I suspect you haven't received an answer. You don't say if you speak Portuguese. That might help. I am not sure where the birth certificates are kept for Porto Moniz. It could there or in the Conservatory in Ponta do Sol or even in Funchal. I am also assuming that you are not close to a Portuguese Consulate. If you find one close by they should be able to get to you on this. Anyway, you could always send an e-mail in English to geral@portomoniz.pt requesting that info. Let us know if that works. José Fernandes ________________________________ From: Have a nice day <jwerx1@yahoo.com> To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 4:38:12 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] birth certificate How can i obtain my birth certificate in Porto Moniz where i was born. I now live in the US. thank you ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

How can i obtain my birth certificate in Porto Moniz where i was born. I now live in the US. thank you

Rich, The results depend on the type of DNA test you take. Y-DNA: In addition to a list of matches, your results include a string of numbers. 13-24-11-17-20-18-11-11-12 (if you order a 37 marker, then you have 37 numbers). This string of numbers is compared against every male in the FTDNA database. The people you match are listed in your matches section. mtDNA: In addition to the list of matches, your results include the differences from the Cambridge Reference Sequence (CRS). You get results like 519C, 315.1C, 272T, etc. Those differences are compared to everyone (male or female) who took an mtDNA and those people appear in your matches section. Family Finder: This one is more tricky. You can download the raw data for all 22 pairs of chromosomes and look at it. It's A LOT of data. It has to do with the 4 DNA bases of adenine, guanine, cytocene, and thimine. (Doubt if I spelled them right). At a particular location, you could have AC (A for adenine from one parent and C for cytocene from the other parent). Unless you are into phasing your data, this stuff is completely mindboggling. You'd go to your matches section and see who you match and at what level. The more total centoMorgans (cM - a genetic unit of measure) as well as the longest block will let you you know the strength of that match. Yes, it will find only people who have taken a DNA test and are in the database. Yes, it will find the ancestors of those who have taken the test. Most of the DNA used in these genealogy DNA tests are the "junk" DNA areas. They don't really serve a purpose except to tell about the past. Guess that keeps anthropologists busy. Gedcoms: I try to get people to upload their Gedcoms. I think a lot of people are afraid of them, since you can't see them. Not without re-importing them. I tell people to make a Gedcom, then to make a new family, project, or file and call it "Test" and import that Gedcom into the family you call Test. Then you can see what you've created with your Gedcom and you'll see what the person on the other end will be receiving. I've got a handout and I've developed a lecture (I've only spoken on it once) and I would guess that about 85% of genealogist won't create one. But I keep trying to get the people in my projects to make their Gedcom and upload it to their DNA page. Most people who have tested with FTDNA do participate and correspond. A few don't. It's still a newer tool, so some people are unsure of the results or what they mean. Rich, I'm in California and I have free long distance to America and Canada. I can call you and grant you access to my mom's and dad's pages and you can see what you're getting into. Email your phone number directly to gfscherim at gmail dot com and some good days and times to call. Cheri Mello Family Tree DNA Administrator

Hi Leandro, Actually, you didn't screw up. You may have tested a DNA line that doesn't meet your current goal, but it may meet a future one! Your maternal grandfather: You could take Family Finder yourself which covers all your lines back to your 2 greats with 90% accuracy. It's just not a straight shot there. But it does cover your maternal grandfather. If you want a straight shot there, and since that grandfather had no brothers, he may have had uncles or male cousins from that direct line. You find one of their descendants and get that guy to test and then you have a straight path to that grandfather's line. In tracing your dad's side (where you have no idea) will take longer. The matches you are receiving aren't going to be meaningful for a while. So you are stuck in the "wait-and-see" mode. That's really annoying. Although I know where my dad's dad's line is from and have a paper trail, he has no matches at 37 markers. I've been playing wait-and-see on his line for the last 5 years. But you tested and your DNA is banked for a minimum of 25 years. Something is bound to happen within that time and if you ever needed to upgrade, your DNA is there. Cheri Mello Family Tree DNA Admin On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 1:14 AM, leandro deoliveira <gregobhte1@aol.com>wrote: > Hi Cheri.... > > Even with my 2 kits that i have, i think i screwed up big time :( > > Im trying to find out my maternal grandfather line. The thing is that i > dont have uncles, my grand dad is dead and he only had sisters that all > died already as well. > > so when i took both tests i was thinking that somehow it would be traced > at least in one of them...but reading now your emails i can see that is > only tracing my dads side of the family, in which i have no idea where they > really come from > > leandro > > > > > On 23 Nov 2011, at 18:06, Cheri Mello wrote: > > > Hi Betty, > > > > DNA for genealogy has been on the market for about 10 or 11 years now, > but > > it probably took about 5 years to get the word out and to get people to > > understand it. Or somewhat understand it, I should say. > > > > For a half-Portuguese man and his results: > > It depends on which test he takes. If his surname is Portuguese (or a > > variation/Anglicized version) and he takes a Y-DNA test, then he will be > > tracing father's father's father's line. He will get a list of matches > > with their email addresses. I encourage people to upload their Gedcoms > > (from their genealogy software program) so the matches can see their > line. > > My dad is half Portuguese on his paternal side. Since his surname is > > Mello, the Y-DNA test is tracing his father's father's line (back to that > > Jacome guy). My dad get a list of matches, but they were at the 25 > marker > > level, which means their common ancestor was probably a thousand years > > ago. A bit too far back for my genealogy. I did not expect my dad to > get > > a genealogy-relevant match on his Y-DNA though. That's because the > Azores > > are 9 islands. Even though my dad's family comes from the largest of > the 9 > > islands, not enough people have yet test from that island, let alone that > > freguesia. I would think that once more men from Madeira test their > Y-DNA, > > they would be getting matches much, much sooner. > > > > Now, for a half-Portuguese (or a quarter or even less), he could take > > Family Finder. That test has been on the market now for about 1.5 years. > > I tested my dad's DNA a year ago, and things are starting to fall into > > place. I think he had maybe 5 or 6 pages of matches (so 50 or 60 > people). > > Now he has 10 pages of matches. They range from the 2nd cousin level to > > the 5th/Distant cousin level. I know how 5 or so of them fit into the > > tree. I have about 4 or 5 who I think I know how they should fit, but > the > > match does not have all the research yet done on that line. They email > me > > when they find info. I'm guessing that my dad's matches on Family Finder > > are probably 2/3 to 3/4 American (ultimately British Isles) type lines, > > since there are a lot more of those researchers out there. The remainder > > are Portuguese. And then there are those that I can't tell. Mrs. Jane > > Doe. I don't know if her maiden name was Portuguese or she's matching on > > my dad's American side. If I see the Gedcom button, I click it and take > a > > look. If not, I email. This Family Finder test is not a straight shot > > like the Y-DNA (my father's father's father's line that winds up as a > > Jacome). This one is a plate full of spaghetti and I have to try to > > separate it to figure out which line came from where. It's fun and > > frustrating sometimes. But mostly fun. > > > > I have not tested my dad's mtDNA (which is his American side which > appears > > to be something British). It's a brickwall and my paperwork on that only > > goes to the mid-1800s. Since my dad's DNA will be stored for 25 years or > > longer, I want to attack that line more with research first. But if I do > > test it, I will do the whole Full Genetic Test or Full Genome or Full > > Sequence (they keep marketing it differently). And I may do it when I > find > > another person who thinks that they come from the same ancestor. > > > > The Portuguese uncle would be good to test for either Y-DNA and > definitely > > for Family Finder since he's the older generation. Generally speaking, > > it's usually better to test an older person, if that person's genealogy > > covers your goals. > > > > Expenses: Well, depending on how you look at it, DNA can be expensive. > > However, with one of my brickwalls, I drove up to the Los Angeles FHC on > > numerous occasions (gas money), flew to Salt Lake (airfare, hotel, and > > food), flew to St. Joseph, MO (air, hotel, food again + rent a car), and > > east Tennessee. I don't even want to think how much money I spent on > that > > line. But I got to see a lot of really neat places and meet some really > > good people, so I'm not complaining. How that wall was broken? A 2nd > > cousin took a DNA test and it matched someone whose paper trail left the > > burnt out east Tennessee and we got a match that way! > > > > So far, I've had no rich Portuguese person leave their fortune to my DNA > > projects. Since FTDNA runs the holiday sale yearly (for the last 5 or 6 > > years), some people save their money all year long and buy a test at the > > end of the year. Some find a cousin or two who do genealogy and split > the > > cost. If it's Y-DNA, some buy the lower marker (Y-DNA 12 marker) and > > upgrade as funds become available. Family Tree DNA does have a layaway > > plan that they don't advertise. Once the kit is paid off, you can mail > in > > the DNA sample and it will be processed. > > > > On your U.K. match, you didn't state how many markers it was or the > > haplogroup. Or how common the UK surname is. > > > > Hope I gave you a few ideas and cleared up a few questions. > > > > Cheri Mello > > Family Tree DNA Admin > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi cece what i meant was that i wanted to research my mothers father side of the family and i guess all that i had is my dads line :( Hugs to you and Ed! x On 24 Nov 2011, at 15:18, Cece Camara wrote: >>> i can see that is only tracing my dads side of the family, in which i have > no idea where they really come from > > Leandro, > If this is true - then how can you have taken the wrong tests - sounds to me > you have taken the right tests :-) > Hope you are well! > Cece > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of leandro deoliveira > Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 3:14 AM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] DNA Tests > > Hi Cheri.... > > Even with my 2 kits that i have, i think i screwed up big time :( > > Im trying to find out my maternal grandfather line. The thing is that i dont > have uncles, my grand dad is dead and he only had sisters that all died > already as well. > > so when i took both tests i was thinking that somehow it would be traced at > least in one of them...but reading now your emails i can see that is only > tracing my dads side of the family, in which i have no idea where they > really come from > > leandro > > > > > On 23 Nov 2011, at 18:06, Cheri Mello wrote: > >> Hi Betty, >> >> DNA for genealogy has been on the market for about 10 or 11 years now, but >> it probably took about 5 years to get the word out and to get people to >> understand it. Or somewhat understand it, I should say. >> >> For a half-Portuguese man and his results: >> It depends on which test he takes. If his surname is Portuguese (or a >> variation/Anglicized version) and he takes a Y-DNA test, then he will be >> tracing father's father's father's line. He will get a list of matches >> with their email addresses. I encourage people to upload their Gedcoms >> (from their genealogy software program) so the matches can see their line. >> My dad is half Portuguese on his paternal side. Since his surname is >> Mello, the Y-DNA test is tracing his father's father's line (back to that >> Jacome guy). My dad get a list of matches, but they were at the 25 marker >> level, which means their common ancestor was probably a thousand years >> ago. A bit too far back for my genealogy. I did not expect my dad to get >> a genealogy-relevant match on his Y-DNA though. That's because the Azores >> are 9 islands. Even though my dad's family comes from the largest of the > 9 >> islands, not enough people have yet test from that island, let alone that >> freguesia. I would think that once more men from Madeira test their > Y-DNA, >> they would be getting matches much, much sooner. >> >> Now, for a half-Portuguese (or a quarter or even less), he could take >> Family Finder. That test has been on the market now for about 1.5 years. >> I tested my dad's DNA a year ago, and things are starting to fall into >> place. I think he had maybe 5 or 6 pages of matches (so 50 or 60 people). >> Now he has 10 pages of matches. They range from the 2nd cousin level to >> the 5th/Distant cousin level. I know how 5 or so of them fit into the >> tree. I have about 4 or 5 who I think I know how they should fit, but the >> match does not have all the research yet done on that line. They email me >> when they find info. I'm guessing that my dad's matches on Family Finder >> are probably 2/3 to 3/4 American (ultimately British Isles) type lines, >> since there are a lot more of those researchers out there. The remainder >> are Portuguese. And then there are those that I can't tell. Mrs. Jane >> Doe. I don't know if her maiden name was Portuguese or she's matching on >> my dad's American side. If I see the Gedcom button, I click it and take a >> look. If not, I email. This Family Finder test is not a straight shot >> like the Y-DNA (my father's father's father's line that winds up as a >> Jacome). This one is a plate full of spaghetti and I have to try to >> separate it to figure out which line came from where. It's fun and >> frustrating sometimes. But mostly fun. >> >> I have not tested my dad's mtDNA (which is his American side which appears >> to be something British). It's a brickwall and my paperwork on that only >> goes to the mid-1800s. Since my dad's DNA will be stored for 25 years or >> longer, I want to attack that line more with research first. But if I do >> test it, I will do the whole Full Genetic Test or Full Genome or Full >> Sequence (they keep marketing it differently). And I may do it when I > find >> another person who thinks that they come from the same ancestor. >> >> The Portuguese uncle would be good to test for either Y-DNA and definitely >> for Family Finder since he's the older generation. Generally speaking, >> it's usually better to test an older person, if that person's genealogy >> covers your goals. >> >> Expenses: Well, depending on how you look at it, DNA can be expensive. >> However, with one of my brickwalls, I drove up to the Los Angeles FHC on >> numerous occasions (gas money), flew to Salt Lake (airfare, hotel, and >> food), flew to St. Joseph, MO (air, hotel, food again + rent a car), and >> east Tennessee. I don't even want to think how much money I spent on that >> line. But I got to see a lot of really neat places and meet some really >> good people, so I'm not complaining. How that wall was broken? A 2nd >> cousin took a DNA test and it matched someone whose paper trail left the >> burnt out east Tennessee and we got a match that way! >> >> So far, I've had no rich Portuguese person leave their fortune to my DNA >> projects. Since FTDNA runs the holiday sale yearly (for the last 5 or 6 >> years), some people save their money all year long and buy a test at the >> end of the year. Some find a cousin or two who do genealogy and split the >> cost. If it's Y-DNA, some buy the lower marker (Y-DNA 12 marker) and >> upgrade as funds become available. Family Tree DNA does have a layaway >> plan that they don't advertise. Once the kit is paid off, you can mail in >> the DNA sample and it will be processed. >> >> On your U.K. match, you didn't state how many markers it was or the >> haplogroup. Or how common the UK surname is. >> >> Hope I gave you a few ideas and cleared up a few questions. >> >> Cheri Mello >> Family Tree DNA Admin >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4034 - Release Date: 11/23/11 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rich, The answer is yes to all your questions. The results are (depending on how many markers you test) a numerical value against a genetic number. Then you can post those numbers and your haplogroup type to the Madeira Y search web side and see if you have matches with the others who have posted. Lou On 11/24/2011 9:58 AM, Rich Gomes wrote: > Thanks you for that explanation Cheri. > > > I still have some questions: > What kind of results can be expected? > Will it only find people in your family line who have also taken a DNA test > and are in a database? > And the ancestors of those who have taken the test and uploaded their Gedcom > files? > > So basically, does it all depend on other's participation? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cheri Mello [mailto:gfscherim@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 1:06 PM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] DNA Tests > > Hi Betty, > > DNA for genealogy has been on the market for about 10 or 11 years now, but > it probably took about 5 years to get the word out and to get people to > understand it. Or somewhat understand it, I should say. > > For a half-Portuguese man and his results: > It depends on which test he takes. If his surname is Portuguese (or a > variation/Anglicized version) and he takes a Y-DNA test, then he will be > tracing father's father's father's line. He will get a list of matches with > their email addresses. I encourage people to upload their Gedcoms (from > their genealogy software program) so the matches can see their line. > My dad is half Portuguese on his paternal side. Since his surname is Mello, > the Y-DNA test is tracing his father's father's line (back to that Jacome > guy). My dad get a list of matches, but they were at the 25 marker level, > which means their common ancestor was probably a thousand years ago. A bit > too far back for my genealogy. I did not expect my dad to get a > genealogy-relevant match on his Y-DNA though. That's because the Azores are > 9 islands. Even though my dad's family comes from the largest of the 9 > islands, not enough people have yet test from that island, let alone that > freguesia. I would think that once more men from Madeira test their Y-DNA, > they would be getting matches much, much sooner. > > Now, for a half-Portuguese (or a quarter or even less), he could take Family > Finder. That test has been on the market now for about 1.5 years. > I tested my dad's DNA a year ago, and things are starting to fall into > place. I think he had maybe 5 or 6 pages of matches (so 50 or 60 people). > Now he has 10 pages of matches. They range from the 2nd cousin level to the > 5th/Distant cousin level. I know how 5 or so of them fit into the tree. I > have about 4 or 5 who I think I know how they should fit, but the match does > not have all the research yet done on that line. They email me when they > find info. I'm guessing that my dad's matches on Family Finder are probably > 2/3 to 3/4 American (ultimately British Isles) type lines, since there are a > lot more of those researchers out there. The remainder are Portuguese. And > then there are those that I can't tell. Mrs. Jane Doe. I don't know if her > maiden name was Portuguese or she's matching on my dad's American side. If > I see the Gedcom button, I click it and take a look. If not, I email. This > Family Finder test is not a straight shot like the Y-DNA (my father's > father's father's line that winds up as a Jacome). This one is a plate full > of spaghetti and I have to try to separate it to figure out which line came > from where. It's fun and frustrating sometimes. But mostly fun. > > I have not tested my dad's mtDNA (which is his American side which appears > to be something British). It's a brickwall and my paperwork on that only > goes to the mid-1800s. Since my dad's DNA will be stored for 25 years or > longer, I want to attack that line more with research first. But if I do > test it, I will do the whole Full Genetic Test or Full Genome or Full > Sequence (they keep marketing it differently). And I may do it when I find > another person who thinks that they come from the same ancestor. > > The Portuguese uncle would be good to test for either Y-DNA and definitely > for Family Finder since he's the older generation. Generally speaking, it's > usually better to test an older person, if that person's genealogy covers > your goals. > > Expenses: Well, depending on how you look at it, DNA can be expensive. > However, with one of my brickwalls, I drove up to the Los Angeles FHC on > numerous occasions (gas money), flew to Salt Lake (airfare, hotel, and > food), flew to St. Joseph, MO (air, hotel, food again + rent a car), and > east Tennessee. I don't even want to think how much money I spent on that > line. But I got to see a lot of really neat places and meet some really > good people, so I'm not complaining. How that wall was broken? A 2nd > cousin took a DNA test and it matched someone whose paper trail left the > burnt out east Tennessee and we got a match that way! > > So far, I've had no rich Portuguese person leave their fortune to my DNA > projects. Since FTDNA runs the holiday sale yearly (for the last 5 or 6 > years), some people save their money all year long and buy a test at the end > of the year. Some find a cousin or two who do genealogy and split the cost. > If it's Y-DNA, some buy the lower marker (Y-DNA 12 marker) and upgrade as > funds become available. Family Tree DNA does have a layaway plan that they > don't advertise. Once the kit is paid off, you can mail in the DNA sample > and it will be processed. > > On your U.K. match, you didn't state how many markers it was or the > haplogroup. Or how common the UK surname is. > > Hope I gave you a few ideas and cleared up a few questions. > > Cheri Mello > Family Tree DNA Admin > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks you for that explanation Cheri. I still have some questions: What kind of results can be expected? Will it only find people in your family line who have also taken a DNA test and are in a database? And the ancestors of those who have taken the test and uploaded their Gedcom files? So basically, does it all depend on other's participation? -----Original Message----- From: Cheri Mello [mailto:gfscherim@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 1:06 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] DNA Tests Hi Betty, DNA for genealogy has been on the market for about 10 or 11 years now, but it probably took about 5 years to get the word out and to get people to understand it. Or somewhat understand it, I should say. For a half-Portuguese man and his results: It depends on which test he takes. If his surname is Portuguese (or a variation/Anglicized version) and he takes a Y-DNA test, then he will be tracing father's father's father's line. He will get a list of matches with their email addresses. I encourage people to upload their Gedcoms (from their genealogy software program) so the matches can see their line. My dad is half Portuguese on his paternal side. Since his surname is Mello, the Y-DNA test is tracing his father's father's line (back to that Jacome guy). My dad get a list of matches, but they were at the 25 marker level, which means their common ancestor was probably a thousand years ago. A bit too far back for my genealogy. I did not expect my dad to get a genealogy-relevant match on his Y-DNA though. That's because the Azores are 9 islands. Even though my dad's family comes from the largest of the 9 islands, not enough people have yet test from that island, let alone that freguesia. I would think that once more men from Madeira test their Y-DNA, they would be getting matches much, much sooner. Now, for a half-Portuguese (or a quarter or even less), he could take Family Finder. That test has been on the market now for about 1.5 years. I tested my dad's DNA a year ago, and things are starting to fall into place. I think he had maybe 5 or 6 pages of matches (so 50 or 60 people). Now he has 10 pages of matches. They range from the 2nd cousin level to the 5th/Distant cousin level. I know how 5 or so of them fit into the tree. I have about 4 or 5 who I think I know how they should fit, but the match does not have all the research yet done on that line. They email me when they find info. I'm guessing that my dad's matches on Family Finder are probably 2/3 to 3/4 American (ultimately British Isles) type lines, since there are a lot more of those researchers out there. The remainder are Portuguese. And then there are those that I can't tell. Mrs. Jane Doe. I don't know if her maiden name was Portuguese or she's matching on my dad's American side. If I see the Gedcom button, I click it and take a look. If not, I email. This Family Finder test is not a straight shot like the Y-DNA (my father's father's father's line that winds up as a Jacome). This one is a plate full of spaghetti and I have to try to separate it to figure out which line came from where. It's fun and frustrating sometimes. But mostly fun. I have not tested my dad's mtDNA (which is his American side which appears to be something British). It's a brickwall and my paperwork on that only goes to the mid-1800s. Since my dad's DNA will be stored for 25 years or longer, I want to attack that line more with research first. But if I do test it, I will do the whole Full Genetic Test or Full Genome or Full Sequence (they keep marketing it differently). And I may do it when I find another person who thinks that they come from the same ancestor. The Portuguese uncle would be good to test for either Y-DNA and definitely for Family Finder since he's the older generation. Generally speaking, it's usually better to test an older person, if that person's genealogy covers your goals. Expenses: Well, depending on how you look at it, DNA can be expensive. However, with one of my brickwalls, I drove up to the Los Angeles FHC on numerous occasions (gas money), flew to Salt Lake (airfare, hotel, and food), flew to St. Joseph, MO (air, hotel, food again + rent a car), and east Tennessee. I don't even want to think how much money I spent on that line. But I got to see a lot of really neat places and meet some really good people, so I'm not complaining. How that wall was broken? A 2nd cousin took a DNA test and it matched someone whose paper trail left the burnt out east Tennessee and we got a match that way! So far, I've had no rich Portuguese person leave their fortune to my DNA projects. Since FTDNA runs the holiday sale yearly (for the last 5 or 6 years), some people save their money all year long and buy a test at the end of the year. Some find a cousin or two who do genealogy and split the cost. If it's Y-DNA, some buy the lower marker (Y-DNA 12 marker) and upgrade as funds become available. Family Tree DNA does have a layaway plan that they don't advertise. Once the kit is paid off, you can mail in the DNA sample and it will be processed. On your U.K. match, you didn't state how many markers it was or the haplogroup. Or how common the UK surname is. Hope I gave you a few ideas and cleared up a few questions. Cheri Mello Family Tree DNA Admin

>>i can see that is only tracing my dads side of the family, in which i have no idea where they really come from Leandro, If this is true - then how can you have taken the wrong tests - sounds to me you have taken the right tests :-) Hope you are well! Cece -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of leandro deoliveira Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 3:14 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] DNA Tests Hi Cheri.... Even with my 2 kits that i have, i think i screwed up big time :( Im trying to find out my maternal grandfather line. The thing is that i dont have uncles, my grand dad is dead and he only had sisters that all died already as well. so when i took both tests i was thinking that somehow it would be traced at least in one of them...but reading now your emails i can see that is only tracing my dads side of the family, in which i have no idea where they really come from leandro On 23 Nov 2011, at 18:06, Cheri Mello wrote: > Hi Betty, > > DNA for genealogy has been on the market for about 10 or 11 years now, but > it probably took about 5 years to get the word out and to get people to > understand it. Or somewhat understand it, I should say. > > For a half-Portuguese man and his results: > It depends on which test he takes. If his surname is Portuguese (or a > variation/Anglicized version) and he takes a Y-DNA test, then he will be > tracing father's father's father's line. He will get a list of matches > with their email addresses. I encourage people to upload their Gedcoms > (from their genealogy software program) so the matches can see their line. > My dad is half Portuguese on his paternal side. Since his surname is > Mello, the Y-DNA test is tracing his father's father's line (back to that > Jacome guy). My dad get a list of matches, but they were at the 25 marker > level, which means their common ancestor was probably a thousand years > ago. A bit too far back for my genealogy. I did not expect my dad to get > a genealogy-relevant match on his Y-DNA though. That's because the Azores > are 9 islands. Even though my dad's family comes from the largest of the 9 > islands, not enough people have yet test from that island, let alone that > freguesia. I would think that once more men from Madeira test their Y-DNA, > they would be getting matches much, much sooner. > > Now, for a half-Portuguese (or a quarter or even less), he could take > Family Finder. That test has been on the market now for about 1.5 years. > I tested my dad's DNA a year ago, and things are starting to fall into > place. I think he had maybe 5 or 6 pages of matches (so 50 or 60 people). > Now he has 10 pages of matches. They range from the 2nd cousin level to > the 5th/Distant cousin level. I know how 5 or so of them fit into the > tree. I have about 4 or 5 who I think I know how they should fit, but the > match does not have all the research yet done on that line. They email me > when they find info. I'm guessing that my dad's matches on Family Finder > are probably 2/3 to 3/4 American (ultimately British Isles) type lines, > since there are a lot more of those researchers out there. The remainder > are Portuguese. And then there are those that I can't tell. Mrs. Jane > Doe. I don't know if her maiden name was Portuguese or she's matching on > my dad's American side. If I see the Gedcom button, I click it and take a > look. If not, I email. This Family Finder test is not a straight shot > like the Y-DNA (my father's father's father's line that winds up as a > Jacome). This one is a plate full of spaghetti and I have to try to > separate it to figure out which line came from where. It's fun and > frustrating sometimes. But mostly fun. > > I have not tested my dad's mtDNA (which is his American side which appears > to be something British). It's a brickwall and my paperwork on that only > goes to the mid-1800s. Since my dad's DNA will be stored for 25 years or > longer, I want to attack that line more with research first. But if I do > test it, I will do the whole Full Genetic Test or Full Genome or Full > Sequence (they keep marketing it differently). And I may do it when I find > another person who thinks that they come from the same ancestor. > > The Portuguese uncle would be good to test for either Y-DNA and definitely > for Family Finder since he's the older generation. Generally speaking, > it's usually better to test an older person, if that person's genealogy > covers your goals. > > Expenses: Well, depending on how you look at it, DNA can be expensive. > However, with one of my brickwalls, I drove up to the Los Angeles FHC on > numerous occasions (gas money), flew to Salt Lake (airfare, hotel, and > food), flew to St. Joseph, MO (air, hotel, food again + rent a car), and > east Tennessee. I don't even want to think how much money I spent on that > line. But I got to see a lot of really neat places and meet some really > good people, so I'm not complaining. How that wall was broken? A 2nd > cousin took a DNA test and it matched someone whose paper trail left the > burnt out east Tennessee and we got a match that way! > > So far, I've had no rich Portuguese person leave their fortune to my DNA > projects. Since FTDNA runs the holiday sale yearly (for the last 5 or 6 > years), some people save their money all year long and buy a test at the > end of the year. Some find a cousin or two who do genealogy and split the > cost. If it's Y-DNA, some buy the lower marker (Y-DNA 12 marker) and > upgrade as funds become available. Family Tree DNA does have a layaway > plan that they don't advertise. Once the kit is paid off, you can mail in > the DNA sample and it will be processed. > > On your U.K. match, you didn't state how many markers it was or the > haplogroup. Or how common the UK surname is. > > Hope I gave you a few ideas and cleared up a few questions. > > Cheri Mello > Family Tree DNA Admin > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4034 - Release Date: 11/23/11

Hi Cheri.... Even with my 2 kits that i have, i think i screwed up big time :( Im trying to find out my maternal grandfather line. The thing is that i dont have uncles, my grand dad is dead and he only had sisters that all died already as well. so when i took both tests i was thinking that somehow it would be traced at least in one of them...but reading now your emails i can see that is only tracing my dads side of the family, in which i have no idea where they really come from leandro On 23 Nov 2011, at 18:06, Cheri Mello wrote: > Hi Betty, > > DNA for genealogy has been on the market for about 10 or 11 years now, but > it probably took about 5 years to get the word out and to get people to > understand it. Or somewhat understand it, I should say. > > For a half-Portuguese man and his results: > It depends on which test he takes. If his surname is Portuguese (or a > variation/Anglicized version) and he takes a Y-DNA test, then he will be > tracing father's father's father's line. He will get a list of matches > with their email addresses. I encourage people to upload their Gedcoms > (from their genealogy software program) so the matches can see their line. > My dad is half Portuguese on his paternal side. Since his surname is > Mello, the Y-DNA test is tracing his father's father's line (back to that > Jacome guy). My dad get a list of matches, but they were at the 25 marker > level, which means their common ancestor was probably a thousand years > ago. A bit too far back for my genealogy. I did not expect my dad to get > a genealogy-relevant match on his Y-DNA though. That's because the Azores > are 9 islands. Even though my dad's family comes from the largest of the 9 > islands, not enough people have yet test from that island, let alone that > freguesia. I would think that once more men from Madeira test their Y-DNA, > they would be getting matches much, much sooner. > > Now, for a half-Portuguese (or a quarter or even less), he could take > Family Finder. That test has been on the market now for about 1.5 years. > I tested my dad's DNA a year ago, and things are starting to fall into > place. I think he had maybe 5 or 6 pages of matches (so 50 or 60 people). > Now he has 10 pages of matches. They range from the 2nd cousin level to > the 5th/Distant cousin level. I know how 5 or so of them fit into the > tree. I have about 4 or 5 who I think I know how they should fit, but the > match does not have all the research yet done on that line. They email me > when they find info. I'm guessing that my dad's matches on Family Finder > are probably 2/3 to 3/4 American (ultimately British Isles) type lines, > since there are a lot more of those researchers out there. The remainder > are Portuguese. And then there are those that I can't tell. Mrs. Jane > Doe. I don't know if her maiden name was Portuguese or she's matching on > my dad's American side. If I see the Gedcom button, I click it and take a > look. If not, I email. This Family Finder test is not a straight shot > like the Y-DNA (my father's father's father's line that winds up as a > Jacome). This one is a plate full of spaghetti and I have to try to > separate it to figure out which line came from where. It's fun and > frustrating sometimes. But mostly fun. > > I have not tested my dad's mtDNA (which is his American side which appears > to be something British). It's a brickwall and my paperwork on that only > goes to the mid-1800s. Since my dad's DNA will be stored for 25 years or > longer, I want to attack that line more with research first. But if I do > test it, I will do the whole Full Genetic Test or Full Genome or Full > Sequence (they keep marketing it differently). And I may do it when I find > another person who thinks that they come from the same ancestor. > > The Portuguese uncle would be good to test for either Y-DNA and definitely > for Family Finder since he's the older generation. Generally speaking, > it's usually better to test an older person, if that person's genealogy > covers your goals. > > Expenses: Well, depending on how you look at it, DNA can be expensive. > However, with one of my brickwalls, I drove up to the Los Angeles FHC on > numerous occasions (gas money), flew to Salt Lake (airfare, hotel, and > food), flew to St. Joseph, MO (air, hotel, food again + rent a car), and > east Tennessee. I don't even want to think how much money I spent on that > line. But I got to see a lot of really neat places and meet some really > good people, so I'm not complaining. How that wall was broken? A 2nd > cousin took a DNA test and it matched someone whose paper trail left the > burnt out east Tennessee and we got a match that way! > > So far, I've had no rich Portuguese person leave their fortune to my DNA > projects. Since FTDNA runs the holiday sale yearly (for the last 5 or 6 > years), some people save their money all year long and buy a test at the > end of the year. Some find a cousin or two who do genealogy and split the > cost. If it's Y-DNA, some buy the lower marker (Y-DNA 12 marker) and > upgrade as funds become available. Family Tree DNA does have a layaway > plan that they don't advertise. Once the kit is paid off, you can mail in > the DNA sample and it will be processed. > > On your U.K. match, you didn't state how many markers it was or the > haplogroup. Or how common the UK surname is. > > Hope I gave you a few ideas and cleared up a few questions. > > Cheri Mello > Family Tree DNA Admin > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Betty, DNA for genealogy has been on the market for about 10 or 11 years now, but it probably took about 5 years to get the word out and to get people to understand it. Or somewhat understand it, I should say. For a half-Portuguese man and his results: It depends on which test he takes. If his surname is Portuguese (or a variation/Anglicized version) and he takes a Y-DNA test, then he will be tracing father's father's father's line. He will get a list of matches with their email addresses. I encourage people to upload their Gedcoms (from their genealogy software program) so the matches can see their line. My dad is half Portuguese on his paternal side. Since his surname is Mello, the Y-DNA test is tracing his father's father's line (back to that Jacome guy). My dad get a list of matches, but they were at the 25 marker level, which means their common ancestor was probably a thousand years ago. A bit too far back for my genealogy. I did not expect my dad to get a genealogy-relevant match on his Y-DNA though. That's because the Azores are 9 islands. Even though my dad's family comes from the largest of the 9 islands, not enough people have yet test from that island, let alone that freguesia. I would think that once more men from Madeira test their Y-DNA, they would be getting matches much, much sooner. Now, for a half-Portuguese (or a quarter or even less), he could take Family Finder. That test has been on the market now for about 1.5 years. I tested my dad's DNA a year ago, and things are starting to fall into place. I think he had maybe 5 or 6 pages of matches (so 50 or 60 people). Now he has 10 pages of matches. They range from the 2nd cousin level to the 5th/Distant cousin level. I know how 5 or so of them fit into the tree. I have about 4 or 5 who I think I know how they should fit, but the match does not have all the research yet done on that line. They email me when they find info. I'm guessing that my dad's matches on Family Finder are probably 2/3 to 3/4 American (ultimately British Isles) type lines, since there are a lot more of those researchers out there. The remainder are Portuguese. And then there are those that I can't tell. Mrs. Jane Doe. I don't know if her maiden name was Portuguese or she's matching on my dad's American side. If I see the Gedcom button, I click it and take a look. If not, I email. This Family Finder test is not a straight shot like the Y-DNA (my father's father's father's line that winds up as a Jacome). This one is a plate full of spaghetti and I have to try to separate it to figure out which line came from where. It's fun and frustrating sometimes. But mostly fun. I have not tested my dad's mtDNA (which is his American side which appears to be something British). It's a brickwall and my paperwork on that only goes to the mid-1800s. Since my dad's DNA will be stored for 25 years or longer, I want to attack that line more with research first. But if I do test it, I will do the whole Full Genetic Test or Full Genome or Full Sequence (they keep marketing it differently). And I may do it when I find another person who thinks that they come from the same ancestor. The Portuguese uncle would be good to test for either Y-DNA and definitely for Family Finder since he's the older generation. Generally speaking, it's usually better to test an older person, if that person's genealogy covers your goals. Expenses: Well, depending on how you look at it, DNA can be expensive. However, with one of my brickwalls, I drove up to the Los Angeles FHC on numerous occasions (gas money), flew to Salt Lake (airfare, hotel, and food), flew to St. Joseph, MO (air, hotel, food again + rent a car), and east Tennessee. I don't even want to think how much money I spent on that line. But I got to see a lot of really neat places and meet some really good people, so I'm not complaining. How that wall was broken? A 2nd cousin took a DNA test and it matched someone whose paper trail left the burnt out east Tennessee and we got a match that way! So far, I've had no rich Portuguese person leave their fortune to my DNA projects. Since FTDNA runs the holiday sale yearly (for the last 5 or 6 years), some people save their money all year long and buy a test at the end of the year. Some find a cousin or two who do genealogy and split the cost. If it's Y-DNA, some buy the lower marker (Y-DNA 12 marker) and upgrade as funds become available. Family Tree DNA does have a layaway plan that they don't advertise. Once the kit is paid off, you can mail in the DNA sample and it will be processed. On your U.K. match, you didn't state how many markers it was or the haplogroup. Or how common the UK surname is. Hope I gave you a few ideas and cleared up a few questions. Cheri Mello Family Tree DNA Admin

Hi Cheri,   I've known about DNA for many years  (from previous jobs in 1980's), but only learned about DNA for genealogy maybe 4-5 yrs. ago.      I am all "British,"   but my now husband is half-Portuguese.      And, I'd like to offer that topic of conversation:   For DNA,  what if a man is, for example,  half-Portuguese (Azores) and half-Irish?     If he took a DNA test,  what kind of results would we see?      And, his sons have a mother whose parents were from Madeira.      So, they are I guess ..  3/4 Portuguese  and  1/4 Irish.         Now he has one Portuguese uncle still alive;   both of his parents came from the Azores.     But, both he,  and us,  are low-income,  and definitely cannot afford to pay for a DNA test.   On my mother's side,  there are "brick-wall" ancestors from the U.K.     No one can find out who their parents were in Ireland from  around 1790 to 1810.      So, I inquired about a DNA test for that surname.     But, my uncle and my male cousin were not interested  at all in helping;   have no interest in genealogy.     But, I was lucky enough to locate a male cousin of my mother, and he was interested.     But, he couldn't afford it either.    But, a researcher helped us with the cost.      Unfortunately,  there are many "matches"  but after about 4-5 months,  none of the matches have the same surname as my mother's cousin.   Betty                   (near Lowell, MA, USA)     FYI for others:      My husband's  late EX-wife had the following names in her extended family: SANTOS, SOUZA,  QUINTAL,  probably all from Madeira.      (Please see my old postings.) And, after 1900 they were in Massachusetts.    I only have basic information on them.   My husband's Azorean grandparents had the following names on their .tree.: PACHECO,  MOURA,  and other names I can't think of at the moment. I have discussed them on the Azores List and Group.

Hello list, My name is Cheri Mello and I'm one of the DNA Admins of the Azores DNA project over on Family Tree DNA (FTDNA). I also manage 2 other surname projects as well. I do have a Madeiran line, but it's way back there in the 1600s or something like that. I received an email from a man in the Azores DNA project who has both Azorean and Madeiran ancestry. When I went to check on his Madeiran results, I saw that Madeirans don't have has much representation. So I thought I would join this list and share what I know. For those new to DNA and genealogy, there are currently 3 types of tests that are used for genealogy. 1) Y-DNA: This traces a male's father's father's father's line. Strictly, all men, as far back as you can go. My surname is Mello. I am a female. Therefore, I have no Y chromosome to make me a male, so I can't take this test. But luckily, my dad is alive so I got him to take the DNA test for me. (I'm really into this and I've gone as far as finding 3rd cousins on certain surnames to test for me). 2) mtDNA: That's the abbreviation for mitochondrial DNA. This traces anyone's mother's mother's mother's line. Strictly all women, as far back as you can go. Either men or women can take this test. However, most results from mtDNA are anthopological in nature. You get more of the "Out of Africa" theory information. Results tell you that you have a common ancestor 10,000 years ago. Not helpful for genealogy. But some people do have rare mutations and do find genealogy matches. This test is best used when 2 people feel that their mother's mother's mother's are the same but they have no proof. Both take the test and see if their results are the same. 3) atDNA: That's the abbreviation for autosomal DNA. FTDNA calls this their Family Finder test. It's been on the market about 1.5 years now. This traces a testee's pedigree (whole thing) back to all the 2 greats with 90% accuracy. The accuracy falls beginning with the 3 greats. However, some people are finding 6th cousins (although you can only find about 2% - 5% of them with atDNA). Most people taking this test can find genealogy matches. But it does take effort and a decent pedigree (if your pedigree is full of "pai incognitos" then this test will not benefit you to the fullest). FTDNA is running their holiday sale from now through Dec. 31st at 11:59 pm CST. But please order before then because it becomes difficult for me to help you on Dec. 31st at 11:50 pm (besides, maybe I want to go to the Portuguese hall again for New Year's Eve). *New Kits* Current Group Price *SALE PRICE* Y-DNA 37 $149 *$119* Y-DNA 67 $239 *$199 * mtFullSequence $299 *$239* SuperDNA (Y-DNA67 and FMS) $518 *$438* Family Finder $289 *$199* Family Finder + mtPlus $438 *$318* Family Finder + FMS $559 *$439* Family Finder+ Y-DNA37 $438 *$318* Comprehensive (FF + FMS + Y-67) $797 *$627* *Upgrades (existing customers) * 12-25 Marker $49 *$35* 12-37 Marker $99 *$69* 12-67 Marker $189 *$148* 25-37 Marker $49 *$35* 25-67 Marker $148 *$114* 37-67 Marker $99 *$79* Family Finder $289 *$199* mtHVR1toMega $269 *$229* mtHVR2toMega $239 *$209* Order through the Madeira project here: http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=MadeiraPortugal And if you want to test your spouse's non-Portuguese line and need a project to join to take advantage of the group and sale prices, I have a place for you to go. Just ask. Feel free to ask questions about DNA. I'm more than happy to help. -- Cheri Mello Family Tree DNA Administrator (we're all volunteers)

Thank You Luis... Pat   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 8:54:11 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Hey! Just look at this! Try and see the result in        few hours! I have unsubscribed this person from the list so we will not be receiving any more spam. Take care, Luis Beal List Administrator "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator   

Thanks Luis.   Philip http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ ________________________________ From: Luis Beal <luisbeal@yahoo.com> To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 11:54:11 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Hey! Just look at this! Try and see the result in few hours! I have unsubscribed this person from the list so we will not be receiving any more spam. Take care, Luis Beal List Administrator "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator >________________________________ >From: "ksg63poaha@aol.com" <ksg63poaha@aol.com> >To: pipeline@pacbell.net; pkaimua63@yahoo.com; pn44110107us@promo.daytimer.com; pn47810109us@promo.daytimer.com; pn51690109us@promo.daytimer.com; ponimaria@yahoo.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com; pumcken@yahoo.com >Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 7:13 PM >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Hey! Just look at this! Try and see the result in few hours! > >Be happy regardless of anything! Moreover, I will help you with it:.  >http://www.mbenislam.com/com.friend.page.php?jcupage=91b0 > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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I have unsubscribed this person from the list so we will not be receiving any more spam. Take care, Luis Beal List Administrator "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator >________________________________ >From: "ksg63poaha@aol.com" <ksg63poaha@aol.com> >To: pipeline@pacbell.net; pkaimua63@yahoo.com; pn44110107us@promo.daytimer.com; pn47810109us@promo.daytimer.com; pn51690109us@promo.daytimer.com; ponimaria@yahoo.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com; pumcken@yahoo.com >Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 7:13 PM >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Hey! Just look at this! Try and see the result in few hours! > >Be happy regardless of anything! Moreover, I will help you with it:.  >http://www.mbenislam.com/com.friend.page.php?jcupage=91b0 > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Sounds like a plan...I also tried emailing the individual but it was undeliverable... Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Beal" <luisbeal@yahoo.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 9:13:03 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Strange Email  -  Luis I got it too. I tried to e-mail the person back but it returned undelivered. If it happens again I will just remove them from the list and they can rejoin when their computer is cleaned up. Luis Beal List Administrator "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator >________________________________ >From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 9:06 AM >Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Strange Email - Luis > > >Luis, > > >I just received an email sent by prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com ... > >The message in the body reads: > >Welcome to your paradise!! >it gives an website address to click on... >  >When I clicked on that website address it took me to an advertisment for a Cana dian Neighbor  Pharmacy. W ith listing after listing for Viagra... > >How is this type of message related to researching our Madeira/Portuguese ancestors!! >  >What is this all about? >  >Pat Corbera > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Luis, I just received an email sent by prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com ... The message in the body reads: Welcome to your paradise!! it gives an website address to click on...   When I clicked on that website address it took me to an advertisment for a Cana dian Neighbor  Pharmacy. W ith listing after listing for Viagra... How is this type of message related to researching our Madeira/Portuguese ancestors!!   What is this all about?   Pat Corbera

Yes I saw that. Some spam artist has infiltrated our list it seems. We should be aware.   Philip http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ ________________________________ From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 12:06:10 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Strange Email - Luis Luis, I just received an email sent by prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com ... The message in the body reads: Welcome to your paradise!! it gives an website address to click on...   When I clicked on that website address it took me to an advertisment for a Cana dian Neighbor  Pharmacy. W ith listing after listing for Viagra... How is this type of message related to researching our Madeira/Portuguese ancestors!!   What is this all about?   Pat Corbera ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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