Thank you so much. Linda -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 8:33 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com (Luis)/How to Change from Public Tree to Private Tree Hi Linda and Don, Here's how to go from Public to Private on Ancestry.com Log on to ancestry.com Log on to your site Next to your tree name click on Tree Pages >From Tree Pages Click on Tree Settings >From Tree Settings Click on Privacy Settings You now have the option of Clicking on Private Tree to make your tree Private In the Private Tree Box, you also have the option of preventing your tree from being found in the search index... I did not click on that option...I wanted people to be able to contact me, and then I would make the decision whether or not to allow them to view my tree. Note: although your tree will instantly become private, it usually takes about a week or more to be reflected in the search index... ALSO NOTE: If some one contacts you after your tree is a Private Tree and you accept their request to view your tree, be sure to let them only view/contribute information to you via email, and not to be able to "edit/change," any of your tree information. Pat Silva Corbera Tracy CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda and Don Johnson" <johnson5026@roadrunner.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 4:34:44 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com (Luis) Thank you for your information on ancestry.com. How does one go from public to private? Thank you. Linda -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 10:09 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com (Luis) Luis, Thank you for your added comments. I phoned and spoke with one of their service reps...and was told that I should read their "disclaimer." When I pointed out that many of the suggestions do not even apply, it was like she was a "broken record," and kept repeating the same phrase of "read the disclaimer, and/or fill out the customer service email form. Well, I did, and it's now over one week still waiting for a reply to my email. I personally think that Ancestry.com is totally aware of what's going on, but for whatever reason do not wish to address the problems. Last evening I did received a reply from a person I had sent a message to, informing her that their linking and dates were incorrect...she said that she was well aware of the errors and was working on trying to correct them...but that her time spent making corrections is limited due to summer vacation and her children being out of school. I wrote back and said when she's ready that I would be more than happy to help her. Hope I do hear from her again, since she's incorrectly linked with my da Silva Se' family. I think that Ancestry.com has become so large and their main concern is not to learn of ways of improving their programs, but to continue to grow, all under the "umbrella," of what's in their "disclaimer," and it's "not their fault." Well, I guess I'm not the only one concerned with their suggestions/linking methods...and some would say if you're not happy with Ancestry.com just pull your pedigree information and cancel your subscription... Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 7:56:31 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com Pat Ancestry uses some program that suggests connections between pedigree lines which makes them look linked. I complained to them a few years ago when my line had people in it I had never heard of but they said they are just suggestions and they were not going to change it. I know they do not look like suggestions. Just want you to know that is Ancestry's fault and not the people that posted their pedigree. Luis On Fri Jul 15th, 2011 11:34 PM PDT Pat Corbera wrote: >I have posted a portion of my ancestry on Ancestry.com public family trees - the site name is: (The da Silva Se' Family Tree). > >I have found in the last week or so, that many of the sites that appear on Ancestry.com have incorrectly linked with others. As we know not all da Silva; or de Silva etc. are related. > >Contacting these site owners has gone unanswered...it's very frustrating, to see this and apparently no way to correct these errors...so do be very careful in taking what has been posted on-line as totally factual/gospel. > >Have fun surf'n...I'll try this source for now...but if things do not get better, I'll be back on with TribalPages... > >I know that Scot Austin is pleased with the on-line site that he subscribes to, but I found that site a little too complicated for me...But I'll give it a second look. > >I'm still trying to figure out a way of adding my pedigree information to my own website at patriciajcorbera.com...any suggestions in how to do this would be greatly appreciated... > >Pat Silva Corbera >patriciajcorbera.com > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I cannot recall how I did it, but a couple of years ago I was able to delete the trees that I had submitted to Rootsweb. I think I contacted Rootsweb tech support to find out how to do it. David L. DeGrella ----- Original Message ----- From: Luis Beal To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com (Luis) I never added my family to Ancestry I added it to Rootsweb but since Ancestry bought Rootsweb.... When I uploaded my tree I had the option of either making it public or having people contact me for information with no option to download. That is what I selected. I have found though that a couple of people have gone to the extreme of copying some of the branches in my tree and adding them to their database when they have no relatioship whatsoever to my branches. I know that because I contacted them. When it comes to pulling the tree off the site unless if Ancestry has specifically mentioned that once you upload it to their site it becomes their property then you should have the option to remove it. I do no longer subscribe to Ancestry so I don't have an answer to that question. Take care Luis Beal "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator From: Don <Dplopes@comcast.net> >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 5:51 PM >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com (Luis) > >You have given me thought for concern, but I was unaware that you could even >pull your family off of their site? Once they have it for any reason I >believe your stuck. >Don L > >-----Original Message----- >From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com >[mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda and Don Johnson >Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 7:35 PM >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com (Luis) > >Thank you for your information on ancestry.com. How does one go from public >to private? >Thank you. >Linda > >-----Original Message----- >From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com >[mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera >Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 10:09 AM >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com (Luis) > >Luis, > >Thank you for your added comments. > >I phoned and spoke with one of their service reps...and was told that I >should read their "disclaimer." When I pointed out that many of the >suggestions do not even apply, it was like she was a "broken record," and >kept repeating the same phrase of "read the disclaimer, and/or fill out the >customer service email form. Well, I did, and it's now over one week still >waiting for a reply to my email. > >I personally think that Ancestry.com is totally aware of what's going on, >but for whatever reason do not wish to address the problems. > >Last evening I did received a reply from a person I had sent a message to, >informing her that their linking and dates were incorrect...she said that >she was well aware of the errors and was working on trying to correct >them...but that her time spent making corrections is limited due to summer >vacation and her children being out of school. > >I wrote back and said when she's ready that I would be more than happy to >help her. >Hope I do hear from her again, since she's incorrectly linked with my da >Silva Se' family. > >I think that Ancestry.com has become so large and their main concern is not >to learn of ways of improving their programs, but to continue to grow, all >under the "umbrella," of what's in their "disclaimer," and it's "not their >fault." > >Well, I guess I'm not the only one concerned with their suggestions/linking >methods...and some would say if you're not happy with Ancestry.com just pull >your pedigree information and cancel your subscription... > >Pat > >Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 7:56:31 AM >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com > >Pat >Ancestry uses some program that suggests connections between pedigree lines >which makes them look linked. I complained to them a few years ago when my >line had people in it I had never heard of but they said they are just >suggestions and they were not going to change it. I know they do not look >like suggestions. Just want you to know that is Ancestry's fault and not the >people that posted their pedigree. >Luis > >On Fri Jul 15th, 2011 11:34 PM PDT Pat Corbera wrote: > >>I have posted a portion of my ancestry on Ancestry.com public family >>trees >- the site name is: (The da Silva Se' Family Tree). >> >>I have found in the last week or so, that many of the sites that appear >>on >Ancestry.com have incorrectly linked with others. As we know not all da >Silva; or de Silva etc. are related. >> >>Contacting these site owners has gone unanswered...it's very >>frustrating, >to see this and apparently no way to correct these errors...so do be very >careful in taking what has been posted on-line as totally factual/gospel. >> >>Have fun surf'n...I'll try this source for now...but if things do not >>get >better, I'll be back on with TribalPages... >> >>I know that Scot Austin is pleased with the on-line site that he >>subscribes >to, but I found that site a little too complicated for me...But I'll give it >a second look. >> >>I'm still trying to figure out a way of adding my pedigree information >>to >my own website at patriciajcorbera.com...any suggestions in how to do this >would be greatly appreciated... >> >>Pat Silva Corbera >>patriciajcorbera.com >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >-- >I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. >SPAMfighter has removed 350 of my spam emails to date. >Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > >The Professional version does not have this message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Basically the same was happening to me, before I, with the help of Cece made my tree Private...I've contact many tree owners, but only two have replied back to me...their linking to my family still remain incorrectly linked to mine. Another thing that "drives me crazy," with this site, is how people can have more than one tree, basically with each different tree having the same information...I can't understand why someone would do that... I can see having separate trees ie. one for paternal ancestors and another for maternal, but to have multiple tree with the same information, just doesn't make sense to me... The problem with multiple sites is that "the little green leaf," keeps appearing when additions are made to my site...when clicking on the "leaf," in hopes of linking with a "new relative," all those multiple sites appear, and that very often have no bearing or matching with my individuals information... I feel like all I'm doing is complaining with negative comments, but to give "credit," when "credit," is due, there are some very helpful "search," results supplied on Ancestry.com... Pat Silva Corbera Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 7:15:48 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com (Luis) I never added my family to Ancestry I added it to Rootsweb but since Ancestry bought Rootsweb.... When I uploaded my tree I had the option of either making it public or having people contact me for information with no option to download. That is what I selected. I have found though that a couple of people have gone to the extreme of copying some of the branches in my tree and adding them to their database when they have no relatioship whatsoever to my branches. I know that because I contacted them. When it comes to pulling the tree off the site unless if Ancestry has specifically mentioned that once you upload it to their site it becomes their property then you should have the option to remove it. I do no longer subscribe to Ancestry so I don't have an answer to that question. Take care Luis Beal "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator From: Don <Dplopes@comcast.net> >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 5:51 PM >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com (Luis) > >You have given me thought for concern, but I was unaware that you could even >pull your family off of their site? Once they have it for any reason I >believe your stuck. >Don L > >-----Original Message----- >From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com >[mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda and Don Johnson >Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 7:35 PM >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com (Luis) > >Thank you for your information on ancestry.com. How does one go from public >to private? >Thank you. >Linda > >-----Original Message----- >From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com >[mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera >Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 10:09 AM >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com (Luis) > >Luis, > >Thank you for your added comments. > >I phoned and spoke with one of their service reps...and was told that I >should read their "disclaimer." When I pointed out that many of the >suggestions do not even apply, it was like she was a "broken record," and >kept repeating the same phrase of "read the disclaimer, and/or fill out the >customer service email form. Well, I did, and it's now over one week still >waiting for a reply to my email. > >I personally think that Ancestry.com is totally aware of what's going on, >but for whatever reason do not wish to address the problems. > >Last evening I did received a reply from a person I had sent a message to, >informing her that their linking and dates were incorrect...she said that >she was well aware of the errors and was working on trying to correct >them...but that her time spent making corrections is limited due to summer >vacation and her children being out of school. > >I wrote back and said when she's ready that I would be more than happy to >help her. >Hope I do hear from her again, since she's incorrectly linked with my da >Silva Se' family. > >I think that Ancestry.com has become so large and their main concern is not >to learn of ways of improving their programs, but to continue to grow, all >under the "umbrella," of what's in their "disclaimer," and it's "not their >fault." > >Well, I guess I'm not the only one concerned with their suggestions/linking >methods...and some would say if you're not happy with Ancestry.com just pull >your pedigree information and cancel your subscription... > >Pat > >Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 7:56:31 AM >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com > >Pat >Ancestry uses some program that suggests connections between pedigree lines >which makes them look linked. I complained to them a few years ago when my >line had people in it I had never heard of but they said they are just >suggestions and they were not going to change it. I know they do not look >like suggestions. Just want you to know that is Ancestry's fault and not the >people that posted their pedigree. >Luis > >On Fri Jul 15th, 2011 11:34 PM PDT Pat Corbera wrote: > >>I have posted a portion of my ancestry on Ancestry.com public family >>trees >- the site name is: (The da Silva Se' Family Tree). >> >>I have found in the last week or so, that many of the sites that appear >>on >Ancestry.com have incorrectly linked with others. As we know not all da >Silva; or de Silva etc. are related. >> >>Contacting these site owners has gone unanswered...it's very >>frustrating, >to see this and apparently no way to correct these errors...so do be very >careful in taking what has been posted on-line as totally factual/gospel. >> >>Have fun surf'n...I'll try this source for now...but if things do not >>get >better, I'll be back on with TribalPages... >> >>I know that Scot Austin is pleased with the on-line site that he >>subscribes >to, but I found that site a little too complicated for me...But I'll give it >a second look. >> >>I'm still trying to figure out a way of adding my pedigree information >>to >my own website at patriciajcorbera.com...any suggestions in how to do this >would be greatly appreciated... >> >>Pat Silva Corbera >>patriciajcorbera.com

Hi Don, Here's what I found on how to remove/delete an ancestry.com tree...I'm not sure by doing this procedure that a tree is completely removed from the ancestry.com system or if it only deletes/remove access by the person that originally created it up... May be Leo/Leonardo in our group would try this out, since he has at least 5 different trees on ancestry.com... Procedure: Log on to ancestry.com Next to the name of your tree you will find "Tree Pages," Mouse over "tree pages" >From "tree pages, select and Click on "Tree Settings" Your Tree Info now appears with the "Tree Name" and any "Tree Description" that you may have added... On the right side of that page you will see the following: Your home person in this tree Who you are in this tree Manage your tree You now have the option to "Export," your tree "Export your family tree data, as a GEDCOM file, to your computer. OR TO: "Delete your tree"... "Delete your tree from Ancestry. This includes deleting all people, photos, stories, etc. in your tree." WARNING! "This action cannot be undone!" Delete your tree (click on this wording to start the process). I'm not sure what appears next after clicking on "Delete your Tree." I didn't want to delete my tree, if this really works... Pat Silva Corbera Tracy, CA Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don" <Dplopes@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 5:51:06 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com (Luis) You have given me thought for concern, but I was unaware that you could even pull your family off of their site? Once they have it for any reason I believe your stuck. Don L -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda and Don Johnson Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 7:35 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com (Luis) Thank you for your information on ancestry.com. How does one go from public to private? Thank you. Linda -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 10:09 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com (Luis) Luis, Thank you for your added comments. I phoned and spoke with one of their service reps...and was told that I should read their "disclaimer." When I pointed out that many of the suggestions do not even apply, it was like she was a "broken record," and kept repeating the same phrase of "read the disclaimer, and/or fill out the customer service email form. Well, I did, and it's now over one week still waiting for a reply to my email. I personally think that Ancestry.com is totally aware of what's going on, but for whatever reason do not wish to address the problems. Last evening I did received a reply from a person I had sent a message to, informing her that their linking and dates were incorrect...she said that she was well aware of the errors and was working on trying to correct them...but that her time spent making corrections is limited due to summer vacation and her children being out of school. I wrote back and said when she's ready that I would be more than happy to help her. Hope I do hear from her again, since she's incorrectly linked with my da Silva Se' family. I think that Ancestry.com has become so large and their main concern is not to learn of ways of improving their programs, but to continue to grow, all under the "umbrella," of what's in their "disclaimer," and it's "not their fault." Well, I guess I'm not the only one concerned with their suggestions/linking methods...and some would say if you're not happy with Ancestry.com just pull your pedigree information and cancel your subscription... Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 7:56:31 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com Pat Ancestry uses some program that suggests connections between pedigree lines which makes them look linked. I complained to them a few years ago when my line had people in it I had never heard of but they said they are just suggestions and they were not going to change it. I know they do not look like suggestions. Just want you to know that is Ancestry's fault and not the people that posted their pedigree. Luis On Fri Jul 15th, 2011 11:34 PM PDT Pat Corbera wrote: >I have posted a portion of my ancestry on Ancestry.com public family >trees - the site name is: (The da Silva Se' Family Tree). > >I have found in the last week or so, that many of the sites that appear >on Ancestry.com have incorrectly linked with others. As we know not all da Silva; or de Silva etc. are related. > >Contacting these site owners has gone unanswered...it's very >frustrating, to see this and apparently no way to correct these errors...so do be very careful in taking what has been posted on-line as totally factual/gospel. > >Have fun surf'n...I'll try this source for now...but if things do not >get better, I'll be back on with TribalPages... > >I know that Scot Austin is pleased with the on-line site that he >subscribes to, but I found that site a little too complicated for me...But I'll give it a second look. > >I'm still trying to figure out a way of adding my pedigree information >to my own website at patriciajcorbera.com...any suggestions in how to do this would be greatly appreciated... > >Pat Silva Corbera >patriciajcorbera.com > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. 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Hi Linda and Don, Here's how to go from Public to Private on Ancestry.com Log on to ancestry.com Log on to your site Next to your tree name click on Tree Pages >From Tree Pages Click on Tree Settings >From Tree Settings Click on Privacy Settings You now have the option of Clicking on Private Tree to make your tree Private In the Private Tree Box, you also have the option of preventing your tree from being found in the search index... I did not click on that option...I wanted people to be able to contact me, and then I would make the decision whether or not to allow them to view my tree. Note: although your tree will instantly become private, it usually takes about a week or more to be reflected in the search index... ALSO NOTE: If some one contacts you after your tree is a Private Tree and you accept their request to view your tree, be sure to let them only view/contribute information to you via email, and not to be able to "edit/change," any of your tree information. Pat Silva Corbera Tracy CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda and Don Johnson" <johnson5026@roadrunner.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 4:34:44 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com (Luis) Thank you for your information on ancestry.com. How does one go from public to private? Thank you. Linda -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 10:09 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com (Luis) Luis, Thank you for your added comments. I phoned and spoke with one of their service reps...and was told that I should read their "disclaimer." When I pointed out that many of the suggestions do not even apply, it was like she was a "broken record," and kept repeating the same phrase of "read the disclaimer, and/or fill out the customer service email form. Well, I did, and it's now over one week still waiting for a reply to my email. I personally think that Ancestry.com is totally aware of what's going on, but for whatever reason do not wish to address the problems. Last evening I did received a reply from a person I had sent a message to, informing her that their linking and dates were incorrect...she said that she was well aware of the errors and was working on trying to correct them...but that her time spent making corrections is limited due to summer vacation and her children being out of school. I wrote back and said when she's ready that I would be more than happy to help her. Hope I do hear from her again, since she's incorrectly linked with my da Silva Se' family. I think that Ancestry.com has become so large and their main concern is not to learn of ways of improving their programs, but to continue to grow, all under the "umbrella," of what's in their "disclaimer," and it's "not their fault." Well, I guess I'm not the only one concerned with their suggestions/linking methods...and some would say if you're not happy with Ancestry.com just pull your pedigree information and cancel your subscription... Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 7:56:31 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com Pat Ancestry uses some program that suggests connections between pedigree lines which makes them look linked. I complained to them a few years ago when my line had people in it I had never heard of but they said they are just suggestions and they were not going to change it. I know they do not look like suggestions. Just want you to know that is Ancestry's fault and not the people that posted their pedigree. Luis On Fri Jul 15th, 2011 11:34 PM PDT Pat Corbera wrote: >I have posted a portion of my ancestry on Ancestry.com public family trees - the site name is: (The da Silva Se' Family Tree). > >I have found in the last week or so, that many of the sites that appear on Ancestry.com have incorrectly linked with others. As we know not all da Silva; or de Silva etc. are related. > >Contacting these site owners has gone unanswered...it's very frustrating, to see this and apparently no way to correct these errors...so do be very careful in taking what has been posted on-line as totally factual/gospel. > >Have fun surf'n...I'll try this source for now...but if things do not get better, I'll be back on with TribalPages... > >I know that Scot Austin is pleased with the on-line site that he subscribes to, but I found that site a little too complicated for me...But I'll give it a second look. > >I'm still trying to figure out a way of adding my pedigree information to my own website at patriciajcorbera.com...any suggestions in how to do this would be greatly appreciated... > >Pat Silva Corbera >patriciajcorbera.com >

You have given me thought for concern, but I was unaware that you could even pull your family off of their site? Once they have it for any reason I believe your stuck. Don L -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda and Don Johnson Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 7:35 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com (Luis) Thank you for your information on ancestry.com. How does one go from public to private? Thank you. Linda -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 10:09 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com (Luis) Luis, Thank you for your added comments. I phoned and spoke with one of their service reps...and was told that I should read their "disclaimer." When I pointed out that many of the suggestions do not even apply, it was like she was a "broken record," and kept repeating the same phrase of "read the disclaimer, and/or fill out the customer service email form. Well, I did, and it's now over one week still waiting for a reply to my email. I personally think that Ancestry.com is totally aware of what's going on, but for whatever reason do not wish to address the problems. Last evening I did received a reply from a person I had sent a message to, informing her that their linking and dates were incorrect...she said that she was well aware of the errors and was working on trying to correct them...but that her time spent making corrections is limited due to summer vacation and her children being out of school. I wrote back and said when she's ready that I would be more than happy to help her. Hope I do hear from her again, since she's incorrectly linked with my da Silva Se' family. I think that Ancestry.com has become so large and their main concern is not to learn of ways of improving their programs, but to continue to grow, all under the "umbrella," of what's in their "disclaimer," and it's "not their fault." Well, I guess I'm not the only one concerned with their suggestions/linking methods...and some would say if you're not happy with Ancestry.com just pull your pedigree information and cancel your subscription... Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 7:56:31 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com Pat Ancestry uses some program that suggests connections between pedigree lines which makes them look linked. I complained to them a few years ago when my line had people in it I had never heard of but they said they are just suggestions and they were not going to change it. I know they do not look like suggestions. Just want you to know that is Ancestry's fault and not the people that posted their pedigree. Luis On Fri Jul 15th, 2011 11:34 PM PDT Pat Corbera wrote: >I have posted a portion of my ancestry on Ancestry.com public family >trees - the site name is: (The da Silva Se' Family Tree). > >I have found in the last week or so, that many of the sites that appear >on Ancestry.com have incorrectly linked with others. As we know not all da Silva; or de Silva etc. are related. > >Contacting these site owners has gone unanswered...it's very >frustrating, to see this and apparently no way to correct these errors...so do be very careful in taking what has been posted on-line as totally factual/gospel. > >Have fun surf'n...I'll try this source for now...but if things do not >get better, I'll be back on with TribalPages... > >I know that Scot Austin is pleased with the on-line site that he >subscribes to, but I found that site a little too complicated for me...But I'll give it a second look. > >I'm still trying to figure out a way of adding my pedigree information >to my own website at patriciajcorbera.com...any suggestions in how to do this would be greatly appreciated... > >Pat Silva Corbera >patriciajcorbera.com > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. 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I never added  my family to Ancestry I added it to Rootsweb but since Ancestry bought Rootsweb.... When I uploaded my tree I had the option of either making it public or having people contact me for information with no option to download. That is what I selected. I have found though that a couple of people have gone to the extreme of copying some of the branches in my tree and adding them to their database when they have no relatioship whatsoever to my branches. I know that because I contacted them. When it comes to pulling the tree off the site unless if Ancestry has specifically mentioned that once you upload it to their site it becomes their property then you should have the option to remove it. I do no longer subscribe to Ancestry so I don't have an answer to that question.   Take care     Luis Beal "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator From: Don <Dplopes@comcast.net> >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 5:51 PM >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com (Luis) > >You have given me thought for concern, but I was unaware that you could even >pull your family off of their site? Once they have it for any reason I >believe your stuck. >Don L > >-----Original Message----- >From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com >[mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda and Don Johnson >Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 7:35 PM >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com (Luis) > >Thank you for your information on ancestry.com.  How does one go from public >to private? >Thank you. >Linda > >-----Original Message----- >From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com >[mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera >Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 10:09 AM >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com (Luis) > >Luis, > >Thank you for your added comments. > >I phoned and spoke with one of their service reps...and was told that I >should read their "disclaimer." When I pointed out that many of the >suggestions do not even apply, it was like she was a "broken record," and >kept repeating the same phrase of "read the disclaimer, and/or fill out the >customer service email form.  Well, I did, and it's now over one week still >waiting for a reply to my email. > >I personally think that Ancestry.com is totally aware of what's going on, >but for whatever reason do not wish to address the problems. > >Last evening I did received a reply from a person I had sent a message to, >informing her that their linking and dates were incorrect...she said that >she was well aware of the errors and was working on trying to correct >them...but that her time spent making corrections is limited due to summer >vacation and her children being out of school. > >I wrote back and said when she's ready that I would be more than happy to >help her. >Hope I do hear from her again, since she's incorrectly linked with my da >Silva Se' family. > >I think that Ancestry.com has become so large and their main concern is not >to learn of ways of improving their programs, but to continue to grow, all >under the "umbrella," of what's in their "disclaimer," and it's "not their >fault." > >Well, I guess I'm not the only one concerned with their suggestions/linking >methods...and some would say if you're not happy with Ancestry.com just pull >your pedigree information and cancel your subscription... > >Pat > >Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 7:56:31 AM >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com > >Pat >Ancestry uses some program that suggests connections between pedigree lines >which makes them look linked. I complained to them a few years ago when my >line had people in it I had never heard of but they said they are just >suggestions and they were not going to change it. I know they do not look >like suggestions. Just want you to know that is Ancestry's fault and not the >people that posted their pedigree. >Luis > >On Fri Jul 15th, 2011 11:34 PM PDT Pat Corbera wrote: > >>I have posted a portion of my ancestry on Ancestry.com public family >>trees >- the site name is: (The da Silva Se' Family Tree). >> >>I have found in the last week or so, that many of the sites that appear >>on >Ancestry.com have incorrectly linked with others. As we know not all da >Silva; or de Silva etc. are related. >> >>Contacting these site owners has gone unanswered...it's very >>frustrating, >to see this and apparently no way to correct these errors...so do be very >careful in taking what has been posted on-line as totally factual/gospel. >> >>Have fun surf'n...I'll try this source for now...but if things do not >>get >better, I'll be back on with TribalPages... >> >>I know that Scot Austin is pleased with the on-line site that he >>subscribes >to, but I found that site a little too complicated for me...But I'll give it >a second look. >> >>I'm still trying to figure out a way of adding my pedigree information >>to >my own website at patriciajcorbera.com...any suggestions in how to do this >would be greatly appreciated... >> >>Pat Silva Corbera >>patriciajcorbera.com >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >-- >I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. >SPAMfighter has removed 350 of my spam emails to date. >Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > >The Professional version does not have this message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Thank you for your information on ancestry.com. How does one go from public to private? Thank you. Linda -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 10:09 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com (Luis) Luis, Thank you for your added comments. I phoned and spoke with one of their service reps...and was told that I should read their "disclaimer." When I pointed out that many of the suggestions do not even apply, it was like she was a "broken record," and kept repeating the same phrase of "read the disclaimer, and/or fill out the customer service email form. Well, I did, and it's now over one week still waiting for a reply to my email. I personally think that Ancestry.com is totally aware of what's going on, but for whatever reason do not wish to address the problems. Last evening I did received a reply from a person I had sent a message to, informing her that their linking and dates were incorrect...she said that she was well aware of the errors and was working on trying to correct them...but that her time spent making corrections is limited due to summer vacation and her children being out of school. I wrote back and said when she's ready that I would be more than happy to help her. Hope I do hear from her again, since she's incorrectly linked with my da Silva Se' family. I think that Ancestry.com has become so large and their main concern is not to learn of ways of improving their programs, but to continue to grow, all under the "umbrella," of what's in their "disclaimer," and it's "not their fault." Well, I guess I'm not the only one concerned with their suggestions/linking methods...and some would say if you're not happy with Ancestry.com just pull your pedigree information and cancel your subscription... Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 7:56:31 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Ancestry.com Pat Ancestry uses some program that suggests connections between pedigree lines which makes them look linked. I complained to them a few years ago when my line had people in it I had never heard of but they said they are just suggestions and they were not going to change it. I know they do not look like suggestions. Just want you to know that is Ancestry's fault and not the people that posted their pedigree. Luis On Fri Jul 15th, 2011 11:34 PM PDT Pat Corbera wrote: >I have posted a portion of my ancestry on Ancestry.com public family trees - the site name is: (The da Silva Se' Family Tree). > >I have found in the last week or so, that many of the sites that appear on Ancestry.com have incorrectly linked with others. As we know not all da Silva; or de Silva etc. are related. > >Contacting these site owners has gone unanswered...it's very frustrating, to see this and apparently no way to correct these errors...so do be very careful in taking what has been posted on-line as totally factual/gospel. > >Have fun surf'n...I'll try this source for now...but if things do not get better, I'll be back on with TribalPages... > >I know that Scot Austin is pleased with the on-line site that he subscribes to, but I found that site a little too complicated for me...But I'll give it a second look. > >I'm still trying to figure out a way of adding my pedigree information to my own website at patriciajcorbera.com...any suggestions in how to do this would be greatly appreciated... > >Pat Silva Corbera >patriciajcorbera.com > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cece, Thank you for adding to this thread, hopefully you will link with Carolyn's husband's family. Do you have any LDS films on loan for the Santa Cruz area? Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cece Camara" <cece@soccer4all.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 1:46:08 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira Pat/Carolyn, I've been reading these posts with interest as we do have Camara, Freitas and Alves from Santa Cruz...problem is I've checked my database and so far nothing is a match...may need to go back another couple of generations to find one. I'll keep watching the thread Carolyn. My father was born in Santa Cruz in 1905...problem is our Camara name only goes back 2 generations before my Dad as his grandfather was an orphan given that name (as was common practice at that time). Now my Freitas goes way back...and Alves are current day cousins still living in Santa Cruz (actually Alves Ferro is the full & current name). Cece Soccer 4 All | Lacrosse 4 All Headquarters 1306 FM 1092 ste 105 | Missouri City, TX 77459 tel: 281.499.6665 x-402| fax: 281.499.9199 | email: cece@soccer4all.com -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:29 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira Carolyn and Cece, List Members, Cece with the surname of Camara from S. Cruz, Madeira...it's possible that there's a link with your family... Thank you for the additional information supplied in your last posting. You asked if "does this make sense to you," yes it does, but only you can answer what you're truly trying to establish... It may prove difficult in locating the descendants of your husband's uncles (Manuel Jr. & Antonio). >From this point on if you're only interested in locating family members in the USA, then you will need to start with your husband's uncles/aunts looking for death records either on line (using FamilySearch.org - or any of the other source that may be fee based). Post to as many of the online message/boards, or even creating one for the surname Soares if there isn't already one... I did locate a couple that may be Soares family members, but without actually seeing additional records it's not possible to establish if they are your husband's family... Now if your interested in tracing your husband's Portuguese roots in Santa Cruz, Madeira, there are records online (or again through the film service of the Mormon Church) that can be ordered and viewed... The information so far is the following: John Ernest Soares (indexed as Seares) b. 16 Aug 1939 Jefferson, Tx parents John Seares and Ruby Mae Landry...(I'm assuming this is your husband/and his parents...correct me if I'm wrong... John Seares/Soares b. abt 1908 S. Cruz Madeira son of Manuel Soares b.abt 1879 S. Cruz m.1904 S. Cruz to Rosa Alves b. abt 1873 S.Cruz. Manuel Soares(Sr.) son of Antonio Soares and Doria da Camara.(Antonio and Doria married 1868 S. Cruz) Rosa Alves daughter of Manuel Alves and Juliana de Freitas (Manuel and Juliana married 1863 S. Cruz)... These records can be ordered from the Madeira Archives...it's possible that Manuel Alves and Juliana de Freitas' marriage record will name their parents...giving you still another generation of ancestors...If you need help in how to order from the Madeira Archives just let me/us know... These records may also be on film, that can be obtained from your local Mormon Church Family History Centers...Check out their website at - www.familysearch.org for a family history center nearest your home...as well as the film numbers for the Santa Cruz, Madeira parish... And it's possible that other members on this list are researching their ancestors/relatives in the Santa Cruz, Madeira area and can add additional researching sources... Here's some possibilities for additional follow-up to establish if they are related to your husband... John SOARES (Father of your husband) Birth Date: 9 Apr 1908 Death Date: 6 Feb 1993 Social Security Number: 454-10-0032 State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Texas Death Residence Localities ZIP Code: 77662 Localities: Lakeview, Orange, Texas North Vidor, Orange, Texas Pine Forest, Orange, Texas Rose City, Orange, Texas Vidor, Orange, Texas Possible record for Anthony Soares (brother of Joao/John and Manuel Jr.)FamilySearch.org 4. Anthony SOARES - U.S. Social Security Death Index Birth: 12 Jun 1910 State Where Number was Issued: Massachusetts Death: Jan 1971 5. Antonio SOARES - U.S. Social Security Death Index Birth: 5 Sep 1910 State Where Number was Issued: Rhode Island Death: 22 Aug 2002 Manuel SOARES (Jr.) Birth Date: 16 Jul 1905 Death Date: Jan 1971 Social Security Number: 014-07-4124 State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Massachusetts Death Residence Localities ZIP Code: 02721 Localities: Fall River, Bristol, Massachusetts Manuel SOARES (Sr.) Birth Date: 12 Oct 1881 Death Date: Sep 1971 Social Security Number: 026-05-6509 State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Massachusetts Death Residence Localities ZIP Code: 02723 Localities: Fall River, Bristol, Massachusetts Hope this helps... Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 7:24:34 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira Thanks again Pat, My husband John Ernest was born in Texas in 1939. His older sister was born in Cambridge, Ma. in 1929, the other 5 children were born in Texas and Lousiana. the last time they heard from his fathers family they were in New Bedford. I believe one of his uncles Manuel Jr. died in a TB hospital. at least one of them was in the service not sure which one. His dad did not talk of his family much. not sure that he could speak too good in English. He did speak several other languages he learned aboard ships. He died in 1993. Does any of this make sense to you? Thank you for this information maybe we can track down any of his family that is left. Carolyn > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 18:39:23 +0000 > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > Hi Carolyn, > > Here' some additional information... > > Then it's possible that the passport record for a Manuel Soares from Santa Cruz is this one, with a 1911 date. This date is 8 years before the passport dates for Rosa and the children... Though it's possible that Manuel made trips back to Madeira in this 8 yr. time span... > > All his children would have been born by this 1911 date...so it's possible... > > This passport tells us the following: > > (1) Gives us his name, possible year of birth/bapt...he was 32 in 1911 - the names of his parents - that this is his first departure, and that the state civil records listed him as being married. Plus it give us the names of his parents... > > Petitioner Manuel Soares > Spouse > Companion > Kinship > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > Destination USA > Year 1911 > Month Mai > Box 160 > Process Nº 32 > Passport Nº 454 > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) > Age (Petitioner) 31 > Father (Petitioner) António Soares > Mother (Petitioner) Dória da Câmara > Father (Spouse) > Mother (Spouse) > Name of the Children > Comments 1.ª saída. Estado civil: casado. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Manuel (Sr's) Immigration/Travel Information: > > Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943 > > Name: Manuel Soares > > Arrival Date:6 Jun 1911 > > Age:31 > > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 > > Gender:Male > > Ethnic Background:Portuguese > > Port of Departure: S. Michaels, Azores, Portugal (31 May 1911) > > Ship Name:Romanic > > Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts > > Friend's Name:Antonio Fernandes > > Last Residence:Madeira > > Birthplace:Sta Cruz, Madeira > > > S.S. Romanic sailing from S. Michaels (Sao Miguel, Azores) > 31 May 1911. Manuel is listed as passenger # 17 Soares, Manuel-age 31 male/married...able to read (no) or write (no) - Last resident Madeira - Santa Cruz - nearest relative in that country - Wife - Rosa Alves Soares - Final Destination - N.Y. Lincoln Park - staying with a Cousin Antonio Fernandes - 10 Buell Road Lincoln Park, New York, this same address information is also noted for passenger #18 a Madruga, Joao F. age 25 also from Santa Cruz with a wife - in Santa Cruz - Maria Fernandes Madruga. Joao F. Madruga listed the Buell address as that being for his brother Antonio F. Fernandes... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Source: Madeira Regional Archives (online) This document can be ordered from the archives for a fee...or possible to view at a Mormon Family History Center by ordering the film also at a fee...If you're not familiar with this procedure just let us know and we (the list) can walk you through it... > > Manuel (Sr.) parent's marriage record..this document may give you the names of Manuel's grandparents... > > António Soares Dória da Câmara Santa Cruz Year: 1868 Book:2528 > Pg: 8 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Possible Rosa's parent's marriage...(same applies as for Manuel noted above for obtaining copy of this record). > > Manuel Alves Juliana de Freitas Santa Cruz Year: 1863 Book: 2523 Pg: 8 v.º > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > I didn't see any Santa Cruz birth records online...though Rosa's sister's address on the shipping manifest indicated that she lived in Sao Roque...that may be a parish to check out, for other clues as to other relatives... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Where was your husband born? Where was the area that your husband's uncles were last associated with in the 50s.? > > Hope all this helps to further your research... > Pat Silva Corbera > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:03:01 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > > Thats the family...thank you. now we have more to go on. > Joao was my father-in-law. my husband is John E. Soares, we live in Texas. His father came to Lake Charles, La. (about 70 miles from our home) > and met my mother in law there, they married and moved to Boston for a while then back to Texas. No one has heard from Manuel or Antiono since in the 50's. > We believe that Manuel sr. and Rosa went back to Madeira. We appreciate this information . > Thanks again. > Carolyn > > > > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:10:57 +0000 > > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > > > Hi Carolyn, > > > > I do not have a Manuel and/or Rosa Alves Soares in my file... > > > > But I did locate who I think may be this family on immigration/travel search on Ancestry.com. > > > > I'm including that information just in case you do not have it... > > > > Soares, Manuael age 12 (either the age is incorrect or the martial status, because he is listed as male/married)...but there's a notation that he's a son under the age of 16...SS. Roma sailed from Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Azores on Aug 31, 1919 arriving Providence RI on Sept 9, 1919. Relative in Madeira noted as being his mother a Rosa Alves, Santa Cruz, Madeira. Going to join his father a Manuel Soares 3 Liverpool Ave. East Boston, MA > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > On another sailing is a Rosa Alves Soares age 46 sailing with 2 children...Joao 11 and Antonio 9 all born Santa Cruz, Madeira...Relative in Madeira is notes as being "sister," Maria Isabel Alves de Sousa of Muro da Coalha, Sao Roque... > > SS Cretic - sailed from Ponta Delgado, Sao Miguel, Azores on 26th Oct 1919 arrived Port of Bost 11th Nov 1919. > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > ARM Passport: Manuel Soares Júnior > > Spouse > > Companion > > Kinship > > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > > Destination Nova Iorque-USA > > Year 1919 > > Month Ago > > Box 213 > > Process Nº 66 > > Passport Nº 389 > > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 08-10-1905 > > Age (Petitioner) 13 > > Father (Petitioner) Manuel Soares > > Mother (Petitioner) Rosa Alves > > Father (Spouse) > > Mother (Spouse) > > Name of the Children > > Comments 1.ª saída. Estado civil: solteiro. O requerente vai para a companhia de seu pai. > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > ARM - Passport: > > Petitioner Rosa Alves > > Spouse Manuel Soares > > Companion > > Kinship > > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > > Destination Boston-MA-USA > > Year 1919 > > Month Out > > Box 215 > > Process Nº 52 > > Passport Nº 728 a 729 > > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 24-11-1872 > > Age (Petitioner) 47 > > Father (Petitioner) Manuel Alves > > Mother (Petitioner) Juliana de Freitas > > Father (Spouse) António Soares > > Mother (Spouse) Dória da Câmara > > Name of the Children João (11 anos) e António (9 anos) > > Comments 1.ª saída. A requerente e os filhos vão para a companhai de seu marido e pai. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > Pat > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 9:52:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > Pat, > > Not to change the subject, but does anyone know of a family of Manoel and Rosa Alves Soares from Santa Cruz came to US in 1919? > > Thanks cs > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 00:25:11 +0000 > > > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > > > To: luisbeal@yahoo.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > In searching ARM Martinho is there, I didn't see Martino...but not all of Estreito da Calheta vitals have been indexed. Thank you for your input...;-) > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > p.s. Hoping that Zelia Mullins adds to this thread...she's in SA and I'm sure can be very helpful in pointing out the various sources... > > > > > > Plus I vaguely recall another list member that either was researching her Madeira ancestry in SA, or was a professional researcher from SA...but for the life of me I can't remember her name... > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> > > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:06:34 PM > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > Martinho is both a first and a last name. I don't know if it came from Martins but it is a common name in Portugal. > > > > > > > > > Luis Beal > > > > > > "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." > > > Cicero, Roman orator > > > > > > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > > > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:13 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > > >Hi Lou, > > > > > > > >Thank for replying to my post...It was the first time I had seen the surname of Martinho/Martino also... None in my Madeira family...Very good point about a possible connection with the surname of Martin... > > > > > > > >Pat > > > > > > > >Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "deepsea06" <deepsea06@gmail.com> > > > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:35:46 AM > > > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > > >Pat, > > > > Got your message and did see the post on Martinho, however, that is > > > >the first time I have seen that name in that manner....possibly > > > >connected to Martins? > > > >Lou > > > > > > > >On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Greg Martino > > > ><greg.martino@harveyworld.co.za> wrote: > > > >> Got it. Thanks Pat. > > > >> > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > > > >> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera > > > >> Sent: 14 July 2011 09:25 > > > >> To: Prt-Madeira List Group > > > >> Cc: zmullins > > > >> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > >> > > > >> Hi All, > > > >> > > > >> Just "testing," to see if we're still "live," and on-line... > > > >> > > > >> Let me know if you receive this message... > > > >> > > > >> Thank you, > > > >> Pat > > > >> p.s. hopefully you "all," received the posting seeking help for a new member > > > >> Greg Martino (Martinho)...if not, please let me know... ;-) > > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carolyn and Cece, List Members, Cece with the surname of Camara from S. Cruz, Madeira...it's possible that there's a link with your family... Thank you for the additional information supplied in your last posting. You asked if "does this make sense to you," yes it does, but only you can answer what you're truly trying to establish... It may prove difficult in locating the descendants of your husband's uncles (Manuel Jr. & Antonio). >From this point on if you're only interested in locating family members in the USA, then you will need to start with your husband's uncles/aunts looking for death records either on line (using FamilySearch.org - or any of the other source that may be fee based). Post to as many of the online message/boards, or even creating one for the surname Soares if there isn't already one... I did locate a couple that may be Soares family members, but without actually seeing additional records it's not possible to establish if they are your husband's family... Now if your interested in tracing your husband's Portuguese roots in Santa Cruz, Madeira, there are records online (or again through the film service of the Mormon Church) that can be ordered and viewed... The information so far is the following: John Ernest Soares (indexed as Seares) b. 16 Aug 1939 Jefferson, Tx parents John Seares and Ruby Mae Landry...(I'm assuming this is your husband/and his parents...correct me if I'm wrong... John Seares/Soares b. abt 1908 S. Cruz Madeira son of Manuel Soares b.abt 1879 S. Cruz m.1904 S. Cruz to Rosa Alves b. abt 1873 S.Cruz. Manuel Soares(Sr.) son of Antonio Soares and Doria da Camara.(Antonio and Doria married 1868 S. Cruz) Rosa Alves daughter of Manuel Alves and Juliana de Freitas (Manuel and Juliana married 1863 S. Cruz)... These records can be ordered from the Madeira Archives...it's possible that Manuel Alves and Juliana de Freitas' marriage record will name their parents...giving you still another generation of ancestors...If you need help in how to order from the Madeira Archives just let me/us know... These records may also be on film, that can be obtained from your local Mormon Church Family History Centers...Check out their website at - www.familysearch.org for a family history center nearest your home...as well as the film numbers for the Santa Cruz, Madeira parish... And it's possible that other members on this list are researching their ancestors/relatives in the Santa Cruz, Madeira area and can add additional researching sources... Here's some possibilities for additional follow-up to establish if they are related to your husband... John SOARES (Father of your husband) Birth Date: 9 Apr 1908 Death Date: 6 Feb 1993 Social Security Number: 454-10-0032 State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Texas Death Residence Localities ZIP Code: 77662 Localities: Lakeview, Orange, Texas North Vidor, Orange, Texas Pine Forest, Orange, Texas Rose City, Orange, Texas Vidor, Orange, Texas Possible record for Anthony Soares (brother of Joao/John and Manuel Jr.)FamilySearch.org 4. Anthony SOARES - U.S. Social Security Death Index Birth: 12 Jun 1910 State Where Number was Issued: Massachusetts Death: Jan 1971 5. Antonio SOARES - U.S. Social Security Death Index Birth: 5 Sep 1910 State Where Number was Issued: Rhode Island Death: 22 Aug 2002 Manuel SOARES (Jr.) Birth Date: 16 Jul 1905 Death Date: Jan 1971 Social Security Number: 014-07-4124 State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Massachusetts Death Residence Localities ZIP Code: 02721 Localities: Fall River, Bristol, Massachusetts Manuel SOARES (Sr.) Birth Date: 12 Oct 1881 Death Date: Sep 1971 Social Security Number: 026-05-6509 State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Massachusetts Death Residence Localities ZIP Code: 02723 Localities: Fall River, Bristol, Massachusetts Hope this helps... Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 7:24:34 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira Thanks again Pat, My husband John Ernest was born in Texas in 1939. His older sister was born in Cambridge, Ma. in 1929, the other 5 children were born in Texas and Lousiana. the last time they heard from his fathers family they were in New Bedford. I believe one of his uncles Manuel Jr. died in a TB hospital. at least one of them was in the service not sure which one. His dad did not talk of his family much. not sure that he could speak too good in English. He did speak several other languages he learned aboard ships. He died in 1993. Does any of this make sense to you? Thank you for this information maybe we can track down any of his family that is left. Carolyn > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 18:39:23 +0000 > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > Hi Carolyn, > > Here' some additional information... > > Then it's possible that the passport record for a Manuel Soares from Santa Cruz is this one, with a 1911 date. This date is 8 years before the passport dates for Rosa and the children... Though it's possible that Manuel made trips back to Madeira in this 8 yr. time span... > > All his children would have been born by this 1911 date...so it's possible... > > This passport tells us the following: > > (1) Gives us his name, possible year of birth/bapt...he was 32 in 1911 - the names of his parents - that this is his first departure, and that the state civil records listed him as being married. Plus it give us the names of his parents... > > Petitioner Manuel Soares > Spouse > Companion > Kinship > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > Destination USA > Year 1911 > Month Mai > Box 160 > Process Nº 32 > Passport Nº 454 > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) > Age (Petitioner) 31 > Father (Petitioner) António Soares > Mother (Petitioner) Dória da Câmara > Father (Spouse) > Mother (Spouse) > Name of the Children > Comments 1.ª saída. Estado civil: casado. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Manuel (Sr's) Immigration/Travel Information: > > Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943 > > Name: Manuel Soares > > Arrival Date:6 Jun 1911 > > Age:31 > > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 > > Gender:Male > > Ethnic Background:Portuguese > > Port of Departure: S. Michaels, Azores, Portugal (31 May 1911) > > Ship Name:Romanic > > Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts > > Friend's Name:Antonio Fernandes > > Last Residence:Madeira > > Birthplace:Sta Cruz, Madeira > > > S.S. Romanic sailing from S. Michaels (Sao Miguel, Azores) > 31 May 1911. Manuel is listed as passenger # 17 Soares, Manuel-age 31 male/married...able to read (no) or write (no) - Last resident Madeira - Santa Cruz - nearest relative in that country - Wife - Rosa Alves Soares - Final Destination - N.Y. Lincoln Park - staying with a Cousin Antonio Fernandes - 10 Buell Road Lincoln Park, New York, this same address information is also noted for passenger #18 a Madruga, Joao F. age 25 also from Santa Cruz with a wife - in Santa Cruz - Maria Fernandes Madruga. Joao F. Madruga listed the Buell address as that being for his brother Antonio F. Fernandes... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Source: Madeira Regional Archives (online) This document can be ordered from the archives for a fee...or possible to view at a Mormon Family History Center by ordering the film also at a fee...If you're not familiar with this procedure just let us know and we (the list) can walk you through it... > > Manuel (Sr.) parent's marriage record..this document may give you the names of Manuel's grandparents... > > António Soares Dória da Câmara Santa Cruz Year: 1868 Book:2528 > Pg: 8 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Possible Rosa's parent's marriage...(same applies as for Manuel noted above for obtaining copy of this record). > > Manuel Alves Juliana de Freitas Santa Cruz Year: 1863 Book: 2523 Pg: 8 v.º > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > I didn't see any Santa Cruz birth records online...though Rosa's sister's address on the shipping manifest indicated that she lived in Sao Roque...that may be a parish to check out, for other clues as to other relatives... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Where was your husband born? Where was the area that your husband's uncles were last associated with in the 50s.? > > Hope all this helps to further your research... > Pat Silva Corbera > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:03:01 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > > Thats the family...thank you. now we have more to go on. > Joao was my father-in-law. my husband is John E. Soares, we live in Texas. His father came to Lake Charles, La. (about 70 miles from our home) > and met my mother in law there, they married and moved to Boston for a while then back to Texas. No one has heard from Manuel or Antiono since in the 50's. > We believe that Manuel sr. and Rosa went back to Madeira. We appreciate this information . > Thanks again. > Carolyn > > > > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:10:57 +0000 > > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > > > Hi Carolyn, > > > > I do not have a Manuel and/or Rosa Alves Soares in my file... > > > > But I did locate who I think may be this family on immigration/travel search on Ancestry.com. > > > > I'm including that information just in case you do not have it... > > > > Soares, Manuael age 12 (either the age is incorrect or the martial status, because he is listed as male/married)...but there's a notation that he's a son under the age of 16...SS. Roma sailed from Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Azores on Aug 31, 1919 arriving Providence RI on Sept 9, 1919. Relative in Madeira noted as being his mother a Rosa Alves, Santa Cruz, Madeira. Going to join his father a Manuel Soares 3 Liverpool Ave. East Boston, MA > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > On another sailing is a Rosa Alves Soares age 46 sailing with 2 children...Joao 11 and Antonio 9 all born Santa Cruz, Madeira...Relative in Madeira is notes as being "sister," Maria Isabel Alves de Sousa of Muro da Coalha, Sao Roque... > > SS Cretic - sailed from Ponta Delgado, Sao Miguel, Azores on 26th Oct 1919 arrived Port of Bost 11th Nov 1919. > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > ARM Passport: Manuel Soares Júnior > > Spouse > > Companion > > Kinship > > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > > Destination Nova Iorque-USA > > Year 1919 > > Month Ago > > Box 213 > > Process Nº 66 > > Passport Nº 389 > > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 08-10-1905 > > Age (Petitioner) 13 > > Father (Petitioner) Manuel Soares > > Mother (Petitioner) Rosa Alves > > Father (Spouse) > > Mother (Spouse) > > Name of the Children > > Comments 1.ª saída. Estado civil: solteiro. O requerente vai para a companhia de seu pai. > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > ARM - Passport: > > Petitioner Rosa Alves > > Spouse Manuel Soares > > Companion > > Kinship > > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > > Destination Boston-MA-USA > > Year 1919 > > Month Out > > Box 215 > > Process Nº 52 > > Passport Nº 728 a 729 > > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 24-11-1872 > > Age (Petitioner) 47 > > Father (Petitioner) Manuel Alves > > Mother (Petitioner) Juliana de Freitas > > Father (Spouse) António Soares > > Mother (Spouse) Dória da Câmara > > Name of the Children João (11 anos) e António (9 anos) > > Comments 1.ª saída. A requerente e os filhos vão para a companhai de seu marido e pai. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > Pat > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 9:52:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > Pat, > > Not to change the subject, but does anyone know of a family of Manoel and Rosa Alves Soares from Santa Cruz came to US in 1919? > > Thanks cs > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 00:25:11 +0000 > > > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > > > To: luisbeal@yahoo.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > In searching ARM Martinho is there, I didn't see Martino...but not all of Estreito da Calheta vitals have been indexed. Thank you for your input...;-) > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > p.s. Hoping that Zelia Mullins adds to this thread...she's in SA and I'm sure can be very helpful in pointing out the various sources... > > > > > > Plus I vaguely recall another list member that either was researching her Madeira ancestry in SA, or was a professional researcher from SA...but for the life of me I can't remember her name... > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> > > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:06:34 PM > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > Martinho is both a first and a last name. I don't know if it came from Martins but it is a common name in Portugal. > > > > > > > > > Luis Beal > > > > > > "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." > > > Cicero, Roman orator > > > > > > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > > > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:13 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > > >Hi Lou, > > > > > > > >Thank for replying to my post...It was the first time I had seen the surname of Martinho/Martino also... None in my Madeira family...Very good point about a possible connection with the surname of Martin... > > > > > > > >Pat > > > > > > > >Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "deepsea06" <deepsea06@gmail.com> > > > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:35:46 AM > > > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > > >Pat, > > > > Got your message and did see the post on Martinho, however, that is > > > >the first time I have seen that name in that manner....possibly > > > >connected to Martins? > > > >Lou > > > > > > > >On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Greg Martino > > > ><greg.martino@harveyworld.co.za> wrote: > > > >> Got it. Thanks Pat. > > > >> > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > > > >> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera > > > >> Sent: 14 July 2011 09:25 > > > >> To: Prt-Madeira List Group > > > >> Cc: zmullins > > > >> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > >> > > > >> Hi All, > > > >> > > > >> Just "testing," to see if we're still "live," and on-line... > > > >> > > > >> Let me know if you receive this message... > > > >> > > > >> Thank you, > > > >> Pat > > > >> p.s. hopefully you "all," received the posting seeking help for a new member > > > >> Greg Martino (Martinho)...if not, please let me know... ;-) > > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nope, at present I have zero LDS films on loan...been taking a break for awhile :-) -----Original Message----- From: Pat Corbera [mailto:PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 6:59 PM To: cece@soccer4all.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira Cece, Thank you for adding to this thread, hopefully you will link with Carolyn's husband's family. Do you have any LDS films on loan for the Santa Cruz area? Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cece Camara" <cece@soccer4all.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 1:46:08 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira Pat/Carolyn, I've been reading these posts with interest as we do have Camara, Freitas and Alves from Santa Cruz...problem is I've checked my database and so far nothing is a match...may need to go back another couple of generations to find one. I'll keep watching the thread Carolyn. My father was born in Santa Cruz in 1905...problem is our Camara name only goes back 2 generations before my Dad as his grandfather was an orphan given that name (as was common practice at that time). Now my Freitas goes way back...and Alves are current day cousins still living in Santa Cruz (actually Alves Ferro is the full & current name). Cece Soccer 4 All | Lacrosse 4 All Headquarters 1306 FM 1092 ste 105 | Missouri City, TX 77459 tel: 281.499.6665 x-402| fax: 281.499.9199 | email: cece@soccer4all.com -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:29 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira Carolyn and Cece, List Members, Cece with the surname of Camara from S. Cruz, Madeira...it's possible that there's a link with your family... Thank you for the additional information supplied in your last posting. You asked if "does this make sense to you," yes it does, but only you can answer what you're truly trying to establish... It may prove difficult in locating the descendants of your husband's uncles (Manuel Jr. & Antonio). >From this point on if you're only interested in locating family members in the USA, then you will need to start with your husband's uncles/aunts looking for death records either on line (using FamilySearch.org - or any of the other source that may be fee based). Post to as many of the online message/boards, or even creating one for the surname Soares if there isn't already one... I did locate a couple that may be Soares family members, but without actually seeing additional records it's not possible to establish if they are your husband's family... Now if your interested in tracing your husband's Portuguese roots in Santa Cruz, Madeira, there are records online (or again through the film service of the Mormon Church) that can be ordered and viewed... The information so far is the following: John Ernest Soares (indexed as Seares) b. 16 Aug 1939 Jefferson, Tx parents John Seares and Ruby Mae Landry...(I'm assuming this is your husband/and his parents...correct me if I'm wrong... John Seares/Soares b. abt 1908 S. Cruz Madeira son of Manuel Soares b.abt 1879 S. Cruz m.1904 S. Cruz to Rosa Alves b. abt 1873 S.Cruz. Manuel Soares(Sr.) son of Antonio Soares and Doria da Camara.(Antonio and Doria married 1868 S. Cruz) Rosa Alves daughter of Manuel Alves and Juliana de Freitas (Manuel and Juliana married 1863 S. Cruz)... These records can be ordered from the Madeira Archives...it's possible that Manuel Alves and Juliana de Freitas' marriage record will name their parents...giving you still another generation of ancestors...If you need help in how to order from the Madeira Archives just let me/us know... These records may also be on film, that can be obtained from your local Mormon Church Family History Centers...Check out their website at - www.familysearch.org for a family history center nearest your home...as well as the film numbers for the Santa Cruz, Madeira parish... And it's possible that other members on this list are researching their ancestors/relatives in the Santa Cruz, Madeira area and can add additional researching sources... Here's some possibilities for additional follow-up to establish if they are related to your husband... John SOARES (Father of your husband) Birth Date: 9 Apr 1908 Death Date: 6 Feb 1993 Social Security Number: 454-10-0032 State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Texas Death Residence Localities ZIP Code: 77662 Localities: Lakeview, Orange, Texas North Vidor, Orange, Texas Pine Forest, Orange, Texas Rose City, Orange, Texas Vidor, Orange, Texas Possible record for Anthony Soares (brother of Joao/John and Manuel Jr.)FamilySearch.org 4. Anthony SOARES - U.S. Social Security Death Index Birth: 12 Jun 1910 State Where Number was Issued: Massachusetts Death: Jan 1971 5. Antonio SOARES - U.S. Social Security Death Index Birth: 5 Sep 1910 State Where Number was Issued: Rhode Island Death: 22 Aug 2002 Manuel SOARES (Jr.) Birth Date: 16 Jul 1905 Death Date: Jan 1971 Social Security Number: 014-07-4124 State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Massachusetts Death Residence Localities ZIP Code: 02721 Localities: Fall River, Bristol, Massachusetts Manuel SOARES (Sr.) Birth Date: 12 Oct 1881 Death Date: Sep 1971 Social Security Number: 026-05-6509 State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Massachusetts Death Residence Localities ZIP Code: 02723 Localities: Fall River, Bristol, Massachusetts Hope this helps... Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 7:24:34 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira Thanks again Pat, My husband John Ernest was born in Texas in 1939. His older sister was born in Cambridge, Ma. in 1929, the other 5 children were born in Texas and Lousiana. the last time they heard from his fathers family they were in New Bedford. I believe one of his uncles Manuel Jr. died in a TB hospital. at least one of them was in the service not sure which one. His dad did not talk of his family much. not sure that he could speak too good in English. He did speak several other languages he learned aboard ships. He died in 1993. Does any of this make sense to you? Thank you for this information maybe we can track down any of his family that is left. Carolyn > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 18:39:23 +0000 > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > Hi Carolyn, > > Here' some additional information... > > Then it's possible that the passport record for a Manuel Soares from Santa Cruz is this one, with a 1911 date. This date is 8 years before the passport dates for Rosa and the children... Though it's possible that Manuel made trips back to Madeira in this 8 yr. time span... > > All his children would have been born by this 1911 date...so it's possible... > > This passport tells us the following: > > (1) Gives us his name, possible year of birth/bapt...he was 32 in 1911 - the names of his parents - that this is his first departure, and that the state civil records listed him as being married. Plus it give us the names of his parents... > > Petitioner Manuel Soares > Spouse > Companion > Kinship > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > Destination USA > Year 1911 > Month Mai > Box 160 > Process Nº 32 > Passport Nº 454 > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) > Age (Petitioner) 31 > Father (Petitioner) António Soares > Mother (Petitioner) Dória da Câmara > Father (Spouse) > Mother (Spouse) > Name of the Children > Comments 1.ª saída. Estado civil: casado. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Manuel (Sr's) Immigration/Travel Information: > > Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943 > > Name: Manuel Soares > > Arrival Date:6 Jun 1911 > > Age:31 > > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 > > Gender:Male > > Ethnic Background:Portuguese > > Port of Departure: S. Michaels, Azores, Portugal (31 May 1911) > > Ship Name:Romanic > > Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts > > Friend's Name:Antonio Fernandes > > Last Residence:Madeira > > Birthplace:Sta Cruz, Madeira > > > S.S. Romanic sailing from S. Michaels (Sao Miguel, Azores) > 31 May 1911. Manuel is listed as passenger # 17 Soares, Manuel-age 31 male/married...able to read (no) or write (no) - Last resident Madeira - Santa Cruz - nearest relative in that country - Wife - Rosa Alves Soares - Final Destination - N.Y. Lincoln Park - staying with a Cousin Antonio Fernandes - 10 Buell Road Lincoln Park, New York, this same address information is also noted for passenger #18 a Madruga, Joao F. age 25 also from Santa Cruz with a wife - in Santa Cruz - Maria Fernandes Madruga. Joao F. Madruga listed the Buell address as that being for his brother Antonio F. Fernandes... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Source: Madeira Regional Archives (online) This document can be ordered from the archives for a fee...or possible to view at a Mormon Family History Center by ordering the film also at a fee...If you're not familiar with this procedure just let us know and we (the list) can walk you through it... > > Manuel (Sr.) parent's marriage record..this document may give you the names of Manuel's grandparents... > > António Soares Dória da Câmara Santa Cruz Year: 1868 Book:2528 > Pg: 8 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Possible Rosa's parent's marriage...(same applies as for Manuel noted above for obtaining copy of this record). > > Manuel Alves Juliana de Freitas Santa Cruz Year: 1863 Book: 2523 Pg: 8 v.º > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > I didn't see any Santa Cruz birth records online...though Rosa's sister's address on the shipping manifest indicated that she lived in Sao Roque...that may be a parish to check out, for other clues as to other relatives... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Where was your husband born? Where was the area that your husband's uncles were last associated with in the 50s.? > > Hope all this helps to further your research... > Pat Silva Corbera > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:03:01 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > > Thats the family...thank you. now we have more to go on. > Joao was my father-in-law. my husband is John E. Soares, we live in Texas. His father came to Lake Charles, La. (about 70 miles from our home) > and met my mother in law there, they married and moved to Boston for a while then back to Texas. No one has heard from Manuel or Antiono since in the 50's. > We believe that Manuel sr. and Rosa went back to Madeira. We appreciate this information . > Thanks again. > Carolyn > > > > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:10:57 +0000 > > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > > > Hi Carolyn, > > > > I do not have a Manuel and/or Rosa Alves Soares in my file... > > > > But I did locate who I think may be this family on immigration/travel search on Ancestry.com. > > > > I'm including that information just in case you do not have it... > > > > Soares, Manuael age 12 (either the age is incorrect or the martial status, because he is listed as male/married)...but there's a notation that he's a son under the age of 16...SS. Roma sailed from Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Azores on Aug 31, 1919 arriving Providence RI on Sept 9, 1919. Relative in Madeira noted as being his mother a Rosa Alves, Santa Cruz, Madeira. Going to join his father a Manuel Soares 3 Liverpool Ave. East Boston, MA > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > On another sailing is a Rosa Alves Soares age 46 sailing with 2 children...Joao 11 and Antonio 9 all born Santa Cruz, Madeira...Relative in Madeira is notes as being "sister," Maria Isabel Alves de Sousa of Muro da Coalha, Sao Roque... > > SS Cretic - sailed from Ponta Delgado, Sao Miguel, Azores on 26th Oct 1919 arrived Port of Bost 11th Nov 1919. > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > ARM Passport: Manuel Soares Júnior > > Spouse > > Companion > > Kinship > > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > > Destination Nova Iorque-USA > > Year 1919 > > Month Ago > > Box 213 > > Process Nº 66 > > Passport Nº 389 > > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 08-10-1905 > > Age (Petitioner) 13 > > Father (Petitioner) Manuel Soares > > Mother (Petitioner) Rosa Alves > > Father (Spouse) > > Mother (Spouse) > > Name of the Children > > Comments 1.ª saída. Estado civil: solteiro. O requerente vai para a companhia de seu pai. > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > ARM - Passport: > > Petitioner Rosa Alves > > Spouse Manuel Soares > > Companion > > Kinship > > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > > Destination Boston-MA-USA > > Year 1919 > > Month Out > > Box 215 > > Process Nº 52 > > Passport Nº 728 a 729 > > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 24-11-1872 > > Age (Petitioner) 47 > > Father (Petitioner) Manuel Alves > > Mother (Petitioner) Juliana de Freitas > > Father (Spouse) António Soares > > Mother (Spouse) Dória da Câmara > > Name of the Children João (11 anos) e António (9 anos) > > Comments 1.ª saída. A requerente e os filhos vão para a companhai de seu marido e pai. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > Pat > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 9:52:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > Pat, > > Not to change the subject, but does anyone know of a family of Manoel and Rosa Alves Soares from Santa Cruz came to US in 1919? > > Thanks cs > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 00:25:11 +0000 > > > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > > > To: luisbeal@yahoo.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > In searching ARM Martinho is there, I didn't see Martino...but not all of Estreito da Calheta vitals have been indexed. Thank you for your input...;-) > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > p.s. Hoping that Zelia Mullins adds to this thread...she's in SA and I'm sure can be very helpful in pointing out the various sources... > > > > > > Plus I vaguely recall another list member that either was researching her Madeira ancestry in SA, or was a professional researcher from SA...but for the life of me I can't remember her name... > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> > > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:06:34 PM > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > Martinho is both a first and a last name. I don't know if it came from Martins but it is a common name in Portugal. > > > > > > > > > Luis Beal > > > > > > "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." > > > Cicero, Roman orator > > > > > > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > > > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:13 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > > >Hi Lou, > > > > > > > >Thank for replying to my post...It was the first time I had seen the surname of Martinho/Martino also... None in my Madeira family...Very good point about a possible connection with the surname of Martin... > > > > > > > >Pat > > > > > > > >Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "deepsea06" <deepsea06@gmail.com> > > > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:35:46 AM > > > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > > >Pat, > > > > Got your message and did see the post on Martinho, however, that is > > > >the first time I have seen that name in that manner....possibly > > > >connected to Martins? > > > >Lou > > > > > > > >On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Greg Martino > > > ><greg.martino@harveyworld.co.za> wrote: > > > >> Got it. Thanks Pat. > > > >> > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > > > >> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera > > > >> Sent: 14 July 2011 09:25 > > > >> To: Prt-Madeira List Group > > > >> Cc: zmullins > > > >> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > >> > > > >> Hi All, > > > >> > > > >> Just "testing," to see if we're still "live," and on-line... > > > >> > > > >> Let me know if you receive this message... > > > >> > > > >> Thank you, > > > >> Pat > > > >> p.s. hopefully you "all," received the posting seeking help for a new member > > > >> Greg Martino (Martinho)...if not, please let me know... ;-) > > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. 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Pat/Carolyn, I've been reading these posts with interest as we do have Camara, Freitas and Alves from Santa Cruz...problem is I've checked my database and so far nothing is a match...may need to go back another couple of generations to find one. I'll keep watching the thread Carolyn. My father was born in Santa Cruz in 1905...problem is our Camara name only goes back 2 generations before my Dad as his grandfather was an orphan given that name (as was common practice at that time). Now my Freitas goes way back...and Alves are current day cousins still living in Santa Cruz (actually Alves Ferro is the full & current name). Cece Soccer 4 All | Lacrosse 4 All Headquarters 1306 FM 1092 ste 105 | Missouri City, TX 77459 tel: 281.499.6665 x-402| fax: 281.499.9199 | email: cece@soccer4all.com -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:29 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira Carolyn and Cece, List Members, Cece with the surname of Camara from S. Cruz, Madeira...it's possible that there's a link with your family... Thank you for the additional information supplied in your last posting. You asked if "does this make sense to you," yes it does, but only you can answer what you're truly trying to establish... It may prove difficult in locating the descendants of your husband's uncles (Manuel Jr. & Antonio). >From this point on if you're only interested in locating family members in the USA, then you will need to start with your husband's uncles/aunts looking for death records either on line (using FamilySearch.org - or any of the other source that may be fee based). Post to as many of the online message/boards, or even creating one for the surname Soares if there isn't already one... I did locate a couple that may be Soares family members, but without actually seeing additional records it's not possible to establish if they are your husband's family... Now if your interested in tracing your husband's Portuguese roots in Santa Cruz, Madeira, there are records online (or again through the film service of the Mormon Church) that can be ordered and viewed... The information so far is the following: John Ernest Soares (indexed as Seares) b. 16 Aug 1939 Jefferson, Tx parents John Seares and Ruby Mae Landry...(I'm assuming this is your husband/and his parents...correct me if I'm wrong... John Seares/Soares b. abt 1908 S. Cruz Madeira son of Manuel Soares b.abt 1879 S. Cruz m.1904 S. Cruz to Rosa Alves b. abt 1873 S.Cruz. Manuel Soares(Sr.) son of Antonio Soares and Doria da Camara.(Antonio and Doria married 1868 S. Cruz) Rosa Alves daughter of Manuel Alves and Juliana de Freitas (Manuel and Juliana married 1863 S. Cruz)... These records can be ordered from the Madeira Archives...it's possible that Manuel Alves and Juliana de Freitas' marriage record will name their parents...giving you still another generation of ancestors...If you need help in how to order from the Madeira Archives just let me/us know... These records may also be on film, that can be obtained from your local Mormon Church Family History Centers...Check out their website at - www.familysearch.org for a family history center nearest your home...as well as the film numbers for the Santa Cruz, Madeira parish... And it's possible that other members on this list are researching their ancestors/relatives in the Santa Cruz, Madeira area and can add additional researching sources... Here's some possibilities for additional follow-up to establish if they are related to your husband... John SOARES (Father of your husband) Birth Date: 9 Apr 1908 Death Date: 6 Feb 1993 Social Security Number: 454-10-0032 State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Texas Death Residence Localities ZIP Code: 77662 Localities: Lakeview, Orange, Texas North Vidor, Orange, Texas Pine Forest, Orange, Texas Rose City, Orange, Texas Vidor, Orange, Texas Possible record for Anthony Soares (brother of Joao/John and Manuel Jr.)FamilySearch.org 4. Anthony SOARES - U.S. Social Security Death Index Birth: 12 Jun 1910 State Where Number was Issued: Massachusetts Death: Jan 1971 5. Antonio SOARES - U.S. Social Security Death Index Birth: 5 Sep 1910 State Where Number was Issued: Rhode Island Death: 22 Aug 2002 Manuel SOARES (Jr.) Birth Date: 16 Jul 1905 Death Date: Jan 1971 Social Security Number: 014-07-4124 State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Massachusetts Death Residence Localities ZIP Code: 02721 Localities: Fall River, Bristol, Massachusetts Manuel SOARES (Sr.) Birth Date: 12 Oct 1881 Death Date: Sep 1971 Social Security Number: 026-05-6509 State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Massachusetts Death Residence Localities ZIP Code: 02723 Localities: Fall River, Bristol, Massachusetts Hope this helps... Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 7:24:34 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira Thanks again Pat, My husband John Ernest was born in Texas in 1939. His older sister was born in Cambridge, Ma. in 1929, the other 5 children were born in Texas and Lousiana. the last time they heard from his fathers family they were in New Bedford. I believe one of his uncles Manuel Jr. died in a TB hospital. at least one of them was in the service not sure which one. His dad did not talk of his family much. not sure that he could speak too good in English. He did speak several other languages he learned aboard ships. He died in 1993. Does any of this make sense to you? Thank you for this information maybe we can track down any of his family that is left. Carolyn > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 18:39:23 +0000 > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > Hi Carolyn, > > Here' some additional information... > > Then it's possible that the passport record for a Manuel Soares from Santa Cruz is this one, with a 1911 date. This date is 8 years before the passport dates for Rosa and the children... Though it's possible that Manuel made trips back to Madeira in this 8 yr. time span... > > All his children would have been born by this 1911 date...so it's possible... > > This passport tells us the following: > > (1) Gives us his name, possible year of birth/bapt...he was 32 in 1911 - the names of his parents - that this is his first departure, and that the state civil records listed him as being married. Plus it give us the names of his parents... > > Petitioner Manuel Soares > Spouse > Companion > Kinship > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > Destination USA > Year 1911 > Month Mai > Box 160 > Process Nº 32 > Passport Nº 454 > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) > Age (Petitioner) 31 > Father (Petitioner) António Soares > Mother (Petitioner) Dória da Câmara > Father (Spouse) > Mother (Spouse) > Name of the Children > Comments 1.ª saída. Estado civil: casado. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Manuel (Sr's) Immigration/Travel Information: > > Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943 > > Name: Manuel Soares > > Arrival Date:6 Jun 1911 > > Age:31 > > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 > > Gender:Male > > Ethnic Background:Portuguese > > Port of Departure: S. Michaels, Azores, Portugal (31 May 1911) > > Ship Name:Romanic > > Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts > > Friend's Name:Antonio Fernandes > > Last Residence:Madeira > > Birthplace:Sta Cruz, Madeira > > > S.S. Romanic sailing from S. Michaels (Sao Miguel, Azores) > 31 May 1911. Manuel is listed as passenger # 17 Soares, Manuel-age 31 male/married...able to read (no) or write (no) - Last resident Madeira - Santa Cruz - nearest relative in that country - Wife - Rosa Alves Soares - Final Destination - N.Y. Lincoln Park - staying with a Cousin Antonio Fernandes - 10 Buell Road Lincoln Park, New York, this same address information is also noted for passenger #18 a Madruga, Joao F. age 25 also from Santa Cruz with a wife - in Santa Cruz - Maria Fernandes Madruga. Joao F. Madruga listed the Buell address as that being for his brother Antonio F. Fernandes... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Source: Madeira Regional Archives (online) This document can be ordered from the archives for a fee...or possible to view at a Mormon Family History Center by ordering the film also at a fee...If you're not familiar with this procedure just let us know and we (the list) can walk you through it... > > Manuel (Sr.) parent's marriage record..this document may give you the names of Manuel's grandparents... > > António Soares Dória da Câmara Santa Cruz Year: 1868 Book:2528 > Pg: 8 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Possible Rosa's parent's marriage...(same applies as for Manuel noted above for obtaining copy of this record). > > Manuel Alves Juliana de Freitas Santa Cruz Year: 1863 Book: 2523 Pg: 8 v.º > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > I didn't see any Santa Cruz birth records online...though Rosa's sister's address on the shipping manifest indicated that she lived in Sao Roque...that may be a parish to check out, for other clues as to other relatives... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Where was your husband born? Where was the area that your husband's uncles were last associated with in the 50s.? > > Hope all this helps to further your research... > Pat Silva Corbera > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:03:01 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > > Thats the family...thank you. now we have more to go on. > Joao was my father-in-law. my husband is John E. Soares, we live in Texas. His father came to Lake Charles, La. (about 70 miles from our home) > and met my mother in law there, they married and moved to Boston for a while then back to Texas. No one has heard from Manuel or Antiono since in the 50's. > We believe that Manuel sr. and Rosa went back to Madeira. We appreciate this information . > Thanks again. > Carolyn > > > > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:10:57 +0000 > > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > > > Hi Carolyn, > > > > I do not have a Manuel and/or Rosa Alves Soares in my file... > > > > But I did locate who I think may be this family on immigration/travel search on Ancestry.com. > > > > I'm including that information just in case you do not have it... > > > > Soares, Manuael age 12 (either the age is incorrect or the martial status, because he is listed as male/married)...but there's a notation that he's a son under the age of 16...SS. Roma sailed from Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Azores on Aug 31, 1919 arriving Providence RI on Sept 9, 1919. Relative in Madeira noted as being his mother a Rosa Alves, Santa Cruz, Madeira. Going to join his father a Manuel Soares 3 Liverpool Ave. East Boston, MA > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > On another sailing is a Rosa Alves Soares age 46 sailing with 2 children...Joao 11 and Antonio 9 all born Santa Cruz, Madeira...Relative in Madeira is notes as being "sister," Maria Isabel Alves de Sousa of Muro da Coalha, Sao Roque... > > SS Cretic - sailed from Ponta Delgado, Sao Miguel, Azores on 26th Oct 1919 arrived Port of Bost 11th Nov 1919. > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > ARM Passport: Manuel Soares Júnior > > Spouse > > Companion > > Kinship > > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > > Destination Nova Iorque-USA > > Year 1919 > > Month Ago > > Box 213 > > Process Nº 66 > > Passport Nº 389 > > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 08-10-1905 > > Age (Petitioner) 13 > > Father (Petitioner) Manuel Soares > > Mother (Petitioner) Rosa Alves > > Father (Spouse) > > Mother (Spouse) > > Name of the Children > > Comments 1.ª saída. Estado civil: solteiro. O requerente vai para a companhia de seu pai. > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > ARM - Passport: > > Petitioner Rosa Alves > > Spouse Manuel Soares > > Companion > > Kinship > > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > > Destination Boston-MA-USA > > Year 1919 > > Month Out > > Box 215 > > Process Nº 52 > > Passport Nº 728 a 729 > > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 24-11-1872 > > Age (Petitioner) 47 > > Father (Petitioner) Manuel Alves > > Mother (Petitioner) Juliana de Freitas > > Father (Spouse) António Soares > > Mother (Spouse) Dória da Câmara > > Name of the Children João (11 anos) e António (9 anos) > > Comments 1.ª saída. A requerente e os filhos vão para a companhai de seu marido e pai. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > Pat > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 9:52:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > Pat, > > Not to change the subject, but does anyone know of a family of Manoel and Rosa Alves Soares from Santa Cruz came to US in 1919? > > Thanks cs > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 00:25:11 +0000 > > > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > > > To: luisbeal@yahoo.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > In searching ARM Martinho is there, I didn't see Martino...but not all of Estreito da Calheta vitals have been indexed. Thank you for your input...;-) > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > p.s. Hoping that Zelia Mullins adds to this thread...she's in SA and I'm sure can be very helpful in pointing out the various sources... > > > > > > Plus I vaguely recall another list member that either was researching her Madeira ancestry in SA, or was a professional researcher from SA...but for the life of me I can't remember her name... > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> > > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:06:34 PM > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > Martinho is both a first and a last name. I don't know if it came from Martins but it is a common name in Portugal. > > > > > > > > > Luis Beal > > > > > > "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." > > > Cicero, Roman orator > > > > > > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > > > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:13 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > > >Hi Lou, > > > > > > > >Thank for replying to my post...It was the first time I had seen the surname of Martinho/Martino also... None in my Madeira family...Very good point about a possible connection with the surname of Martin... > > > > > > > >Pat > > > > > > > >Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "deepsea06" <deepsea06@gmail.com> > > > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:35:46 AM > > > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > > >Pat, > > > > Got your message and did see the post on Martinho, however, that is > > > >the first time I have seen that name in that manner....possibly > > > >connected to Martins? > > > >Lou > > > > > > > >On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Greg Martino > > > ><greg.martino@harveyworld.co.za> wrote: > > > >> Got it. Thanks Pat. > > > >> > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > > > >> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera > > > >> Sent: 14 July 2011 09:25 > > > >> To: Prt-Madeira List Group > > > >> Cc: zmullins > > > >> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > >> > > > >> Hi All, > > > >> > > > >> Just "testing," to see if we're still "live," and on-line... > > > >> > > > >> Let me know if you receive this message... > > > >> > > > >> Thank you, > > > >> Pat > > > >> p.s. hopefully you "all," received the posting seeking help for a new member > > > >> Greg Martino (Martinho)...if not, please let me know... ;-) > > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks again Pat, My husband John Ernest was born in Texas in 1939. His older sister was born in Cambridge, Ma. in 1929, the other 5 children were born in Texas and Lousiana. the last time they heard from his fathers family they were in New Bedford. I believe one of his uncles Manuel Jr. died in a TB hospital. at least one of them was in the service not sure which one. His dad did not talk of his family much. not sure that he could speak too good in English. He did speak several other languages he learned aboard ships. He died in 1993. Does any of this make sense to you? Thank you for this information maybe we can track down any of his family that is left. Carolyn > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 18:39:23 +0000 > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > Hi Carolyn, > > Here' some additional information... > > Then it's possible that the passport record for a Manuel Soares from Santa Cruz is this one, with a 1911 date. This date is 8 years before the passport dates for Rosa and the children... Though it's possible that Manuel made trips back to Madeira in this 8 yr. time span... > > All his children would have been born by this 1911 date...so it's possible... > > This passport tells us the following: > > (1) Gives us his name, possible year of birth/bapt...he was 32 in 1911 - the names of his parents - that this is his first departure, and that the state civil records listed him as being married. Plus it give us the names of his parents... > > Petitioner Manuel Soares > Spouse > Companion > Kinship > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > Destination USA > Year 1911 > Month Mai > Box 160 > Process Nº 32 > Passport Nº 454 > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) > Age (Petitioner) 31 > Father (Petitioner) António Soares > Mother (Petitioner) Dória da Câmara > Father (Spouse) > Mother (Spouse) > Name of the Children > Comments 1.ª saída. Estado civil: casado. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Manuel (Sr's) Immigration/Travel Information: > > Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943 > > Name: Manuel Soares > > Arrival Date:6 Jun 1911 > > Age:31 > > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 > > Gender:Male > > Ethnic Background:Portuguese > > Port of Departure: S. Michaels, Azores, Portugal (31 May 1911) > > Ship Name:Romanic > > Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts > > Friend's Name:Antonio Fernandes > > Last Residence:Madeira > > Birthplace:Sta Cruz, Madeira > > > S.S. Romanic sailing from S. Michaels (Sao Miguel, Azores) > 31 May 1911. Manuel is listed as passenger # 17 Soares, Manuel-age 31 male/married...able to read (no) or write (no) - Last resident Madeira - Santa Cruz - nearest relative in that country - Wife - Rosa Alves Soares - Final Destination - N.Y. Lincoln Park - staying with a Cousin Antonio Fernandes - 10 Buell Road Lincoln Park, New York, this same address information is also noted for passenger #18 a Madruga, Joao F. age 25 also from Santa Cruz with a wife - in Santa Cruz - Maria Fernandes Madruga. Joao F. Madruga listed the Buell address as that being for his brother Antonio F. Fernandes... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Source: Madeira Regional Archives (online) This document can be ordered from the archives for a fee...or possible to view at a Mormon Family History Center by ordering the film also at a fee...If you're not familiar with this procedure just let us know and we (the list) can walk you through it... > > Manuel (Sr.) parent's marriage record..this document may give you the names of Manuel's grandparents... > > António Soares Dória da Câmara Santa Cruz Year: 1868 Book:2528 > Pg: 8 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Possible Rosa's parent's marriage...(same applies as for Manuel noted above for obtaining copy of this record). > > Manuel Alves Juliana de Freitas Santa Cruz Year: 1863 Book: 2523 Pg: 8 v.º > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > I didn't see any Santa Cruz birth records online...though Rosa's sister's address on the shipping manifest indicated that she lived in Sao Roque...that may be a parish to check out, for other clues as to other relatives... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Where was your husband born? Where was the area that your husband's uncles were last associated with in the 50s.? > > Hope all this helps to further your research... > Pat Silva Corbera > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:03:01 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > > Thats the family...thank you. now we have more to go on. > Joao was my father-in-law. my husband is John E. Soares, we live in Texas. His father came to Lake Charles, La. (about 70 miles from our home) > and met my mother in law there, they married and moved to Boston for a while then back to Texas. No one has heard from Manuel or Antiono since in the 50's. > We believe that Manuel sr. and Rosa went back to Madeira. We appreciate this information . > Thanks again. > Carolyn > > > > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:10:57 +0000 > > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > > > Hi Carolyn, > > > > I do not have a Manuel and/or Rosa Alves Soares in my file... > > > > But I did locate who I think may be this family on immigration/travel search on Ancestry.com. > > > > I'm including that information just in case you do not have it... > > > > Soares, Manuael age 12 (either the age is incorrect or the martial status, because he is listed as male/married)...but there's a notation that he's a son under the age of 16...SS. Roma sailed from Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Azores on Aug 31, 1919 arriving Providence RI on Sept 9, 1919. Relative in Madeira noted as being his mother a Rosa Alves, Santa Cruz, Madeira. Going to join his father a Manuel Soares 3 Liverpool Ave. East Boston, MA > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > On another sailing is a Rosa Alves Soares age 46 sailing with 2 children...Joao 11 and Antonio 9 all born Santa Cruz, Madeira...Relative in Madeira is notes as being "sister," Maria Isabel Alves de Sousa of Muro da Coalha, Sao Roque... > > SS Cretic - sailed from Ponta Delgado, Sao Miguel, Azores on 26th Oct 1919 arrived Port of Bost 11th Nov 1919. > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > ARM Passport: Manuel Soares Júnior > > Spouse > > Companion > > Kinship > > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > > Destination Nova Iorque-USA > > Year 1919 > > Month Ago > > Box 213 > > Process Nº 66 > > Passport Nº 389 > > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 08-10-1905 > > Age (Petitioner) 13 > > Father (Petitioner) Manuel Soares > > Mother (Petitioner) Rosa Alves > > Father (Spouse) > > Mother (Spouse) > > Name of the Children > > Comments 1.ª saída. Estado civil: solteiro. O requerente vai para a companhia de seu pai. > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > ARM - Passport: > > Petitioner Rosa Alves > > Spouse Manuel Soares > > Companion > > Kinship > > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > > Destination Boston-MA-USA > > Year 1919 > > Month Out > > Box 215 > > Process Nº 52 > > Passport Nº 728 a 729 > > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 24-11-1872 > > Age (Petitioner) 47 > > Father (Petitioner) Manuel Alves > > Mother (Petitioner) Juliana de Freitas > > Father (Spouse) António Soares > > Mother (Spouse) Dória da Câmara > > Name of the Children João (11 anos) e António (9 anos) > > Comments 1.ª saída. A requerente e os filhos vão para a companhai de seu marido e pai. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > Pat > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 9:52:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > Pat, > > Not to change the subject, but does anyone know of a family of Manoel and Rosa Alves Soares from Santa Cruz came to US in 1919? > > Thanks cs > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 00:25:11 +0000 > > > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > > > To: luisbeal@yahoo.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > In searching ARM Martinho is there, I didn't see Martino...but not all of Estreito da Calheta vitals have been indexed. Thank you for your input...;-) > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > p.s. Hoping that Zelia Mullins adds to this thread...she's in SA and I'm sure can be very helpful in pointing out the various sources... > > > > > > Plus I vaguely recall another list member that either was researching her Madeira ancestry in SA, or was a professional researcher from SA...but for the life of me I can't remember her name... > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> > > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:06:34 PM > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > Martinho is both a first and a last name. I don't know if it came from Martins but it is a common name in Portugal. > > > > > > > > > Luis Beal > > > > > > "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." > > > Cicero, Roman orator > > > > > > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > > > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:13 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > > >Hi Lou, > > > > > > > >Thank for replying to my post...It was the first time I had seen the surname of Martinho/Martino also... None in my Madeira family...Very good point about a possible connection with the surname of Martin... > > > > > > > >Pat > > > > > > > >Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "deepsea06" <deepsea06@gmail.com> > > > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:35:46 AM > > > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > > >Pat, > > > > Got your message and did see the post on Martinho, however, that is > > > >the first time I have seen that name in that manner....possibly > > > >connected to Martins? > > > >Lou > > > > > > > >On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Greg Martino > > > ><greg.martino@harveyworld.co.za> wrote: > > > >> Got it. Thanks Pat. > > > >> > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > > > >> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera > > > >> Sent: 14 July 2011 09:25 > > > >> To: Prt-Madeira List Group > > > >> Cc: zmullins > > > >> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > >> > > > >> Hi All, > > > >> > > > >> Just "testing," to see if we're still "live," and on-line... > > > >> > > > >> Let me know if you receive this message... > > > >> > > > >> Thank you, > > > >> Pat > > > >> p.s. hopefully you "all," received the posting seeking help for a new member > > > >> Greg Martino (Martinho)...if not, please let me know... ;-) > > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Primo Miguel For now it's just a "labor of love." Hugs, Prima Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 5:24:22 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira Hi Prima Pat, It seems it's about time for you to turn into a professional genealogist ; -) There are some more in this list who can perfectly consider opening a new business...at least as a part-time (rewarded) activity. Cheers! Miguel On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 7:39 PM, Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>wrote: > Hi Carolyn, > > Here' some additional information... > > Then it's possible that the passport record for a Manuel Soares from Santa > Cruz is this one, with a 1911 date. This date is 8 years before the > passport dates for Rosa and the children... Though it's possible that Manuel > made trips back to Madeira in this 8 yr. time span... > > All his children would have been born by this 1911 date...so it's > possible... > > This passport tells us the following: > > (1) Gives us his name, possible year of birth/bapt...he was 32 in 1911 - > the names of his parents - that this is his first departure, and that the > state civil records listed him as being married. Plus it give us the names > of his parents... > > Petitioner Manuel Soares > Spouse > Companion > Kinship > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > Destination USA > Year 1911 > Month Mai > Box 160 > Process Nº 32 > Passport Nº 454 > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) > Age (Petitioner) 31 > Father (Petitioner) António Soares > Mother (Petitioner) Dória da Câmara > Father (Spouse) > Mother (Spouse) > Name of the Children > Comments 1.ª saída. Estado civil: casado. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Manuel (Sr's) Immigration/Travel Information: > > Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943 > > Name: Manuel Soares > > Arrival Date:6 Jun 1911 > > Age:31 > > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 > > Gender:Male > > Ethnic Background:Portuguese > > Port of Departure: S. Michaels, Azores, Portugal (31 May 1911) > > Ship Name:Romanic > > Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts > > Friend's Name:Antonio Fernandes > > Last Residence:Madeira > > Birthplace:Sta Cruz, Madeira > > > S.S. Romanic sailing from S. Michaels (Sao Miguel, Azores) > 31 May 1911. Manuel is listed as passenger # 17 Soares, Manuel-age 31 > male/married...able to read (no) or write (no) - Last resident Madeira - > Santa Cruz - nearest relative in that country - Wife - Rosa Alves Soares - > Final Destination - N.Y. Lincoln Park - staying with a Cousin Antonio > Fernandes - 10 Buell Road Lincoln Park, New York, this same address > information is also noted for passenger #18 a Madruga, Joao F. age 25 also > from Santa Cruz with a wife - in Santa Cruz - Maria Fernandes Madruga. Joao > F. Madruga listed the Buell address as that being for his brother Antonio F. > Fernandes... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Source: Madeira Regional Archives (online) This document can be ordered > from the archives for a fee...or possible to view at a Mormon Family History > Center by ordering the film also at a fee...If you're not familiar with this > procedure just let us know and we (the list) can walk you through it... > > Manuel (Sr.) parent's marriage record..this document may give you the names > of Manuel's grandparents... > > António Soares Dória da Câmara Santa Cruz Year: 1868 Book:2528 > Pg: 8 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Possible Rosa's parent's marriage...(same applies as for Manuel noted above > for obtaining copy of this record). > > Manuel Alves Juliana de Freitas Santa Cruz Year: 1863 Book: 2523 Pg: 8 > v.º > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > I didn't see any Santa Cruz birth records online...though Rosa's sister's > address on the shipping manifest indicated that she lived in Sao > Roque...that may be a parish to check out, for other clues as to other > relatives... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Where was your husband born? Where was the area that your husband's uncles > were last associated with in the 50s.? > > Hope all this helps to further your research... > Pat Silva Corbera > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:03:01 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > > Thats the family...thank you. now we have more to go on. > Joao was my father-in-law. my husband is John E. Soares, we live in Texas. > His father came to Lake Charles, La. (about 70 miles from our home) > and met my mother in law there, they married and moved to Boston for a > while then back to Texas. No one has heard from Manuel or Antiono since in > the 50's. > We believe that Manuel sr. and Rosa went back to Madeira. We appreciate > this information . > Thanks again. > Carolyn > > > > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:10:57 +0000 > > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > > > Hi Carolyn, > > > > I do not have a Manuel and/or Rosa Alves Soares in my file... > > > > But I did locate who I think may be this family on immigration/travel > search on Ancestry.com. > > > > I'm including that information just in case you do not have it... > > > > Soares, Manuael age 12 (either the age is incorrect or the martial > status, because he is listed as male/married)...but there's a notation that > he's a son under the age of 16...SS. Roma sailed from Ponta Delgada, Sao > Miguel, Azores on Aug 31, 1919 arriving Providence RI on Sept 9, 1919. > Relative in Madeira noted as being his mother a Rosa Alves, Santa Cruz, > Madeira. Going to join his father a Manuel Soares 3 Liverpool Ave. East > Boston, MA > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > On another sailing is a Rosa Alves Soares age 46 sailing with 2 > children...Joao 11 and Antonio 9 all born Santa Cruz, Madeira...Relative in > Madeira is notes as being "sister," Maria Isabel Alves de Sousa of Muro da > Coalha, Sao Roque... > > SS Cretic - sailed from Ponta Delgado, Sao Miguel, Azores on 26th Oct > 1919 arrived Port of Bost 11th Nov 1919. > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > ARM Passport: Manuel Soares Júnior > > Spouse > > Companion > > Kinship > > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > > Destination Nova Iorque-USA > > Year 1919 > > Month Ago > > Box 213 > > Process Nº 66 > > Passport Nº 389 > > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 08-10-1905 > > Age (Petitioner) 13 > > Father (Petitioner) Manuel Soares > > Mother (Petitioner) Rosa Alves > > Father (Spouse) > > Mother (Spouse) > > Name of the Children > > Comments 1.ª saída. Estado civil: solteiro. O requerente vai para a > companhia de seu pai. > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > ARM - Passport: > > Petitioner Rosa Alves > > Spouse Manuel Soares > > Companion > > Kinship > > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > > Destination Boston-MA-USA > > Year 1919 > > Month Out > > Box 215 > > Process Nº 52 > > Passport Nº 728 a 729 > > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 24-11-1872 > > Age (Petitioner) 47 > > Father (Petitioner) Manuel Alves > > Mother (Petitioner) Juliana de Freitas > > Father (Spouse) António Soares > > Mother (Spouse) Dória da Câmara > > Name of the Children João (11 anos) e António (9 anos) > > Comments 1.ª saída. A requerente e os filhos vão para a companhai de seu > marido e pai. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > Pat > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 9:52:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > Pat, > > Not to change the subject, but does anyone know of a family of Manoel and > Rosa Alves Soares from Santa Cruz came to US in 1919? > > Thanks cs > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 00:25:11 +0000 > > > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > > > To: luisbeal@yahoo.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > In searching ARM Martinho is there, I didn't see Martino...but not all > of Estreito da Calheta vitals have been indexed. Thank you for your > input...;-) > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > p.s. Hoping that Zelia Mullins adds to this thread...she's in SA and > I'm sure can be very helpful in pointing out the various sources... > > > > > > Plus I vaguely recall another list member that either was researching > her Madeira ancestry in SA, or was a professional researcher from SA...but > for the life of me I can't remember her name... > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> > > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:06:34 PM > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > Martinho is both a first and a last name. I don't know if it came from > Martins but it is a common name in Portugal. > > > > > > > > > Luis Beal > > > > > > "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually > a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the > life of our ancestors." > > > Cicero, Roman orator > > > > > > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > > > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:13 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > > >Hi Lou, > > > > > > > >Thank for replying to my post...It was the first time I had seen the > surname of Martinho/Martino also... None in my Madeira family...Very good > point about a possible connection with the surname of Martin... > > > > > > > >Pat > > > > > > > >Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "deepsea06" <deepsea06@gmail.com> > > > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:35:46 AM > > > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > > >Pat, > > > > Got your message and did see the post on Martinho, however, that is > > > >the first time I have seen that name in that manner....possibly > > > >connected to Martins? > > > >Lou > > > > > > > >On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Greg Martino > > > ><greg.martino@harveyworld.co.za> wrote: > > > >> Got it. Thanks Pat. > > > >> > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > > > >> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera > > > >> Sent: 14 July 2011 09:25 > > > >> To: Prt-Madeira List Group > > > >> Cc: zmullins > > > >> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing

Hi Prima Pat, It seems it's about time for you to turn into a professional genealogist ; -) There are some more in this list who can perfectly consider opening a new business...at least as a part-time (rewarded) activity. Cheers! Miguel On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 7:39 PM, Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>wrote: > Hi Carolyn, > > Here' some additional information... > > Then it's possible that the passport record for a Manuel Soares from Santa > Cruz is this one, with a 1911 date. This date is 8 years before the > passport dates for Rosa and the children... Though it's possible that Manuel > made trips back to Madeira in this 8 yr. time span... > > All his children would have been born by this 1911 date...so it's > possible... > > This passport tells us the following: > > (1) Gives us his name, possible year of birth/bapt...he was 32 in 1911 - > the names of his parents - that this is his first departure, and that the > state civil records listed him as being married. Plus it give us the names > of his parents... > > Petitioner Manuel Soares > Spouse > Companion > Kinship > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > Destination USA > Year 1911 > Month Mai > Box 160 > Process Nº 32 > Passport Nº 454 > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) > Age (Petitioner) 31 > Father (Petitioner) António Soares > Mother (Petitioner) Dória da Câmara > Father (Spouse) > Mother (Spouse) > Name of the Children > Comments 1.ª saída. Estado civil: casado. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Manuel (Sr's) Immigration/Travel Information: > > Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943 > > Name: Manuel Soares > > Arrival Date:6 Jun 1911 > > Age:31 > > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 > > Gender:Male > > Ethnic Background:Portuguese > > Port of Departure: S. Michaels, Azores, Portugal (31 May 1911) > > Ship Name:Romanic > > Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts > > Friend's Name:Antonio Fernandes > > Last Residence:Madeira > > Birthplace:Sta Cruz, Madeira > > > S.S. Romanic sailing from S. Michaels (Sao Miguel, Azores) > 31 May 1911. Manuel is listed as passenger # 17 Soares, Manuel-age 31 > male/married...able to read (no) or write (no) - Last resident Madeira - > Santa Cruz - nearest relative in that country - Wife - Rosa Alves Soares - > Final Destination - N.Y. Lincoln Park - staying with a Cousin Antonio > Fernandes - 10 Buell Road Lincoln Park, New York, this same address > information is also noted for passenger #18 a Madruga, Joao F. age 25 also > from Santa Cruz with a wife - in Santa Cruz - Maria Fernandes Madruga. Joao > F. Madruga listed the Buell address as that being for his brother Antonio F. > Fernandes... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Source: Madeira Regional Archives (online) This document can be ordered > from the archives for a fee...or possible to view at a Mormon Family History > Center by ordering the film also at a fee...If you're not familiar with this > procedure just let us know and we (the list) can walk you through it... > > Manuel (Sr.) parent's marriage record..this document may give you the names > of Manuel's grandparents... > > António Soares Dória da Câmara Santa Cruz Year: 1868 Book:2528 > Pg: 8 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Possible Rosa's parent's marriage...(same applies as for Manuel noted above > for obtaining copy of this record). > > Manuel Alves Juliana de Freitas Santa Cruz Year: 1863 Book: 2523 Pg: 8 > v.º > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > I didn't see any Santa Cruz birth records online...though Rosa's sister's > address on the shipping manifest indicated that she lived in Sao > Roque...that may be a parish to check out, for other clues as to other > relatives... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Where was your husband born? Where was the area that your husband's uncles > were last associated with in the 50s.? > > Hope all this helps to further your research... > Pat Silva Corbera > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:03:01 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > > Thats the family...thank you. now we have more to go on. > Joao was my father-in-law. my husband is John E. Soares, we live in Texas. > His father came to Lake Charles, La. (about 70 miles from our home) > and met my mother in law there, they married and moved to Boston for a > while then back to Texas. No one has heard from Manuel or Antiono since in > the 50's. > We believe that Manuel sr. and Rosa went back to Madeira. We appreciate > this information . > Thanks again. > Carolyn > > > > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:10:57 +0000 > > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > > > Hi Carolyn, > > > > I do not have a Manuel and/or Rosa Alves Soares in my file... > > > > But I did locate who I think may be this family on immigration/travel > search on Ancestry.com. > > > > I'm including that information just in case you do not have it... > > > > Soares, Manuael age 12 (either the age is incorrect or the martial > status, because he is listed as male/married)...but there's a notation that > he's a son under the age of 16...SS. Roma sailed from Ponta Delgada, Sao > Miguel, Azores on Aug 31, 1919 arriving Providence RI on Sept 9, 1919. > Relative in Madeira noted as being his mother a Rosa Alves, Santa Cruz, > Madeira. Going to join his father a Manuel Soares 3 Liverpool Ave. East > Boston, MA > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > On another sailing is a Rosa Alves Soares age 46 sailing with 2 > children...Joao 11 and Antonio 9 all born Santa Cruz, Madeira...Relative in > Madeira is notes as being "sister," Maria Isabel Alves de Sousa of Muro da > Coalha, Sao Roque... > > SS Cretic - sailed from Ponta Delgado, Sao Miguel, Azores on 26th Oct > 1919 arrived Port of Bost 11th Nov 1919. > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > ARM Passport: Manuel Soares Júnior > > Spouse > > Companion > > Kinship > > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > > Destination Nova Iorque-USA > > Year 1919 > > Month Ago > > Box 213 > > Process Nº 66 > > Passport Nº 389 > > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 08-10-1905 > > Age (Petitioner) 13 > > Father (Petitioner) Manuel Soares > > Mother (Petitioner) Rosa Alves > > Father (Spouse) > > Mother (Spouse) > > Name of the Children > > Comments 1.ª saída. Estado civil: solteiro. O requerente vai para a > companhia de seu pai. > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > ARM - Passport: > > Petitioner Rosa Alves > > Spouse Manuel Soares > > Companion > > Kinship > > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > > Destination Boston-MA-USA > > Year 1919 > > Month Out > > Box 215 > > Process Nº 52 > > Passport Nº 728 a 729 > > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 24-11-1872 > > Age (Petitioner) 47 > > Father (Petitioner) Manuel Alves > > Mother (Petitioner) Juliana de Freitas > > Father (Spouse) António Soares > > Mother (Spouse) Dória da Câmara > > Name of the Children João (11 anos) e António (9 anos) > > Comments 1.ª saída. A requerente e os filhos vão para a companhai de seu > marido e pai. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > Pat > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 9:52:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > Pat, > > Not to change the subject, but does anyone know of a family of Manoel and > Rosa Alves Soares from Santa Cruz came to US in 1919? > > Thanks cs > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 00:25:11 +0000 > > > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > > > To: luisbeal@yahoo.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > In searching ARM Martinho is there, I didn't see Martino...but not all > of Estreito da Calheta vitals have been indexed. Thank you for your > input...;-) > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > p.s. Hoping that Zelia Mullins adds to this thread...she's in SA and > I'm sure can be very helpful in pointing out the various sources... > > > > > > Plus I vaguely recall another list member that either was researching > her Madeira ancestry in SA, or was a professional researcher from SA...but > for the life of me I can't remember her name... > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> > > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:06:34 PM > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > Martinho is both a first and a last name. I don't know if it came from > Martins but it is a common name in Portugal. > > > > > > > > > Luis Beal > > > > > > "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually > a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the > life of our ancestors." > > > Cicero, Roman orator > > > > > > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > > > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:13 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > > >Hi Lou, > > > > > > > >Thank for replying to my post...It was the first time I had seen the > surname of Martinho/Martino also... None in my Madeira family...Very good > point about a possible connection with the surname of Martin... > > > > > > > >Pat > > > > > > > >Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "deepsea06" <deepsea06@gmail.com> > > > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:35:46 AM > > > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > > >Pat, > > > > Got your message and did see the post on Martinho, however, that is > > > >the first time I have seen that name in that manner....possibly > > > >connected to Martins? > > > >Lou > > > > > > > >On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Greg Martino > > > ><greg.martino@harveyworld.co.za> wrote: > > > >> Got it. Thanks Pat. > > > >> > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > > > >> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera > > > >> Sent: 14 July 2011 09:25 > > > >> To: Prt-Madeira List Group > > > >> Cc: zmullins > > > >> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > >> > > > >> Hi All, > > > >> > > > >> Just "testing," to see if we're still "live," and on-line... > > > >> > > > >> Let me know if you receive this message... > > > >> > > > >> Thank you, > > > >> Pat > > > >> p.s. hopefully you "all," received the posting seeking help for a > new member > > > >> Greg Martino (Martinho)...if not, please let me know... ;-) > > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Pat, My husband was born in Texas. Last he heard they were in New Bedford,Ma. Johns older sister was born in Cambridge,Ma. around 1929. The rest were born in Lousiana and Texas. Johns dad was a longshoreman. He worked on boats/ships until the 50's. > Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 03:37:20 +0000 > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > Primo Miguel > > For now it's just a "labor of love." > > Hugs, > Prima Pat > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Miguel de Castro Henriques" <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 5:24:22 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > Hi Prima Pat, > > It seems it's about time for you to turn into a professional genealogist ; > -) > > There are some more in this list who can perfectly consider opening a new > business...at least as a part-time (rewarded) activity. > > Cheers! > > Miguel > > On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 7:39 PM, Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net>wrote: > > > Hi Carolyn, > > > > Here' some additional information... > > > > Then it's possible that the passport record for a Manuel Soares from Santa > > Cruz is this one, with a 1911 date. This date is 8 years before the > > passport dates for Rosa and the children... Though it's possible that Manuel > > made trips back to Madeira in this 8 yr. time span... > > > > All his children would have been born by this 1911 date...so it's > > possible... > > > > This passport tells us the following: > > > > (1) Gives us his name, possible year of birth/bapt...he was 32 in 1911 - > > the names of his parents - that this is his first departure, and that the > > state civil records listed him as being married. Plus it give us the names > > of his parents... > > > > Petitioner Manuel Soares > > Spouse > > Companion > > Kinship > > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > > Destination USA > > Year 1911 > > Month Mai > > Box 160 > > Process Nº 32 > > Passport Nº 454 > > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) > > Age (Petitioner) 31 > > Father (Petitioner) António Soares > > Mother (Petitioner) Dória da Câmara > > Father (Spouse) > > Mother (Spouse) > > Name of the Children > > Comments 1.ª saída. Estado civil: casado. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Manuel (Sr's) Immigration/Travel Information: > > > > Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943 > > > > Name: Manuel Soares > > > > Arrival Date:6 Jun 1911 > > > > Age:31 > > > > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 > > > > Gender:Male > > > > Ethnic Background:Portuguese > > > > Port of Departure: S. Michaels, Azores, Portugal (31 May 1911) > > > > Ship Name:Romanic > > > > Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts > > > > Friend's Name:Antonio Fernandes > > > > Last Residence:Madeira > > > > Birthplace:Sta Cruz, Madeira > > > > > > S.S. Romanic sailing from S. Michaels (Sao Miguel, Azores) > > 31 May 1911. Manuel is listed as passenger # 17 Soares, Manuel-age 31 > > male/married...able to read (no) or write (no) - Last resident Madeira - > > Santa Cruz - nearest relative in that country - Wife - Rosa Alves Soares - > > Final Destination - N.Y. Lincoln Park - staying with a Cousin Antonio > > Fernandes - 10 Buell Road Lincoln Park, New York, this same address > > information is also noted for passenger #18 a Madruga, Joao F. age 25 also > > from Santa Cruz with a wife - in Santa Cruz - Maria Fernandes Madruga. Joao > > F. Madruga listed the Buell address as that being for his brother Antonio F. > > Fernandes... > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Source: Madeira Regional Archives (online) This document can be ordered > > from the archives for a fee...or possible to view at a Mormon Family History > > Center by ordering the film also at a fee...If you're not familiar with this > > procedure just let us know and we (the list) can walk you through it... > > > > Manuel (Sr.) parent's marriage record..this document may give you the names > > of Manuel's grandparents... > > > > António Soares Dória da Câmara Santa Cruz Year: 1868 Book:2528 > > Pg: 8 > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Possible Rosa's parent's marriage...(same applies as for Manuel noted above > > for obtaining copy of this record). > > > > Manuel Alves Juliana de Freitas Santa Cruz Year: 1863 Book: 2523 Pg: 8 > > v.º > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > I didn't see any Santa Cruz birth records online...though Rosa's sister's > > address on the shipping manifest indicated that she lived in Sao > > Roque...that may be a parish to check out, for other clues as to other > > relatives... > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Where was your husband born? Where was the area that your husband's uncles > > were last associated with in the 50s.? > > > > Hope all this helps to further your research... > > Pat Silva Corbera > > > > > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:03:01 AM > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > > > > > Thats the family...thank you. now we have more to go on. > > Joao was my father-in-law. my husband is John E. Soares, we live in Texas. > > His father came to Lake Charles, La. (about 70 miles from our home) > > and met my mother in law there, they married and moved to Boston for a > > while then back to Texas. No one has heard from Manuel or Antiono since in > > the 50's. > > We believe that Manuel sr. and Rosa went back to Madeira. We appreciate > > this information . > > Thanks again. > > Carolyn > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:10:57 +0000 > > > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > > > > > Hi Carolyn, > > > > > > I do not have a Manuel and/or Rosa Alves Soares in my file... > > > > > > But I did locate who I think may be this family on immigration/travel > > search on Ancestry.com. > > > > > > I'm including that information just in case you do not have it... > > > > > > Soares, Manuael age 12 (either the age is incorrect or the martial > > status, because he is listed as male/married)...but there's a notation that > > he's a son under the age of 16...SS. Roma sailed from Ponta Delgada, Sao > > Miguel, Azores on Aug 31, 1919 arriving Providence RI on Sept 9, 1919. > > Relative in Madeira noted as being his mother a Rosa Alves, Santa Cruz, > > Madeira. Going to join his father a Manuel Soares 3 Liverpool Ave. East > > Boston, MA > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > > On another sailing is a Rosa Alves Soares age 46 sailing with 2 > > children...Joao 11 and Antonio 9 all born Santa Cruz, Madeira...Relative in > > Madeira is notes as being "sister," Maria Isabel Alves de Sousa of Muro da > > Coalha, Sao Roque... > > > SS Cretic - sailed from Ponta Delgado, Sao Miguel, Azores on 26th Oct > > 1919 arrived Port of Bost 11th Nov 1919. > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > > ARM Passport: Manuel Soares Júnior > > > Spouse > > > Companion > > > Kinship > > > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > > > Destination Nova Iorque-USA > > > Year 1919 > > > Month Ago > > > Box 213 > > > Process Nº 66 > > > Passport Nº 389 > > > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 08-10-1905 > > > Age (Petitioner) 13 > > > Father (Petitioner) Manuel Soares > > > Mother (Petitioner) Rosa Alves > > > Father (Spouse) > > > Mother (Spouse) > > > Name of the Children > > > Comments 1.ª saída. Estado civil: solteiro. O requerente vai para a > > companhia de seu pai. > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > > ARM - Passport: > > > Petitioner Rosa Alves > > > Spouse Manuel Soares > > > Companion > > > Kinship > > > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > > > Destination Boston-MA-USA > > > Year 1919 > > > Month Out > > > Box 215 > > > Process Nº 52 > > > Passport Nº 728 a 729 > > > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 24-11-1872 > > > Age (Petitioner) 47 > > > Father (Petitioner) Manuel Alves > > > Mother (Petitioner) Juliana de Freitas > > > Father (Spouse) António Soares > > > Mother (Spouse) Dória da Câmara > > > Name of the Children João (11 anos) e António (9 anos) > > > Comments 1.ª saída. A requerente e os filhos vão para a companhai de seu > > marido e pai. > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > > Pat > > > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> > > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 9:52:39 PM > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > > > > Pat, > > > Not to change the subject, but does anyone know of a family of Manoel and > > Rosa Alves Soares from Santa Cruz came to US in 1919? > > > Thanks cs > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 00:25:11 +0000 > > > > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > > > > To: luisbeal@yahoo.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > > > In searching ARM Martinho is there, I didn't see Martino...but not all > > of Estreito da Calheta vitals have been indexed. Thank you for your > > input...;-) > > > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > p.s. Hoping that Zelia Mullins adds to this thread...she's in SA and > > I'm sure can be very helpful in pointing out the various sources... > > > > > > > > Plus I vaguely recall another list member that either was researching > > her Madeira ancestry in SA, or was a professional researcher from SA...but > > for the life of me I can't remember her name... > > > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> > > > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:06:34 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > > > Martinho is both a first and a last name. I don't know if it came from > > Martins but it is a common name in Portugal. > > > > > > > > > > > > Luis Beal > > > > > > > > "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually > > a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the > > life of our ancestors." > > > > Cicero, Roman orator > > > > > > > > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > > > > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:13 PM > > > > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > > > > >Hi Lou, > > > > > > > > > >Thank for replying to my post...It was the first time I had seen the > > surname of Martinho/Martino also... None in my Madeira family...Very good > > point about a possible connection with the surname of Martin... > > > > > > > > > >Pat > > > > > > > > > >Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "deepsea06" <deepsea06@gmail.com> > > > > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:35:46 AM > > > > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > > > > > >Pat, > > > > > Got your message and did see the post on Martinho, however, that is > > > > >the first time I have seen that name in that manner....possibly > > > > >connected to Martins? > > > > >Lou > > > > > > > > > >On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Greg Martino > > > > ><greg.martino@harveyworld.co.za> wrote: > > > > >> Got it. Thanks Pat. > > > > >> > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > > >> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > > > > >> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera > > > > >> Sent: 14 July 2011 09:25 > > > > >> To: Prt-Madeira List Group > > > > >> Cc: zmullins > > > > >> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Carolyn, Here' some additional information... Then it's possible that the passport record for a Manuel Soares from Santa Cruz is this one, with a 1911 date. This date is 8 years before the passport dates for Rosa and the children... Though it's possible that Manuel made trips back to Madeira in this 8 yr. time span... All his children would have been born by this 1911 date...so it's possible... This passport tells us the following: (1) Gives us his name, possible year of birth/bapt...he was 32 in 1911 - the names of his parents - that this is his first departure, and that the state civil records listed him as being married. Plus it give us the names of his parents... Petitioner Manuel Soares Spouse Companion Kinship Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM Destination USA Year 1911 Month Mai Box 160 Process Nº 32 Passport Nº 454 Date of Baptism (Petitioner) Age (Petitioner) 31 Father (Petitioner) António Soares Mother (Petitioner) Dória da Câmara Father (Spouse) Mother (Spouse) Name of the Children Comments 1.ª saída. Estado civil: casado. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Manuel (Sr's) Immigration/Travel Information: Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943 Name: Manuel Soares Arrival Date:6 Jun 1911 Age:31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Gender:Male Ethnic Background:Portuguese Port of Departure: S. Michaels, Azores, Portugal (31 May 1911) Ship Name:Romanic Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts Friend's Name:Antonio Fernandes Last Residence:Madeira Birthplace:Sta Cruz, Madeira S.S. Romanic sailing from S. Michaels (Sao Miguel, Azores) 31 May 1911. Manuel is listed as passenger # 17 Soares, Manuel-age 31 male/married...able to read (no) or write (no) - Last resident Madeira - Santa Cruz - nearest relative in that country - Wife - Rosa Alves Soares - Final Destination - N.Y. Lincoln Park - staying with a Cousin Antonio Fernandes - 10 Buell Road Lincoln Park, New York, this same address information is also noted for passenger #18 a Madruga, Joao F. age 25 also from Santa Cruz with a wife - in Santa Cruz - Maria Fernandes Madruga. Joao F. Madruga listed the Buell address as that being for his brother Antonio F. Fernandes... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Source: Madeira Regional Archives (online) This document can be ordered from the archives for a fee...or possible to view at a Mormon Family History Center by ordering the film also at a fee...If you're not familiar with this procedure just let us know and we (the list) can walk you through it... Manuel (Sr.) parent's marriage record..this document may give you the names of Manuel's grandparents... António Soares Dória da Câmara Santa Cruz Year: 1868 Book:2528 Pg: 8 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Possible Rosa's parent's marriage...(same applies as for Manuel noted above for obtaining copy of this record). Manuel Alves Juliana de Freitas Santa Cruz Year: 1863 Book: 2523 Pg: 8 v.º ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I didn't see any Santa Cruz birth records online...though Rosa's sister's address on the shipping manifest indicated that she lived in Sao Roque...that may be a parish to check out, for other clues as to other relatives... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Where was your husband born? Where was the area that your husband's uncles were last associated with in the 50s.? Hope all this helps to further your research... Pat Silva Corbera Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:03:01 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira Thats the family...thank you. now we have more to go on. Joao was my father-in-law. my husband is John E. Soares, we live in Texas. His father came to Lake Charles, La. (about 70 miles from our home) and met my mother in law there, they married and moved to Boston for a while then back to Texas. No one has heard from Manuel or Antiono since in the 50's. We believe that Manuel sr. and Rosa went back to Madeira. We appreciate this information . Thanks again. Carolyn > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:10:57 +0000 > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > Hi Carolyn, > > I do not have a Manuel and/or Rosa Alves Soares in my file... > > But I did locate who I think may be this family on immigration/travel search on Ancestry.com. > > I'm including that information just in case you do not have it... > > Soares, Manuael age 12 (either the age is incorrect or the martial status, because he is listed as male/married)...but there's a notation that he's a son under the age of 16...SS. Roma sailed from Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Azores on Aug 31, 1919 arriving Providence RI on Sept 9, 1919. Relative in Madeira noted as being his mother a Rosa Alves, Santa Cruz, Madeira. Going to join his father a Manuel Soares 3 Liverpool Ave. East Boston, MA > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > On another sailing is a Rosa Alves Soares age 46 sailing with 2 children...Joao 11 and Antonio 9 all born Santa Cruz, Madeira...Relative in Madeira is notes as being "sister," Maria Isabel Alves de Sousa of Muro da Coalha, Sao Roque... > SS Cretic - sailed from Ponta Delgado, Sao Miguel, Azores on 26th Oct 1919 arrived Port of Bost 11th Nov 1919. > ~~~~~~~~~~ > ARM Passport: Manuel Soares Júnior > Spouse > Companion > Kinship > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > Destination Nova Iorque-USA > Year 1919 > Month Ago > Box 213 > Process Nº 66 > Passport Nº 389 > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 08-10-1905 > Age (Petitioner) 13 > Father (Petitioner) Manuel Soares > Mother (Petitioner) Rosa Alves > Father (Spouse) > Mother (Spouse) > Name of the Children > Comments 1.ª saída. Estado civil: solteiro. O requerente vai para a companhia de seu pai. > ~~~~~~~~~~ > ARM - Passport: > Petitioner Rosa Alves > Spouse Manuel Soares > Companion > Kinship > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > Destination Boston-MA-USA > Year 1919 > Month Out > Box 215 > Process Nº 52 > Passport Nº 728 a 729 > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 24-11-1872 > Age (Petitioner) 47 > Father (Petitioner) Manuel Alves > Mother (Petitioner) Juliana de Freitas > Father (Spouse) António Soares > Mother (Spouse) Dória da Câmara > Name of the Children João (11 anos) e António (9 anos) > Comments 1.ª saída. A requerente e os filhos vão para a companhai de seu marido e pai. > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > Pat > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 9:52:39 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > Pat, > Not to change the subject, but does anyone know of a family of Manoel and Rosa Alves Soares from Santa Cruz came to US in 1919? > Thanks cs > > > > Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 00:25:11 +0000 > > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > > To: luisbeal@yahoo.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > In searching ARM Martinho is there, I didn't see Martino...but not all of Estreito da Calheta vitals have been indexed. Thank you for your input...;-) > > > > Pat > > > > p.s. Hoping that Zelia Mullins adds to this thread...she's in SA and I'm sure can be very helpful in pointing out the various sources... > > > > Plus I vaguely recall another list member that either was researching her Madeira ancestry in SA, or was a professional researcher from SA...but for the life of me I can't remember her name... > > > > Pat > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:06:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > Martinho is both a first and a last name. I don't know if it came from Martins but it is a common name in Portugal. > > > > > > Luis Beal > > > > "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." > > Cicero, Roman orator > > > > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:13 PM > > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > >Hi Lou, > > > > > >Thank for replying to my post...It was the first time I had seen the surname of Martinho/Martino also... None in my Madeira family...Very good point about a possible connection with the surname of Martin... > > > > > >Pat > > > > > >Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "deepsea06" <deepsea06@gmail.com> > > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:35:46 AM > > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > >Pat, > > > Got your message and did see the post on Martinho, however, that is > > >the first time I have seen that name in that manner....possibly > > >connected to Martins? > > >Lou > > > > > >On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Greg Martino > > ><greg.martino@harveyworld.co.za> wrote: > > >> Got it. Thanks Pat. > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > > >> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera > > >> Sent: 14 July 2011 09:25 > > >> To: Prt-Madeira List Group > > >> Cc: zmullins > > >> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > >> > > >> Hi All, > > >> > > >> Just "testing," to see if we're still "live," and on-line... > > >> > > >> Let me know if you receive this message... > > >> > > >> Thank you, > > >> Pat > > >> p.s. hopefully you "all," received the posting seeking help for a new member > > >> Greg Martino (Martinho)...if not, please let me know... ;-) > > >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good luck Greg. Janette On 18-Jul-11, at 12:02 AM, Greg Martino wrote: > Hi Pat > > I took your's and Jeanettes advice. Thanks. I sent Anne a mail on > Friday. > Hoping to hear from her soon > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera > Sent: 15 July 2011 21:02 > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/South Africa/Martinho/Martino > > Janette and Greg, > > Janette this is a wonderful website that you pointed out... > > Greg I would suggest contacting Anne, her email address is noted on > the > website that Janette refers to in her posting below... > > Pat > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janette Chun" <janettechun@shaw.ca> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 3:35:07 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/South Africa/Martinho/Martino > > > Hi Pat, > > There are quite a few listings for genealogy help for South Africa, > however, if it's a case of obtaining records and help navigating the > system, I would definitely recommend having someone based in SA to do > it. Anne has contributed various articles to numerous genealogical > sites and also has her own site/blog at > http://southafricanresearcher.blogspot.com/2010/04/early-portuguese-settlers > -in-south.html > > The name Martins is listed on the site as one of the early Madeiran > settlers. I'm not sure of Greg's dates, perhaps it predates his > ancestors, but worth a look. > > Thanks, > Janette > > > > > > > > > On 15-Jul-11, at 12:45 AM, Pat Corbera wrote: > >> >> I located an email from Anne Lehmkuhl to the list...She provided a >> listing of Borrageiro individuals in South Africa. >> >> Tomorrow I'll send her an email, requesting source information for >> researching in SA, along with requesting her fee structure for her >> services. Hopefully she will help get us started, without a fee, >> like she did with the Borrageiro listing... to be continued... >> >> This is the logo/signature on the Borrageiro listing post that she >> provided, back in 2007. >> >> "Anne Lehmkuhl >> Professional researcher specializing in South African historical & >> genealogical research. Over 20 years experience, helping clients >> world-wide finding people - dead or alive." >> >> Pat >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Thats the family...thank you. now we have more to go on. Joao was my father-in-law. my husband is John E. Soares, we live in Texas. His father came to Lake Charles, La. (about 70 miles from our home) and met my mother in law there, they married and moved to Boston for a while then back to Texas. No one has heard from Manuel or Antiono since in the 50's. We believe that Manuel sr. and Rosa went back to Madeira. We appreciate this information . Thanks again. Carolyn > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:10:57 +0000 > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/ Alves Soares/ Santa Cruz, Madeira > > Hi Carolyn, > > I do not have a Manuel and/or Rosa Alves Soares in my file... > > But I did locate who I think may be this family on immigration/travel search on Ancestry.com. > > I'm including that information just in case you do not have it... > > Soares, Manuael age 12 (either the age is incorrect or the martial status, because he is listed as male/married)...but there's a notation that he's a son under the age of 16...SS. Roma sailed from Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Azores on Aug 31, 1919 arriving Providence RI on Sept 9, 1919. Relative in Madeira noted as being his mother a Rosa Alves, Santa Cruz, Madeira. Going to join his father a Manuel Soares 3 Liverpool Ave. East Boston, MA > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > On another sailing is a Rosa Alves Soares age 46 sailing with 2 children...Joao 11 and Antonio 9 all born Santa Cruz, Madeira...Relative in Madeira is notes as being "sister," Maria Isabel Alves de Sousa of Muro da Coalha, Sao Roque... > SS Cretic - sailed from Ponta Delgado, Sao Miguel, Azores on 26th Oct 1919 arrived Port of Bost 11th Nov 1919. > ~~~~~~~~~~ > ARM Passport: Manuel Soares Júnior > Spouse > Companion > Kinship > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > Destination Nova Iorque-USA > Year 1919 > Month Ago > Box 213 > Process Nº 66 > Passport Nº 389 > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 08-10-1905 > Age (Petitioner) 13 > Father (Petitioner) Manuel Soares > Mother (Petitioner) Rosa Alves > Father (Spouse) > Mother (Spouse) > Name of the Children > Comments 1.ª saída. Estado civil: solteiro. O requerente vai para a companhia de seu pai. > ~~~~~~~~~~ > ARM - Passport: > Petitioner Rosa Alves > Spouse Manuel Soares > Companion > Kinship > Parish/Country Santa Cruz-RAM > Destination Boston-MA-USA > Year 1919 > Month Out > Box 215 > Process Nº 52 > Passport Nº 728 a 729 > Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 24-11-1872 > Age (Petitioner) 47 > Father (Petitioner) Manuel Alves > Mother (Petitioner) Juliana de Freitas > Father (Spouse) António Soares > Mother (Spouse) Dória da Câmara > Name of the Children João (11 anos) e António (9 anos) > Comments 1.ª saída. A requerente e os filhos vão para a companhai de seu marido e pai. > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > Pat > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carolyn S." <cscs59@hotmail.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 9:52:39 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > Pat, > Not to change the subject, but does anyone know of a family of Manoel and Rosa Alves Soares from Santa Cruz came to US in 1919? > Thanks cs > > > > Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 00:25:11 +0000 > > From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net > > To: luisbeal@yahoo.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > In searching ARM Martinho is there, I didn't see Martino...but not all of Estreito da Calheta vitals have been indexed. Thank you for your input...;-) > > > > Pat > > > > p.s. Hoping that Zelia Mullins adds to this thread...she's in SA and I'm sure can be very helpful in pointing out the various sources... > > > > Plus I vaguely recall another list member that either was researching her Madeira ancestry in SA, or was a professional researcher from SA...but for the life of me I can't remember her name... > > > > Pat > > > > Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> > > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:06:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > Martinho is both a first and a last name. I don't know if it came from Martins but it is a common name in Portugal. > > > > > > Luis Beal > > > > "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." > > Cicero, Roman orator > > > > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:13 PM > > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > >Hi Lou, > > > > > >Thank for replying to my post...It was the first time I had seen the surname of Martinho/Martino also... None in my Madeira family...Very good point about a possible connection with the surname of Martin... > > > > > >Pat > > > > > >Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "deepsea06" <deepsea06@gmail.com> > > >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > > >Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:35:46 AM > > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > > > > >Pat, > > > Got your message and did see the post on Martinho, however, that is > > >the first time I have seen that name in that manner....possibly > > >connected to Martins? > > >Lou > > > > > >On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Greg Martino > > ><greg.martino@harveyworld.co.za> wrote: > > >> Got it. Thanks Pat. > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > > >> [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera > > >> Sent: 14 July 2011 09:25 > > >> To: Prt-Madeira List Group > > >> Cc: zmullins > > >> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing > > >> > > >> Hi All, > > >> > > >> Just "testing," to see if we're still "live," and on-line... > > >> > > >> Let me know if you receive this message... > > >> > > >> Thank you, > > >> Pat > > >> p.s. hopefully you "all," received the posting seeking help for a new member > > >> Greg Martino (Martinho)...if not, please let me know... ;-) > > >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pat I took your's and Jeanettes advice. Thanks. I sent Anne a mail on Friday. Hoping to hear from her soon -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Corbera Sent: 15 July 2011 21:02 To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/South Africa/Martinho/Martino Janette and Greg, Janette this is a wonderful website that you pointed out... Greg I would suggest contacting Anne, her email address is noted on the website that Janette refers to in her posting below... Pat Life Is A Journey...Not A Guided Tour ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janette Chun" <janettechun@shaw.ca> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 3:35:07 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Testing/South Africa/Martinho/Martino Hi Pat, There are quite a few listings for genealogy help for South Africa, however, if it's a case of obtaining records and help navigating the system, I would definitely recommend having someone based in SA to do it. Anne has contributed various articles to numerous genealogical sites and also has her own site/blog at http://southafricanresearcher.blogspot.com/2010/04/early-portuguese-settlers -in-south.html The name Martins is listed on the site as one of the early Madeiran settlers. I'm not sure of Greg's dates, perhaps it predates his ancestors, but worth a look. Thanks, Janette On 15-Jul-11, at 12:45 AM, Pat Corbera wrote: > > I located an email from Anne Lehmkuhl to the list...She provided a > listing of Borrageiro individuals in South Africa. > > Tomorrow I'll send her an email, requesting source information for > researching in SA, along with requesting her fee structure for her > services. Hopefully she will help get us started, without a fee, > like she did with the Borrageiro listing... to be continued... > > This is the logo/signature on the Borrageiro listing post that she > provided, back in 2007. > > "Anne Lehmkuhl > Professional researcher specializing in South African historical & > genealogical research. Over 20 years experience, helping clients > world-wide finding people - dead or alive." > > Pat > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message