Thank you everyone for the information. Can you tell me how I can get into the list archives to find the information that Jose speak of? The other information is very helpful and would like to check it out. Thanks Bob Camacho In a message dated 2/27/2012 7:33:23 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, family@railsoft.com writes: Philip, There are Madeira records on that site right now, I have found a few and they show some good information. However, one should always be a little cautious because a lot of the information is done by individuals and therefore might not be correct. Everything should be validated against documentation if possible. I have found wedding information, death information and family information. Tom Freitas -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Philip Rodrigues Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 6:08 AM To: JOSE FERNANDES; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] New-bee Jose, Family search is run by the Church of the Latterday Saints and from what I read they plan to digitize all genealogical records that they have in Salt Lake City Utah and make it available to all who would like to access this information. If they digitize ( basically scan every record ) all the records in the Madeiran archives then we could get copies online from https://www.familysearch.org/ without having to request copies from Madeira. I have read they are indexing all the records they now have and asking for volunteers to help. However this could take years. https://www.familysearch.org/volunteer/indexing Cheers Philip ________________________________ From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 10:48:14 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] New-bee Bob, I am sure we are not forgetting about you but Camacho and Santo António is a lot to digest! In our list archives you will find a lot of messages on these two topics. Santo António is not a village but a parish of the City of Funchal, the capital of Madeira. However it really was a village unto itself! The names you mention are not unfamiliar to me. Unfortunately my records are presently in a slight mess. I will get around to it! I am a Fernandes Veloza from Santo António and naturally we intermarried with a lot of the clans from there. If you can find an e-mail from Paulo Perneta around 2010 or earlier, he wrote about the clans of Santo António and the interesting characteristics of this parish which eventually dominated the economic life of Funchal- aside from the English colony. Paulo was to write a major work on this parish, but we seemed to have lost him on this list. If he is around I am going to Madeira for about 7 weeks this summer and I am looking for him! If I am not mistaken another member of this list, Miguel, wrote about the Camacho family which seems to have a couple of different origins. ...and then you add Bazenga! Well that's Santo António! The Bazengas are very much alive and still living in the parish. One of "them" was a Secretary in the Madeiran Regional government. On another note for all interested members of the list, I heard in the Madeiran newscast that Family Search has now signed an agreement with the Madeiran Government to access and digitalize all documents in the regional archives. it seems it is good news. I am not an user of family search. Could anyone tell me what it will change for us? Now I understand that it will take 4 years to complete the digitalization. I guess by then I will learn a couple of things. José Fernandes ________________________________ From: "BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com" <BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:23:00 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] New-bee Hi Everyone I am new to this good but not new to the only roots groups. I am throwing this out there and not sure of any rules I might break, so I am sorry if I do. I am researching my grandfathers family which are from village of Santo Antonio, Madeira, His name is José Pereira Camacho and was born 1898 and he had a brother name Antonio Pereira Camacho born 1895 they both came to US. I did find out that they had two other brothers and a sister with all died in there childhood. There parents where Joao Pereira Camacho and Antonia de Freitas fathers surname Basenga. If anyone has information would be helpful thanks Bob Camacho Researching the Island of Terceira for da Costa, Evangelho, Pacheco, Ferriera Researching the Island of Graciousa for Reis Researching the Island of Madeira for Camacho Researching Brazil for Evangelho ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello. Here you go: - Search the PRT-MADEIRA archives<http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search?path=PRT-MADEIRA> - Browse the PRT-MADEIRA archives<http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/PRT-MADEIRA/> You should be able to do a name search however if not you should browse thru the archives. Good luck. Take Care and God Bless. Teresa On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:09 AM, <BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com> wrote: > > Thank you everyone for the information. Can you tell me how I can get into > the list archives to find the information that Jose speak of? The other > information is very helpful and would like to check it out. > Thanks Bob Camacho > > > > In a message dated 2/27/2012 7:33:23 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > family@railsoft.com writes: > > Philip, > > There are Madeira records on that site right now, I have found a few and > they show some good information. However, one should always be a little > cautious because a lot of the information is done by individuals and > therefore might not be correct. Everything should be validated against > documentation if possible. I have found wedding information, death > information and family information. > > Tom Freitas > > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Philip Rodrigues > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 6:08 AM > To: JOSE FERNANDES; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] New-bee > > Jose, > Family search is run by the Church of the Latterday Saints and from what I > read they plan to digitize all genealogical records that they have in Salt > Lake City Utah and make it available to all who would like to access this > information. If they digitize ( basically scan every record ) all the > records in the Madeiran archives then we could get copies online > from https://www.familysearch.org/ without having to request copies from > Madeira. > I have read they are indexing all the records they now have and asking for > volunteers to help. > > However this could take years. > https://www.familysearch.org/volunteer/indexing > Cheers > > Philip > > > > ________________________________ > From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> > To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 10:48:14 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] New-bee > > Bob, > > I am sure we are not forgetting about you but Camacho and Santo António is > a > lot to digest! In our list archives you will find a lot of messages on > these > two topics. > Santo António is not a village but a parish of the City of Funchal, the > capital of Madeira. However it really was a village unto itself! The names > you mention are not unfamiliar to me. Unfortunately my records are > presently > in a slight mess. I will get around to it! I am a Fernandes Veloza from > Santo António and naturally we intermarried with a lot of the clans from > there. > If you can find an e-mail from Paulo Perneta around 2010 or earlier, he > wrote about the clans of Santo António and the interesting characteristics > of this parish which eventually dominated the economic life of Funchal- > aside from the English colony. Paulo was to write a major work on this > parish, but we seemed to have lost him on this list. If he is around I > am > going to Madeira for about 7 weeks this summer and I am looking for him! > If I am not mistaken another member of this list, Miguel, wrote about the > Camacho family which seems to have a couple of different origins. > ...and then you add Bazenga! Well that's Santo António! The Bazengas are > very much alive and still living in the parish. One of "them" was a > Secretary in the Madeiran Regional government. > > On another note for all interested members of the list, I heard in the > Madeiran newscast that Family Search has now signed an agreement with the > Madeiran Government to access and digitalize all documents in the regional > archives. it seems it is good news. I am not an user of family search. > Could > anyone tell me what it will change for us? Now I understand that it will > take 4 years to complete the digitalization. > I guess by then I will learn a couple of things. > > José Fernandes > > > ________________________________ > From: "BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com" <BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:23:00 PM > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] New-bee > > Hi Everyone > I am new to this good but not new to the only roots groups. I am > throwing > this out there and not sure of any rules I might break, so I am sorry if > I > do. > I am researching my grandfathers family which are from village of Santo > Antonio, Madeira, His name is José Pereira Camacho and was born 1898 and > he > had a brother name Antonio Pereira Camacho born 1895 they both came to > US. > I did find out that they had two other brothers and a sister with all > died > in there childhood. There parents where Joao Pereira Camacho and Antonia > de Freitas fathers surname Basenga. If anyone has information would be > helpful thanks > > > Bob Camacho > Researching the Island of Terceira for > da Costa, Evangelho, Pacheco, Ferriera > Researching the Island of Graciousa for Reis Researching the Island of > Madeira for Camacho Researching Brazil for Evangelho > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Mahalo, Teresa M. 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Philip, There are Madeira records on that site right now, I have found a few and they show some good information. However, one should always be a little cautious because a lot of the information is done by individuals and therefore might not be correct. Everything should be validated against documentation if possible. I have found wedding information, death information and family information. Tom Freitas -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Philip Rodrigues Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 6:08 AM To: JOSE FERNANDES; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] New-bee Jose, Family search is run by the Church of the Latterday Saints and from what I read they plan to digitize all genealogical records that they have in Salt Lake City Utah and make it available to all who would like to access this information. If they digitize ( basically scan every record ) all the records in the Madeiran archives then we could get copies online from https://www.familysearch.org/ without having to request copies from Madeira. I have read they are indexing all the records they now have and asking for volunteers to help. However this could take years. https://www.familysearch.org/volunteer/indexing Cheers Philip ________________________________ From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 10:48:14 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] New-bee Bob, I am sure we are not forgetting about you but Camacho and Santo António is a lot to digest! In our list archives you will find a lot of messages on these two topics. Santo António is not a village but a parish of the City of Funchal, the capital of Madeira. However it really was a village unto itself! The names you mention are not unfamiliar to me. Unfortunately my records are presently in a slight mess. I will get around to it! I am a Fernandes Veloza from Santo António and naturally we intermarried with a lot of the clans from there. If you can find an e-mail from Paulo Perneta around 2010 or earlier, he wrote about the clans of Santo António and the interesting characteristics of this parish which eventually dominated the economic life of Funchal- aside from the English colony. Paulo was to write a major work on this parish, but we seemed to have lost him on this list. If he is around I am going to Madeira for about 7 weeks this summer and I am looking for him! If I am not mistaken another member of this list, Miguel, wrote about the Camacho family which seems to have a couple of different origins. ...and then you add Bazenga! Well that's Santo António! The Bazengas are very much alive and still living in the parish. One of "them" was a Secretary in the Madeiran Regional government. On another note for all interested members of the list, I heard in the Madeiran newscast that Family Search has now signed an agreement with the Madeiran Government to access and digitalize all documents in the regional archives. it seems it is good news. I am not an user of family search. Could anyone tell me what it will change for us? Now I understand that it will take 4 years to complete the digitalization. I guess by then I will learn a couple of things. José Fernandes ________________________________ From: "BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com" <BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:23:00 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] New-bee Hi Everyone I am new to this good but not new to the only roots groups. I am throwing this out there and not sure of any rules I might break, so I am sorry if I do. I am researching my grandfathers family which are from village of Santo Antonio, Madeira, His name is José Pereira Camacho and was born 1898 and he had a brother name Antonio Pereira Camacho born 1895 they both came to US. I did find out that they had two other brothers and a sister with all died in there childhood. There parents where Joao Pereira Camacho and Antonia de Freitas fathers surname Basenga. If anyone has information would be helpful thanks Bob Camacho Researching the Island of Terceira for da Costa, Evangelho, Pacheco, Ferriera Researching the Island of Graciousa for Reis Researching the Island of Madeira for Camacho Researching Brazil for Evangelho ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Jose, Family search is run by the Church of the Latterday Saints and from what I read they plan to digitize all genealogical records that they have in Salt Lake City Utah and make it available to all who would like to access this information. If they digitize ( basically scan every record ) all the records in the Madeiran archives then we could get copies online from https://www.familysearch.org/ without having to request copies from Madeira. I have read they are indexing all the records they now have and asking for volunteers to help. However this could take years. https://www.familysearch.org/volunteer/indexing Cheers Philip ________________________________ From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 10:48:14 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] New-bee Bob, I am sure we are not forgetting about you but Camacho and Santo António is a lot to digest! In our list archives you will find a lot of messages on these two topics. Santo António is not a village but a parish of the City of Funchal, the capital of Madeira. However it really was a village unto itself! The names you mention are not unfamiliar to me. Unfortunately my records are presently in a slight mess. I will get around to it! I am a Fernandes Veloza from Santo António and naturally we intermarried with a lot of the clans from there. If you can find an e-mail from Paulo Perneta around 2010 or earlier, he wrote about the clans of Santo António and the interesting characteristics of this parish which eventually dominated the economic life of Funchal- aside from the English colony. Paulo was to write a major work on this parish, but we seemed to have lost him on this list. If he is around I am going to Madeira for about 7 weeks this summer and I am looking for him! If I am not mistaken another member of this list, Miguel, wrote about the Camacho family which seems to have a couple of different origins. ...and then you add Bazenga! Well that's Santo António! The Bazengas are very much alive and still living in the parish. One of "them" was a Secretary in the Madeiran Regional government. On another note for all interested members of the list, I heard in the Madeiran newscast that Family Search has now signed an agreement with the Madeiran Government to access and digitalize all documents in the regional archives. it seems it is good news. I am not an user of family search. Could anyone tell me what it will change for us? Now I understand that it will take 4 years to complete the digitalization. I guess by then I will learn a couple of things. José Fernandes ________________________________ From: "BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com" <BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:23:00 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] New-bee Hi Everyone I am new to this good but not new to the only roots groups. I am throwing this out there and not sure of any rules I might break, so I am sorry if I do. I am researching my grandfathers family which are from village of Santo Antonio, Madeira, His name is José Pereira Camacho and was born 1898 and he had a brother name Antonio Pereira Camacho born 1895 they both came to US. I did find out that they had two other brothers and a sister with all died in there childhood. There parents where Joao Pereira Camacho and Antonia de Freitas fathers surname Basenga. If anyone has information would be helpful thanks Bob Camacho Researching the Island of Terceira for da Costa, Evangelho, Pacheco, Ferriera Researching the Island of Graciousa for Reis Researching the Island of Madeira for Camacho Researching Brazil for Evangelho ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello Cece, Long time no read... Well. "será lançado" is bureaucratic lingo, it means that the Lisbon baptism document is accpeted and will be inscribed (written) as valid in the Paróquia book. So the date of the baptism is indeed 1852, in Lisbon, being inscribed in 1869. To sum up :the date of the *registe*r of the baptism in Madeira is 1869, the date of the baptism 1852 in Lisbon. He was not a time-traveller ; -) Or a single person being born twice in two different places at different times.... Cheers, Miguel On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Cece Camara <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: > Came upon the following column notes on a baptism record at arquivo. The > baptism is from 1869 – but it says that he was born in 1852 and baptized in > 1852 in Lisboa – and (as translated) “is now released” (?) on the baptism > date on this record… > > Would like some help understanding the correct context of this baptism > record as I don’t want to “misread” it! > > Thanks, > > Cece > > > > > Son > > João > > > Father > > João Teixeira Dória > > > Mother > > Maria Augusta Perestrelo Dória, D. > > > Parish > > São Pedro > > > Date > > 03-08-1869 > > > Book > > 1373 > > > Leaf > > 34-34 v.º > > > Comments > > > > Abertura do termo de Baptismo de João nascido em 14.07.1852, baptizado em > 22.07.1852, na igreja de Nossa Senhora da Conceição de Lisboa (Lv.º 19, fl. > 76), e agora lançado em 03.08.1869. > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hi William My website: http://teles.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=teles&view=9&ver=203 Password: madeira has some teixeira-Brasao from Seixal and Sao Vicente Area. I also come from the Brasao family..pereira Brasao and Teixeira Brasao Have a look and hope that can help you in some way Leandro On 26 Feb 2012, at 03:24, JOSE FERNANDES wrote: > Hi Miguel, > What do you think of the Caniçal connection for maria's father? There might have been whalers in the north part or in Calheta, but other than the Machico area I am not aware of it. > The Brazão family I knew were originally from S. Jorge in the north part. > José Fernandes > > > ________________________________ > From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 7:50:57 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Braz family research > > hello William, > > There are indeed some Freitas Brasão (or Brazão) in Madeira. As well as > some Freitas Brás (in the 19 th century). > > It could be possibleh the spelling of Brasão - which to sound > laproximately) in Portuguese would have to be written Brazaungh - was > shortened to Brás or Braz. In that time, in Poruguese both brasão and Brás > were written with "z", so:. Brazão and Braz. > > What kind of indications that he was Brasão do you have? > > It's crucial to be sure of his name, because you can be part of the Brás or > the Brasão. > > Other point to investigate is where was João de Freitas Brás (or Brasão) > from? Knowing his bith place can help a lot, because the Freitas Brás are > from one freguesia (kind pf district) the Freitas Brasão from another, > > The change of the name from Braz to Freitas is not strange. Do not expect a > lot of logic in Portuguese names along one given family. In America (and > cultural areas influenced by it) normally you just have name and surname. > > It's a good idea to exercise your head in thinking how they thought in that > time ; -) Not quite like today. Genealogy lingks with philology, sociology, > general psychological and history of course. > > It's a fun ride, anyway. > > Best of luck, > > Cheers, > > Miguel de Castro Henriques. > > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 10:09 PM, William <wmonk@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> Thank you very much Jose! >> There are some indications that Braz is actually Brazao! >> I am new at this especially the verification part so I must totally rely of >> others for now! >> My mothers family is especially hard as her father was Chinese (Mun Chin >> Kung) >> was some 13 years older than my grandmother Antonia Freitas! >> They were married in Hanalei, Kauai, Hawii but the parents were listed as >> her >> brother and sister on the marriage certificate! >> Strange I know but so was the name change from Braz to Freitas in the next >> generation! >> It will take a while until I can get my head around on this!!!! >> Sometimes I think I must place myself back in time so I can understand how >> they >> thought back then! >> I am deffinately a work in progress when it comes to finding relatives! >> Again ...Thank You! >> >> William >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> >> To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sat, February 25, 2012 10:42:28 AM >> Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Braz family research >> >> William, >> When it comes to Hawaii, one of the experts on this list is Thomas de >> Freitas. I am assuming that he will join the discussion soon or later. >> For the moment just some info for your consideration: >> -Braz may be also spelled as Brás although I think Bráz may be more current >> -John was baptised as João >> -Cordoza should be Cardoso or in this case Cardosa. So her father would >> have >> been Francisco Gonçalves Cardoso/a de Jesus. Are you sure he also carried >> Jesus? >> -you don't have a parish for your ancestors. It is possible the Braz >> family >> acquired a passport. It perhaps should be listed . An archive search may >> give >> you something. See www.arquivo-madeira.org >> -Maria's father, if he was a whaler he should be from Caniçal in the >> Machico >> district. This was certainly the whaling centre in the early 20th >> century, but >> there might be other possibilities. >> When i have an opportunity I will also look in the archives. If I get >> something >> I will let you know. >> >> José Fernandes >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: William <wmonk@sbcglobal.net> >> To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 11:28:09 PM >> Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Braz family research >> >> Hi! >> I am trying to find relatives in the de Freitas Braz clan! >> My great grand father was John Freitas Braz 1866 Madeira, Portugal who >> immigrated to Hawaii as a child! >> He died in 1937 in Kilauea, Kauai, Hawaii! >> John Freitas Braz married Maria Cordoza de Jesus about 1887-1888 when she >> was >> 18! >> Maria was born May 20, 1869 in Madeira, Portugal and died Jan. 29, 1948! >> Maria's father was Francisco Gonzales Cordoza de Jesus, a whaler from >> Madeira, >> Portugal. >> My grandmother was Antonia Freitas Kung born Jan. 3, 1901 in Kilauea, >> Kauai, >> Hawaii died June 21, 1979 in Honolulu, Hawaii! >> My grandmother was buried at Diamond Head Memorial Park! >> Any connection you can find would be greatly appreciated! >> >> Thank You! >> >> William Monk >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
LOL Perfect, now I understand! From: Miguel de Castro Henriques [mailto:migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 7:10 AM To: cece@soccer4all.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] translation please Hello Cece, Long time no read... Well. "será lançado" is bureaucratic lingo, it means that the Lisbon baptism document is accpeted and will be inscribed (written) as valid in the Paróquia book. So the date of the baptism is indeed 1852, in Lisbon, being inscribed in 1869. To sum up :the date of the register of the baptism in Madeira is 1869, the date of the baptism 1852 in Lisbon. He was not a time-traveller ; -) Or a single person being born twice in two different places at different times.... Cheers, Miguel On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Cece Camara <cece@soccer4all.com> wrote: Came upon the following column notes on a baptism record at arquivo. The baptism is from 1869 but it says that he was born in 1852 and baptized in 1852 in Lisboa and (as translated) is now released (?) on the baptism date on this record Would like some help understanding the correct context of this baptism record as I dont want to misread it! Thanks, Cece Son João Father João Teixeira Dória Mother Maria Augusta Perestrelo Dória, D. Parish São Pedro Date 03-08-1869 Book 1373 Leaf 34-34 v.º Comments Abertura do termo de Baptismo de João nascido em 14.07.1852, baptizado em 22.07.1852, na igreja de Nossa Senhora da Conceição de Lisboa (Lv.º 19, fl. 76), e agora lançado em 03.08.1869. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2112/4833 - Release Date: 02/26/12
Came upon the following column notes on a baptism record at arquivo. The baptism is from 1869 but it says that he was born in 1852 and baptized in 1852 in Lisboa and (as translated) is now released (?) on the baptism date on this record Would like some help understanding the correct context of this baptism record as I dont want to misread it! Thanks, Cece Son João Father João Teixeira Dória Mother Maria Augusta Perestrelo Dória, D. Parish São Pedro Date 03-08-1869 Book 1373 Leaf 34-34 v.º Comments Abertura do termo de Baptismo de João nascido em 14.07.1852, baptizado em 22.07.1852, na igreja de Nossa Senhora da Conceição de Lisboa (Lv.º 19, fl. 76), e agora lançado em 03.08.1869.
hello William, There are indeed some Freitas Brasão (or Brazão) in Madeira. As well as some Freitas Brás (in the 19 th century). It could be possibleh the spelling of Brasão - which to sound laproximately) in Portuguese would have to be written Brazaungh - was shortened to Brás or Braz. In that time, in Poruguese both brasão and Brás were written with "z", so:. Brazão and Braz. What kind of indications that he was Brasão do you have? It's crucial to be sure of his name, because you can be part of the Brás or the Brasão. Other point to investigate is where was João de Freitas Brás (or Brasão) from? Knowing his bith place can help a lot, because the Freitas Brás are from one freguesia (kind pf district) the Freitas Brasão from another, The change of the name from Braz to Freitas is not strange. Do not expect a lot of logic in Portuguese names along one given family. In America (and cultural areas influenced by it) normally you just have name and surname. It's a good idea to exercise your head in thinking how they thought in that time ; -) Not quite like today. Genealogy lingks with philology, sociology, general psychological and history of course. It's a fun ride, anyway. Best of luck, Cheers, Miguel de Castro Henriques. On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 10:09 PM, William <wmonk@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Thank you very much Jose! > There are some indications that Braz is actually Brazao! > I am new at this especially the verification part so I must totally rely of > others for now! > My mothers family is especially hard as her father was Chinese (Mun Chin > Kung) > was some 13 years older than my grandmother Antonia Freitas! > They were married in Hanalei, Kauai, Hawii but the parents were listed as > her > brother and sister on the marriage certificate! > Strange I know but so was the name change from Braz to Freitas in the next > generation! > It will take a while until I can get my head around on this!!!! > Sometimes I think I must place myself back in time so I can understand how > they > thought back then! > I am deffinately a work in progress when it comes to finding relatives! > Again ...Thank You! > > William > > > > > ________________________________ > From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> > To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sat, February 25, 2012 10:42:28 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Braz family research > > William, > When it comes to Hawaii, one of the experts on this list is Thomas de > Freitas. I am assuming that he will join the discussion soon or later. > For the moment just some info for your consideration: > -Braz may be also spelled as Brás although I think Bráz may be more current > -John was baptised as João > -Cordoza should be Cardoso or in this case Cardosa. So her father would > have > been Francisco Gonçalves Cardoso/a de Jesus. Are you sure he also carried > Jesus? > -you don't have a parish for your ancestors. It is possible the Braz > family > acquired a passport. It perhaps should be listed . An archive search may > give > you something. See www.arquivo-madeira.org > -Maria's father, if he was a whaler he should be from Caniçal in the > Machico > district. This was certainly the whaling centre in the early 20th > century, but > there might be other possibilities. > When i have an opportunity I will also look in the archives. If I get > something > I will let you know. > > José Fernandes > > > > > ________________________________ > From: William <wmonk@sbcglobal.net> > To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 11:28:09 PM > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Braz family research > > Hi! > I am trying to find relatives in the de Freitas Braz clan! > My great grand father was John Freitas Braz 1866 Madeira, Portugal who > immigrated to Hawaii as a child! > He died in 1937 in Kilauea, Kauai, Hawaii! > John Freitas Braz married Maria Cordoza de Jesus about 1887-1888 when she > was > 18! > Maria was born May 20, 1869 in Madeira, Portugal and died Jan. 29, 1948! > Maria's father was Francisco Gonzales Cordoza de Jesus, a whaler from > Madeira, > Portugal. > My grandmother was Antonia Freitas Kung born Jan. 3, 1901 in Kilauea, > Kauai, > Hawaii died June 21, 1979 in Honolulu, Hawaii! > My grandmother was buried at Diamond Head Memorial Park! > Any connection you can find would be greatly appreciated! > > Thank You! > > William Monk > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Bob, I am sure we are not forgetting about you but Camacho and Santo António is a lot to digest! In our list archives you will find a lot of messages on these two topics. Santo António is not a village but a parish of the City of Funchal, the capital of Madeira. However it really was a village unto itself! The names you mention are not unfamiliar to me. Unfortunately my records are presently in a slight mess. I will get around to it! I am a Fernandes Veloza from Santo António and naturally we intermarried with a lot of the clans from there. If you can find an e-mail from Paulo Perneta around 2010 or earlier, he wrote about the clans of Santo António and the interesting characteristics of this parish which eventually dominated the economic life of Funchal- aside from the English colony. Paulo was to write a major work on this parish, but we seemed to have lost him on this list. If he is around I am going to Madeira for about 7 weeks this summer and I am looking for him! If I am not mistaken another member of this list, Miguel, wrote about the Camacho family which seems to have a couple of different origins. ...and then you add Bazenga! Well that's Santo António! The Bazengas are very much alive and still living in the parish. One of "them" was a Secretary in the Madeiran Regional government. On another note for all interested members of the list, I heard in the Madeiran newscast that Family Search has now signed an agreement with the Madeiran Government to access and digitalize all documents in the regional archives. it seems it is good news. I am not an user of family search. Could anyone tell me what it will change for us? Now I understand that it will take 4 years to complete the digitalization. I guess by then I will learn a couple of things. José Fernandes ________________________________ From: "BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com" <BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:23:00 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] New-bee Hi Everyone I am new to this good but not new to the only roots groups. I am throwing this out there and not sure of any rules I might break, so I am sorry if I do. I am researching my grandfathers family which are from village of Santo Antonio, Madeira, His name is José Pereira Camacho and was born 1898 and he had a brother name Antonio Pereira Camacho born 1895 they both came to US. I did find out that they had two other brothers and a sister with all died in there childhood. There parents where Joao Pereira Camacho and Antonia de Freitas fathers surname Basenga. If anyone has information would be helpful thanks Bob Camacho Researching the Island of Terceira for da Costa, Evangelho, Pacheco, Ferriera Researching the Island of Graciousa for Reis Researching the Island of Madeira for Camacho Researching Brazil for Evangelho ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
William, the message was a bit disjointed (at least in my computer). Note my previous note to Miguel. Faial is just next to S Jorge, so the location is very probable. have you checked the passport list? José Fernandes ________________________________ From: William <wmonk@sbcglobal.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 8:42:01 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Braz family research Hello Miguel! It is a pleasure to chat with you! Well while searching for relatives of the Braz family in the Arquivo Regional da Madeira database I didn't find family but in the same database in baptismal records I found 3 of the Brazao family name! I believe that my great great grandfathers name was Manuel de Freitas Braz(ao)!The 3 I found were as listed below! Son: Maria Joaquina Carolina Father: Manuel de Freitas Brazao Manuel de Freitas Brazao Vicente Teixeira Brazao Mother: Maria de Freitas Maria de Freitas Maria Joaquina de Freitas Parish: Faial Faial Faial Date: 09-08-1862 29-03-1860 08-04-1860 Book: 5854-A 5852-A 5852-A Leaf: 28 4-4v.0 4 v.o Comments: Setima do nome. Segunda do nome. none Now I know that the last one isn't Manuel but it could be a brother and his wife! So thats what makes me think in that direction! William ________________________________ From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, February 25, 2012 4:50:57 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Braz family research hello William, There are indeed some Freitas Brasão (or Brazão) in Madeira. As well as some Freitas Brás (in the 19 th century). It could be possibleh the spelling of Brasão - which to sound laproximately) in Portuguese would have to be written Brazaungh - was shortened to Brás or Braz. In that time, in Poruguese both brasão and Brás were written with "z", so:. Brazão and Braz. What kind of indications that he was Brasão do you have? It's crucial to be sure of his name, because you can be part of the Brás or the Brasão. Other point to investigate is where was João de Freitas Brás (or Brasão) from? Knowing his bith place can help a lot, because the Freitas Brás are from one freguesia (kind pf district) the Freitas Brasão from another, The change of the name from Braz to Freitas is not strange. Do not expect a lot of logic in Portuguese names along one given family. In America (and cultural areas influenced by it) normally you just have name and surname. It's a good idea to exercise your head in thinking how they thought in that time ; -) Not quite like today. Genealogy lingks with philology, sociology, general psychological and history of course. It's a fun ride, anyway. Best of luck, Cheers, Miguel de Castro Henriques. On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 10:09 PM, William <wmonk@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Thank you very much Jose! > There are some indications that Braz is actually Brazao! > I am new at this especially the verification part so I must totally rely of > others for now! > My mothers family is especially hard as her father was Chinese (Mun Chin > Kung) > was some 13 years older than my grandmother Antonia Freitas! > They were married in Hanalei, Kauai, Hawii but the parents were listed as > her > brother and sister on the marriage certificate! > Strange I know but so was the name change from Braz to Freitas in the next > generation! > It will take a while until I can get my head around on this!!!! > Sometimes I think I must place myself back in time so I can understand how > they > thought back then! > I am deffinately a work in progress when it comes to finding relatives! > Again ...Thank You! > > William > > > > > ________________________________ > From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> > To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sat, February 25, 2012 10:42:28 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Braz family research > > William, > When it comes to Hawaii, one of the experts on this list is Thomas de > Freitas. I am assuming that he will join the discussion soon or later. > For the moment just some info for your consideration: > -Braz may be also spelled as Brás although I think Bráz may be more current > -John was baptised as João > -Cordoza should be Cardoso or in this case Cardosa. So her father would > have > been Francisco Gonçalves Cardoso/a de Jesus. Are you sure he also carried > Jesus? > -you don't have a parish for your ancestors. It is possible the Braz > family > acquired a passport. It perhaps should be listed . An archive search may > give > you something. See www.arquivo-madeira.org > -Maria's father, if he was a whaler he should be from Caniçal in the > Machico > district. This was certainly the whaling centre in the early 20th > century, but > there might be other possibilities. > When i have an opportunity I will also look in the archives. If I get > something > I will let you know. > > José Fernandes > > > > > ________________________________ > From: William <wmonk@sbcglobal.net> > To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 11:28:09 PM > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Braz family research > > Hi! > I am trying to find relatives in the de Freitas Braz clan! > My great grand father was John Freitas Braz 1866 Madeira, Portugal who > immigrated to Hawaii as a child! > He died in 1937 in Kilauea, Kauai, Hawaii! > John Freitas Braz married Maria Cordoza de Jesus about 1887-1888 when she > was > 18! > Maria was born May 20, 1869 in Madeira, Portugal and died Jan. 29, 1948! > Maria's father was Francisco Gonzales Cordoza de Jesus, a whaler from > Madeira, > Portugal. > My grandmother was Antonia Freitas Kung born Jan. 3, 1901 in Kilauea, > Kauai, > Hawaii died June 21, 1979 in Honolulu, Hawaii! > My grandmother was buried at Diamond Head Memorial Park! > Any connection you can find would be greatly appreciated! > > Thank You! > > William Monk > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Miguel, What do you think of the Caniçal connection for maria's father? There might have been whalers in the north part or in Calheta, but other than the Machico area I am not aware of it. The Brazão family I knew were originally from S. Jorge in the north part. José Fernandes ________________________________ From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 7:50:57 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Braz family research hello William, There are indeed some Freitas Brasão (or Brazão) in Madeira. As well as some Freitas Brás (in the 19 th century). It could be possibleh the spelling of Brasão - which to sound laproximately) in Portuguese would have to be written Brazaungh - was shortened to Brás or Braz. In that time, in Poruguese both brasão and Brás were written with "z", so:. Brazão and Braz. What kind of indications that he was Brasão do you have? It's crucial to be sure of his name, because you can be part of the Brás or the Brasão. Other point to investigate is where was João de Freitas Brás (or Brasão) from? Knowing his bith place can help a lot, because the Freitas Brás are from one freguesia (kind pf district) the Freitas Brasão from another, The change of the name from Braz to Freitas is not strange. Do not expect a lot of logic in Portuguese names along one given family. In America (and cultural areas influenced by it) normally you just have name and surname. It's a good idea to exercise your head in thinking how they thought in that time ; -) Not quite like today. Genealogy lingks with philology, sociology, general psychological and history of course. It's a fun ride, anyway. Best of luck, Cheers, Miguel de Castro Henriques. On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 10:09 PM, William <wmonk@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Thank you very much Jose! > There are some indications that Braz is actually Brazao! > I am new at this especially the verification part so I must totally rely of > others for now! > My mothers family is especially hard as her father was Chinese (Mun Chin > Kung) > was some 13 years older than my grandmother Antonia Freitas! > They were married in Hanalei, Kauai, Hawii but the parents were listed as > her > brother and sister on the marriage certificate! > Strange I know but so was the name change from Braz to Freitas in the next > generation! > It will take a while until I can get my head around on this!!!! > Sometimes I think I must place myself back in time so I can understand how > they > thought back then! > I am deffinately a work in progress when it comes to finding relatives! > Again ...Thank You! > > William > > > > > ________________________________ > From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> > To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sat, February 25, 2012 10:42:28 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Braz family research > > William, > When it comes to Hawaii, one of the experts on this list is Thomas de > Freitas. I am assuming that he will join the discussion soon or later. > For the moment just some info for your consideration: > -Braz may be also spelled as Brás although I think Bráz may be more current > -John was baptised as João > -Cordoza should be Cardoso or in this case Cardosa. So her father would > have > been Francisco Gonçalves Cardoso/a de Jesus. Are you sure he also carried > Jesus? > -you don't have a parish for your ancestors. It is possible the Braz > family > acquired a passport. It perhaps should be listed . An archive search may > give > you something. See www.arquivo-madeira.org > -Maria's father, if he was a whaler he should be from Caniçal in the > Machico > district. This was certainly the whaling centre in the early 20th > century, but > there might be other possibilities. > When i have an opportunity I will also look in the archives. If I get > something > I will let you know. > > José Fernandes > > > > > ________________________________ > From: William <wmonk@sbcglobal.net> > To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 11:28:09 PM > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Braz family research > > Hi! > I am trying to find relatives in the de Freitas Braz clan! > My great grand father was John Freitas Braz 1866 Madeira, Portugal who > immigrated to Hawaii as a child! > He died in 1937 in Kilauea, Kauai, Hawaii! > John Freitas Braz married Maria Cordoza de Jesus about 1887-1888 when she > was > 18! > Maria was born May 20, 1869 in Madeira, Portugal and died Jan. 29, 1948! > Maria's father was Francisco Gonzales Cordoza de Jesus, a whaler from > Madeira, > Portugal. > My grandmother was Antonia Freitas Kung born Jan. 3, 1901 in Kilauea, > Kauai, > Hawaii died June 21, 1979 in Honolulu, Hawaii! > My grandmother was buried at Diamond Head Memorial Park! > Any connection you can find would be greatly appreciated! > > Thank You! > > William Monk > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello Miguel! It is a pleasure to chat with you! Well while searching for relatives of the Braz family in the Arquivo Regional da Madeira database I didn't find family but in the same database in baptismal records I found 3 of the Brazao family name! I believe that my great great grandfathers name was Manuel de Freitas Braz(ao)!The 3 I found were as listed below! Son: Maria Joaquina Carolina Father: Manuel de Freitas Brazao Manuel de Freitas Brazao Vicente Teixeira Brazao Mother: Maria de Freitas Maria de Freitas Maria Joaquina de Freitas Parish: Faial Faial Faial Date: 09-08-1862 29-03-1860 08-04-1860 Book: 5854-A 5852-A 5852-A Leaf: 28 4-4v.0 4 v.o Comments: Setima do nome. Segunda do nome. none Now I know that the last one isn't Manuel but it could be a brother and his wife! So thats what makes me think in that direction! William ________________________________ From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, February 25, 2012 4:50:57 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Braz family research hello William, There are indeed some Freitas Brasão (or Brazão) in Madeira. As well as some Freitas Brás (in the 19 th century). It could be possibleh the spelling of Brasão - which to sound laproximately) in Portuguese would have to be written Brazaungh - was shortened to Brás or Braz. In that time, in Poruguese both brasão and Brás were written with "z", so:. Brazão and Braz. What kind of indications that he was Brasão do you have? It's crucial to be sure of his name, because you can be part of the Brás or the Brasão. Other point to investigate is where was João de Freitas Brás (or Brasão) from? Knowing his bith place can help a lot, because the Freitas Brás are from one freguesia (kind pf district) the Freitas Brasão from another, The change of the name from Braz to Freitas is not strange. Do not expect a lot of logic in Portuguese names along one given family. In America (and cultural areas influenced by it) normally you just have name and surname. It's a good idea to exercise your head in thinking how they thought in that time ; -) Not quite like today. Genealogy lingks with philology, sociology, general psychological and history of course. It's a fun ride, anyway. Best of luck, Cheers, Miguel de Castro Henriques. On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 10:09 PM, William <wmonk@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Thank you very much Jose! > There are some indications that Braz is actually Brazao! > I am new at this especially the verification part so I must totally rely of > others for now! > My mothers family is especially hard as her father was Chinese (Mun Chin > Kung) > was some 13 years older than my grandmother Antonia Freitas! > They were married in Hanalei, Kauai, Hawii but the parents were listed as > her > brother and sister on the marriage certificate! > Strange I know but so was the name change from Braz to Freitas in the next > generation! > It will take a while until I can get my head around on this!!!! > Sometimes I think I must place myself back in time so I can understand how > they > thought back then! > I am deffinately a work in progress when it comes to finding relatives! > Again ...Thank You! > > William > > > > > ________________________________ > From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> > To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sat, February 25, 2012 10:42:28 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Braz family research > > William, > When it comes to Hawaii, one of the experts on this list is Thomas de > Freitas. I am assuming that he will join the discussion soon or later. > For the moment just some info for your consideration: > -Braz may be also spelled as Brás although I think Bráz may be more current > -John was baptised as João > -Cordoza should be Cardoso or in this case Cardosa. So her father would > have > been Francisco Gonçalves Cardoso/a de Jesus. Are you sure he also carried > Jesus? > -you don't have a parish for your ancestors. It is possible the Braz > family > acquired a passport. It perhaps should be listed . An archive search may > give > you something. See www.arquivo-madeira.org > -Maria's father, if he was a whaler he should be from Caniçal in the > Machico > district. This was certainly the whaling centre in the early 20th > century, but > there might be other possibilities. > When i have an opportunity I will also look in the archives. If I get > something > I will let you know. > > José Fernandes > > > > > ________________________________ > From: William <wmonk@sbcglobal.net> > To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 11:28:09 PM > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Braz family research > > Hi! > I am trying to find relatives in the de Freitas Braz clan! > My great grand father was John Freitas Braz 1866 Madeira, Portugal who > immigrated to Hawaii as a child! > He died in 1937 in Kilauea, Kauai, Hawaii! > John Freitas Braz married Maria Cordoza de Jesus about 1887-1888 when she > was > 18! > Maria was born May 20, 1869 in Madeira, Portugal and died Jan. 29, 1948! > Maria's father was Francisco Gonzales Cordoza de Jesus, a whaler from > Madeira, > Portugal. > My grandmother was Antonia Freitas Kung born Jan. 3, 1901 in Kilauea, > Kauai, > Hawaii died June 21, 1979 in Honolulu, Hawaii! > My grandmother was buried at Diamond Head Memorial Park! > Any connection you can find would be greatly appreciated! > > Thank You! > > William Monk > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thank you very much Jose! There are some indications that Braz is actually Brazao! I am new at this especially the verification part so I must totally rely of others for now! My mothers family is especially hard as her father was Chinese (Mun Chin Kung) was some 13 years older than my grandmother Antonia Freitas! They were married in Hanalei, Kauai, Hawii but the parents were listed as her brother and sister on the marriage certificate! Strange I know but so was the name change from Braz to Freitas in the next generation! It will take a while until I can get my head around on this!!!! Sometimes I think I must place myself back in time so I can understand how they thought back then! I am deffinately a work in progress when it comes to finding relatives! Again ...Thank You! William ________________________________ From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, February 25, 2012 10:42:28 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Braz family research William, When it comes to Hawaii, one of the experts on this list is Thomas de Freitas. I am assuming that he will join the discussion soon or later. For the moment just some info for your consideration: -Braz may be also spelled as Brás although I think Bráz may be more current -John was baptised as João -Cordoza should be Cardoso or in this case Cardosa. So her father would have been Francisco Gonçalves Cardoso/a de Jesus. Are you sure he also carried Jesus? -you don't have a parish for your ancestors. It is possible the Braz family acquired a passport. It perhaps should be listed . An archive search may give you something. See www.arquivo-madeira.org -Maria's father, if he was a whaler he should be from Caniçal in the Machico district. This was certainly the whaling centre in the early 20th century, but there might be other possibilities. When i have an opportunity I will also look in the archives. If I get something I will let you know. José Fernandes ________________________________ From: William <wmonk@sbcglobal.net> To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 11:28:09 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Braz family research Hi! I am trying to find relatives in the de Freitas Braz clan! My great grand father was John Freitas Braz 1866 Madeira, Portugal who immigrated to Hawaii as a child! He died in 1937 in Kilauea, Kauai, Hawaii! John Freitas Braz married Maria Cordoza de Jesus about 1887-1888 when she was 18! Maria was born May 20, 1869 in Madeira, Portugal and died Jan. 29, 1948! Maria's father was Francisco Gonzales Cordoza de Jesus, a whaler from Madeira, Portugal. My grandmother was Antonia Freitas Kung born Jan. 3, 1901 in Kilauea, Kauai, Hawaii died June 21, 1979 in Honolulu, Hawaii! My grandmother was buried at Diamond Head Memorial Park! Any connection you can find would be greatly appreciated! Thank You! William Monk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
William, When it comes to Hawaii, one of the experts on this list is Thomas de Freitas. I am assuming that he will join the discussion soon or later. For the moment just some info for your consideration: -Braz may be also spelled as Brás although I think Bráz may be more current -John was baptised as João -Cordoza should be Cardoso or in this case Cardosa. So her father would have been Francisco Gonçalves Cardoso/a de Jesus. Are you sure he also carried Jesus? -you don't have a parish for your ancestors. It is possible the Braz family acquired a passport. It perhaps should be listed . An archive search may give you something. See www.arquivo-madeira.org -Maria's father, if he was a whaler he should be from Caniçal in the Machico district. This was certainly the whaling centre in the early 20th century, but there might be other possibilities. When i have an opportunity I will also look in the archives. If I get something I will let you know. José Fernandes ________________________________ From: William <wmonk@sbcglobal.net> To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 11:28:09 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Braz family research Hi! I am trying to find relatives in the de Freitas Braz clan! My great grand father was John Freitas Braz 1866 Madeira, Portugal who immigrated to Hawaii as a child! He died in 1937 in Kilauea, Kauai, Hawaii! John Freitas Braz married Maria Cordoza de Jesus about 1887-1888 when she was 18! Maria was born May 20, 1869 in Madeira, Portugal and died Jan. 29, 1948! Maria's father was Francisco Gonzales Cordoza de Jesus, a whaler from Madeira, Portugal. My grandmother was Antonia Freitas Kung born Jan. 3, 1901 in Kilauea, Kauai, Hawaii died June 21, 1979 in Honolulu, Hawaii! My grandmother was buried at Diamond Head Memorial Park! Any connection you can find would be greatly appreciated! Thank You! William Monk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Everyone I am new to this good but not new to the only roots groups. I am throwing this out there and not sure of any rules I might break, so I am sorry if I do. I am researching my grandfathers family which are from village of Santo Antonio, Madeira, His name is José Pereira Camacho and was born 1898 and he had a brother name Antonio Pereira Camacho born 1895 they both came to US. I did find out that they had two other brothers and a sister with all died in there childhood. There parents where Joao Pereira Camacho and Antonia de Freitas fathers surname Basenga. If anyone has information would be helpful thanks Bob Camacho Researching the Island of Terceira for da Costa, Evangelho, Pacheco, Ferriera Researching the Island of Graciousa for Reis Researching the Island of Madeira for Camacho Researching Brazil for Evangelho
Hello. You should checkout the Madeira Archives at www.arquivo-madeira.org/homepage.php?lang=1. If you can read Portuguese remove everything from the ? to the end. It is pretty interesting on what you can find our within the archives. Good luck. On Feb 22, 2012 5:23 PM, <BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com> wrote: > Hi Everyone > I am new to this good but not new to the only roots groups. I am throwing > this out there and not sure of any rules I might break, so I am sorry if I > do. > I am researching my grandfathers family which are from village of Santo > Antonio, Madeira, His name is José Pereira Camacho and was born 1898 and > he > had a brother name Antonio Pereira Camacho born 1895 they both came to US. > I did find out that they had two other brothers and a sister with all died > in there childhood. There parents where Joao Pereira Camacho and Antonia > de Freitas fathers surname Basenga. If anyone has information would be > helpful > thanks > > > Bob Camacho > Researching the Island of Terceira for > da Costa, Evangelho, Pacheco, Ferriera > Researching the Island of Graciousa for > Reis > Researching the Island of Madeira for > Camacho > Researching Brazil for > Evangelho > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Tom Freitas, Thank you for you time and effort. One question since I new to this....How do I go about ordering the documents? Whom do I write to? Looking again for guidance and direction. Again I thank you, Lou Henderson Calif. On Feb 22, 2012, prt-madeira-request@rootsweb.com wrote: ______________________________________________________________ Today's Topics: 1. Joao Goncalves Lourenco and Antonia de Agrela (Lou Henderson) 2. Re: Joao Goncalves Lourenco and Antonia de Agrela (Thomas Freitas) 3. Re: Joao Goncalves Lourenco and Antonia de Agrela (Thomas Freitas) 4. Re: Joao Goncalves Lourenco and Antonia de Agrela (Thomas Freitas) 5. Braz family research (William) ______________________________________________________________ Joao Goncalves Lourenco and Antonia de Agrela (Wife) left Madeira in 1885 and arriving in the Sandwich Islands on 4 March 1886 aboard the SS Sterlingshire. I am seeking information about their children, parents and dates...especially of their parents. I was told Joao parents were Antonio Goncalves Lourenco and Antonia Rodrigues of Faja da Ovelha. His wife's parent being. Antonion de Garela Pinto and Luzia de Agrela of Prazeres, Calheta, Madria. Looking for documentation of the above and possible dates of births and deaths. Thanks for any information or direction. Lou Henderson Calif. ______________________________________________________________ Here is what I found; Marriage Record Husband: João Gonçalves Lourenço Wife: Antónia de Agrela Parish: Prazeres Year Married 1867 Book: 4975 Leaf/Page 5 Their Passport shows the following; Petitioner João Gonçalves Lourenço Spouse Antónia de Agrela Parish/Country Fajã da Ovelha-RAM Destination Estrangeiro Year 1885 Process Nº 111 Passport Nº 225 Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 12-05-1844 Age (Petitioner) 41 Father (Petitioner) António Gonçalves Lourenço Mother (Petitioner) Antónia Rodrigues Father (Spouse) António de Garela Pinto Mother (Spouse) Luzia de Agrela Name of the Children João Gonçalves Lourenço (13 anos), António Gonçalves Lourenço (10 anos), Francisco (5 anos) e Maria (1 ano) My great grandparents, Antonio da Silva and Julia de Agrela where on the same ship in 1885 Tom Freitas -----Original Message----- From: [1]prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [[2]mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lou Henderson Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:21 PM To: [3]PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Joao Goncalves Lourenco and Antonia de Agrela Joao Goncalves Lourenco and Antonia de Agrela (Wife) left Madeira in 1885 and arriving in the Sandwich Islands on 4 March 1886 aboard the SS Sterlingshire. I am seeking information about their children, parents and dates...especially of their parents. I was told Joao parents were Antonio Goncalves Lourenco and Antonia Rodrigues of Faja da Ovelha. His wife's parent being. Antonion de Garela Pinto and Luzia de Agrela of Prazeres, Calheta, Madria. Looking for documentation of the above and possible dates of births and deaths. Thanks for any information or direction. Lou Henderson Calif. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [4]PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________________________ Lou, If you click on [5]www.railsoft.com/family/stirlingshire.jpg you will see a picture of the actual ship. There were two ships with the name Stirlingshire. The ship that your ancestors and mine sailed on was a smaller wooden hulled vessel built in New Zealand in 1848, pictured above. Her home port in 1885 - 1886 was Youghal, County Cork, Ireland, and her official number was 24868. The signal flag letters were PCNT. There is a book that has a great detail description of the voyage on that ship in 1885 by a Mr. Philip L. Pasquini. The book is call "Indentured Immigrants - A Jewish family odyssey from Madeira to the Sandwhich Islands". If you would like to order the book, you can contact him directly at [6]pasquini99@comcast.net Good Luck, Tom Freitas -----Original Message----- From: [7]prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [[8]mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lou Henderson Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:21 PM To: [9]PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Joao Goncalves Lourenco and Antonia de Agrela Joao Goncalves Lourenco and Antonia de Agrela (Wife) left Madeira in 1885 and arriving in the Sandwich Islands on 4 March 1886 aboard the SS Sterlingshire. I am seeking information about their children, parents and dates...especially of their parents. I was told Joao parents were Antonio Goncalves Lourenco and Antonia Rodrigues of Faja da Ovelha. His wife's parent being. Antonion de Garela Pinto and Luzia de Agrela of Prazeres, Calheta, Madria. Looking for documentation of the above and possible dates of births and deaths. Thanks for any information or direction. Lou Henderson Calif. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [10]PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________________________ Lou, Here is some more; Marriage: Husband: António Gonçalves de Lourenço Wife: Antónia Rodrigues Parish: Fajã da Ovelha Year: 1839 Book: 1096 Leaf/Page 41 Once you order all the documents that I sent, you will have a lot more information and a lot more relatives. Tom Freitas -----Original Message----- From: [11]prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [[12]mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lou Henderson Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:21 PM To: [13]PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Joao Goncalves Lourenco and Antonia de Agrela Joao Goncalves Lourenco and Antonia de Agrela (Wife) left Madeira in 1885 and arriving in the Sandwich Islands on 4 March 1886 aboard the SS Sterlingshire. I am seeking information about their children, parents and dates...especially of their parents. I was told Joao parents were Antonio Goncalves Lourenco and Antonia Rodrigues of Faja da Ovelha. His wife's parent being. Antonion de Garela Pinto and Luzia de Agrela of Prazeres, Calheta, Madria. Looking for documentation of the above and possible dates of births and deaths. Thanks for any information or direction. Lou Henderson Calif. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [14]PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________________________ Hi! I am trying to find relatives in the de Freitas Braz clan! My great grand father was John Freitas Braz 1866 Madeira, Portugal who immigrated to Hawaii as a child! He died in 1937 in Kilauea, Kauai, Hawaii! John Freitas Braz married Maria Cordoza de Jesus about 1887-1888 when she was 18! Maria was born May 20, 1869 in Madeira, Portugal and died Jan. 29, 1948! Maria's father was Francisco Gonzales Cordoza de Jesus, a whaler from Madeira, Portugal. My grandmother was Antonia Freitas Kung born Jan. 3, 1901 in Kilauea, Kauai, Hawaii died June 21, 1979 in Honolulu, Hawaii! My grandmother was buried at Diamond Head Memorial Park! Any connection you can find would be greatly appreciated! Thank You! William Monk ______________________________________________________________ To contact the PRT-MADEIRA list administrator, send an email to [15]PRT-MADEIRA-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the PRT-MADEIRA mailing list, send an email to [16]PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [17]PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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Lou, send an email to: Regina Nóbrega <reginanobrega@arquivo-madeira.org>; giving her all the information that Tom gave you. The trick is how to pay ARM ( I send euro cash)( I also register the mail so I have a signature) The banks in Europe will not accept bank drafts or personal checks anymore. all the contact info is on this site; http://www.arquivo-madeira.org/item1.php?lang=1&id_channel=30&id_page=216 get very familiar to this site is is well laid out but tricky to,use at first. Cheers Philip ________________________________ From: Lou Henderson <lou_henderson@lycos.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:46:44 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] PRT-MADEIRA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 12 Tom Freitas, Thank you for you time and effort. One question since I new to this....How do I go about ordering the documents? Whom do I write to? Looking again for guidance and direction. Again I thank you, Lou Henderson Calif. On Feb 22, 2012, prt-madeira-request@rootsweb.com wrote: ______________________________________________________________ Today's Topics: 1. Joao Goncalves Lourenco and Antonia de Agrela (Lou Henderson) 2. Re: Joao Goncalves Lourenco and Antonia de Agrela (Thomas Freitas) 3. Re: Joao Goncalves Lourenco and Antonia de Agrela (Thomas Freitas) 4. Re: Joao Goncalves Lourenco and Antonia de Agrela (Thomas Freitas) 5. Braz family research (William) ______________________________________________________________ Joao Goncalves Lourenco and Antonia de Agrela (Wife) left Madeira in 1885 and arriving in the Sandwich Islands on 4 March 1886 aboard the SS Sterlingshire. I am seeking information about their children, parents and dates...especially of their parents. I was told Joao parents were Antonio Goncalves Lourenco and Antonia Rodrigues of Faja da Ovelha. His wife's parent being. Antonion de Garela Pinto and Luzia de Agrela of Prazeres, Calheta, Madria. Looking for documentation of the above and possible dates of births and deaths. Thanks for any information or direction. Lou Henderson Calif. ______________________________________________________________ Here is what I found; Marriage Record Husband: João Gonçalves Lourenço Wife: Antónia de Agrela Parish: Prazeres Year Married 1867 Book: 4975 Leaf/Page 5 Their Passport shows the following; Petitioner João Gonçalves Lourenço Spouse Antónia de Agrela Parish/Country Fajã da Ovelha-RAM Destination Estrangeiro Year 1885 Process Nº 111 Passport Nº 225 Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 12-05-1844 Age (Petitioner) 41 Father (Petitioner) António Gonçalves Lourenço Mother (Petitioner) Antónia Rodrigues Father (Spouse) António de Garela Pinto Mother (Spouse) Luzia de Agrela Name of the Children João Gonçalves Lourenço (13 anos), António Gonçalves Lourenço (10 anos), Francisco (5 anos) e Maria (1 ano) My great grandparents, Antonio da Silva and Julia de Agrela where on the same ship in 1885 Tom Freitas -----Original Message----- From: [1]prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [[2]mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lou Henderson Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:21 PM To: [3]PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Joao Goncalves Lourenco and Antonia de Agrela Joao Goncalves Lourenco and Antonia de Agrela (Wife) left Madeira in 1885 and arriving in the Sandwich Islands on 4 March 1886 aboard the SS Sterlingshire. I am seeking information about their children, parents and dates...especially of their parents. I was told Joao parents were Antonio Goncalves Lourenco and Antonia Rodrigues of Faja da Ovelha. His wife's parent being. Antonion de Garela Pinto and Luzia de Agrela of Prazeres, Calheta, Madria. Looking for documentation of the above and possible dates of births and deaths. Thanks for any information or direction. Lou Henderson Calif. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [4]PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________________________ Lou, If you click on [5]www.railsoft.com/family/stirlingshire.jpg you will see a picture of the actual ship. There were two ships with the name Stirlingshire. The ship that your ancestors and mine sailed on was a smaller wooden hulled vessel built in New Zealand in 1848, pictured above. Her home port in 1885 - 1886 was Youghal, County Cork, Ireland, and her official number was 24868. The signal flag letters were PCNT. There is a book that has a great detail description of the voyage on that ship in 1885 by a Mr. Philip L. Pasquini. The book is call "Indentured Immigrants - A Jewish family odyssey from Madeira to the Sandwhich Islands". If you would like to order the book, you can contact him directly at [6]pasquini99@comcast.net Good Luck, Tom Freitas -----Original Message----- From: [7]prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [[8]mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lou Henderson Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:21 PM To: [9]PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Joao Goncalves Lourenco and Antonia de Agrela Joao Goncalves Lourenco and Antonia de Agrela (Wife) left Madeira in 1885 and arriving in the Sandwich Islands on 4 March 1886 aboard the SS Sterlingshire. I am seeking information about their children, parents and dates...especially of their parents. I was told Joao parents were Antonio Goncalves Lourenco and Antonia Rodrigues of Faja da Ovelha. His wife's parent being. Antonion de Garela Pinto and Luzia de Agrela of Prazeres, Calheta, Madria. Looking for documentation of the above and possible dates of births and deaths. Thanks for any information or direction. Lou Henderson Calif. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [10]PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________________________ Lou, Here is some more; Marriage: Husband: António Gonçalves de Lourenço Wife: Antónia Rodrigues Parish: Fajã da Ovelha Year: 1839 Book: 1096 Leaf/Page 41 Once you order all the documents that I sent, you will have a lot more information and a lot more relatives. Tom Freitas -----Original Message----- From: [11]prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [[12]mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lou Henderson Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:21 PM To: [13]PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Joao Goncalves Lourenco and Antonia de Agrela Joao Goncalves Lourenco and Antonia de Agrela (Wife) left Madeira in 1885 and arriving in the Sandwich Islands on 4 March 1886 aboard the SS Sterlingshire. I am seeking information about their children, parents and dates...especially of their parents. I was told Joao parents were Antonio Goncalves Lourenco and Antonia Rodrigues of Faja da Ovelha. His wife's parent being. Antonion de Garela Pinto and Luzia de Agrela of Prazeres, Calheta, Madria. Looking for documentation of the above and possible dates of births and deaths. Thanks for any information or direction. Lou Henderson Calif. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [14]PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________________________ Hi! I am trying to find relatives in the de Freitas Braz clan! My great grand father was John Freitas Braz 1866 Madeira, Portugal who immigrated to Hawaii as a child! He died in 1937 in Kilauea, Kauai, Hawaii! John Freitas Braz married Maria Cordoza de Jesus about 1887-1888 when she was 18! Maria was born May 20, 1869 in Madeira, Portugal and died Jan. 29, 1948! Maria's father was Francisco Gonzales Cordoza de Jesus, a whaler from Madeira, Portugal. My grandmother was Antonia Freitas Kung born Jan. 3, 1901 in Kilauea, Kauai, Hawaii died June 21, 1979 in Honolulu, Hawaii! My grandmother was buried at Diamond Head Memorial Park! Any connection you can find would be greatly appreciated! 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William, Here are all the de Freitas leaving Madeira with a son called João ( John) António de Freitas Ana Maria Augusta Santa Maria Maior-RAM Hawai 1883 34 94 António de Freitas Ludovina Rosa Camacha-RAM Hawai 1883 34 48 Domingos de Freitas Capela Joana de Freitas to António da Serra-RAM Hawai 1884 44 19 Francisco de Freitas Josefa da Luz Vieira Câmara de Lobos-RAM Hawai 1879 20 91 Francisco de Freitas Maria da Encarnação Curral das Freiras-RAM Hawai 1883 34 81 Francisco de Freitas Carolina de Jesus Santa Maria Maior-RAM Hawai 1906 134-B 17 Januário de Freitas Perpétua de Jesus São Vicente-RAM Hawai 1885 50 133 Januário de Freitas Perpétua de Jesus Senhorinha Pestana São Vicente-RAM [Hawai] 1886 54 69 João de Freitas Maria Balbina de Freitas São Pedro-RAM Hawai 1884 41 17 João de Freitas Maria de Jesus Camacha-RAM Hawai 1883 36 105 João de Freitas Ludovina de Jesus Caniço-RAM Hawai 1884 39 153 João de Freitas Virgínia Augusta Machico-RAM Hawai 1883 34 30 João de Freitas da Silva Júlia Augusta do Espírito Santo Est.º de Câmara de Lobos-RAM Hawai 1883 34 70 João de Freitas de Jesus Maria Ana Teixeira Faial-RAM Hawai 1884 45 12 João de Freitas Spínola Maria Joaquina do Espírito Santo Maria Machico-RAM Hawai 1884 43 47 João de Freitas Teotónio Claudina Gomes Camacho Faial-RAM Hawai 1884 43 96 João Ferreira de Freitas Maria Rosa Faial-RAM Hawai 1884 43 35 João Gaudêncio de Freitas Maria de Jesus Maria de Jesus Monte-RAM Hawai 1907 136 95 Joaquim de Freitas Maria de Jesus Machico-RAM Hawai 1906 134-A 96 José de Freitas Maria de Jesus Machico-RAM Hawai 1883 36 19 José de Freitas Miranda Augusta de Nóbrega Santo António da Serra-RAM Hawai 1884 43 45 José de Freitas Vieira Alexandrina Marques Faial-RAM Hawai 1901 118 165 Manuel de Freitas Caires Maria de Freitas Chaves Faial-RAM Hawai 1884 43 80 Manuel de Freitas da Silva Joaquina de Freitas Faial-RAM Hawai 1884 40 6 Manuel de Freitas da Silva Maria Rosa de Jesus Porto da Cruz-RAM Hawai 1884 46 24 Manuel Joaquim de Freitas Ludovina de Jesus Júlia de Jesus Porto da Cruz-RAM Hawai 1879 20 1 Miguel Moniz de Freitas Teresa da Conceição Santa Maria Maior-RAM Hawai 1907 135 127 http://www.arquivo-madeira.org/item1.php?lang=1&id_channel=28&id_page=214 Cheers & good luck Philip ________________________________ From: William <wmonk@sbcglobal.net> To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 11:28:09 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Braz family research Hi! I am trying to find relatives in the de Freitas Braz clan! My great grand father was John Freitas Braz 1866 Madeira, Portugal who immigrated to Hawaii as a child! He died in 1937 in Kilauea, Kauai, Hawaii! John Freitas Braz married Maria Cordoza de Jesus about 1887-1888 when she was 18! Maria was born May 20, 1869 in Madeira, Portugal and died Jan. 29, 1948! Maria's father was Francisco Gonzales Cordoza de Jesus, a whaler from Madeira, Portugal. My grandmother was Antonia Freitas Kung born Jan. 3, 1901 in Kilauea, Kauai, Hawaii died June 21, 1979 in Honolulu, Hawaii! My grandmother was buried at Diamond Head Memorial Park! Any connection you can find would be greatly appreciated! Thank You! William Monk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message