cattaneo, Chirio and Rafae,l.who were from Italian old nobility (actually one of the 28 noble families of Genova, Italy), came to Madeira in the beggining of the 16th century. Most certainly at one point Greg's mother links either to Chirio or Rafael. Regards, Miguel On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 1:41 AM, Luis Beal <luisbeal@yahoo.com> wrote: > In Portugal it would be Martinho not Martino (maybe in Spain or Italy?). > The h was probably dropped since the "nh" sound is hard to pronounce for non > portuguese speakers. > Luis Beal > > "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a > child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the > life of our ancestors." > Cicero, Roman orator > > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > >To: Luis Beal <luisbeal@yahoo.com>; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:25 PM > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > >In searching ARM Martinho is there, I didn't see Martino...but not all of > Estreito da Calheta vitals have been indexed. Thank you for your input...;-) > > > >Pat > > > >p.s. Hoping that Zelia Mullins adds to this thread...she's in SA and I'm > sure can be very helpful in pointing out the various sources... > > > >Plus I vaguely recall another list member that either was researching her > Madeira ancestry in SA, or was a professional researcher from SA...but for > the life of me I can't remember her name... > > > >Pat > > > >Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:06:34 PM > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > >Martinho is both a first and a last name. I don't know if it came from > Martins but it is a common name in Portugal. > > > > > >Luis Beal > > > >"Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a > child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the > life of our ancestors." > >Cicero, Roman orator > > > >From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > >>To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >>Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:13 PM > >>Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > >> > >>Hi Lou, > >> > >>Thank for replying to my post...It was the first time I had seen the > surname of Martinho/Martino also... None in my Madeira family...Very good > point about a possible connection with the surname of Martin... > >> > >>Pat > >> > >>Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "deepsea06" <deepsea06@gmail.com> > >>To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >>Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:35:46 AM > >>Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > >> > >>Pat, > >> Got your message and did see the post on Martinho, however, that is > >>the first time I have seen that name in that manner....possibly > >>connected to Martins? > >>Lou > >> > >>On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Greg Martino > >><greg.martino@harveyworld.co.za> wrote: > >>> Got it. Thanks Pat. > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > >>> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera > >>> Sent: 14 July 2011 09:25 > >>> To: Prt-Madeira List Group > >>> Cc: zmullins > >>> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > >>> > >>> Hi All, > >>> > >>> Just "testing," to see if we're still "live," and on-line... > >>> > >>> Let me know if you receive this message... > >>> > >>> Thank you, > >>> Pat > >>> p.s. hopefully you "all," received the posting seeking help for a new > member > >>> Greg Martino (Martinho)...if not, please let me know... ;-) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pat I googled the Martinhofamily name and indeed Miguel's explanations would seem to be of popular belief. I even found a family crest. (Attached) and info re my grandmother's origin. Wow. So it now seems that my grandfather stemmed from Spanish origin and my grandmother from Italian Nobility?! -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera Sent: 15 July 2011 09:46 To: Prt-Madeira List Group Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/South Africa/Martinho/Martino I located an email from Anne Lehmkuhl to the list...She provided a listing of Borrageiro individuals in South Africa. Tomorrow I'll send her an email, requesting source information for researching in SA, along with requesting her fee structure for her services. Hopefully she will help get us started, without a fee, like she did with the Borrageiro listing... to be continued... This is the logo/signature on the Borrageiro listing post that she provided, back in 2007. "Anne Lehmkuhl Professional researcher specializing in South African historical & genealogical research. Over 20 years experience, helping clients world-wide finding people - dead or alive." Pat ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

a. Both Martinho and Martim are names. They come from the Latin - Martinus. ( which originates from Mars, the God of War). Martinho has been used also as a surname. The surname - patronymic - of Martim is Martins. However, apart from that the Martinhos and the Martins have nothing in common. b. The Catanho from Greg's female line, originally is Cattaneo. Comes from Italy. Indeed, the first two brothers Cattaneo, Chirio and Rafae,l.who were from Italian old nobility (actually one of the 28 noble families of Genova, Italy), came to Madeira in the beggining of the 16th century. Most certainly at one point Greg's mother links either to Chirio or Rafael. Regards, Miguel On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 1:41 AM, Luis Beal <luisbeal@yahoo.com> wrote: > In Portugal it would be Martinho not Martino (maybe in Spain or Italy?). > The h was probably dropped since the "nh" sound is hard to pronounce for non > portuguese speakers. > Luis Beal > > "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a > child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the > life of our ancestors." > Cicero, Roman orator > > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > >To: Luis Beal <luisbeal@yahoo.com>; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:25 PM > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > >In searching ARM Martinho is there, I didn't see Martino...but not all of > Estreito da Calheta vitals have been indexed. Thank you for your input...;-) > > > >Pat > > > >p.s. Hoping that Zelia Mullins adds to this thread...she's in SA and I'm > sure can be very helpful in pointing out the various sources... > > > >Plus I vaguely recall another list member that either was researching her > Madeira ancestry in SA, or was a professional researcher from SA...but for > the life of me I can't remember her name... > > > >Pat > > > >Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:06:34 PM > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > >Martinho is both a first and a last name. I don't know if it came from > Martins but it is a common name in Portugal. > > > > > >Luis Beal > > > >"Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a > child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the > life of our ancestors." > >Cicero, Roman orator > > > >From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > >>To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >>Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:13 PM > >>Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > >> > >>Hi Lou, > >> > >>Thank for replying to my post...It was the first time I had seen the > surname of Martinho/Martino also... None in my Madeira family...Very good > point about a possible connection with the surname of Martin... > >> > >>Pat > >> > >>Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "deepsea06" <deepsea06@gmail.com> > >>To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > >>Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:35:46 AM > >>Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > >> > >>Pat, > >> Got your message and did see the post on Martinho, however, that is > >>the first time I have seen that name in that manner....possibly > >>connected to Martins? > >>Lou > >> > >>On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Greg Martino > >><greg.martino@harveyworld.co.za> wrote: > >>> Got it. Thanks Pat. > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > >>> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera > >>> Sent: 14 July 2011 09:25 > >>> To: Prt-Madeira List Group > >>> Cc: zmullins > >>> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > >>> > >>> Hi All, > >>> > >>> Just "testing," to see if we're still "live," and on-line... > >>> > >>> Let me know if you receive this message... > >>> > >>> Thank you, > >>> Pat > >>> p.s. hopefully you "all," received the posting seeking help for a new > member > >>> Greg Martino (Martinho)...if not, please let me know... ;-) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Everyone: Test message received here, too. I just returned from a reunion with a bunch of my da Silva family. There is much to do to catch up! God bless you all! Mary da Silva Frost