You will likely need a bit more information to use the passport database on Arquivo-Madeira.org to determine a lineage. When did she leave Madeira, roughly? Did she leave very young, with her parents or later? Single or married when she left? How do you know that her parents are Luis Joao Pereira and Maria da Encarnacao are her parents? There is a lot on Sao Pedro online at ARMdigital.arquivo-madeira.com, so you can hunt around there and see the actual record itself. Sometimes, there is info in the averbamente that is in the margins of the record, such as death and marriages, even if in a foreign country. Jeff On Apr 15, 2012, at 11:14 PM, Lou Henderson wrote: Looking for information on Luis Joao Pereira, born 1847 Sao Pedro, Funchal, Maderia, Portugal and his wife Maria da Encarnacao, birth? but from Sao Pedro, Funchal, Maderia, Portugal....Trying to find out if Maria Pereira born 1887 Hawaii was related to them. Maria Pereira is my grand mother. Thanks, Lou ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Looking for information on Luis Joao Pereira, born 1847 Sao Pedro, Funchal, Maderia, Portugal and his wife Maria da Encarnacao, birth? but from Sao Pedro, Funchal, Maderia, Portugal....Trying to find out if Maria Pereira born 1887 Hawaii was related to them. Maria Pereira is my grand mother. Thanks, Lou

Miguel means the first name is missing (not the surname) since Pereira André is a family name :) If you have an address you may want to use google earth to find out where in Oeiras it is, it may no longer exist. If by electoroll you mean census Portugal does not have those online, I don't even know if they took them back then. You would have to contact the municipality of Oeiras and see if they can help you in any way http://www.cm-oeiras.pt/cmunicipio/Paginas/cmo_homepage.aspx - it is in portuguese but their e-mail address is on the bottom of the page.   Good luck, Luis Beal "Not to know what happened before we were born is to remain perpetually a child. For what is the worth of a human life unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors." Cicero, Roman orator >________________________________ > From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> >To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 8:21 AM >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Pereira - Oeiras > >Hello Joanna, > >What's the full name (name and surname) of that female .  Pereira André is >a composed name. surname is missing. No female would be called just Pereira >André... >Where was she born? >Oeiras is a village in Continental Portugal, between Lisbon (the capital). >and Estoril (the famous holidays resort)  So, not in Madeira. >What is her connection to Madeira? > >What is Electroroll? > >Good luck, > >Miguel de Castro Henriques > > > >On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Joanna martin <ladyjoannam@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Hi, I am a beginner and in need of  some help in finding female >> Pereira Andre in Oeries, c1930's i have an address , how do i find out >> house information and Electoroll rolls. thank you >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hello Joanna, What's the full name (name and surname) of that female . Pereira André is a composed name. surname is missing. No female would be called just Pereira André... Where was she born? Oeiras is a village in Continental Portugal, between Lisbon (the capital). and Estoril (the famous holidays resort) So, not in Madeira. What is her connection to Madeira? What is Electroroll? Good luck, Miguel de Castro Henriques On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Joanna martin <ladyjoannam@gmail.com>wrote: > Hi, I am a beginner and in need of some help in finding female > Pereira Andre in Oeries, c1930's i have an address , how do i find out > house information and Electoroll rolls. thank you > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, I am a beginner and in need of some help in finding female Pereira Andre in Oeries, c1930's i have an address , how do i find out house information and Electoroll rolls. thank you

Indeed. I was aware of that, But she is from S- Vicente which is on the other side, Apart from tthat there are a lot of Fajãs. Miguel de Castro Henriques On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Thomas Freitas <family@railsoft.com> wrote: > There is also de Fajã da Ovelha which is on the Southwest side of the > island. > > Tom Freitas > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JOSE FERNANDES > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 6:49 PM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Feijão da Velha > > Eusébio, > Fajã da Velha changes everything. I thought Feijão Velho may have been a > nickname but not this one. > Good luck. I shall be there in August also. > > José Fernandes > > > ________________________________ > From: eusebio <ecorreia@rogers.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 9:26:05 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Feijão da Velha > > Thanks to everyone for their contribution, it is greatly appreciated. > > We are actually planning a family trip to Madeira this August after an > absence of some 25 years and wanted to locate my mother's place of birth, > she insists it is called Feijao da Velha and may have once been a paroquia > in Sao Vicente, she was orphaned at the age of 10 after her mother's death > in 1942, father unable to take care of her and her 3 siblings, many were > scattered around relatives homes, she ended up in an orphanage somewhere on > the island, in her teens she settled in Camara de Lobos and married my > father a Nunes da Silva from S. Martinho. > > My maternal grandmother was named Maria Graca de Jesus and was born around > 1906 in Brazil; apparently her mother had immigrated to Brazil from Sao > Vicente around the turn of the century and returned with my grandmother > after her husband became adulterous. > > > It's all pretty sketchy but I was hoping to visit the parish in Sao Vicente > and get a copy of her baptismal record and possibility any information on > her mother or grandparents. > > Jose Fernandes is probably correct Feijao da Velha may be a nickname or > "alcunha". > > > Regards, > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JOSE FERNANDES > Sent: April-09-12 9:48 AM > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Feijão Velho > > It should be Fajã da Areia (sand). It is a small port area, about 2km from > the village.I checked Elucidário Madeirense V.III) and it doesn't list > Feijão Velho as a sitio in S. Vicente. However, they only list about a > dozen > places. Among them Fajã dos Vinháticos. This is closer to wine than beans! > I came across 2 interesting place names: Fajã dos > Judeus(indicating Jewish presence in this area) and Saramago , which surely > is not named after the only Portuguese Nobel of literature. Just an > interesting coincidence, although his daughter lives in Madeira. > There is also an interesting creek "ribeira" named Hell (Inferno). If you > have been to S.Vicente it fits. > I am not sure of the context of the name that Eusébio refers to. It seems > to > me that is more a "alcunha" (nickname ) than a place. > My other piece of "wisdom" is to e-mail the place and ask them. > > > > José Fernandes > > > ________________________________ > From: JAndrade1 <JAndrade1@verizon.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 7:41:37 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Feijão Velho > > As I remember from my father / uncle, both Sao Vicente natives, there is a > place in Sao Vicente going towards Sao Jorge (East) called Faja de Area. > Could that be it? What is your family there? With all of us online, I would > bet we could help. > Jeff Andrade > > On Apr 9, 2012, at 6:02 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: > > Hello Eusébio, > > I think that instead of Feijão Velho (Old Bean...) it could it be Fajã > Velha. > > There is one in São Martinho...As you say it's in the vicinity of São > Vicente, which is on the opposite side, it has to be discarded- > > Searching for other homophonic names there is also Fajã da Ovelha, but not > in São Vicente or nearby. It's in Calheta. > > In any case here is the meaning of Fajâ (theree are several in Madeira , as > well in Açores) : > > O topónimo *Fajã *ou o seu plural *Fajãs *são nomes típicos dos > arquipélagos > dos Açores e da Madeira, cuja origem se encontra em *fajã*, «pequena > extensão de terreno plano, susceptível de cultura, geralmente à beira-mar», > conforme nos explica José Pedro Machado, no *Dicionário Onomástico > Etimológico da Língua Portuguesa* > > To sum up "Fajã is a small extension of flat land, where it is possible to > farm, usually by the seaside." > > Could you check again to see whether the spelling you send is accurate? > > Best, > > Miguel > > > On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 1:05 AM, leandro deoliveira > <gregobhte1@aol.com>wrote: > > > Hi Eusebio > > > > I havent. However, my family comes from Sao Vicente. > > > > Can you write me privately and let me know your family connections in > > there? gregobhte1@aol.com > > > > Thanks > > > > Leandro > > On 8 Apr 2012, at 17:00, eusebio wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> > >> Fellow members, just wondering if anyone has ever heard of a place > >> called Feijão Velho in the vicinity of Sao Vicente? > >> > >> Best regards > >> eusebio > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There is also de Fajã da Ovelha which is on the Southwest side of the island. Tom Freitas -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JOSE FERNANDES Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 6:49 PM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Feijão da Velha Eusébio, Fajã da Velha changes everything. I thought Feijão Velho may have been a nickname but not this one. Good luck. I shall be there in August also.   José Fernandes ________________________________ From: eusebio <ecorreia@rogers.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 9:26:05 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Feijão da Velha Thanks to everyone for their contribution, it is greatly appreciated. We are actually planning a family trip to Madeira this August after an absence of some 25 years and wanted to locate my mother's place of birth, she  insists it is called Feijao da Velha and may have once been a paroquia in  Sao Vicente, she was orphaned at the age of 10 after her mother's death in 1942, father unable to take care of her and her 3 siblings, many were scattered around relatives homes, she ended up in an orphanage somewhere on the island, in her teens she settled in Camara de Lobos and married my father a Nunes da Silva from S. Martinho. My maternal grandmother was named Maria Graca de Jesus and was born around 1906 in Brazil; apparently her mother had immigrated to Brazil from Sao Vicente around the turn of the century and returned with my grandmother after her husband became adulterous. It's all pretty sketchy but I was hoping to visit the parish in Sao Vicente and get a copy of her baptismal record and possibility any information on her mother or grandparents. Jose Fernandes is probably correct Feijao da Velha may be a nickname or "alcunha". Regards, -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JOSE FERNANDES Sent: April-09-12 9:48 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Feijão Velho It should be Fajã da Areia (sand). It is a small port area, about 2km from the village.I checked Elucidário Madeirense V.III) and it doesn't list Feijão Velho as a sitio in S. Vicente. However, they only list about a dozen places. Among them Fajã dos Vinháticos. This is closer to wine than beans!  I came across 2 interesting place names: Fajã dos Judeus(indicating Jewish presence in this area) and Saramago , which surely is not named after the only Portuguese Nobel of literature. Just an interesting coincidence, although his daughter lives in Madeira. There is also an interesting creek "ribeira" named Hell (Inferno). If you have been to S.Vicente it fits. I am not sure of the context of the name that Eusébio refers to. It seems to me that is more a "alcunha" (nickname ) than a place. My other piece of "wisdom" is to e-mail the place and ask them.     José Fernandes ________________________________ From: JAndrade1 <JAndrade1@verizon.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 7:41:37 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Feijão Velho As I remember from my father / uncle, both Sao Vicente natives, there is a place in Sao Vicente going towards Sao Jorge (East) called Faja de Area. Could that be it? What is your family there? With all of us online, I would bet we could help. Jeff Andrade On Apr 9, 2012, at 6:02 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: Hello Eusébio, I think that instead of Feijão Velho (Old Bean...) it could it be Fajã Velha. There is one in São Martinho...As you say it's in the vicinity of São Vicente, which is on the opposite side, it has to be discarded- Searching for other homophonic names there is also Fajã da Ovelha, but not in São Vicente or nearby. It's in Calheta. In any case here is the meaning of Fajâ (theree are several in Madeira , as well in Açores) : O topónimo *Fajã *ou o seu plural *Fajãs *são nomes típicos dos arquipélagos dos Açores e da Madeira, cuja origem se encontra em *fajã*, «pequena extensão de terreno plano, susceptível de cultura, geralmente à beira-mar», conforme nos explica José Pedro Machado, no *Dicionário Onomástico Etimológico da Língua Portuguesa* To sum up  "Fajã is a small extension of flat land, where it is possible to farm, usually by the seaside." Could you check again to see whether the spelling you send is accurate? Best, Miguel On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 1:05 AM, leandro deoliveira <gregobhte1@aol.com>wrote: > Hi Eusebio > > I havent. However, my family comes from Sao Vicente. > > Can you write me privately and let me know your family connections in > there? gregobhte1@aol.com > > Thanks > > Leandro > On 8 Apr 2012, at 17:00, eusebio wrote: > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> Fellow members, just wondering if anyone has ever heard of a place >> called Feijão Velho in the vicinity of Sao Vicente? >> >> Best regards >> eusebio >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to everyone for their contribution, it is greatly appreciated. We are actually planning a family trip to Madeira this August after an absence of some 25 years and wanted to locate my mother's place of birth, she insists it is called Feijao da Velha and may have once been a paroquia in Sao Vicente, she was orphaned at the age of 10 after her mother's death in 1942, father unable to take care of her and her 3 siblings, many were scattered around relatives homes, she ended up in an orphanage somewhere on the island, in her teens she settled in Camara de Lobos and married my father a Nunes da Silva from S. Martinho. My maternal grandmother was named Maria Graca de Jesus and was born around 1906 in Brazil; apparently her mother had immigrated to Brazil from Sao Vicente around the turn of the century and returned with my grandmother after her husband became adulterous. It's all pretty sketchy but I was hoping to visit the parish in Sao Vicente and get a copy of her baptismal record and possibility any information on her mother or grandparents. Jose Fernandes is probably correct Feijao da Velha may be a nickname or "alcunha". Regards, -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JOSE FERNANDES Sent: April-09-12 9:48 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Feijão Velho It should be Fajã da Areia (sand). It is a small port area, about 2km from the village.I checked Elucidário Madeirense V.III) and it doesn't list Feijão Velho as a sitio in S. Vicente. However, they only list about a dozen places. Among them Fajã dos Vinháticos. This is closer to wine than beans!  I came across 2 interesting place names: Fajã dos Judeus(indicating Jewish presence in this area) and Saramago , which surely is not named after the only Portuguese Nobel of literature. Just an interesting coincidence, although his daughter lives in Madeira. There is also an interesting creek "ribeira" named Hell (Inferno). If you have been to S.Vicente it fits. I am not sure of the context of the name that Eusébio refers to. It seems to me that is more a "alcunha" (nickname ) than a place. My other piece of "wisdom" is to e-mail the place and ask them.     José Fernandes ________________________________ From: JAndrade1 <JAndrade1@verizon.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 7:41:37 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Feijão Velho As I remember from my father / uncle, both Sao Vicente natives, there is a place in Sao Vicente going towards Sao Jorge (East) called Faja de Area. Could that be it? What is your family there? With all of us online, I would bet we could help. Jeff Andrade On Apr 9, 2012, at 6:02 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: Hello Eusébio, I think that instead of Feijão Velho (Old Bean...) it could it be Fajã Velha. There is one in São Martinho...As you say it's in the vicinity of São Vicente, which is on the opposite side, it has to be discarded- Searching for other homophonic names there is also Fajã da Ovelha, but not in São Vicente or nearby. It's in Calheta. In any case here is the meaning of Fajâ (theree are several in Madeira , as well in Açores) : O topónimo *Fajã *ou o seu plural *Fajãs *são nomes típicos dos arquipélagos dos Açores e da Madeira, cuja origem se encontra em *fajã*, «pequena extensão de terreno plano, susceptível de cultura, geralmente à beira-mar», conforme nos explica José Pedro Machado, no *Dicionário Onomástico Etimológico da Língua Portuguesa* To sum up  "Fajã is a small extension of flat land, where it is possible to farm, usually by the seaside." Could you check again to see whether the spelling you send is accurate? Best, Miguel On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 1:05 AM, leandro deoliveira <gregobhte1@aol.com>wrote: > Hi Eusebio > > I havent. However, my family comes from Sao Vicente. > > Can you write me privately and let me know your family connections in > there? gregobhte1@aol.com > > Thanks > > Leandro > On 8 Apr 2012, at 17:00, eusebio wrote: > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> Fellow members, just wondering if anyone has ever heard of a place called >> Feijão Velho in the vicinity of Sao Vicente? >> >> Best regards >> eusebio >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Eusébio, Fajã da Velha changes everything. I thought Feijão Velho may have been a nickname but not this one. Good luck. I shall be there in August also.   José Fernandes ________________________________ From: eusebio <ecorreia@rogers.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 9:26:05 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Feijão da Velha Thanks to everyone for their contribution, it is greatly appreciated. We are actually planning a family trip to Madeira this August after an absence of some 25 years and wanted to locate my mother's place of birth, she  insists it is called Feijao da Velha and may have once been a paroquia in  Sao Vicente, she was orphaned at the age of 10 after her mother's death in 1942, father unable to take care of her and her 3 siblings, many were scattered around relatives homes, she ended up in an orphanage somewhere on the island, in her teens she settled in Camara de Lobos and married my father a Nunes da Silva from S. Martinho. My maternal grandmother was named Maria Graca de Jesus and was born around 1906 in Brazil; apparently her mother had immigrated to Brazil from Sao Vicente around the turn of the century and returned with my grandmother after her husband became adulterous. It's all pretty sketchy but I was hoping to visit the parish in Sao Vicente and get a copy of her baptismal record and possibility any information on her mother or grandparents. Jose Fernandes is probably correct Feijao da Velha may be a nickname or "alcunha". Regards, -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JOSE FERNANDES Sent: April-09-12 9:48 AM To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Feijão Velho It should be Fajã da Areia (sand). It is a small port area, about 2km from the village.I checked Elucidário Madeirense V.III) and it doesn't list Feijão Velho as a sitio in S. Vicente. However, they only list about a dozen places. Among them Fajã dos Vinháticos. This is closer to wine than beans!  I came across 2 interesting place names: Fajã dos Judeus(indicating Jewish presence in this area) and Saramago , which surely is not named after the only Portuguese Nobel of literature. Just an interesting coincidence, although his daughter lives in Madeira. There is also an interesting creek "ribeira" named Hell (Inferno). If you have been to S.Vicente it fits. I am not sure of the context of the name that Eusébio refers to. It seems to me that is more a "alcunha" (nickname ) than a place. My other piece of "wisdom" is to e-mail the place and ask them.     José Fernandes ________________________________ From: JAndrade1 <JAndrade1@verizon.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 7:41:37 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Feijão Velho As I remember from my father / uncle, both Sao Vicente natives, there is a place in Sao Vicente going towards Sao Jorge (East) called Faja de Area. Could that be it? What is your family there? With all of us online, I would bet we could help. Jeff Andrade On Apr 9, 2012, at 6:02 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: Hello Eusébio, I think that instead of Feijão Velho (Old Bean...) it could it be Fajã Velha. There is one in São Martinho...As you say it's in the vicinity of São Vicente, which is on the opposite side, it has to be discarded- Searching for other homophonic names there is also Fajã da Ovelha, but not in São Vicente or nearby. It's in Calheta. In any case here is the meaning of Fajâ (theree are several in Madeira , as well in Açores) : O topónimo *Fajã *ou o seu plural *Fajãs *são nomes típicos dos arquipélagos dos Açores e da Madeira, cuja origem se encontra em *fajã*, «pequena extensão de terreno plano, susceptível de cultura, geralmente à beira-mar», conforme nos explica José Pedro Machado, no *Dicionário Onomástico Etimológico da Língua Portuguesa* To sum up  "Fajã is a small extension of flat land, where it is possible to farm, usually by the seaside." Could you check again to see whether the spelling you send is accurate? Best, Miguel On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 1:05 AM, leandro deoliveira <gregobhte1@aol.com>wrote: > Hi Eusebio > > I havent. However, my family comes from Sao Vicente. > > Can you write me privately and let me know your family connections in > there? gregobhte1@aol.com > > Thanks > > Leandro > On 8 Apr 2012, at 17:00, eusebio wrote: > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> Fellow members, just wondering if anyone has ever heard of a place called >> Feijão Velho in the vicinity of Sao Vicente? >> >> Best regards >> eusebio >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Eusébio, I think that instead of Feijão Velho (Old Bean...) it could it be Fajã Velha. There is one in São Martinho...As you say it's in the vicinity of São Vicente, which is on the opposite side, it has to be discarded- Searching for other homophonic names there is also Fajã da Ovelha, but not in São Vicente or nearby. It's in Calheta. In any case here is the meaning of Fajâ (theree are several in Madeira , as well in Açores) : O topónimo *Fajã *ou o seu plural *Fajãs *são nomes típicos dos arquipélagos dos Açores e da Madeira, cuja origem se encontra em *fajã*, «pequena extensão de terreno plano, susceptível de cultura, geralmente à beira-mar», conforme nos explica José Pedro Machado, no *Dicionário Onomástico Etimológico da Língua Portuguesa* To sum up "Fajã is a small extension of flat land, where it is possible to farm, usually by the seaside." Could you check again to see whether the spelling you send is accurate? Best, Miguel On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 1:05 AM, leandro deoliveira <gregobhte1@aol.com>wrote: > Hi Eusebio > > I havent. However, my family comes from Sao Vicente. > > Can you write me privately and let me know your family connections in > there? gregobhte1@aol.com > > Thanks > > Leandro > On 8 Apr 2012, at 17:00, eusebio wrote: > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > Fellow members, just wondering if anyone has ever heard of a place called > > Feijão Velho in the vicinity of Sao Vicente? > > > > Best regards > > eusebio > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

As I remember from my father / uncle, both Sao Vicente natives, there is a place in Sao Vicente going towards Sao Jorge (East) called Faja de Area. Could that be it? What is your family there? With all of us online, I would bet we could help. Jeff Andrade On Apr 9, 2012, at 6:02 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: Hello Eusébio, I think that instead of Feijão Velho (Old Bean...) it could it be Fajã Velha. There is one in São Martinho...As you say it's in the vicinity of São Vicente, which is on the opposite side, it has to be discarded- Searching for other homophonic names there is also Fajã da Ovelha, but not in São Vicente or nearby. It's in Calheta. In any case here is the meaning of Fajâ (theree are several in Madeira , as well in Açores) : O topónimo *Fajã *ou o seu plural *Fajãs *são nomes típicos dos arquipélagos dos Açores e da Madeira, cuja origem se encontra em *fajã*, «pequena extensão de terreno plano, susceptível de cultura, geralmente à beira-mar», conforme nos explica José Pedro Machado, no *Dicionário Onomástico Etimológico da Língua Portuguesa* To sum up "Fajã is a small extension of flat land, where it is possible to farm, usually by the seaside." Could you check again to see whether the spelling you send is accurate? Best, Miguel On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 1:05 AM, leandro deoliveira <gregobhte1@aol.com>wrote: > Hi Eusebio > > I havent. However, my family comes from Sao Vicente. > > Can you write me privately and let me know your family connections in > there? gregobhte1@aol.com > > Thanks > > Leandro > On 8 Apr 2012, at 17:00, eusebio wrote: > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> Fellow members, just wondering if anyone has ever heard of a place called >> Feijão Velho in the vicinity of Sao Vicente? >> >> Best regards >> eusebio >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It should be Fajã da Areia (sand). It is a small port area, about 2km from the village.I checked Elucidário Madeirense V.III) and it doesn't list Feijão Velho as a sitio in S. Vicente. However, they only list about a dozen places. Among them Fajã dos Vinháticos. This is closer to wine than beans!  I came across 2 interesting place names: Fajã dos Judeus(indicating Jewish presence in this area) and Saramago , which surely is not named after the only Portuguese Nobel of literature. Just an interesting coincidence, although his daughter lives in Madeira. There is also an interesting creek "ribeira" named Hell (Inferno). If you have been to S.Vicente it fits. I am not sure of the context of the name that Eusébio refers to. It seems to me that is more a "alcunha" (nickname ) than a place. My other piece of "wisdom" is to e-mail the place and ask them.     José Fernandes ________________________________ From: JAndrade1 <JAndrade1@verizon.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 7:41:37 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Feijão Velho As I remember from my father / uncle, both Sao Vicente natives, there is a place in Sao Vicente going towards Sao Jorge (East) called Faja de Area. Could that be it? What is your family there? With all of us online, I would bet we could help. Jeff Andrade On Apr 9, 2012, at 6:02 AM, Miguel de Castro Henriques wrote: Hello Eusébio, I think that instead of Feijão Velho (Old Bean...) it could it be Fajã Velha. There is one in São Martinho...As you say it's in the vicinity of São Vicente, which is on the opposite side, it has to be discarded- Searching for other homophonic names there is also Fajã da Ovelha, but not in São Vicente or nearby. It's in Calheta. In any case here is the meaning of Fajâ (theree are several in Madeira , as well in Açores) : O topónimo *Fajã *ou o seu plural *Fajãs *são nomes típicos dos arquipélagos dos Açores e da Madeira, cuja origem se encontra em *fajã*, «pequena extensão de terreno plano, susceptível de cultura, geralmente à beira-mar», conforme nos explica José Pedro Machado, no *Dicionário Onomástico Etimológico da Língua Portuguesa* To sum up  "Fajã is a small extension of flat land, where it is possible to farm, usually by the seaside." Could you check again to see whether the spelling you send is accurate? Best, Miguel On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 1:05 AM, leandro deoliveira <gregobhte1@aol.com>wrote: > Hi Eusebio > > I havent. However, my family comes from Sao Vicente. > > Can you write me privately and let me know your family connections in > there? gregobhte1@aol.com > > Thanks > > Leandro > On 8 Apr 2012, at 17:00, eusebio wrote: > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> Fellow members, just wondering if anyone has ever heard of a place called >> Feijão Velho in the vicinity of Sao Vicente? >> >> Best regards >> eusebio >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

-----Original Message----- Fellow members, just wondering if anyone has ever heard of a place called Feijão Velho in the vicinity of Sao Vicente? Best regards eusebio

Hi Eusebio I havent. However, my family comes from Sao Vicente. Can you write me privately and let me know your family connections in there? gregobhte1@aol.com Thanks Leandro On 8 Apr 2012, at 17:00, eusebio wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > Fellow members, just wondering if anyone has ever heard of a place called > Feijão Velho in the vicinity of Sao Vicente? > > Best regards > eusebio > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for that Pat. I'll be great when they get them all into the system. I believe they have a new machine that automatically scans and files all the documents very quickly, however the indexing has to be done by a human volunteer.   Philip http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ ________________________________ From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> To: Philip Rodrigues <philrod51@yahoo.ca> Cc: patriciacorbera@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 7:13:07 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] New-bee Hi Again,   Here's a link to my husband's maternal grandfather's baptismal records...   https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15671-8462-64?cc=1410092&wc=6835073   His record is the last one on the right side  .... Jose Fernandeo Perez...   Images can be saved to your computer, then by using a software program (picture editing) you and crop and print the document you want...   The images, some clearer than others, are just like you would have viewed the film at a Family History Center.   There's no charge, no limit as to how many films/records are viewed... it's wonderful...   Pat   ________________________________ From: "Philip Rodrigues" <philrod51@yahoo.ca> To: "Pat Corbera" <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 3:31:09 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] New-bee Wow that's excellent Pat. Are these Mexican records online the ones the church flmed when they went to Mexico years ago? What is the quality like? When they approached Guyana many years ago the government said no. Idiots! So now I can't research my grandmother's side of the family. Even if you go there the records are in such a mess there is not much chance of success. Only the church records might be of help. Cheers Philip http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ ________________________________ From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> To: Philip Rodrigues <philrod51@yahoo.ca>; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 5:32:46 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] New-bee Hello Philip,   Yes the Mormon Church (LDS) is working on placing all their records online.    It's a wonderful thing, especially for those of us that have limited access to a local Family History Center.   My husband's paternal and maternal records are currently online... My research focuses on Mexico...   Access to the actual documents online has been a God sent.  The records can be copied and printed out in the comfort of ones own home.   I've been busy viewing Mexico records, and I haven't check to see if Portugal records are on line yet...   Pat ________________________________ From: "Philip Rodrigues" <philrod51@yahoo.ca> To: "JOSE FERNANDES" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com>, prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 6:07:59 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] New-bee Jose, Family search is run by the Church of the Latterday Saints and from what I read they plan to digitize all genealogical records that they have in Salt Lake City Utah and make it available to all who would like to access this information. If they digitize ( basically scan every record ) all the records in the Madeiran archives then we could get copies online from https://www.familysearch.org/  without having to request copies from Madeira.  I have read they are indexing all the records they now have and asking for volunteers to help. However this could take years.  https://www.familysearch.org/volunteer/indexing Cheers Philip ________________________________  From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 10:48:14 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] New-bee   Bob, I am sure we are not forgetting about you but Camacho and Santo António is a lot to digest! In our list archives you will find a lot of messages on these two topics. Santo António is not a village but a parish of the City of Funchal, the capital of Madeira. However it really was a village unto itself! The names you mention are not unfamiliar to me. Unfortunately my records are presently in a slight mess. I will get around to it! I am a Fernandes Veloza from Santo António and naturally we intermarried with a lot of the clans from there. If you can find an e-mail from Paulo Perneta around 2010 or earlier, he wrote about the clans of Santo António and the interesting characteristics of this parish which eventually dominated the economic life of Funchal- aside from the English colony.  Paulo was to write a major work on this parish, but we seemed to have lost him on this list. If he  is around I am going to Madeira for about 7 weeks this summer and I am looking for him! If I am not mistaken another member of this list, Miguel, wrote about the Camacho family which seems to have a couple of different origins. ...and then you add Bazenga! Well that's Santo António! The Bazengas are very much alive and still living in the parish. One of "them" was a Secretary in the Madeiran Regional government. On another note for all interested  members of the list, I heard in the Madeiran newscast that Family Search has now signed an agreement with the Madeiran Government to access and digitalize all documents in the regional archives. it seems it is good news. I am not an user of family search. Could anyone tell me what it will change for us? Now I understand that it will take 4 years to complete the digitalization. I guess by then I will learn a couple of things. José Fernandes ________________________________ From: "BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com" <BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:23:00 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] New-bee Hi Everyone I am new to this good but not new to the only roots groups.  I am  throwing this out there and not sure of any rules I might break, so I am sorry  if I do. I am researching my grandfathers family which are from village  of Santo Antonio, Madeira, His name is José Pereira Camacho and was born  1898 and he had a brother name Antonio Pereira Camacho born 1895 they both came  to US.  I did find out that they had two other brothers and a sister with  all died in there childhood.  There parents where Joao Pereira Camacho and  Antonia de Freitas fathers surname Basenga.  If anyone has information  would be helpful thanks Bob Camacho Researching the Island of Terceira for da  Costa, Evangelho, Pacheco, Ferriera Researching the Island of Graciousa  for Reis Researching the Island of Madeira for Camacho Researching  Brazil for Evangelho ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tom, With the records that I've been viewing for my husband's Mexico ancestry  the actual vital record/s is on line, like when viewing a film at the Family History Center... Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Freitas" <family@railsoft.com> To: "Philip Rodrigues" <philrod51@yahoo.ca>, prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 7:01:17 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] New-bee Philip, There are Madeira records on that site right now, I have found a few and they show some good information.  However, one should always be a little cautious because a lot of the information is done by individuals and therefore might not be correct.  Everything should be validated against documentation if possible.  I have found wedding information, death information and family information. Tom Freitas -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Philip Rodrigues Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 6:08 AM To: JOSE FERNANDES; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] New-bee Jose, Family search is run by the Church of the Latterday Saints and from what I read they plan to digitize all genealogical records that they have in Salt Lake City Utah and make it available to all who would like to access this information. If they digitize ( basically scan every record ) all the records in the Madeiran archives then we could get copies online from https://www.familysearch.org/  without having to request copies from Madeira.  I have read they are indexing all the records they now have and asking for volunteers to help. However this could take years.  https://www.familysearch.org/volunteer/indexing Cheers Philip ________________________________  From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 10:48:14 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] New-bee   Bob, I am sure we are not forgetting about you but Camacho and Santo António is a lot to digest! In our list archives you will find a lot of messages on these two topics. Santo António is not a village but a parish of the City of Funchal, the capital of Madeira. However it really was a village unto itself! The names you mention are not unfamiliar to me. Unfortunately my records are presently in a slight mess. I will get around to it! I am a Fernandes Veloza from Santo António and naturally we intermarried with a lot of the clans from there. If you can find an e-mail from Paulo Perneta around 2010 or earlier, he wrote about the clans of Santo António and the interesting characteristics of this parish which eventually dominated the economic life of Funchal- aside from the English colony.  Paulo was to write a major work on this parish, but we seemed to have lost him on this list. If he  is around I am going to Madeira for about 7 weeks this summer and I am looking for him! If I am not mistaken another member of this list, Miguel, wrote about the Camacho family which seems to have a couple of different origins. ...and then you add Bazenga! Well that's Santo António! The Bazengas are very much alive and still living in the parish. One of "them" was a Secretary in the Madeiran Regional government. On another note for all interested  members of the list, I heard in the Madeiran newscast that Family Search has now signed an agreement with the Madeiran Government to access and digitalize all documents in the regional archives. it seems it is good news. I am not an user of family search. Could anyone tell me what it will change for us? Now I understand that it will take 4 years to complete the digitalization. I guess by then I will learn a couple of things. José Fernandes ________________________________ From: "BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com" <BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:23:00 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] New-bee Hi Everyone I am new to this good but not new to the only roots groups.  I am  throwing this out there and not sure of any rules I might break, so I am sorry  if I do. I am researching my grandfathers family which are from village  of Santo Antonio, Madeira, His name is José Pereira Camacho and was born  1898 and he had a brother name Antonio Pereira Camacho born 1895 they both came  to US. I did find out that they had two other brothers and a sister with  all died in there childhood.  There parents where Joao Pereira Camacho and  Antonia de Freitas fathers surname Basenga.  If anyone has information  would be helpful thanks Bob Camacho Researching the Island of Terceira for da  Costa, Evangelho, Pacheco, Ferriera Researching the Island of Graciousa  for Reis Researching the Island of Madeira for Camacho Researching  Brazil for Evangelho ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Philip,   Yes the Mormon Church (LDS) is working on placing all their records online.    It's a wonderful thing, especially for those of us that have limited access to a local Family History Center.   My husband's paternal and maternal records are currently online... My research focuses on Mexico...   Access to the actual documents online has been a God sent.  The records can be copied and printed out in the comfort of ones own home.   I've been busy viewing Mexico records, and I haven't check to see if Portugal records are on line yet...   Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Rodrigues" <philrod51@yahoo.ca> To: "JOSE FERNANDES" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com>, prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 6:07:59 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] New-bee Jose, Family search is run by the Church of the Latterday Saints and from what I read they plan to digitize all genealogical records that they have in Salt Lake City Utah and make it available to all who would like to access this information. If they digitize ( basically scan every record ) all the records in the Madeiran archives then we could get copies online from https://www.familysearch.org/  without having to request copies from Madeira.  I have read they are indexing all the records they now have and asking for volunteers to help. However this could take years.  https://www.familysearch.org/volunteer/indexing Cheers Philip ________________________________  From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 10:48:14 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] New-bee   Bob, I am sure we are not forgetting about you but Camacho and Santo António is a lot to digest! In our list archives you will find a lot of messages on these two topics. Santo António is not a village but a parish of the City of Funchal, the capital of Madeira. However it really was a village unto itself! The names you mention are not unfamiliar to me. Unfortunately my records are presently in a slight mess. I will get around to it! I am a Fernandes Veloza from Santo António and naturally we intermarried with a lot of the clans from there. If you can find an e-mail from Paulo Perneta around 2010 or earlier, he wrote about the clans of Santo António and the interesting characteristics of this parish which eventually dominated the economic life of Funchal- aside from the English colony.  Paulo was to write a major work on this parish, but we seemed to have lost him on this list. If he  is around I am going to Madeira for about 7 weeks this summer and I am looking for him! If I am not mistaken another member of this list, Miguel, wrote about the Camacho family which seems to have a couple of different origins. ...and then you add Bazenga! Well that's Santo António! The Bazengas are very much alive and still living in the parish. One of "them" was a Secretary in the Madeiran Regional government. On another note for all interested  members of the list, I heard in the Madeiran newscast that Family Search has now signed an agreement with the Madeiran Government to access and digitalize all documents in the regional archives. it seems it is good news. I am not an user of family search. Could anyone tell me what it will change for us? Now I understand that it will take 4 years to complete the digitalization. I guess by then I will learn a couple of things. José Fernandes ________________________________ From: "BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com" <BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:23:00 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] New-bee Hi Everyone I am new to this good but not new to the only roots groups.  I am  throwing this out there and not sure of any rules I might break, so I am sorry  if I do. I am researching my grandfathers family which are from village  of Santo Antonio, Madeira, His name is José Pereira Camacho and was born  1898 and he had a brother name Antonio Pereira Camacho born 1895 they both came  to US.  I did find out that they had two other brothers and a sister with  all died in there childhood.  There parents where Joao Pereira Camacho and  Antonia de Freitas fathers surname Basenga.  If anyone has information  would be helpful thanks Bob Camacho Researching the Island of Terceira for da  Costa, Evangelho, Pacheco, Ferriera Researching the Island of Graciousa  for Reis Researching the Island of Madeira for Camacho Researching  Brazil for Evangelho ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I read (in their site) that ARM Madeira is signing a protocol with Family Search. But as selling copies from the archives is also a source of income for them they'd be quite suicidal IMO if they give that for free- On another hand voluntary work by FS is quite commendable, however, voluntary people are not professionals. And many times this shows in their transcriptions, which look frequently amateurish and induce people in error. (Like Bad spelling, bad transcriptions, of names, places, and even dates out of the documents). Of course things can improve, though you can not invent people who decode and decipher from scratch. Cheers, Miguel On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 7:39 PM, JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com>wrote: > Tom, > I understand that actual copies of the marriages etc. will be on the site. > If there are any right now it is quite limited. once this is done, you > really don't have to send for copies from the archives. > > José Fernandes > > > ________________________________ > From: Thomas Freitas <family@railsoft.com> > To: 'Philip Rodrigues' <philrod51@yahoo.ca>; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 10:01:17 AM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] New-bee > > Philip, > > There are Madeira records on that site right now, I have found a few and > they show some good information. However, one should always be a little > cautious because a lot of the information is done by individuals and > therefore might not be correct. Everything should be validated against > documentation if possible. I have found wedding information, death > information and family information. > > Tom Freitas > > > -----Original Message----- > From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Philip Rodrigues > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 6:08 AM > To: JOSE FERNANDES; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] New-bee > > Jose, > Family search is run by the Church of the Latterday Saints and from what I > read they plan to digitize all genealogical records that they have in Salt > Lake City Utah and make it available to all who would like to access this > information. If they digitize ( basically scan every record ) all the > records in the Madeiran archives then we could get copies online > from https://www.familysearch.org/ without having to request copies from > Madeira. > I have read they are indexing all the records they now have and asking for > volunteers to help. > > However this could take years. > https://www.familysearch.org/volunteer/indexing > Cheers > > Philip > > > > ________________________________ > From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> > To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 10:48:14 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] New-bee > > Bob, > > I am sure we are not forgetting about you but Camacho and Santo António is > a > lot to digest! In our list archives you will find a lot of messages on > these > two topics. > Santo António is not a village but a parish of the City of Funchal, the > capital of Madeira. However it really was a village unto itself! The names > you mention are not unfamiliar to me. Unfortunately my records are > presently > in a slight mess. I will get around to it! I am a Fernandes Veloza from > Santo António and naturally we intermarried with a lot of the clans from > there. > If you can find an e-mail from Paulo Perneta around 2010 or earlier, he > wrote about the clans of Santo António and the interesting characteristics > of this parish which eventually dominated the economic life of Funchal- > aside from the English colony. Paulo was to write a major work on this > parish, but we seemed to have lost him on this list. If he is around I am > going to Madeira for about 7 weeks this summer and I am looking for him! > If I am not mistaken another member of this list, Miguel, wrote about the > Camacho family which seems to have a couple of different origins. > ...and then you add Bazenga! Well that's Santo António! The Bazengas are > very much alive and still living in the parish. One of "them" was a > Secretary in the Madeiran Regional government. > > On another note for all interested members of the list, I heard in the > Madeiran newscast that Family Search has now signed an agreement with the > Madeiran Government to access and digitalize all documents in the regional > archives. it seems it is good news. I am not an user of family search. > Could > anyone tell me what it will change for us? Now I understand that it will > take 4 years to complete the digitalization. > I guess by then I will learn a couple of things. > > José Fernandes > > > ________________________________ > From: "BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com" <BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:23:00 PM > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] New-bee > > Hi Everyone > I am new to this good but not new to the only roots groups. I am throwing > this out there and not sure of any rules I might break, so I am sorry if I > do. > I am researching my grandfathers family which are from village of Santo > Antonio, Madeira, His name is José Pereira Camacho and was born 1898 and > he > had a brother name Antonio Pereira Camacho born 1895 they both came to US. > I did find out that they had two other brothers and a sister with all died > in there childhood. There parents where Joao Pereira Camacho and Antonia > de Freitas fathers surname Basenga. If anyone has information would be > helpful thanks > > > Bob Camacho > Researching the Island of Terceira for > da Costa, Evangelho, Pacheco, Ferriera > Researching the Island of Graciousa for Reis Researching the Island of > Madeira for Camacho Researching Brazil for Evangelho > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

If you want to try using the family search site go to: www.FamilySearch.org <http://www.familysearch.org/> and scroll down to "search the catalogue". Select the "records" search. Unlike the Madeira archives, the name search does not require using the Portuguese accents on letters. As you already heard, the site is incomplete and some of the data is not entirely accurate. But- it will give you a place to start. God bless and welcome to the list. Mary da Silva Frost

Tom, I understand that actual copies of the marriages etc. will be on the site. If there are any right now it is quite limited. once this is done, you really don't have to send for copies from the archives.   José Fernandes ________________________________ From: Thomas Freitas <family@railsoft.com> To: 'Philip Rodrigues' <philrod51@yahoo.ca>; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 10:01:17 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] New-bee Philip, There are Madeira records on that site right now, I have found a few and they show some good information.  However, one should always be a little cautious because a lot of the information is done by individuals and therefore might not be correct.  Everything should be validated against documentation if possible.  I have found wedding information, death information and family information. Tom Freitas -----Original Message----- From: prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Philip Rodrigues Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 6:08 AM To: JOSE FERNANDES; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] New-bee Jose, Family search is run by the Church of the Latterday Saints and from what I read they plan to digitize all genealogical records that they have in Salt Lake City Utah and make it available to all who would like to access this information. If they digitize ( basically scan every record ) all the records in the Madeiran archives then we could get copies online from https://www.familysearch.org/  without having to request copies from Madeira.  I have read they are indexing all the records they now have and asking for volunteers to help. However this could take years.  https://www.familysearch.org/volunteer/indexing Cheers Philip ________________________________ From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 10:48:14 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] New-bee Bob, I am sure we are not forgetting about you but Camacho and Santo António is a lot to digest! In our list archives you will find a lot of messages on these two topics. Santo António is not a village but a parish of the City of Funchal, the capital of Madeira. However it really was a village unto itself! The names you mention are not unfamiliar to me. Unfortunately my records are presently in a slight mess. I will get around to it! I am a Fernandes Veloza from Santo António and naturally we intermarried with a lot of the clans from there. If you can find an e-mail from Paulo Perneta around 2010 or earlier, he wrote about the clans of Santo António and the interesting characteristics of this parish which eventually dominated the economic life of Funchal- aside from the English colony.  Paulo was to write a major work on this parish, but we seemed to have lost him on this list. If he  is around I am going to Madeira for about 7 weeks this summer and I am looking for him! If I am not mistaken another member of this list, Miguel, wrote about the Camacho family which seems to have a couple of different origins. ...and then you add Bazenga! Well that's Santo António! The Bazengas are very much alive and still living in the parish. One of "them" was a Secretary in the Madeiran Regional government. On another note for all interested  members of the list, I heard in the Madeiran newscast that Family Search has now signed an agreement with the Madeiran Government to access and digitalize all documents in the regional archives. it seems it is good news. I am not an user of family search. Could anyone tell me what it will change for us? Now I understand that it will take 4 years to complete the digitalization. I guess by then I will learn a couple of things. José Fernandes ________________________________ From: "BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com" <BOBCAMSCPW@aol.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:23:00 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] New-bee Hi Everyone I am new to this good but not new to the only roots groups.  I am  throwing this out there and not sure of any rules I might break, so I am sorry  if I do. I am researching my grandfathers family which are from village  of Santo Antonio, Madeira, His name is José Pereira Camacho and was born  1898 and he had a brother name Antonio Pereira Camacho born 1895 they both came  to US. I did find out that they had two other brothers and a sister with  all died in there childhood.  There parents where Joao Pereira Camacho and  Antonia de Freitas fathers surname Basenga.  If anyone has information  would be helpful thanks Bob Camacho Researching the Island of Terceira for da  Costa, Evangelho, Pacheco, Ferriera Researching the Island of Graciousa  for Reis Researching the Island of Madeira for Camacho Researching  Brazil for Evangelho ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message