On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:41 PM, JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com>wrote: > Pat, > I think that question is more for Sophie, although I believe all Fernandes > Pombo from Ponta do Pargo are related directly. > They certainly are. > > I am descended from the oldest Fernandes Pombo in Madeira this one: Manuel Fernandes Pombo x Constância Rodrigues, Ponta do Pargo 1681 1115 40 he is quite probably the ancestor of all Fernandes Pombos from Ponta do Pargo and elsewhere in Madeira. BTW Pombo means Pigeon , -) Cheers, Miguel de Castro Henriques ________________________________ > From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> > To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 5:22:56 PM > Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo > > > Avelino, > > Are you related to the Pombos of Tracy CA ? > > Pat Silva Corbera > Tracy CA > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Avelino Pombo" <apombo@johlt.com> > To: "jose fernandes" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com>, prt-madeira@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 2:27:30 PM > Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo > > Jose' - thank you for the information you sent to Sophie below. Antonio > Fernandes Pombo (born around 1883) married to Maria Clara de Jesus > (Sequeira)in 1910 is my grandfather and grandmother. > > My great grandparents were Antonio Fernandes Pombo (born around 1850) and > Maria Antonia De Jesus.. Is there a way to find their parents. Do you know > if there are records that go back to about 1820? Ponta do Pargo? > > Thanks! Avelino Pombo > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Avelino, Are you related to the Pombos of Tracy CA ? Pat Silva Corbera Tracy CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Avelino Pombo" <apombo@johlt.com> To: "jose fernandes" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com>, prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 2:27:30 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo Jose' - thank you for the information you sent to Sophie below. Antonio Fernandes Pombo (born around 1883) married to Maria Clara de Jesus (Sequeira)in 1910 is my grandfather and grandmother. My great grandparents were Antonio Fernandes Pombo (born around 1850) and Maria Antonia De Jesus.. Is there a way to find their parents. Do you know if there are records that go back to about 1820? Ponta do Pargo? Thanks! Avelino Pombo

Miguel, Oops to say on ``Cuba Libre`` that it might not work. Would you know about the ``paradeiro de`` Paulo Perneta I would to see him in Madeira.   José Fernandes ________________________________ From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com>; "prt-madeira@rootsweb.com" <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 11:18:02 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo Miguel, I keep just using reply and not reply to all and then going off list. I am afraid that is happening quite a lot and unfortunately it limits the list and any assistance  others can provide. Luis can we do something about this? Anyway, we are back. As always you are a source of information. I am alive but kicking I am not sure. Just retired this December, so I have spent the winter trying to see what I am going to do when I grow up.  I am going to Madeira in August and shall be there and Porto Santo for about 7 weeks. I wanted to go to "Cuba Libre",  but it might work this time. I appreciate your info on Porto Santo.I had some informatiom from the Elucidiario but this adds to it. Thanks. I also descend from the "genovese" who despite all attempts was not a companion of Zarco but unfortunately got Port Santo. Zarco was no fool. He got the best part. I descend from Diogo Soares (his daughter's marriage certificate does not include Perestrelo) and Dona Joana de Castro (e Menezes) Do we know the parents for this Joana? His daughter also a Joana de Castro marries a Duarte Martins Tavares in 1576, Caniço. Anyone who does research in Caniço will recall his father Bernardo Martins (Isabel Tavares in 1545). He was a witness tp many mariages at this time.  A daughter- Ana (Henriques) Tavares marries Francisco Dias Saldanha in 1623. A son- Diogo Dias marries Maria Ferreira in 1651 and a son António Ferreira (What happened to those great names : Saldanha, Tavares, Castro etc ?) They pick Ferreira! He marries a Madalena Jorge, daughter of Gabriel de Nóbrega (Maria Jorge in 1645) and I think we share this ancestor, Oh Lord of the Nóbregas! One more generation and we get to the Fernandes. all of this in Caniço. I don`t think this makes me the ``representante`` of the captains of Porto Santo, but this summer I am going at the island in a different way.  You know that Diogo got the ``position`` because his brother killed his wife as did his father who killed Aldonça. I bet the Funchal lords didn`t like that. There is Pedro Correia who claims he bought (the fool) and temporarily governed the place between 2 and 3rd. Nobody said your family was perfect. Mine too! Pat please note my comments on the  previous e-mail off-list. Cheers   José Fernandes ________________________________ From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> To: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 9:11:32 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo José, Thanks. Nice to see you're "alive and kickin"! Pombo is most probably one of these famous and most liberally given madeiran "alcunhas" that was adopted as a name. About Diogo Soares Perestrelo, I don't think I know anything special. Here - the author is  Filipe Jardim - goes the lineage of the Perestrelos in answer to the question "Who is the "representante" of the Perestrelos nowadays?" By "representante" is meant the person who has the most direct line to the founder of the lineage and is entitled to be the clan-chief....In this case it's important because the families of the first three "capitães-donatários" (Bartolomeu Perestrelo, João Gonçalves Zarco, Tristão Teixeira) were considered to be the foremost top-dogs. (BTW the name Perestrelo is the Portuguese version of  the Italian name Palestrelli - translation  "by or through the stars" . Apparently the first Palestrelli was a jewish astrologer...in the Italian "trecento".. As many others with Madeiran ascendancies I also descend from Bartolomeu Perestrelo. 1)    Bartolomeu Perestrelo, 1º capitão –donatário da ilha do Porto Santo (1446), teve de sua 3ª mulher D. Isabel Moniz: 2)    Bartolomeu Pesrestrelo, 2º capitão-donatário de Porto Santo (1473) casou com Guiomar Teixeira (filha de Trsitão Vaz), tiveram: 3)    Bartolomeu Pesrestrelo, 3º Capit.-Donatário (1529) casou com Aldonça Câmara (neta paterna de João Gonçalves Zarco), tiveram: 4)    Diogo Soares Perestrelo, 4º Cap.-don. (1545) casou com Joana de Castro e Menezes,tiveram: 5)    Diogo Pesrestrelo Bisforte, 5º Cap.-don. (1576) casou com Maria da Câmara (filha de Filipa Cabral da Câmara e de Gaspar Homem de Gouveia, filho primogénito de Francisco Homem de Gouveia, instituidor do Morgado dos Reis Magos da Calheta) em titulo: Câmaras, Homens de Gouveia, Cabrais, tiveram: (my comment - the surname Bisforte is intriguing, Where does it come from? It seems it comes out of the blue) 6)    D. Francisca da Câmara Perestrelo casou com Vitoriano Bettencourt de Vasconcelos, este em titulo: Favilas, Bettencourt, Vasconcelos. Por casamento 6º cap.-don. Tiveram: 7)    Diogo Bettencourt Perestrelo, 7º cap.-don. Casou com Luisa Agostinha de Noronha, tiveram: 8)    Estêvão Bettencourt Perestrelo, 8º capitão-donatário, c.g. até Paulo Freire de Bettencourt Noronha Perestrelo da Câmara Homem de Gouveia (segundo Luís Peter Clode), morgado dos Reis Magos da Calheta,  e assim representante da linha dos capitães donatários do Porto Santo, casou com António Júlia da Câmara ( aliás esta linhagem está mais desenvolvida na obra de Felisberto Bettencourt Miranda em titulo: Favilas), tiveram: 9)    D. Ana Perestrelo da Câmara, herdeira de seu pai, casou com seu parente colatreral, Morgado Bento José Perestrelo da Câmara, destes descende entre outros os Veiga França e os Perestrelos de França, e do 2º casamento desta com seu cunhado, os Favilas Vieiras, que criosamente usam o apelido Favila não por herança genealogica, a que tinham direito, mas resultante de um “acordo” de herança relativamente á continuidade do apelido, feito entre o Morgado Favila (que tinha uma filha perfilhada c.g.) e o deputado Dr. Conselheiro Manuel José Vieira, amigalhaço do anterior, casado com D. Filomena Perestrelo da Câmara (neta de D. Ana Câmara)  tiveram: 10)    Paulo Perestrelo da Câmara, herdeiro de seus maiores, casou com Ana (ou Maria?) de Freitas Lomeino, filha de Nuno de Freitas da Silva Lomelino ( representante genealógico dos Freitas da Madalena, por onde caiu o morgado da Nossa Senhora da Conceição, da Serra de Àgua e por conseguinte representante do tão afamado ou difamado, consoante a perspectiva, D. Gonçalo Afonso D`Avis Trastâmara Fernandes, o máscara de ferro Português) e de Helena Luísa da Câmara (filha de Pedro Júlio da Câmara Leme Homem de Sousa e Helena Teresa de Carvalhal Esmeraldo Athouguia e Câmara ( irmã do 1º Conde de Carvalhal…) . Que está no genea como Paulo Perestrelo de Vasconcelos (e realmente é um Vasconcelos pelo casamento de D. Maria de Vasconcelos com António Favella)http://www.geneall.net/P/per_page.php?id=75175 11)    Maria Augusta Perestrelo casou com João Teixeira Dória , filho do morgado Luís Teixeira Dória e de Maria Inês da Câmara Leme, curiosamente, filha de Pedro Júlio da Câmara Leme Homem de Sousa e de Helena Teresa de Carvalhal Esmeraldo Câmara, neto paterno do Dr. Francisco Teixeira Dória e de Joana de Ornelas e Vasconcelos Câmara (tia do 1º visconde  de São João), filha de Francisco Xavier de Ornelas e Vasconcelos, 11º morgado do Caniço e de D. Luísa Júlia Isabel de Castelo Branco Câmara Leme, bisneto paterno do capitão morgado Antóno Teixeira Dória de Athouguia  e de Ana Berbarda de Athouguia e Brito Herédia,  tiveram: 12)    António Teixeira Dória, solteiro 12) General João Teixeira Dória, que segundo sei teve um filho. É a descendência deste que em minha opinião representa a Linhagem dos capitães-donatários do Porto Santo, logo, genealogicamente representante dos Perestrelos, que por sua vez representam os Homem de Gouveia, mas curiosamente, não os Favilas (que em minha opinião está na descendência da filha perfilhada do último morgado Favila de seu nome António João Betencourt da Silva Favila  182…a 1876 casado com D. Isabel Pimenta de Aguiar, deste casamento não houve geração). Cheers! Miguel On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 12:44 AM, JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> wrote: Miguel, >Nice to hear from you. Do you know where the name Pombo comes from? >Also, anything on Diogo Soares Perestrelo, Capitão do Porto Santo? I know the basic story about this capitania and the Perestrelos and how Diogo got to be captain. But is there anything else that you would know? > > >Pat, just in case and to clarify, I mentioned Sophie because her family remained in the states . Avelino' s grandafther returned to Madeira. >  >José Fernandes > > >________________________________ > From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> >To: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com>; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 7:19:23 PM > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo > > > > > > >On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:41 PM, JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> wrote: > >Pat, >>I think that question is more for Sophie, although I believe all Fernandes Pombo from Ponta do Pargo are related directly. >> > >They certainly are. > >  >> >I  am descended from the oldest Fernandes Pombo in Madeira > >this one: >Manuel Fernandes Pombo    x Constância Rodrigues,   Ponta do Pargo  1681  1115  40  > > > > > > > he is quite probably the ancestor of all Fernandes Pombos from Ponta do Pargo and elsewhere in Madeira. > >BTW  Pombo means Pigeon , -) > >Cheers, > >Miguel de Castro Henriques >  > > >________________________________ >> From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> >>To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >>Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 5:22:56 PM >>Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW:  Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo >> >> >> >>Avelino, >> >>Are you related to the Pombos of Tracy CA ? >> >>Pat Silva Corbera >>Tracy CA >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Avelino Pombo" <apombo@johlt.com> >>To: "jose fernandes" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com>, prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >>Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 2:27:30 PM >>Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] FW:  Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo >> >>Jose' - thank you for the information you sent to Sophie below. Antonio >>Fernandes Pombo (born around 1883) married to Maria Clara de Jesus >>(Sequeira)in 1910 is my grandfather and grandmother. >> >>My great grandparents were Antonio Fernandes Pombo (born around 1850) and >>Maria Antonia De Jesus.. Is there a way to find their parents. Do you know >>if there are records that go back to about 1820? Ponta do Pargo? >> >>Thanks! Avelino Pombo >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am just re-posting this for the list.   José Fernandes ________________________________ From: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: sophie <ssouza173@gsinet.net> Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 2:44:04 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Fw: Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo Hi Sophie, I forgot that Avelino was off-list. Basically, as I am going to be in Madeira in August I offered to get the 1-3 first copies of the certificates. The offer is extended to you.  I have no doubt that you are related. Note that one of them was 39 in 1912. Check passport link. I asked Avelino to send you my reply. As Miguel  from his Alentejo office would say, we are all related in Madeira, so keeping this on-list is always a good idea because someone else will always gives us a new idea or suggestion.  The Fernandes Pombo from Ponta do Pargo have kept that double going for at least 200 years. There is something to it. Ponta do Pargo is in the far corner of Madeira. It was pretty isolated in the old days, and even today it is still a bit out of the way and not easy to get to. So, it is not much of a guess to say that all Fernandes Pombo from there and also Faja da Ovelha (nearby) are related.  Anyway, I mentioned to Avelino, that one of my late father's friends was a Fernandes Pombo from Ponta do Pargo. So I would be most pleased to help in any way. He is still alive, in his 70's and living in Funchal. Unfortunately, only one of his 3 sons survived. The other 2 died of M.S. complications. That is just a detail. But I do have an interest in this family. I always wondered where they got the name Pombo. You know it means pigeon (male).  Any guesses out there? cheers   José Fernandes ________________________________ From: sophie <ssouza173@gsinet.net> To: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com>; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 12:11:50 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Fw: Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo Hello again Jose,         I agree that confirms the information. And thank you. Through facebook I have connected with Avelino for a few weeks now, he and I have been trying to figure out our relatives exact connection. I don't seem to see a post here for Avelino...... So I am not sure what the offer is that you extended? Hope to hear more. And thank you it truly is appreciated. Sophie ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOSE FERNANDES" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Fw: Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo It may have been a mistake but it confirms the info. Please note the answer that I gave to Avelino. You should connect. The offer is also extended to you to get you started. I have to go to the archives anyway. Please not that in current Portuguese is spelled Barbosa. José Fernandes ________________________________ From: sophie <ssouza173@gsinet.net> To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 1:15:24 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Fw:  Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOSE FERNANDES" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo Hello Jose, Thank you for taking the time to look this up for me. Yes my G. Grandmother Joana was a Barboza as far as I have known , but know saying that I have seen my grandparents marriage certificate and it had my G. Grandmother's name on it and it read: Joana Mendes. Which I wonder at the time if it was a mistake......... maybe not then. I am thinking that they are cousins if I had to guess. But thank you. You have been most helpful. Thanks again Sophie Sophie, If you do a search on the Madeira Archives you possibly find these two individuals. They may be as follows: Manuel Fernandes Pombo married Joana Mendes da Encarnação (did she change her name to Barbosa?) in 1904. This is the only Manuel Fernandes Pombo married to a Joana in Ponta do Pargo and for that matter in the whole island. António Fernandes Pombo married Maria Clara de Jesus in 1910. Same age? Are they twins? Cousins? If these seem to be the people you are searching, you should request a copy of the marriage document. It will contain the parents. Good luck. José Fernandes ________________________________ From: Sophie Souza <kindnessmatters4all@gmail.com> To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 7:32:40 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo Hello I am trying to figure out a family relation between Manuel Fernandes Pombo and Antonio F. Pombo both from Ponto do Pargo they were together on the ship Olympic 1912. they were both 29.  If this is the Manuel Pombo that I am related to he would born about 1881 his wife was Joanna (Barboza) Pombo. Thanks you. Sophie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Miguel, I keep just using reply and not reply to all and then going off list. I am afraid that is happening quite a lot and unfortunately it limits the list and any assistance  others can provide. Luis can we do something about this? Anyway, we are back. As always you are a source of information. I am alive but kicking I am not sure. Just retired this December, so I have spent the winter trying to see what I am going to do when I grow up.  I am going to Madeira in August and shall be there and Porto Santo for about 7 weeks. I wanted to go to "Cuba Libre",  but it might work this time. I appreciate your info on Porto Santo.I had some informatiom from the Elucidiario but this adds to it. Thanks. I also descend from the "genovese" who despite all attempts was not a companion of Zarco but unfortunately got Port Santo. Zarco was no fool. He got the best part. I descend from Diogo Soares (his daughter's marriage certificate does not include Perestrelo) and Dona Joana de Castro (e Menezes) Do we know the parents for this Joana? His daughter also a Joana de Castro marries a Duarte Martins Tavares in 1576, Caniço. Anyone who does research in Caniço will recall his father Bernardo Martins (Isabel Tavares in 1545). He was a witness tp many mariages at this time.  A daughter- Ana (Henriques) Tavares marries Francisco Dias Saldanha in 1623. A son- Diogo Dias marries Maria Ferreira in 1651 and a son António Ferreira (What happened to those great names : Saldanha, Tavares, Castro etc ?) They pick Ferreira! He marries a Madalena Jorge, daughter of Gabriel de Nóbrega (Maria Jorge in 1645) and I think we share this ancestor, Oh Lord of the Nóbregas! One more generation and we get to the Fernandes. all of this in Caniço. I don`t think this makes me the ``representante`` of the captains of Porto Santo, but this summer I am going at the island in a different way.  You know that Diogo got the ``position`` because his brother killed his wife as did his father who killed Aldonça. I bet the Funchal lords didn`t like that. There is Pedro Correia who claims he bought (the fool) and temporarily governed the place between 2 and 3rd. Nobody said your family was perfect. Mine too! Pat please note my comments on the  previous e-mail off-list. Cheers   José Fernandes ________________________________ From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> To: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 9:11:32 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo José, Thanks. Nice to see you're "alive and kickin"! Pombo is most probably one of these famous and most liberally given madeiran "alcunhas" that was adopted as a name. About Diogo Soares Perestrelo, I don't think I know anything special. Here - the author is  Filipe Jardim - goes the lineage of the Perestrelos in answer to the question "Who is the "representante" of the Perestrelos nowadays?" By "representante" is meant the person who has the most direct line to the founder of the lineage and is entitled to be the clan-chief....In this case it's important because the families of the first three "capitães-donatários" (Bartolomeu Perestrelo, João Gonçalves Zarco, Tristão Teixeira) were considered to be the foremost top-dogs. (BTW the name Perestrelo is the Portuguese version of  the Italian name Palestrelli - translation  "by or through the stars" . Apparently the first Palestrelli was a jewish astrologer...in the Italian "trecento".. As many others with Madeiran ascendancies I also descend from Bartolomeu Perestrelo. 1) Bartolomeu Perestrelo, 1º capitão –donatário da ilha do Porto Santo (1446), teve de sua 3ª mulher D. Isabel Moniz: 2) Bartolomeu Pesrestrelo, 2º capitão-donatário de Porto Santo (1473) casou com Guiomar Teixeira (filha de Trsitão Vaz), tiveram: 3) Bartolomeu Pesrestrelo, 3º Capit.-Donatário (1529) casou com Aldonça Câmara (neta paterna de João Gonçalves Zarco), tiveram: 4) Diogo Soares Perestrelo, 4º Cap.-don. (1545) casou com Joana de Castro e Menezes,tiveram: 5) Diogo Pesrestrelo Bisforte, 5º Cap.-don. (1576) casou com Maria da Câmara (filha de Filipa Cabral da Câmara e de Gaspar Homem de Gouveia, filho primogénito de Francisco Homem de Gouveia, instituidor do Morgado dos Reis Magos da Calheta) em titulo: Câmaras, Homens de Gouveia, Cabrais, tiveram: (my comment - the surname Bisforte is intriguing, Where does it come from? It seems it comes out of the blue) 6) D. Francisca da Câmara Perestrelo casou com Vitoriano Bettencourt de Vasconcelos, este em titulo: Favilas, Bettencourt, Vasconcelos. Por casamento 6º cap.-don. Tiveram: 7) Diogo Bettencourt Perestrelo, 7º cap.-don. Casou com Luisa Agostinha de Noronha, tiveram: 8) Estêvão Bettencourt Perestrelo, 8º capitão-donatário, c.g. até Paulo Freire de Bettencourt Noronha Perestrelo da Câmara Homem de Gouveia (segundo Luís Peter Clode), morgado dos Reis Magos da Calheta, e assim representante da linha dos capitães donatários do Porto Santo, casou com António Júlia da Câmara ( aliás esta linhagem está mais desenvolvida na obra de Felisberto Bettencourt Miranda em titulo: Favilas), tiveram: 9) D. Ana Perestrelo da Câmara, herdeira de seu pai, casou com seu parente colatreral, Morgado Bento José Perestrelo da Câmara, destes descende entre outros os Veiga França e os Perestrelos de França, e do 2º casamento desta com seu cunhado, os Favilas Vieiras, que criosamente usam o apelido Favila não por herança genealogica, a que tinham direito, mas resultante de um “acordo” de herança relativamente á continuidade do apelido, feito entre o Morgado Favila (que tinha uma filha perfilhada c.g.) e o deputado Dr. Conselheiro Manuel José Vieira, amigalhaço do anterior, casado com D. Filomena Perestrelo da Câmara (neta de D. Ana Câmara) tiveram: 10) Paulo Perestrelo da Câmara, herdeiro de seus maiores, casou com Ana (ou Maria?) de Freitas Lomeino, filha de Nuno de Freitas da Silva Lomelino ( representante genealógico dos Freitas da Madalena, por onde caiu o morgado da Nossa Senhora da Conceição, da Serra de Àgua e por conseguinte representante do tão afamado ou difamado, consoante a perspectiva, D. Gonçalo Afonso D`Avis Trastâmara Fernandes, o máscara de ferro Português) e de Helena Luísa da Câmara (filha de Pedro Júlio da Câmara Leme Homem de Sousa e Helena Teresa de Carvalhal Esmeraldo Athouguia e Câmara ( irmã do 1º Conde de Carvalhal…) . Que está no genea como Paulo Perestrelo de Vasconcelos (e realmente é um Vasconcelos pelo casamento de D. Maria de Vasconcelos com António Favella)http://www.geneall.net/P/per_page.php?id=75175 11) Maria Augusta Perestrelo casou com João Teixeira Dória , filho do morgado Luís Teixeira Dória e de Maria Inês da Câmara Leme, curiosamente, filha de Pedro Júlio da Câmara Leme Homem de Sousa e de Helena Teresa de Carvalhal Esmeraldo Câmara, neto paterno do Dr. Francisco Teixeira Dória e de Joana de Ornelas e Vasconcelos Câmara (tia do 1º visconde de São João), filha de Francisco Xavier de Ornelas e Vasconcelos, 11º morgado do Caniço e de D. Luísa Júlia Isabel de Castelo Branco Câmara Leme, bisneto paterno do capitão morgado Antóno Teixeira Dória de Athouguia e de Ana Berbarda de Athouguia e Brito Herédia, tiveram: 12) António Teixeira Dória, solteiro 12) General João Teixeira Dória, que segundo sei teve um filho. É a descendência deste que em minha opinião representa a Linhagem dos capitães-donatários do Porto Santo, logo, genealogicamente representante dos Perestrelos, que por sua vez representam os Homem de Gouveia, mas curiosamente, não os Favilas (que em minha opinião está na descendência da filha perfilhada do último morgado Favila de seu nome António João Betencourt da Silva Favila 182…a 1876 casado com D. Isabel Pimenta de Aguiar, deste casamento não houve geração). Cheers! Miguel On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 12:44 AM, JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> wrote: Miguel, >Nice to hear from you. Do you know where the name Pombo comes from? >Also, anything on Diogo Soares Perestrelo, Capitão do Porto Santo? I know the basic story about this capitania and the Perestrelos and how Diogo got to be captain. But is there anything else that you would know? > > >Pat, just in case and to clarify, I mentioned Sophie because her family remained in the states . Avelino' s grandafther returned to Madeira. >  >José Fernandes > > >________________________________ > From: Miguel de Castro Henriques <migueldecastrohenriques@gmail.com> >To: JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com>; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 7:19:23 PM > >Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo > > > > > > >On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:41 PM, JOSE FERNANDES <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> wrote: > >Pat, >>I think that question is more for Sophie, although I believe all Fernandes Pombo from Ponta do Pargo are related directly. >> > >They certainly are. > >  >> >I  am descended from the oldest Fernandes Pombo in Madeira > >this one: >Manuel Fernandes Pombo   x Constância Rodrigues,  Ponta do Pargo 1681 1115 40 > > > > > > > he is quite probably the ancestor of all Fernandes Pombos from Ponta do Pargo and elsewhere in Madeira. > >BTW  Pombo means Pigeon , -) > >Cheers, > >Miguel de Castro Henriques >  > > >________________________________ >> From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> >>To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >>Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 5:22:56 PM >>Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW:  Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo >> >> >> >>Avelino, >> >>Are you related to the Pombos of Tracy CA ? >> >>Pat Silva Corbera >>Tracy CA >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Avelino Pombo" <apombo@johlt.com> >>To: "jose fernandes" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com>, prt-madeira@rootsweb.com >>Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 2:27:30 PM >>Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] FW:  Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo >> >>Jose' - thank you for the information you sent to Sophie below. Antonio >>Fernandes Pombo (born around 1883) married to Maria Clara de Jesus >>(Sequeira)in 1910 is my grandfather and grandmother. >> >>My great grandparents were Antonio Fernandes Pombo (born around 1850) and >>Maria Antonia De Jesus.. Is there a way to find their parents. Do you know >>if there are records that go back to about 1820? Ponta do Pargo? >> >>Thanks! Avelino Pombo >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >

Sophie and Jose, Jose, you merntion in your posting "I have to go to the archives," are you currently in Madeira? Sophie Is Manuel Fernandes Pombo your paternal or maternal ancestor/relative? What other Pombos do you know of in your line? Is your Souza surname your maiden or married surname? Pat Silva Corbera Tracy CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOSE FERNANDES" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 4:35:24 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Fw: Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo It may have been a mistake but it confirms the info. Please  note the answer that I gave to Avelino. You should connect. The offer is also extended to you to get you started. I have to go to the archives anyway. Please not that in current Portuguese is spelled Barbosa.    José Fernandes ________________________________ From: sophie <ssouza173@gsinet.net> To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 1:15:24 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Fw: Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOSE FERNANDES" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo Hello Jose,     Thank you for taking the time to look this up for me.  Yes my G. Grandmother Joana was a Barboza as far as I have known , but know saying that I have seen my grandparents marriage certificate and it had my G. Grandmother's name on it and it read: Joana Mendes. Which I wonder at the time if it was a mistake......... maybe not then.  I am thinking that they are cousins if I had to guess. But thank you. You have been most helpful. Thanks again Sophie Sophie, If you do a search on the Madeira Archives you possibly find these two individuals. They may be as follows: Manuel Fernandes Pombo married Joana Mendes da Encarnação (did she change her name to Barbosa?) in 1904. This is the only Manuel Fernandes Pombo married to a Joana in Ponta do Pargo and for that matter in the whole island. António Fernandes Pombo married Maria Clara de Jesus in 1910. Same age? Are they twins? Cousins? If these seem to be the people you are searching, you should request a copy of the marriage document. It will contain the parents. Good luck. José Fernandes ________________________________ From: Sophie Souza <kindnessmatters4all@gmail.com> To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 7:32:40 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo Hello I am trying to figure out a family relation between Manuel Fernandes Pombo and Antonio F. Pombo both from Ponto do Pargo they were together on the ship Olympic 1912. they were both 29.  If this is the Manuel Pombo that I am related to he would born about 1881 his wife was Joanna (Barboza) Pombo. Thanks you. Sophie

Pat, I think that question is more for Sophie, although I believe all Fernandes Pombo from Ponta do Pargo are related directly.   José Fernandes ________________________________ From: Pat Corbera <PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net> To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 5:22:56 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo Avelino, Are you related to the Pombos of Tracy CA ? Pat Silva Corbera Tracy CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Avelino Pombo" <apombo@johlt.com> To: "jose fernandes" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com>, prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 2:27:30 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] FW:  Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo Jose' - thank you for the information you sent to Sophie below. Antonio Fernandes Pombo (born around 1883) married to Maria Clara de Jesus (Sequeira)in 1910 is my grandfather and grandmother. My great grandparents were Antonio Fernandes Pombo (born around 1850) and Maria Antonia De Jesus.. Is there a way to find their parents. Do you know if there are records that go back to about 1820? Ponta do Pargo? Thanks! Avelino Pombo ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Phillip, Love the Maderia ARM it is such a great resource! Thank You! I will let you all know when we get to the bottom of things. Sophie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Rodrigues" <philrod51@yahoo.ca> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo Sophie, Try this link- It will take you to the ARM website, passport records for Manuel Fernandes Pombo. there are several hits which you can investigate. http://armdigital.arquivo-madeira.org:81/bds/passaportesuk/CListaPassaplist.asp?psearch=Manuel+Fernandes+Pombo&Submit=Search+%A0%28*%29&psearchtype= Cheers Philip ________________________________ From: Sophie Souza <kindnessmatters4all@gmail.com> To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 7:32:40 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo Hello I am trying to figure out a family relation between Manuel Fernandes Pombo and Antonio F. Pombo both from Ponto do Pargo they were together on the ship Olympic 1912. they were both 29. If this is the Manuel Pombo that I am related to he would born about 1881 his wife was Joanna (Barboza) Pombo. Thanks you. Sophie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Avelino, If I may interject, use this link to search the records at the Madeira archives. http://www.arquivo-madeira.org/item1.php?lang=1&id_channel=28&id_page=214 In the meantime here is what I found for your ancestor in the marriages. António Fernandes Pombo     Maria Clara de Jesus     Ponta do Pargo     1910     7800 A     9 António Fernandes Pombo     Maria de Gouveia     Ponta do Pargo     1897     7787 A     13 António Fernandes Pombo     Francisca Maria     Ponta do Pargo     1772     1117     11 v.º António Fernandes Pombo     Lourença Maria Luís     Ponta do Pargo     1803     1118     5 António Fernandes Pombo     Maria Júlia de Sousa     Ponta do Pargo     1837     1119     21 António Fernandes Pombo     Maria Antónia de Jesus     Ponta do Pargo     1879     4885     8 Cheers Philip http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ ________________________________ From: Avelino Pombo <apombo@johlt.com> To: jose.fernandes@rogers.com; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 10:27:30 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] FW: Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo Jose' - thank you for the information you sent to Sophie below. Antonio Fernandes Pombo (born around 1883) married to Maria Clara de Jesus (Sequeira)in 1910 is my grandfather and grandmother. My great grandparents were Antonio Fernandes Pombo (born around 1850) and Maria Antonia De Jesus.. Is there a way to find their parents. Do you know if there are records that go back to about 1820? Ponta do Pargo? Thanks! Avelino Pombo

Hello again Jose, I agree that confirms the information. And thank you. Through facebook I have connected with Avelino for a few weeks now, he and I have been trying to figure out our relatives exact connection. I don't seem to see a post here for Avelino...... So I am not sure what the offer is that you extended? Hope to hear more. And thank you it truly is appreciated. Sophie ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOSE FERNANDES" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Fw: Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo It may have been a mistake but it confirms the info. Please note the answer that I gave to Avelino. You should connect. The offer is also extended to you to get you started. I have to go to the archives anyway. Please not that in current Portuguese is spelled Barbosa. José Fernandes ________________________________ From: sophie <ssouza173@gsinet.net> To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 1:15:24 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Fw: Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOSE FERNANDES" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo Hello Jose, Thank you for taking the time to look this up for me. Yes my G. Grandmother Joana was a Barboza as far as I have known , but know saying that I have seen my grandparents marriage certificate and it had my G. Grandmother's name on it and it read: Joana Mendes. Which I wonder at the time if it was a mistake......... maybe not then. I am thinking that they are cousins if I had to guess. But thank you. You have been most helpful. Thanks again Sophie Sophie, If you do a search on the Madeira Archives you possibly find these two individuals. They may be as follows: Manuel Fernandes Pombo married Joana Mendes da Encarnação (did she change her name to Barbosa?) in 1904. This is the only Manuel Fernandes Pombo married to a Joana in Ponta do Pargo and for that matter in the whole island. António Fernandes Pombo married Maria Clara de Jesus in 1910. Same age? Are they twins? Cousins? If these seem to be the people you are searching, you should request a copy of the marriage document. It will contain the parents. Good luck. José Fernandes ________________________________ From: Sophie Souza <kindnessmatters4all@gmail.com> To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 7:32:40 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo Hello I am trying to figure out a family relation between Manuel Fernandes Pombo and Antonio F. Pombo both from Ponto do Pargo they were together on the ship Olympic 1912. they were both 29. If this is the Manuel Pombo that I am related to he would born about 1881 his wife was Joanna (Barboza) Pombo. Thanks you. Sophie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Avelino, use this link for the passports.   José Fernandes ________________________________ From: sophie <ssouza173@gsinet.net> To: Philip Rodrigues <philrod51@yahoo.ca>; prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 12:25:57 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo Hello Phillip,     Love the Maderia ARM  it is such a great resource!  Thank You! I will let you all know when we get to the bottom of things. Sophie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Rodrigues" <philrod51@yahoo.ca> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo Sophie, Try this link- It will take you to the ARM website, passport records for Manuel Fernandes Pombo. there are several hits which you can investigate. http://armdigital.arquivo-madeira.org:81/bds/passaportesuk/CListaPassaplist.asp?psearch=Manuel+Fernandes+Pombo&Submit=Search+%A0%28*%29&psearchtype= Cheers Philip ________________________________ From: Sophie Souza <kindnessmatters4all@gmail.com> To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 7:32:40 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo Hello I am trying to figure out a family relation between Manuel Fernandes Pombo and Antonio F. Pombo both from Ponto do Pargo they were together on the ship Olympic 1912. they were both 29.  If this is the Manuel Pombo that I am related to he would born about 1881 his wife was Joanna (Barboza) Pombo. Thanks you. Sophie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It may have been a mistake but it confirms the info. Please  note the answer that I gave to Avelino. You should connect. The offer is also extended to you to get you started. I have to go to the archives anyway. Please not that in current Portuguese is spelled Barbosa.    José Fernandes ________________________________ From: sophie <ssouza173@gsinet.net> To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 1:15:24 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Fw: Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOSE FERNANDES" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo Hello Jose,     Thank you for taking the time to look this up for me.  Yes my G. Grandmother Joana was a Barboza as far as I have known , but know saying that I have seen my grandparents marriage certificate and it had my G. Grandmother's name on it and it read: Joana Mendes. Which I wonder at the time if it was a mistake......... maybe not then.  I am thinking that they are cousins if I had to guess. But thank you. You have been most helpful. Thanks again Sophie Sophie, If you do a search on the Madeira Archives you possibly find these two individuals. They may be as follows: Manuel Fernandes Pombo married Joana Mendes da Encarnação (did she change her name to Barbosa?) in 1904. This is the only Manuel Fernandes Pombo married to a Joana in Ponta do Pargo and for that matter in the whole island. António Fernandes Pombo married Maria Clara de Jesus in 1910. Same age? Are they twins? Cousins? If these seem to be the people you are searching, you should request a copy of the marriage document. It will contain the parents. Good luck. José Fernandes ________________________________ From: Sophie Souza <kindnessmatters4all@gmail.com> To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 7:32:40 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo Hello I am trying to figure out a family relation between Manuel Fernandes Pombo and Antonio F. Pombo both from Ponto do Pargo they were together on the ship Olympic 1912. they were both 29.  If this is the Manuel Pombo that I am related to he would born about 1881 his wife was Joanna (Barboza) Pombo. Thanks you. Sophie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jose' - thank you for the information you sent to Sophie below. Antonio Fernandes Pombo (born around 1883) married to Maria Clara de Jesus (Sequeira)in 1910 is my grandfather and grandmother. My great grandparents were Antonio Fernandes Pombo (born around 1850) and Maria Antonia De Jesus.. Is there a way to find their parents. Do you know if there are records that go back to about 1820? Ponta do Pargo? Thanks! Avelino Pombo ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOSE FERNANDES" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo Sophie, If you do a search on the Madeira Archives you possibly find these two individuals. They may be as follows: Manuel Fernandes Pombo married Joana Mendes da Encarnação (did she change her name to Barbosa?) in 1904. This is the only Manuel Fernandes Pombo married to a Joana in Ponta do Pargo and for that matter in the whole island. António Fernandes Pombo married Maria Clara de Jesus in 1910. Same age? Are they twins? Cousins? If these seem to be the people you are searching, you should request a copy of the marriage document. It will contain the parents. Good luck. José Fernandes ________________________________ From: Sophie Souza <kindnessmatters4all@gmail.com> To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 7:32:40 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo Hello I am trying to figure out a family relation between Manuel Fernandes Pombo and Antonio F. Pombo both from Ponto do Pargo they were together on the ship Olympic 1912. they were both 29. If this is the Manuel Pombo that I am related to he would born about 1881 his wife was Joanna (Barboza) Pombo. Thanks you. Sophie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------ End of Forwarded Message

----- Original Message ----- From: "JOSE FERNANDES" <jose.fernandes@rogers.com> To: <prt-madeira@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo Hello Jose, Thank you for taking the time to look this up for me. Yes my G. Grandmother Joana was a Barboza as far as I have known , but know saying that I have seen my grandparents marriage certificate and it had my G. Grandmother's name on it and it read: Joana Mendes. Which I wonder at the time if it was a mistake......... maybe not then. I am thinking that they are cousins if I had to guess. But thank you. You have been most helpful. Thanks again Sophie Sophie, If you do a search on the Madeira Archives you possibly find these two individuals. They may be as follows: Manuel Fernandes Pombo married Joana Mendes da Encarnação (did she change her name to Barbosa?) in 1904. This is the only Manuel Fernandes Pombo married to a Joana in Ponta do Pargo and for that matter in the whole island. António Fernandes Pombo married Maria Clara de Jesus in 1910. Same age? Are they twins? Cousins? If these seem to be the people you are searching, you should request a copy of the marriage document. It will contain the parents. Good luck. José Fernandes ________________________________ From: Sophie Souza <kindnessmatters4all@gmail.com> To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 7:32:40 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo Hello I am trying to figure out a family relation between Manuel Fernandes Pombo and Antonio F. Pombo both from Ponto do Pargo they were together on the ship Olympic 1912. they were both 29. If this is the Manuel Pombo that I am related to he would born about 1881 his wife was Joanna (Barboza) Pombo. Thanks you. Sophie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sophie, Try this link- It will take you to the ARM website, passport records for Manuel Fernandes Pombo. there are several hits which you can investigate. http://armdigital.arquivo-madeira.org:81/bds/passaportesuk/CListaPassaplist.asp?psearch=Manuel+Fernandes+Pombo&Submit=Search+%A0%28*%29&psearchtype= Cheers Philip ________________________________ From: Sophie Souza <kindnessmatters4all@gmail.com> To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 7:32:40 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo Hello   I am trying to figure out a family relation between Manuel Fernandes Pombo and Antonio F. Pombo both from Ponto do Pargo they were together on the ship Olympic 1912. they were both 29.  If this is the Manuel Pombo that I am related to he would born about 1881 his wife was Joanna (Barboza) Pombo. Thanks you. Sophie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello I am trying to figure out a family relation between Manuel Fernandes Pombo and Antonio F. Pombo both from Ponto do Pargo they were together on the ship Olympic 1912. they were both 29. If this is the Manuel Pombo that I am related to he would born about 1881 his wife was Joanna (Barboza) Pombo. Thanks you. Sophie

Sophie, If you do a search on the Madeira Archives you possibly find these two individuals. They may be as follows: Manuel Fernandes Pombo married Joana Mendes da Encarnação (did she change her name to Barbosa?) in 1904. This is the only Manuel Fernandes Pombo married to a Joana in Ponta do Pargo and for that matter in the whole island. António Fernandes Pombo married Maria Clara de Jesus in 1910. Same age? Are they twins? Cousins? If these seem to be the people you are searching, you should request a copy of the marriage document. It will contain the parents.  Good luck.   José Fernandes ________________________________ From: Sophie Souza <kindnessmatters4all@gmail.com> To: PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 7:32:40 PM Subject: [PT-MADEIRA] Manuel and Antonio Pombo from Ponto do Pargo Hello   I am trying to figure out a family relation between Manuel Fernandes Pombo and Antonio F. Pombo both from Ponto do Pargo they were together on the ship Olympic 1912. they were both 29.  If this is the Manuel Pombo that I am related to he would born about 1881 his wife was Joanna (Barboza) Pombo. Thanks you. Sophie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi there,   This is just a reminder to make sure the messages you send back and forth are not too long or Rootsweb sends them to me for aproval. Sometimes Rootsweb adds a lot of junk at the end of e-mails so look for that and delete it or just make sure the messages are not too long.   Take care Luis Beal Administrator

Thanks, and thanks to translating what the doc. had to say.... I will use it to help me learn the key words in other doc. I get. I really can't express how thankfull I am to all of you on this site: for the help and patience you have helping people. Lou On Apr 28, 2012, prt-madeira-request@rootsweb.com wrote: ______________________________________________________________ Today's Topics: 1. Re: PRT-MADEIRA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 36 (JAndrade1) ______________________________________________________________ You did good to get to the doc, since the link looks like it took two lines in the Rootsweb email (the link ends with "offset=3"). You should have downloads it, though, instead of copying it: use the printer icon and then when prompted save it as a pdf or something instead of printing, should give better resolution. That should save it to your desktop (at least on Mac). Yep, that is the marriage doc itself. The gist of it is that on 4/24/1841, Father Filippe de Santiago Lamelino Macedo, curate of the church of Sao Pedro, married Luis Joao Pereira, born in Sao Pedro, legitimate son of Manuel Joao Pereira, born in Faja da Ovelha, and Maria Rita, born in Canico, all living in Sao Pedro, with Maria da Encarnacao, born in Santa Luzia, legitimate daughter of Manuel de Gouveia, dead, born in Santo Antonio da Serra, and Antonia de Jesus, born in Sao Goncalo, all living in Sao Pedro. Witnesses were Nicolau de Freitas and Antonio Nunes. Jeff On Apr 27, 2012, at 8:50 PM, Lou Henderson wrote: ------------ Forwarded message ------------ From: [1]lou_henderson@lycos.com Date: Apr 27, 2012 Subject: Re: PRT-MADEIRA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 36 To: [2]prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Thanks to both of you again...I copied the document , not really clear, but I will try to read it. I have a list of Portugues words to English so will do what I can. I take it the marriage doc. is not be this web site or is that what I am looking at? Thanks again, Lou On Apr 27, 2012, [1][3]prt-madeira-request@rootsweb.com wrote: ______________________________________________________________ Today's Topics: 1. Re: Loija (Miguel de Castro Henriques) 2. Re: PRT-MADEIRA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 33 (JAndrade1) ______________________________________________________________ Hi Phillip it's spellt Loja. Cheers MCH On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Philip Rodrigues <[2][4]philrod51@yahoo.ca>wrote: > Can anyone help me with this surname Loija. I'm not sure if it spelt > correctly. Am I missing an accent? > I appreciate it. > Cheers > > > > Philip > [3][5]http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [4][6]PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ______________________________________________________________ OK, here's the links you are looking for: [5][7]http://armdigital.arquivo-madeira.org/armdigital/component/armd/?vie w=i tem&prq=PT-ARM-PFUN08%2F2%2F130&folha=048v&offset=3 That should bring you right to the page of the doc you want. Jeff On Apr 27, 2012, at 10:11 AM, Thomas Freitas wrote: Lou, If you get the marriage document from the Madeira Archives, that will most likely have both parents and possibly grandparents and others on it. Husband Wife Parish Year Book Leaf/Page Luís João Pereira Maria da Encarnação São Pedro 1841 130 48 v.º Tom Freitas -----Original Message----- From: [6][8]prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [[7][9]mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lou Henderson Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 5:39 PM To: [8][10]prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] PRT-MADEIRA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 33 Tom, again thanks.....Jeff, I went to the web site and then clicked on baptisms and could not get anything to come up....perhaps I just don't know how to navigate the site....I thought perhaps the baptism would have the parents name...especially Maria da Encarmacao.. again thanks to all of you, Lou On Apr 25, 2012, [1][9][11]prt-madeira-request@rootsweb.com wrote: ______________________________________________________________ Today's Topics: 1. Re: PRT-MADEIRA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 29 (JAndrade1) 2. Re: PRT-MADEIRA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 29 (Philip Rodrigues) ______________________________________________________________ Hey guys, you know you can see the jpgs of these documents on the Arquivo website, don't you? Go to [2][10][12]http://armdigital.arquivo-madeira.org/armdigital/component/armd /?vi ew=f undo&prq=PT-ARM-PFUN08&offset=0 and then look art the Itens Relacionados. They have photographed most of the records for Sao Pedro and Se, but not much of the rest of the parishes. Jeff On Apr 24, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Thomas Freitas wrote: Lou, All this information is on the Maderia Archive pages, it just takes a little time to figure out how to obtain. Children of Carlos Luís João Pereira and Maria da Encarnação Name Parish Date Book Leaf/Page Carlos São Pedro 19-02-1861 1365 16 v.º-17 Joaquim São Pedro 25-10-1863 1367 57-57 v.º José São Pedro 13-01-1850 118 42-42 v.º Jacinto São Pedro 02-04-1852 118 112 v.º Carolina São Pedro 31-08-1856 118 273 v.º-274 Maria São Pedro 08-10-1854 118 203 v.º-204 Tom Freitas -----Original Message----- From: [3][11][13]prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [[4][12][14]mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lou Henderson Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 7:36 PM To: [5][13][15]prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] PRT-MADEIRA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 29 On Apr 20, 2012, [6][14][16]prt-madeira-request@rootsweb.com wrote: ______________________________________________________________ Today's Topics: 1. Re: PRT-MADEIRA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 27 (Thomas Freitas) 2. Re: PRT-MADEIRA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 27 (Thomas Freitas) 3. DNA Day is here and Family Tree DNA is having a sale through Sat, April 21st (Cheri Mello) ______________________________________________________________ Tom, no I did not have the passport infor..thanks.....I think we have chatted before. My great grandmother was also an Agrela but on my grandfathers' side of the family. Antonia de Agrela ( b. abt 1850 of Prazeres, Madeira, Portugal. m. 1867 to Antonio Goncalves Lourenco. How did they come up with Encarnacao from Agrela or why. Also do you have any other info on Luis Joao Pereira as perhaps a brother or other siblings...The one born 1847? Lou I would assume that you have their passport information; Petitioner Luís João Pereira Spouse ** Parish/Country São Pedro-RAM Destination Honolulu-Hawai Year 1878 Box 14 Process Nº 142 Passport Nº 175 Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 25-04-1847 Age (Petitioner) 31 Father (Petitioner) Luís João Pereira Mother (Petitioner) Maria da Encarnação Comments Estado civil: solteiro. Notice that the above shows the parents of Luis being the names that you mentioned. Also, it is not uncommon for a women to change her name. My great grandmother had the last name of de Agrela, but also used Encarnação. Tom Freitas -----Original Message----- From: [1][7][15][17]prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [[2][8][16][18]mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lou Henderson Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:07 PM To: [3][9][17][19]prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] PRT-MADEIRA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 27 I received the information I have from the Portuguese Genealogical & Historical Society O Hawaii. Luis Joao Periera and Maria da Encarnacao are the withness for my grandmothers marriage in 1904 in Hawaii. They sent me a group sheet with Luis Joao Pereira and Maria da Encarnacao being her parents. Luis Joao Pereira has passport registration 27 May 1878. and I have nothing on Maria da Encarnacao. Now what makes this confusings is: I have a Certificate of Baptism from Our Lady of Lourdes Catholic Church in Hamakua Hawaii and it has on it the date of birth of my grandmother and her Parents as Manuel Pereira and Maria Conceicao. I have these two coming to Hawaii in 1883, but cannot find them in any census after that, or any information on them. I figured if I could trace Luis Joao Periera and his wife Maria da Encarnacao back to Portugal I might be able to link the two families and make some sense of this conflicting information. I have a call in to the Catholic Church in Hawaii and I am going to send a copy of the Baptism for them to verify and I am going to ask if there is any Maria Pereira's baptised to the parents of Luis Joao Pereira and Maria da Encarnacao in 1887. I don't think that Luis Joao Periera and Maria da Encarnacao are my grandmothers' parents...but I think they may be related and I want to know how. Thanks for all the help to all of you Lou Henderson On Apr 17, 2012, [1][4][10][18][20]prt-madeira-request@rootsweb.com wrote: ______________________________________________________________ Today's Topics: 1. Re: Luis Joao Pereira and Maria da Encarnacao (JAndrade1) ______________________________________________________________ You will likely need a bit more information to use the passport database on Arquivo-Madeira.org to determine a lineage. When did she leave Madeira, roughly? Did she leave very young, with her parents or later? Single or married when she left? How do you know that her parents are Luis Joao Pereira and Maria da Encarnacao are her parents? There is a lot on Sao Pedro online at ARMdigital.arquivo-madeira.com, so you can hunt around there and see the actual record itself. Sometimes, there is info in the averbamente that is in the margins of the record, such as death and marriages, even if in a foreign country. Jeff On Apr 15, 2012, at 11:14 PM, Lou Henderson wrote: Looking for information on Luis Joao Pereira, born 1847 Sao Pedro, Funchal, Maderia, Portugal and his wife Maria da Encarnacao, birth? but from Sao Pedro, Funchal, Maderia, Portugal....Trying to find out if Maria Pereira born 1887 Hawaii was related to them. Maria Pereira is my grand mother. Thanks, Lou ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [2][5][11][19][21]PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________________________ To contact the PRT-MADEIRA list administrator, send an email to [3][6][12][20][22]PRT-MADEIRA-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the PRT-MADEIRA mailing list, send an email to [4][7][13][21][23]PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [5][8][14][22][24]PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. References 1. [9][15][23][25]mailto:prt-madeira-request@rootsweb.com 2. [10][16][24][26]mailto:PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com 3. [11][17][25][27]mailto:PRT-MADEIRA-admin@rootsweb.com 4. [12][18][26][28]mailto:PRT-MADEIRA@rootsweb.com 5. [13][19][27][29]mailto:PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [14][20][28][30]PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________________________ Lou, Forgot to send you the marriage information on his parents in Madeira. Marriage Document Husband Wife Parish Year Book Leaf/Page Luís João Pereira Maria da Encarnação São Pedro 1841 130 48 v.º Send for the marriage document and in most cases, you will receive loads of family information. Tom Freitas -----Original Message----- From: [15][21][29][31]prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [[16][22][30][32]mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lou Henderson Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:07 PM To: [17][23][31][33]prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] PRT-MADEIRA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 27 I received the information I have from the Portuguese Genealogical & Historical Society O Hawaii. Luis Joao Periera and Maria da Encarnacao are the withness for my grandmothers marriage in 1904 in Hawaii. They sent me a group sheet with Luis Joao Pereira and Maria da Encarnacao being her parents. Luis Joao Pereira has passport registration 27 May 1878. and I have nothing on Maria da Encarnacao. Now what makes this confusings is: I have a Certificate of Baptism from Our Lady of Lourdes Catholic Church in Hamakua Hawaii and it has on it the date of birth of my grandmother and her Parents as Manuel Pereira and Maria Conceicao. I have these two coming to Hawaii in 1883, but cannot find them in any census after that, or any information on them. I figured if I could trace Luis Joao Periera and his wife Maria da Encarnacao back to Portugal I might be able to link the two families and make some sense of this conflicting information. I have a call in to the Catholic Church in Hawaii and I am going to send a copy of the Baptism for them to verify and I am going to ask if there is any Maria Pereira's baptised to the parents of Luis Joao Pereira and Maria da Encarnacao in 1887. I don't think that Luis Joao Periera and Maria da Encarnacao are my grandmothers' parents...but I think they may be related and I want to know how. Thanks for all the help to all of you Lou Henderson On Apr 17, 2012, [1][18][24][32][34]prt-madeira-request@rootsweb.com wrote: ______________________________________________________________ Today's Topics: 1. Re: Luis Joao Pereira and Maria da Encarnacao (JAndrade1) ______________________________________________________________ You will likely need a bit more information to use the passport database on Arquivo-Madeira.org to determine a lineage. When did she leave Madeira, roughly? Did she leave very young, with her parents or later? Single or married when she left? How do you know that her parents are Luis Joao Pereira and Maria da Encarnacao are her parents? There is a lot on Sao Pedro online at ARMdigital.arquivo-madeira.com, so you can hunt around there and see the actual record itself. Sometimes, there is info in the averbamente that is in the margins of the record, such as death and marriages, even if in a foreign country. Jeff On Apr 15, 2012, at 11:14 PM, Lou Henderson wrote: Looking for information on Luis Joao Pereira, born 1847 Sao Pedro, Funchal, Maderia, Portugal and his wife Maria da Encarnacao, birth? but from Sao Pedro, Funchal, Maderia, Portugal....Trying to find out if Maria Pereira born 1887 Hawaii was related to them. Maria Pereira is my grand mother. Thanks, Lou ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [2][19][25][33][35]PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________________________ To contact the PRT-MADEIRA list administrator, send an email to [3][20][26][34][36]PRT-MADEIRA-admin@rootsweb.com. 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Philip [73][81][83]http://rodriguesfamily.tribalpages.com/ ________________________________ From: JAndrade1 <[74][82][84]JAndrade1@verizon.net> To: [75][83][85]prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 7:21:20 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] PRT-MADEIRA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 29 Hey guys, you know you can see the jpgs of these documents on the Arquivo website, don't you? Go to [76][84][86]http://armdigital.arquivo-madeira.org/armdigital/component/arm d/?v iew= fundo&prq=PT-ARM-PFUN08&offset=0 and then look art the Itens Relacionados. They have photographed most of the records for Sao Pedro and Se, but not much of the rest of the parishes. Jeff On Apr 24, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Thomas Freitas wrote: Lou, All this information is on the Maderia Archive pages, it just takes a little time to figure out how to obtain. Children of Carlos Luís João Pereira and Maria da Encarnação Name Parish Date Book Leaf/Page Carlos São Pedro 19-02-1861 1365 16 v.º-17 Joaquim São Pedro 25-10-1863 1367 57-57 v.º José São Pedro 13-01-1850 118 42-42 v.º Jacinto São Pedro 02-04-1852 118 112 v.º Carolina São Pedro 31-08-1856 118 273 v.º-274 Maria São Pedro 08-10-1854 118 203 v.º-204 Tom Freitas -----Original Message----- From: [77][85][87]prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [[78][86][88]mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lou Henderson Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 7:36 PM To: [79][87][89]prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] PRT-MADEIRA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 29 On Apr 20, 2012, [80][88][90]prt-madeira-request@rootsweb.com wrote: ______________________________________________________________ Today's Topics: 1. Re: PRT-MADEIRA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 27 (Thomas Freitas) 2. Re: PRT-MADEIRA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 27 (Thomas Freitas) 3. DNA Day is here and Family Tree DNA is having a sale through Sat, April 21st (Cheri Mello) ______________________________________________________________ Tom, no I did not have the passport infor..thanks.....I think we have chatted before. My great grandmother was also an Agrela but on my grandfathers' side of the family. Antonia de Agrela ( b. abt 1850 of Prazeres, Madeira, Portugal. m. 1867 to Antonio Goncalves Lourenco. How did they come up with Encarnacao from Agrela or why. Also do you have any other info on Luis Joao Pereira as perhaps a brother or other siblings...The one born 1847? Lou I would assume that you have their passport information; Petitioner Luís João Pereira Spouse ** Parish/Country São Pedro-RAM Destination Honolulu-Hawai Year 1878 Box 14 Process Nº 142 Passport Nº 175 Date of Baptism (Petitioner) 25-04-1847 Age (Petitioner) 31 Father (Petitioner) Luís João Pereira Mother (Petitioner) Maria da Encarnação Comments Estado civil: solteiro. Notice that the above shows the parents of Luis being the names that you mentioned. Also, it is not uncommon for a women to change her name. My great grandmother had the last name of de Agrela, but also used Encarnação. Tom Freitas -----Original Message----- From: [1][81][89][91]prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [[2][82][90][92]mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lou Henderson Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:07 PM To: [3][83][91][93]prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] PRT-MADEIRA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 27 I received the information I have from the Portuguese Genealogical & Historical Society O Hawaii. Luis Joao Periera and Maria da Encarnacao are the withness for my grandmothers marriage in 1904 in Hawaii. They sent me a group sheet with Luis Joao Pereira and Maria da Encarnacao being her parents. Luis Joao Pereira has passport registration 27 May 1878. and I have nothing on Maria da Encarnacao. Now what makes this confusings is: I have a Certificate of Baptism from Our Lady of Lourdes Catholic Church in Hamakua Hawaii and it has on it the date of birth of my grandmother and her Parents as Manuel Pereira and Maria Conceicao. I have these two coming to Hawaii in 1883, but cannot find them in any census after that, or any information on them. I figured if I could trace Luis Joao Periera and his wife Maria da Encarnacao back to Portugal I might be able to link the two families and make some sense of this conflicting information. I have a call in to the Catholic Church in Hawaii and I am going to send a copy of the Baptism for them to verify and I am going to ask if there is any Maria Pereira's baptised to the parents of Luis Joao Pereira and Maria da Encarnacao in 1887. I don't think that Luis Joao Periera and Maria da Encarnacao are my grandmothers' parents...but I think they may be related and I want to know how. Thanks for all the help to all of you Lou Henderson On Apr 17, 2012, [1][4][84][92][94]prt-madeira-request@rootsweb.com wrote: ______________________________________________________________ Today's Topics: 1. Re: Luis Joao Pereira and Maria da Encarnacao (JAndrade1) ______________________________________________________________ You will likely need a bit more information to use the passport database on Arquivo-Madeira.org to determine a lineage. When did she leave Madeira, roughly? Did she leave very young, with her parents or later? Single or married when she left? How do you know that her parents are Luis Joao Pereira and Maria da Encarnacao are her parents? There is a lot on Sao Pedro online at ARMdigital.arquivo-madeira.com, so you can hunt around there and see the actual record itself. Sometimes, there is info in the averbamente that is in the margins of the record, such as death and marriages, even if in a foreign country. Jeff On Apr 15, 2012, at 11:14 PM, Lou Henderson wrote: Looking for information on Luis Joao Pereira, born 1847 Sao Pedro, Funchal, Maderia, Portugal and his wife Maria da Encarnacao, birth? but from Sao Pedro, Funchal, Maderia, Portugal....Trying to find out if Maria Pereira born 1887 Hawaii was related to them. Maria Pereira is my grand mother. Thanks, Lou ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [2][5][85][93][95]PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________________________ To contact the PRT-MADEIRA list administrator, send an email to [3][6][86][94][96]PRT-MADEIRA-admin@rootsweb.com. 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[13][93][101][103]mailto:PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [14][94][102][104]PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________________________ Lou, Forgot to send you the marriage information on his parents in Madeira. Marriage Document Husband Wife Parish Year Book Leaf/Page Luís João Pereira Maria da Encarnação São Pedro 1841 130 48 v.º Send for the marriage document and in most cases, you will receive loads of family information. Tom Freitas -----Original Message----- From: [15][95][103][105]prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com [[16][96][104][106]mailto:prt-madeira-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lou Henderson Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:07 PM To: [17][97][105][107]prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] PRT-MADEIRA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 27 I received the information I have from the Portuguese Genealogical & Historical Society O Hawaii. Luis Joao Periera and Maria da Encarnacao are the withness for my grandmothers marriage in 1904 in Hawaii. They sent me a group sheet with Luis Joao Pereira and Maria da Encarnacao being her parents. Luis Joao Pereira has passport registration 27 May 1878. and I have nothing on Maria da Encarnacao. Now what makes this confusings is: I have a Certificate of Baptism from Our Lady of Lourdes Catholic Church in Hamakua Hawaii and it has on it the date of birth of my grandmother and her Parents as Manuel Pereira and Maria Conceicao. I have these two coming to Hawaii in 1883, but cannot find them in any census after that, or any information on them. I figured if I could trace Luis Joao Periera and his wife Maria da Encarnacao back to Portugal I might be able to link the two families and make some sense of this conflicting information. I have a call in to the Catholic Church in Hawaii and I am going to send a copy of the Baptism for them to verify and I am going to ask if there is any Maria Pereira's baptised to the parents of Luis Joao Pereira and Maria da Encarnacao in 1887. I don't think that Luis Joao Periera and Maria da Encarnacao are my grandmothers' parents...but I think they may be related and I want to know how. Thanks for all the help to all of you Lou Henderson On Apr 17, 2012, [1][18][98][106][108]prt-madeira-request@rootsweb.com wrote: ______________________________________________________________ Today's Topics: 1. Re: Luis Joao Pereira and Maria da Encarnacao (JAndrade1) ______________________________________________________________ You will likely need a bit more information to use the passport database on Arquivo-Madeira.org to determine a lineage. When did she leave Madeira, roughly? Did she leave very young, with her parents or later? Single or married when she left? How do you know that her parents are Luis Joao Pereira and Maria da Encarnacao are her parents? There is a lot on Sao Pedro online at ARMdigital.arquivo-madeira.com, so you can hunt around there and see the actual record itself. Sometimes, there is info in the averbamente that is in the margins of the record, such as death and marriages, even if in a foreign country. Jeff On Apr 15, 2012, at 11:14 PM, Lou Henderson wrote: Looking for information on Luis Joao Pereira, born 1847 Sao Pedro, Funchal, Maderia, Portugal and his wife Maria da Encarnacao, birth? but from Sao Pedro, Funchal, Maderia, Portugal....Trying to find out if Maria Pereira born 1887 Hawaii was related to them. Maria Pereira is my grand mother. Thanks, Lou ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [2][19][99][107][109]PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________________________ To contact the PRT-MADEIRA list administrator, send an email to [3][20][100][108][110]PRT-MADEIRA-admin@rootsweb.com. 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No, you don't have to create a log in. To search you are better off using (for marriages and baptisms, respectively): http://armdigital.arquivo-madeira.org:81/bds/casamentosuk/Ccasamentossrch.asp http://armdigital.arquivo-madeira.org:81/bds/baptismosuk/ClistaBaptismossrch.asp Then going to the individual scanned pages I referenced before. Also, if you go to http://armdigital.arquivo-madeira.org/armdigital/fundos-e-coleccoes-disponiveis-no-armdigital.html that gets you a tree of all the site contents. Jeff On Apr 28, 2012, at 11:33 AM, David L. DeGrella wrote: Jeff, I can't find the search feature. I see a log-in. Does one have to create an account first? David DeGrella ----- Original Message ----- From: JAndrade1 To: prt-madeira@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [PT-MADEIRA] PRT-MADEIRA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 29 Hey guys, you know you can see the jpgs of these documents on the Arquivo website, don't you? Go to http://armdigital.arquivo-madeira.org/armdigital/component/armd/?view=fundo&prq=PT-ARM-PFUN08&offset=0 and then look art the Itens Relacionados. They have photographed most of the records for Sao Pedro and Se, but not much of the rest of the parishes. Jeff ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRT-MADEIRA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message