Thank you Pat and Theresa for the suggestions on how to view images on the Nesos site. I will try that. Pat , my Drummonds are as follows as far as I can find, some not proven: These are my great grandparents in #1. 1.Maria Amelia Gaspar B) 9-1-1863 Porto Santo Portugal D) 10-29-1946 Honolulu, Hawaii M) Manuel Antoino Fernandez B) Portugal D) Honolulu before 1910 and after 1900 2. Manuel Gaspar Drummond B 4-21-1841 Porto Santo, Portugal D)1-13-1933 Hawaii M) Maria Pestana de Vasconcellos b) 1844 D) 7-29-1935 worked as seamstress and Governess for Waterhouse and Wilcox families Their children marred into the Teves, Gomes, Jardine and Fernandez families in Hawaii 3. Gaspar - do-O- Drummond married to Joanna de Vasconcelos (her parents were Joao Alexandre De Vasconcelos and Teresa de Vasconcelos 4.Joao Luis Drummond m) Lucrecia Escordio (her parents Manuel Jose D. Oliveira and D. Antonia Drummond Joao parents were Manuel Escordio Ferreira da Silva Then after this I'm not so sure so won't write it here. I'm not sure of the parentage of Gaspar-do-o Drummond either. It's rather confusing. I also am having trouble

The marriage database that is...now don't everyone go rushing on at once...don't want it to come crashing down again!!!!!!!! :-) Happy Hunting! Cece

Hi Pat, Not sure if I'm listing this correctly but here goes: My grandparents were: Grandmother: Maria Angelica de Gois Mendonca born -23/04/1908 Sao Pedro, Funchal Died 12/07/1974) – Johannesburg, South Africa Her parents were: António de Góis de Mendonça and Georgina Paula de Góis - I've found the marriage listing on ARM and am ordering the film from FHC which will hopefully provide me with birthdates and gg-parents names. They were married in Santa Maria Maior 1898. Grandfather: Joao Carlos Goes de Mendonca Born – 31/03/1906 - Porto Santo Died-11/03/1981 - Johannesburg He was 'Natural de Piedade –Porto Santo' according to an entry on my dad's birth certificate. His parents were: Joao Gois Mendonca and Maria Jardim de Goes. I haven't been able to find anything for this couple on ARM. Too many same surnames...very confusing! I have ordered my grandparents birth certificates from the arquivo, hopefully I'll be able to get more information. My grandparents only immigrated to South Africa in the late 50s. I believe my grandmother had a couple of sisters who immigrated to the US but they lost contact. I'm trying to contact other relatives for more information but that's a slow process as I'm only just getting acquainted with this side of the family, so understandably, there is some reluctance to answer 'probing' questions. One of my grandfather's brothers immigrated to Brazil. Is there anyway to search how many children a couple had? That's about all I have for now. Any pointers will be greatly appreciated. Thanks for all your postings. They're very interesting, motivating and helpful. Janette -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Corbera [mailto:papagaia2@sbcglobal.net] Sent: March 14, 2005 2:25 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [PRT-MADEIRA] Need help reading a marriage record Janette, What are some of the Mendonca names that you do have, and what area of Madeira ? Or is it only Porto Santo? Pat janettechun <janettechun@shaw.ca> wrote: Thanks Pat. Much appreciated. I believe the Mendoncas I'm looking for are from Madeira-Porto Santo. Janette -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Corbera [mailto:papagaia2@sbcglobal.net] Sent: March 14, 2005 1:56 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [PRT-MADEIRA] Need help reading a marriage record Janette, many surnames are featured, I didn't see one for Mendonca... but the Mendonca (with variations in the spelling of) can be found in the Teixeira and Perestrelo titulos. Here's the website address where these titulos are located: http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/familiapaiva/NobiliariodaIlhadaMadeira /indice_dos_tomos.htm. My maternal aunt, now deceased, was married to a Mendonca, I believe Sao. Roque, Madeira. Yes, the surname does back to the very early days, as you will see when viewing the Perestrello titulo. Happy Hunting, Pat janettechun wrote: Pat, Would you know if something similar exists for the Mendonca (Mendoca) family? I've heard that this family name goes back to the very early days of the island's colonization but I haven't been very successful in finding much information on the family in terms of the island. Lots of very interesting historic material on family name on sapo.pt. Janette -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Corbera [mailto:papagaia2@sbcglobal.net] Sent: March 12, 2005 10:04 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRT-MADEIRA] Need help reading a marriage record Information on this family can be found in " Nobiliario da Ilha da Madeira." Under the "titulo" Coutos Cardosos. http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/familiapaiva/NobiliariodaIlhadaMadeira /coutos_cardosos.htm As well as the "titulo," for the Cabraes. http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/familiapaiva/NobiliariodaIlhadaMadeira /cabraes.htm Pat Luis Beal wrote: This is how I read the document: D. Joana de Couto Cardoso, N. (for Nascida, born) 1598, B. (for batizada, baptized) in Calheta, L. 4 (livro 4, 4th book) on Sep 11th 1599, c.c. married to Manuel Cabral de Aguiar, in title of Cortes. Then if you go to page 294v, #4 it says Manuel married Joana on July 2nd 1622 in Calheta. It actually begins by saying that after he became a widow he became a priest (clerigo). On a side note says: I think he married D. Joanna d'Andrade, daughter of Joao de Franca e Castro, in title of Francas e Castro, N3, 1,pg 295v. He has the very same marriage date for this latter Joana as for the first one which means you need to get some microfilms and figure out which one he really married. Abbreviations: N-nascido/a - born; B- batisada/o - baptism; CC- casou com - married; M- morreu - died; tt- titulo- title;; f- folha - page; 294 - page 294; 294v - back of page 294. Hope that helps. Luis Beal M B wrote: This is the best I could transcribe an online record. Can anyone tell me what the year 1598 may be a reference to? 1599? The letter looks like a capital "N," but it can't be a birth date since she got married in 1599--or not? What does the "B" mean? D. Joanna de Couto Cardoso, N. 1598, B. na Calheta, L. 4., en 11 de Sept de 1599, c.c. Manuel Cabral d'Aguiar, en tto de Cortes..... (Miranda's Apontamentos para a Genealogia de Diversas Familias da Madeira, p. 308) According to Noronho's "Nobiliario," Joana was born 1590, and no marriage date was given. Maybe I am misunderstanding or misreading Miranda's handwritten notes. Any theories would be much appreciated! Michelle __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. 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Hi, I had the same problem, I had to disable my firewall protection. I fooled around with it for a while before I finally figured it out. Works fine now! Theresa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dar Creuzer" <dar.creuzer@gmail.com> To: <PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 11:19 AM Subject: [PRT-MADEIRA] NESOS site > Hello add- I hope someone would be kind enough to help me. I have been > to the Nesos site many times but have never been able to see the > images or any of the text they have there. I can do a search and all > comes up but when it gets down to going to the pages in the books and > records I can't see it. I know it at one time showed that you had to > have Applet to be able to see images. Is that still true and where > can I download a copy- does it still say that on the site. It won't > automatically download on my Mac computer when I go the the pages of > the text. Hope your not comfused yet .I used my son's PC computer > several years ago and it worked fine- i could see everything- he can't > help me with my questions, lives to far away. > > Thanks for you help in this matter- I sure would like to look to see > what it holds about my Drummond and Vasconcelos line. > Darlene > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > >

On Monday 14 March 2005 05:06 pm, janettechun wrote: > Thanks Pat. Much appreciated. I believe the Mendoncas I'm looking for > are from Madeira-Porto Santo. > > Janette > Janette - I am related to some Mendonças on Porto Santo. Do you have any names? Jeff

Janette, What are some of the Mendonca names that you do have, and what area of Madeira ? Or is it only Porto Santo? Pat janettechun <janettechun@shaw.ca> wrote: Thanks Pat. Much appreciated. I believe the Mendoncas I'm looking for are from Madeira-Porto Santo. Janette -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Corbera [mailto:papagaia2@sbcglobal.net] Sent: March 14, 2005 1:56 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [PRT-MADEIRA] Need help reading a marriage record Janette, many surnames are featured, I didn't see one for Mendonca... but the Mendonca (with variations in the spelling of) can be found in the Teixeira and Perestrelo titulos. Here's the website address where these titulos are located: http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/familiapaiva/NobiliariodaIlhadaMadeira /indice_dos_tomos.htm. My maternal aunt, now deceased, was married to a Mendonca, I believe Sao. Roque, Madeira. Yes, the surname does back to the very early days, as you will see when viewing the Perestrello titulo. Happy Hunting, Pat janettechun wrote: Pat, Would you know if something similar exists for the Mendonca (Mendoca) family? I've heard that this family name goes back to the very early days of the island's colonization but I haven't been very successful in finding much information on the family in terms of the island. Lots of very interesting historic material on family name on sapo.pt. Janette -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Corbera [mailto:papagaia2@sbcglobal.net] Sent: March 12, 2005 10:04 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRT-MADEIRA] Need help reading a marriage record Information on this family can be found in " Nobiliario da Ilha da Madeira." Under the "titulo" Coutos Cardosos. http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/familiapaiva/NobiliariodaIlhadaMadeira /coutos_cardosos.htm As well as the "titulo," for the Cabraes. http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/familiapaiva/NobiliariodaIlhadaMadeira /cabraes.htm Pat Luis Beal wrote: This is how I read the document: D. Joana de Couto Cardoso, N. (for Nascida, born) 1598, B. (for batizada, baptized) in Calheta, L. 4 (livro 4, 4th book) on Sep 11th 1599, c.c. married to Manuel Cabral de Aguiar, in title of Cortes. Then if you go to page 294v, #4 it says Manuel married Joana on July 2nd 1622 in Calheta. It actually begins by saying that after he became a widow he became a priest (clerigo). On a side note says: I think he married D. Joanna d'Andrade, daughter of Joao de Franca e Castro, in title of Francas e Castro, N3, 1,pg 295v. He has the very same marriage date for this latter Joana as for the first one which means you need to get some microfilms and figure out which one he really married. Abbreviations: N-nascido/a - born; B- batisada/o - baptism; CC- casou com - married; M- morreu - died; tt- titulo- title;; f- folha - page; 294 - page 294; 294v - back of page 294. Hope that helps. Luis Beal M B wrote: This is the best I could transcribe an online record. Can anyone tell me what the year 1598 may be a reference to? 1599? The letter looks like a capital "N," but it can't be a birth date since she got married in 1599--or not? What does the "B" mean? D. Joanna de Couto Cardoso, N. 1598, B. na Calheta, L. 4., en 11 de Sept de 1599, c.c. Manuel Cabral d'Aguiar, en tto de Cortes..... (Miranda's Apontamentos para a Genealogia de Diversas Familias da Madeira, p. 308) According to Noronho's "Nobiliario," Joana was born 1590, and no marriage date was given. Maybe I am misunderstanding or misreading Miranda's handwritten notes. Any theories would be much appreciated! Michelle __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Thanks Pat. Much appreciated. I believe the Mendoncas I'm looking for are from Madeira-Porto Santo. Janette -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Corbera [mailto:papagaia2@sbcglobal.net] Sent: March 14, 2005 1:56 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [PRT-MADEIRA] Need help reading a marriage record Janette, many surnames are featured, I didn't see one for Mendonca... but the Mendonca (with variations in the spelling of) can be found in the Teixeira and Perestrelo titulos. Here's the website address where these titulos are located: http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/familiapaiva/NobiliariodaIlhadaMadeira /indice_dos_tomos.htm. My maternal aunt, now deceased, was married to a Mendonca, I believe Sao. Roque, Madeira. Yes, the surname does back to the very early days, as you will see when viewing the Perestrello titulo. Happy Hunting, Pat janettechun <janettechun@shaw.ca> wrote: Pat, Would you know if something similar exists for the Mendonca (Mendoca) family? I've heard that this family name goes back to the very early days of the island's colonization but I haven't been very successful in finding much information on the family in terms of the island. Lots of very interesting historic material on family name on sapo.pt. Janette -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Corbera [mailto:papagaia2@sbcglobal.net] Sent: March 12, 2005 10:04 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRT-MADEIRA] Need help reading a marriage record Information on this family can be found in " Nobiliario da Ilha da Madeira." Under the "titulo" Coutos Cardosos. http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/familiapaiva/NobiliariodaIlhadaMadeira /coutos_cardosos.htm As well as the "titulo," for the Cabraes. http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/familiapaiva/NobiliariodaIlhadaMadeira /cabraes.htm Pat Luis Beal wrote: This is how I read the document: D. Joana de Couto Cardoso, N. (for Nascida, born) 1598, B. (for batizada, baptized) in Calheta, L. 4 (livro 4, 4th book) on Sep 11th 1599, c.c. married to Manuel Cabral de Aguiar, in title of Cortes. Then if you go to page 294v, #4 it says Manuel married Joana on July 2nd 1622 in Calheta. It actually begins by saying that after he became a widow he became a priest (clerigo). On a side note says: I think he married D. Joanna d'Andrade, daughter of Joao de Franca e Castro, in title of Francas e Castro, N3, 1,pg 295v. He has the very same marriage date for this latter Joana as for the first one which means you need to get some microfilms and figure out which one he really married. Abbreviations: N-nascido/a - born; B- batisada/o - baptism; CC- casou com - married; M- morreu - died; tt- titulo- title;; f- folha - page; 294 - page 294; 294v - back of page 294. Hope that helps. Luis Beal M B wrote: This is the best I could transcribe an online record. Can anyone tell me what the year 1598 may be a reference to? 1599? The letter looks like a capital "N," but it can't be a birth date since she got married in 1599--or not? What does the "B" mean? D. Joanna de Couto Cardoso, N. 1598, B. na Calheta, L. 4., en 11 de Sept de 1599, c.c. Manuel Cabral d'Aguiar, en tto de Cortes..... (Miranda's Apontamentos para a Genealogia de Diversas Familias da Madeira, p. 308) According to Noronho's "Nobiliario," Joana was born 1590, and no marriage date was given. Maybe I am misunderstanding or misreading Miranda's handwritten notes. Any theories would be much appreciated! Michelle __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=1459 9&targetid=5429 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx Patricia Julia Silva Corbera A Journey of Discovery www.geocities.com/papagaia2 ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=1459 9&targetid=5429 ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Janette, many surnames are featured, I didn't see one for Mendonca... but the Mendonca (with variations in the spelling of) can be found in the Teixeira and Perestrelo titulos. Here's the website address where these titulos are located: http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/familiapaiva/NobiliariodaIlhadaMadeira/indice_dos_tomos.htm. My maternal aunt, now deceased, was married to a Mendonca, I believe Sao. Roque, Madeira. Yes, the surname does back to the very early days, as you will see when viewing the Perestrello titulo. Happy Hunting, Pat janettechun <janettechun@shaw.ca> wrote: Pat, Would you know if something similar exists for the Mendonca (Mendoca) family? I've heard that this family name goes back to the very early days of the island's colonization but I haven't been very successful in finding much information on the family in terms of the island. Lots of very interesting historic material on family name on sapo.pt. Janette -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Corbera [mailto:papagaia2@sbcglobal.net] Sent: March 12, 2005 10:04 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRT-MADEIRA] Need help reading a marriage record Information on this family can be found in " Nobiliario da Ilha da Madeira." Under the "titulo" Coutos Cardosos. http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/familiapaiva/NobiliariodaIlhadaMadeira /coutos_cardosos.htm As well as the "titulo," for the Cabraes. http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/familiapaiva/NobiliariodaIlhadaMadeira /cabraes.htm Pat Luis Beal wrote: This is how I read the document: D. Joana de Couto Cardoso, N. (for Nascida, born) 1598, B. (for batizada, baptized) in Calheta, L. 4 (livro 4, 4th book) on Sep 11th 1599, c.c. married to Manuel Cabral de Aguiar, in title of Cortes. Then if you go to page 294v, #4 it says Manuel married Joana on July 2nd 1622 in Calheta. It actually begins by saying that after he became a widow he became a priest (clerigo). On a side note says: I think he married D. Joanna d'Andrade, daughter of Joao de Franca e Castro, in title of Francas e Castro, N3, 1,pg 295v. He has the very same marriage date for this latter Joana as for the first one which means you need to get some microfilms and figure out which one he really married. Abbreviations: N-nascido/a - born; B- batisada/o - baptism; CC- casou com - married; M- morreu - died; tt- titulo- title;; f- folha - page; 294 - page 294; 294v - back of page 294. Hope that helps. Luis Beal M B wrote: This is the best I could transcribe an online record. Can anyone tell me what the year 1598 may be a reference to? 1599? The letter looks like a capital "N," but it can't be a birth date since she got married in 1599--or not? What does the "B" mean? D. Joanna de Couto Cardoso, N. 1598, B. na Calheta, L. 4., en 11 de Sept de 1599, c.c. Manuel Cabral d'Aguiar, en tto de Cortes..... (Miranda's Apontamentos para a Genealogia de Diversas Familias da Madeira, p. 308) According to Noronho's "Nobiliario," Joana was born 1590, and no marriage date was given. Maybe I am misunderstanding or misreading Miranda's handwritten notes. Any theories would be much appreciated! Michelle __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=1459 9&targetid=5429 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx Patricia Julia Silva Corbera A Journey of Discovery www.geocities.com/papagaia2 ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=1459 9&targetid=5429 ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Pat, Would you know if something similar exists for the Mendonca (Mendoca) family? I've heard that this family name goes back to the very early days of the island's colonization but I haven't been very successful in finding much information on the family in terms of the island. Lots of very interesting historic material on family name on sapo.pt. Janette -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Corbera [mailto:papagaia2@sbcglobal.net] Sent: March 12, 2005 10:04 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRT-MADEIRA] Need help reading a marriage record Information on this family can be found in " Nobiliario da Ilha da Madeira." Under the "titulo" Coutos Cardosos. http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/familiapaiva/NobiliariodaIlhadaMadeira /coutos_cardosos.htm As well as the "titulo," for the Cabraes. http://planeta.terra.com.br/lazer/familiapaiva/NobiliariodaIlhadaMadeira /cabraes.htm Pat Luis Beal <luisbeal@yahoo.com> wrote: This is how I read the document: D. Joana de Couto Cardoso, N. (for Nascida, born) 1598, B. (for batizada, baptized) in Calheta, L. 4 (livro 4, 4th book) on Sep 11th 1599, c.c. married to Manuel Cabral de Aguiar, in title of Cortes. Then if you go to page 294v, #4 it says Manuel married Joana on July 2nd 1622 in Calheta. It actually begins by saying that after he became a widow he became a priest (clerigo). On a side note says: I think he married D. Joanna d'Andrade, daughter of Joao de Franca e Castro, in title of Francas e Castro, N3, 1,pg 295v. He has the very same marriage date for this latter Joana as for the first one which means you need to get some microfilms and figure out which one he really married. Abbreviations: N-nascido/a - born; B- batisada/o - baptism; CC- casou com - married; M- morreu - died; tt- titulo- title;; f- folha - page; 294 - page 294; 294v - back of page 294. Hope that helps. Luis Beal M B wrote: This is the best I could transcribe an online record. Can anyone tell me what the year 1598 may be a reference to? 1599? The letter looks like a capital "N," but it can't be a birth date since she got married in 1599--or not? What does the "B" mean? D. Joanna de Couto Cardoso, N. 1598, B. na Calheta, L. 4., en 11 de Sept de 1599, c.c. Manuel Cabral d'Aguiar, en tto de Cortes..... (Miranda's Apontamentos para a Genealogia de Diversas Familias da Madeira, p. 308) According to Noronho's "Nobiliario," Joana was born 1590, and no marriage date was given. Maybe I am misunderstanding or misreading Miranda's handwritten notes. Any theories would be much appreciated! Michelle __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=1459 9&targetid=5429 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx Patricia Julia Silva Corbera A Journey of Discovery www.geocities.com/papagaia2 ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=1459 9&targetid=5429

Hi Darlene, I just checked the 1900 Census for FERNANDEZ and found out there were 30 listings for that surname. One which you might want to learn more about is: FERNANDEZ, MANUEL (1900 U.S. Census) HAWAII , MAUI, MAKAWAO Age: 22, Male, Race: WHITE, Born: MADE Series: T623 Roll: 1835 Page: 79 He is living there with his wife, Rosa, and a brother, Frank ... Another is: FERNANDEZ, MANUEL (1900 U.S. Census) HAWAII , MAUI, MAKAWAO Age: 39, Male, Born: PORT Series: T623 Roll: 1835 Page: 37 He is living there with wife, Anna, and daughter, Maria. These are definitely both "Portuguese" neighborhoods. Oh, here is a Manuel in .. Honolulu: FERNANDEZ, MANUEL (1900 U.S. Census) HAWAII , OAHU, HONOLULU DIST Age: 43, Male, Race: WHITE, Born: PORT Series: T623 Roll: 1836 Page: 75 He comes from a Portugal family and immigrated in 1883. He is living there with his wife, Augustina, and six children. ... Just wondering if you posted your query to the Azores List. I've belonged to that List for a couple of years because of my friend, Bob's, grandparents. They were PACHECO and MOURA families from Sao Miguel, Azores. I know that the subject of people from the Azores migrating to Hawaii has been mentioned on the List many times. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) P.S. We cannot find any relative of Antonio PACHECO coming to the US Mainland, before or after he died ~1905. Someone has suggested that, if he had brothers or cousins, on Sao Miguel, they might have migrated to Hawaii. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dar Creuzer" <dar.creuzer@gmail.com> To: <PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 6:53 PM Subject: Kau, Hawaii ??? > Interesting that you mention family living in Hilea Kau, Hawaii and > working in the sugar cane fields. My great grand parents Manuel > Antoino Fernandez and Maria Amelia Gaspar (Drummond) came from Porto > Santo Portugal and went to Kau to work in the fields. (Maria came > with her parents Manuel Gaspar Drummond and Maria Pestana De > Vasconcelos.The mother being a seamstress and governess for the > Waterhouse and Wilcox families in Hawaii) They married three months > later. They had two children Manuel and Gertrude before moving to > Honolulu, where they had 5 other children including my grandmother > Olymipa. He died between the years 1900 and 1910, in Honolulu and she > died Oct, 1946 in Honolulu. I have never been able to fine out where > in Portugal Manuel came from or found them in a census in Kau. Just in > Honolulu. Don't know the date he died. > Does anyone know if they have records available to access on the > plantation workers or about the Waterhouse or Wilcox families that I > could possibly find my family listed? Has anyone had much luck finding > anything in those records if they do exists? > > Thank You, Darlene >

I have recently learned of this Madeira list and have recently subscribed. Much of the information I have here I have in the past posted to the Azores list and the Portugal list. So I thought I would try this list and see if anyone sees a connection to any of their family lines. I am hoping that someone might .....and if so would love to hear from you. Hopefully, I have provided (at least for starters) enough information to be useful. Thank you Stacy In the book of baptisms in this parish in reference to the year of 1901 is the following text: On the 12th day of May in the year 1901 in this parish church of Santo Antonio, District (Council) of the Dioces of Funchal; an individual of the female gender was baptized and given the name of Clara who was born in this village at 2 o'clock in the morning on the 11th day of April. The first legitimate daughter of Jose' Luiz Junior and of Maria de Assencâo, laborers and parishoners of this church (natives of this village) living in the area of Laranjal. Paternal grand-daughter of Jose' Luiz Senior and of Luiz a de Freitas and maternal grand-daughter of Francisco Fernandes Luiz and of Julia de Assencão. Godparents Francisco Fernandes Luiz a married laborer and Julia de Assencão a single unmarried woman (residents) living in the area of Laranjal. **My best guess at the ending paragrah** And in order to be evident (signed/issued in duplicate) and thereafter read and verified (confirmed) in front of the (in the presence of) the godfather (godparents).............. **The last couple of lines I can't make out but probably relate to the document being signed by the priest and follows with the signature lines of the one who wrote this document - which resembles the name Frietas possibly?** In 1907 Clara, two of her siblings and her parents left Portugal on the Kumeric to go to Hawaii to work on the plantation. (As per manifest) Jose (Joseph in English) Luiz - Age 27 Her mother: Maria d'Ascencao - no age shown Her siblings: Conceicao (3) (Connie in English), and Gertrudes (15 months), (Gertrude in English). I found the family again in 1910 census (surname in this census was spelled "Louis") with an additional child (Alfred age 1year and 6 mos.) in the South Hilo Hawaii (Enumeration district 114) with Volcano street listed vertically on the census page. **(I would also like to learn/find out which plantation they may have worked?) The family eventually left Hawaii and moved to Bay area of California. I do not when exactly but it was sometime between 1910 and 1920 as I locate them again in the 1920 census residing at East 8th Ave. Oakland, Alameda County,California. Clara at this time has a spouse Jessi Silva living with the family (which by the way is now spelled "Lewis" on the 1920 census) Jessi and Clara were married in 1919. (They had two children Bernice and Wallace) Jessi died in 1935. (He was 38 years old) Residence at the time of death per certificate: 2267 E. 15th Street, Oakland, California Interment was Evergreen Cemetary on the 23 February 1935 which is located at 6450 Camden St. Oakland, CA 94605. *His gravestonee has another name on the top: Theresa Tavares Died Jan 23 1917 Aged 84 years Below this woman's name is his name on the same gravestone: Jess Silva 1896-1935 ***Do not know who Theresa Tavares is that he shares plot/gravestone with??** It appears on the 1920 census that Jess "reportedly" left Portugal in 1900 (it could be 1906? it is smudged pretty bad) Anyway in the 1930 census Jess's mother Gilhermina ("Minnie" on the census) age 53 and his sister Phoebe age 25 shows that they arrived in the United States in 1920. (I have a bit of information on Phoebe as well ) After Jess's death approximately 11 months later Clara married John Correa on the 25th of January 1936 in San Jose, Santa Clara County, California (Note: Sarah Liness was John's first wife who had died two years prior to his marriage to Clara) John Correa and Clara at some point moved and opened a bar in Sausilito located at 39 Caledonia Street. In 1940 I find that they reside at 1768-87th Avenue, Oakland, California in Alameda County Clara died 30 August 1972 Interment Holy Sepulchre Cemetery, Hayward. Obituary read: wife of the late John Correa; loving mother of Wallace D. Silva of San Leandro and the late Bernice Kerr; dear mother-in-law of Mrs. Janet Silva; devoted sister of John Lewis, Mrs. Mary Mattos, and Mrs. Julia Cunningham of San Leandro, Mrs. Connie Ferreira of Oakland, Mrs. Lorraine Chiapperi(l?) of San Francisco, Alfred Lewis of Los Banos and the late Gertrude Reagan; also survived by eight grandchildren and 17 great-grandchildren. A native of Portugal aged 71 years. Guerrero & Seramur Mortuary, 407 Estudillo Ave., San Leandro; handled the arrangements. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 3/11/2005

Luis: Where did you get the 1890 Census on Hilo from? I am having trouble finding anyone on both Ancestry.com census records and HeritageQuest census records. Once again, thank you very much for the assistance. Cheers, Duane -----Original Message----- From: Luis Beal [mailto:luisbeal@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 5:22 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [PRT-MADEIRA] Re: Curubina I'm glad you figured out where he came from. Let me know if there is anything else I can help you with. Luis Duane DeMello <CasaDeMello@comcast.net> wrote: Luis: In response to your questions, I will start off with what I know for sure, based on my personal primary sources. After that, a little tribal memory creeps in based upon comments from my late Aunt Mary. 1) Copy of Marriage Certificate (Testificacao de Casamento), St. Joseph's, Hilo, 5 Dec 1897, Manoel de MELLO marries Maria Louisa da REIS. 2) Copy of "Record of Marriages," Hilo, Manoel lists his parents as father, "J. de Mello," mother, "C. de Mello." 3) Copy of Death Certificate, Manuel DeMello (born 25 Feb 1875, St. Michael, the Azores), 3448 Haven Street, Oakland, Ca., 26 August 1934. Wife - Mary DeMello. Father - John DeMello. Mother - Unknown, but from St. Michael also. Length of time in U.S., 29 years (1905). Burial - St. Mary's Cemetary, Oakland, Ca. 4) Copy of 1900 Federal Census, Hilo, Hawaii, T623 Roll 1834 Pg 43, 12 Jun 1900, Line 22-24: Manuel de Mello (head), born 1876, currently 24; Maria Louisa (wife), born 1880, currently 20; Marie (dgtr - my Aunt Mary), born 1899, 1 year old. Manuel is a laborer and in Hawaii for 17 years, arriving 1883. Wife Maria Louisa, in Hawaii 19 years, arriving 1881. Living in portion of Piihonua, called Waiau, outskirts of Hilo, occupied by Hilo Sugar Co. 5) Also in same 1900 Census, Hilo, (T623 Roll 1834 Pg 63, 09 Jun 1900, Line Line 5-8: Joao MELLO (head), 62 (born 1838, Port); Curubina (wife), 64 (born 1836, Port), Jose (son), 14, born 1886, Hawaii; Jacintha (dgtr), 18 (born 1882 Port). 6) Now tribal memory kicks-in: Back in 1965, while writing down some comments from my Aunt Mary (noted above as Manuel's daughter Marie), she related that she thought her father, Manuel, came to the Islands with two siblings---possibly named Jose and Marie (?). Unfortunately, I have nothing further on Manuel's siblings. 7) In 1900, while still in Hilo, Manuel and Maria Louisa have their first son, Manuel, born 1900, died 1984, in Oakland, Ca. 8) In 1903, still in Hilo, my father, Joseph, is born. Died Jun, 1952, Oakland. 9) Also in 1952, Maria Louisa (Grandma Mello) dies, in December. 10) Because Grandma Mello could speak very little English, we all (the aunts, uncles, my Dad, etc.) spoke Portuguese. 11) The 1930 U.S. Census shows Manuel and Maria Louisa (now called Mary) living in Oakland, along with their children - Manuel, "Joie" (Joe, my father), Freddie (Alfred--uncle Bud), William and Sadie (Serafina). Daughter Mary moved out several years earlier when she married Louis Rose. I am now going to start in with the information, Luis, you provided earlier today. I am most grateful for your assistance and support. Cheers and best wishes, Duane -----Original Message----- From: Luis Beal [mailto:luisbeal@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 1:52 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [PRT-MADEIRA] Re: Curubina One more thing....there is an 1890 hawaii census film that "Contains index (typescript) and extract (handwritten) of the 1890 Census of Hawaii for the districts or islands: Hilo -- Kau -- Hamakua -- Kau contains (Bureau of Conveyance adoption index, 1847-1899; 3rd Circuit Court probate index, pkt. 1-522, approx. 1850-1899); 1910 census extract & index of Kau -- Kohala (south & north) -- Puna -- Kauai -- Maui -- Molokai -- Oahu. L US/CAN Film 1675447 Items 2-11" I have never seen one of these so I do not know what exactly is in it but it may be worth your while if you can find Manuel still living with his parents. Luis Luis Beal wrote: Well, hope I did not burst your bubble before. Now that I had a chance to look at Manuel's census and I went back to Joao's I noticed both immigrated in 1883, so hopefully she misunderstood the how many children are living question for how many children are living at home. Since neither could read or write there is a chance her name may be Carolina, said with a strong accent can sound Curubina. The census taker was RK Baptiste a pastor for the portuguese christian church, hopefully he spoke good portuguese. Luis Luis Beal wrote: Found Manuel in 1900, he is down on ancestry as Manuel Melia, wife Maria Luisa. He was born unknown in 1876, 24 years old, married 3 years, born Portugal, same for parents, immigrated in 1883 had been in the us 17 years and was naturalized a citizen, he could not read or write but could speak english and hawaiian. She was down as being born in Oct 1880, 19, married 3 years, had one child and 1 child was living, born Portugal same as parents, came in 1881, been in US 19 years, could not read or write, could not speak english or hawaiian. Daughter Maria, born sep 1899 in Hawaii. Luis Luis Beal wrote: Duane, I do not mean to burst your bubble because Curubina may be a possibility, but the numbers next to her name mean, birth year, age, married, how many children has had, and how many children are living at the time of the census and the number for later two is two. So this may not be your family. Why don't you give me more info on your Manuel, like what name did he go by, his spouse too, nicknames... If he had kids before 1910, names (firt and middle), ages, where they were living at the time of each census. I think if we find him in the 1900/10/20/30 there should be some leading information. Also do you know if he had siblings that came to the US? If he did do you know names and ages? Luis Duane DeMello wrote: Theresa: Thank you very much for your efforts to help me. Re Curubina M., I also have been searching under "Maria," "Magdelena," etc., in the event she went by her middle name. Today I am going to also check on the siblings. Cheers and best wishes, Duane -----Original Message----- From: Theresa Entin [mailto:tentin@fullchannel.net] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 8:42 AM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PRT-MADEIRA] Re: Curubina Good Morning Duane, You've had a great find with Ancestry. Unfortunately, not good with me. I thought when I saw the name of his mother, that I wouldn't find it. Curubina, is not a name that I've found in S. Maria. It is funny, but there are certain last and first names that are not used in that region. I'm not saying that it is impossible for it to be there, but I don't have it. Can it be spelled differently? I will also do a little more checking in my material to see what I can come up with. Also, don't forget that you can search for his siblings and get the same information you need. best regards, Theresa I have CC this to the Azores and Madeira lists, to see if that name is familiar to any of the towns they are searching. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duane DeMello" To: Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 3:30 PM > Theresa: > Sorry to bother you but I may have hit upon something with my > greatgrandparents, J. de Mello and C. de Mello (cited on my grandparents > marriage registration in Hilo: The 1900 Federal Census shows a Joao de > Mello (born 1838 in Portugal) married to Curubina M. de Mello, born 1836 > in > Portugal. No mention is made of the Azores. Two children were living > with > them, Jacintha C., born 1882 in Portugal, and Jose, born 1886 in Hawaii. > My > grandfather, Manuel, born 1875 in Portugal, moved out by 1900 (married in > 1897) and was starting his own family in Hilo. 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Interesting that you mention family living in Hilea Kau, Hawaii and working in the sugar cane fields. My great grand parents Manuel Antoino Fernandez and Maria Amelia Gaspar (Drummond) came from Porto Santo Portugal and went to Kau to work in the fields. (Maria came with her parents Manuel Gaspar Drummond and Maria Pestana De Vasconcelos.The mother being a seamstress and governess for the Waterhouse and Wilcox families in Hawaii) They married three months later. They had two children Manuel and Gertrude before moving to Honolulu, where they had 5 other children including my grandmother Olymipa. He died between the years 1900 and 1910, in Honolulu and she died Oct, 1946 in Honolulu. I have never been able to fine out where in Portugal Manuel came from or found them in a census in Kau. Just in Honolulu. Don't know the date he died. Does anyone know if they have records available to access on the plantation workers or about the Waterhouse or Wilcox families that I could possibly find my family listed? Has anyone had much luck finding anything in those records if they do exists? Thank You, Darlene

John: Thank you very much for the assist. Cheers, Duane -----Original Message----- From: John Roias [mailto:jroias@rogers.com] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 4:51 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PRT-MADEIRA] Re: Curubina Querubina or Curubina (the spellings may vary) are not rare, but far less common than most names. At least in Sao Miguel. It is a first name, or sometimes a second name, like Maria Querubina. Never have seen it as a surname. Before about 1800, it was just not in usage. There are many Mello's in virtually every village of Sao Miguel, especially as one nears 1880 or so, by which time intermarriage from one village to another was very common. Without a village and a name, it would be like looking for a needle in a haystack. Good luck. Will let you know if I find any in the course of my research. JR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duane DeMello" <CasaDeMello@comcast.net> To: <PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 4:06 PM Subject: RE: [PRT-MADEIRA] Re: Curubina > Theresa: > Please stand-down on expending more time and energy on my de Mello's > in > Madeira. > The death certificate of my grandfather, Manuel de Mello, clearly states > that both his parents were from Sao Miguel in the Azores. > Thank you very much for what you have already done. > > Cheers, Duane ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Querubina or Curubina (the spellings may vary) are not rare, but far less common than most names. At least in Sao Miguel. It is a first name, or sometimes a second name, like Maria Querubina. Never have seen it as a surname. Before about 1800, it was just not in usage. There are many Mello's in virtually every village of Sao Miguel, especially as one nears 1880 or so, by which time intermarriage from one village to another was very common. Without a village and a name, it would be like looking for a needle in a haystack. Good luck. Will let you know if I find any in the course of my research. JR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duane DeMello" <CasaDeMello@comcast.net> To: <PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 4:06 PM Subject: RE: [PRT-MADEIRA] Re: Curubina > Theresa: > Please stand-down on expending more time and energy on my de Mello's > in > Madeira. > The death certificate of my grandfather, Manuel de Mello, clearly states > that both his parents were from Sao Miguel in the Azores. > Thank you very much for what you have already done. > > Cheers, Duane

Theresa: Please stand-down on expending more time and energy on my de Mello's in Madeira. The death certificate of my grandfather, Manuel de Mello, clearly states that both his parents were from Sao Miguel in the Azores. Thank you very much for what you have already done. Cheers, Duane -----Original Message----- From: Theresa Entin [mailto:tentin@fullchannel.net] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 8:42 AM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PRT-MADEIRA] Re: Curubina Good Morning Duane, You've had a great find with Ancestry. Unfortunately, not good with me. I thought when I saw the name of his mother, that I wouldn't find it. Curubina, is not a name that I've found in S. Maria. It is funny, but there are certain last and first names that are not used in that region. I'm not saying that it is impossible for it to be there, but I don't have it. Can it be spelled differently? I will also do a little more checking in my material to see what I can come up with. Also, don't forget that you can search for his siblings and get the same information you need. best regards, Theresa I have CC this to the Azores and Madeira lists, to see if that name is familiar to any of the towns they are searching. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duane DeMello" <CasaDeMello@comcast.net> To: <tentin@fullchannel.net> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 3:30 PM > Theresa: > Sorry to bother you but I may have hit upon something with my > greatgrandparents, J. de Mello and C. de Mello (cited on my grandparents > marriage registration in Hilo: The 1900 Federal Census shows a Joao de > Mello (born 1838 in Portugal) married to Curubina M. de Mello, born 1836 > in > Portugal. No mention is made of the Azores. Two children were living > with > them, Jacintha C., born 1882 in Portugal, and Jose, born 1886 in Hawaii. > My > grandfather, Manuel, born 1875 in Portugal, moved out by 1900 (married in > 1897) and was starting his own family in Hilo. Manuel's death certificate > only lists the name of his father, "John" (Joao). > Can you check your Santa Maria listings? See what going back on > Ancestry.Com did for me! > > Cheers and best wishes, Duane > > > > ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Did I not write it down? Sorry about that, that was on the lds site www.familysearch.org it is in microfilm form, so you could order the microfilm if you think it will help you. Luis Duane DeMello <CasaDeMello@comcast.net> wrote: Luis: Where did you get the 1890 Census on Hilo from? I am having trouble finding anyone on both Ancestry.com census records and HeritageQuest census records. Once again, thank you very much for the assistance. Cheers, Duane -----Original Message----- From: Luis Beal [mailto:luisbeal@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 5:22 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [PRT-MADEIRA] Re: Curubina I'm glad you figured out where he came from. Let me know if there is anything else I can help you with. Luis Duane DeMello wrote: Luis: In response to your questions, I will start off with what I know for sure, based on my personal primary sources. After that, a little tribal memory creeps in based upon comments from my late Aunt Mary. 1) Copy of Marriage Certificate (Testificacao de Casamento), St. Joseph's, Hilo, 5 Dec 1897, Manoel de MELLO marries Maria Louisa da REIS. 2) Copy of "Record of Marriages," Hilo, Manoel lists his parents as father, "J. de Mello," mother, "C. de Mello." 3) Copy of Death Certificate, Manuel DeMello (born 25 Feb 1875, St. Michael, the Azores), 3448 Haven Street, Oakland, Ca., 26 August 1934. Wife - Mary DeMello. Father - John DeMello. Mother - Unknown, but from St. Michael also. Length of time in U.S., 29 years (1905). Burial - St. Mary's Cemetary, Oakland, Ca. 4) Copy of 1900 Federal Census, Hilo, Hawaii, T623 Roll 1834 Pg 43, 12 Jun 1900, Line 22-24: Manuel de Mello (head), born 1876, currently 24; Maria Louisa (wife), born 1880, currently 20; Marie (dgtr - my Aunt Mary), born 1899, 1 year old. Manuel is a laborer and in Hawaii for 17 years, arriving 1883. Wife Maria Louisa, in Hawaii 19 years, arriving 1881. Living in portion of Piihonua, called Waiau, outskirts of Hilo, occupied by Hilo Sugar Co. 5) Also in same 1900 Census, Hilo, (T623 Roll 1834 Pg 63, 09 Jun 1900, Line Line 5-8: Joao MELLO (head), 62 (born 1838, Port); Curubina (wife), 64 (born 1836, Port), Jose (son), 14, born 1886, Hawaii; Jacintha (dgtr), 18 (born 1882 Port). 6) Now tribal memory kicks-in: Back in 1965, while writing down some comments from my Aunt Mary (noted above as Manuel's daughter Marie), she related that she thought her father, Manuel, came to the Islands with two siblings---possibly named Jose and Marie (?). Unfortunately, I have nothing further on Manuel's siblings. 7) In 1900, while still in Hilo, Manuel and Maria Louisa have their first son, Manuel, born 1900, died 1984, in Oakland, Ca. 8) In 1903, still in Hilo, my father, Joseph, is born. Died Jun, 1952, Oakland. 9) Also in 1952, Maria Louisa (Grandma Mello) dies, in December. 10) Because Grandma Mello could speak very little English, we all (the aunts, uncles, my Dad, etc.) spoke Portuguese. 11) The 1930 U.S. Census shows Manuel and Maria Louisa (now called Mary) living in Oakland, along with their children - Manuel, "Joie" (Joe, my father), Freddie (Alfred--uncle Bud), William and Sadie (Serafina). Daughter Mary moved out several years earlier when she married Louis Rose. I am now going to start in with the information, Luis, you provided earlier today. I am most grateful for your assistance and support. Cheers and best wishes, Duane -----Original Message----- From: Luis Beal [mailto:luisbeal@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 1:52 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [PRT-MADEIRA] Re: Curubina One more thing....there is an 1890 hawaii census film that "Contains index (typescript) and extract (handwritten) of the 1890 Census of Hawaii for the districts or islands: Hilo -- Kau -- Hamakua -- Kau contains (Bureau of Conveyance adoption index, 1847-1899; 3rd Circuit Court probate index, pkt. 1-522, approx. 1850-1899); 1910 census extract & index of Kau -- Kohala (south & north) -- Puna -- Kauai -- Maui -- Molokai -- Oahu. L US/CAN Film 1675447 Items 2-11" I have never seen one of these so I do not know what exactly is in it but it may be worth your while if you can find Manuel still living with his parents. Luis Luis Beal wrote: Well, hope I did not burst your bubble before. Now that I had a chance to look at Manuel's census and I went back to Joao's I noticed both immigrated in 1883, so hopefully she misunderstood the how many children are living question for how many children are living at home. Since neither could read or write there is a chance her name may be Carolina, said with a strong accent can sound Curubina. The census taker was RK Baptiste a pastor for the portuguese christian church, hopefully he spoke good portuguese. Luis Luis Beal wrote: Found Manuel in 1900, he is down on ancestry as Manuel Melia, wife Maria Luisa. He was born unknown in 1876, 24 years old, married 3 years, born Portugal, same for parents, immigrated in 1883 had been in the us 17 years and was naturalized a citizen, he could not read or write but could speak english and hawaiian. She was down as being born in Oct 1880, 19, married 3 years, had one child and 1 child was living, born Portugal same as parents, came in 1881, been in US 19 years, could not read or write, could not speak english or hawaiian. Daughter Maria, born sep 1899 in Hawaii. Luis Luis Beal wrote: Duane, I do not mean to burst your bubble because Curubina may be a possibility, but the numbers next to her name mean, birth year, age, married, how many children has had, and how many children are living at the time of the census and the number for later two is two. So this may not be your family. Why don't you give me more info on your Manuel, like what name did he go by, his spouse too, nicknames... If he had kids before 1910, names (firt and middle), ages, where they were living at the time of each census. I think if we find him in the 1900/10/20/30 there should be some leading information. Also do you know if he had siblings that came to the US? If he did do you know names and ages? Luis Duane DeMello wrote: Theresa: Thank you very much for your efforts to help me. Re Curubina M., I also have been searching under "Maria," "Magdelena," etc., in the event she went by her middle name. Today I am going to also check on the siblings. Cheers and best wishes, Duane -----Original Message----- From: Theresa Entin [mailto:tentin@fullchannel.net] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 8:42 AM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PRT-MADEIRA] Re: Curubina Good Morning Duane, You've had a great find with Ancestry. Unfortunately, not good with me. I thought when I saw the name of his mother, that I wouldn't find it. Curubina, is not a name that I've found in S. Maria. It is funny, but there are certain last and first names that are not used in that region. I'm not saying that it is impossible for it to be there, but I don't have it. Can it be spelled differently? I will also do a little more checking in my material to see what I can come up with. Also, don't forget that you can search for his siblings and get the same information you need. best regards, Theresa I have CC this to the Azores and Madeira lists, to see if that name is familiar to any of the towns they are searching. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duane DeMello" To: Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 3:30 PM > Theresa: > Sorry to bother you but I may have hit upon something with my > greatgrandparents, J. de Mello and C. de Mello (cited on my grandparents > marriage registration in Hilo: The 1900 Federal Census shows a Joao de > Mello (born 1838 in Portugal) married to Curubina M. de Mello, born 1836 > in > Portugal. No mention is made of the Azores. Two children were living > with > them, Jacintha C., born 1882 in Portugal, and Jose, born 1886 in Hawaii. > My > grandfather, Manuel, born 1875 in Portugal, moved out by 1900 (married in > 1897) and was starting his own family in Hilo. Manuel's death certificate > only lists the name of his father, "John" (Joao). > Can you check your Santa Maria listings? See what going back on > Ancestry.Com did for me! > > Cheers and best wishes, Duane > > > > ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Luis: In response to your questions, I will start off with what I know for sure, based on my personal primary sources. After that, a little tribal memory creeps in based upon comments from my late Aunt Mary. 1) Copy of Marriage Certificate (Testificacao de Casamento), St. Joseph's, Hilo, 5 Dec 1897, Manoel de MELLO marries Maria Louisa da REIS. 2) Copy of "Record of Marriages," Hilo, Manoel lists his parents as father, "J. de Mello," mother, "C. de Mello." 3) Copy of Death Certificate, Manuel DeMello (born 25 Feb 1875, St. Michael, the Azores), 3448 Haven Street, Oakland, Ca., 26 August 1934. Wife - Mary DeMello. Father - John DeMello. Mother - Unknown, but from St. Michael also. Length of time in U.S., 29 years (1905). Burial - St. Mary's Cemetary, Oakland, Ca. 4) Copy of 1900 Federal Census, Hilo, Hawaii, T623 Roll 1834 Pg 43, 12 Jun 1900, Line 22-24: Manuel de Mello (head), born 1876, currently 24; Maria Louisa (wife), born 1880, currently 20; Marie (dgtr - my Aunt Mary), born 1899, 1 year old. Manuel is a laborer and in Hawaii for 17 years, arriving 1883. Wife Maria Louisa, in Hawaii 19 years, arriving 1881. Living in portion of Piihonua, called Waiau, outskirts of Hilo, occupied by Hilo Sugar Co. 5) Also in same 1900 Census, Hilo, (T623 Roll 1834 Pg 63, 09 Jun 1900, Line Line 5-8: Joao MELLO (head), 62 (born 1838, Port); Curubina (wife), 64 (born 1836, Port), Jose (son), 14, born 1886, Hawaii; Jacintha (dgtr), 18 (born 1882 Port). 6) Now tribal memory kicks-in: Back in 1965, while writing down some comments from my Aunt Mary (noted above as Manuel's daughter Marie), she related that she thought her father, Manuel, came to the Islands with two siblings---possibly named Jose and Marie (?). Unfortunately, I have nothing further on Manuel's siblings. 7) In 1900, while still in Hilo, Manuel and Maria Louisa have their first son, Manuel, born 1900, died 1984, in Oakland, Ca. 8) In 1903, still in Hilo, my father, Joseph, is born. Died Jun, 1952, Oakland. 9) Also in 1952, Maria Louisa (Grandma Mello) dies, in December. 10) Because Grandma Mello could speak very little English, we all (the aunts, uncles, my Dad, etc.) spoke Portuguese. 11) The 1930 U.S. Census shows Manuel and Maria Louisa (now called Mary) living in Oakland, along with their children - Manuel, "Joie" (Joe, my father), Freddie (Alfred--uncle Bud), William and Sadie (Serafina). Daughter Mary moved out several years earlier when she married Louis Rose. I am now going to start in with the information, Luis, you provided earlier today. I am most grateful for your assistance and support. Cheers and best wishes, Duane -----Original Message----- From: Luis Beal [mailto:luisbeal@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 1:52 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [PRT-MADEIRA] Re: Curubina One more thing....there is an 1890 hawaii census film that "Contains index (typescript) and extract (handwritten) of the 1890 Census of Hawaii for the districts or islands: Hilo -- Kau -- Hamakua -- Kau contains (Bureau of Conveyance adoption index, 1847-1899; 3rd Circuit Court probate index, pkt. 1-522, approx. 1850-1899); 1910 census extract & index of Kau -- Kohala (south & north) -- Puna -- Kauai -- Maui -- Molokai -- Oahu. L US/CAN Film 1675447 Items 2-11" I have never seen one of these so I do not know what exactly is in it but it may be worth your while if you can find Manuel still living with his parents. Luis Luis Beal <luisbeal@yahoo.com> wrote: Well, hope I did not burst your bubble before. Now that I had a chance to look at Manuel's census and I went back to Joao's I noticed both immigrated in 1883, so hopefully she misunderstood the how many children are living question for how many children are living at home. Since neither could read or write there is a chance her name may be Carolina, said with a strong accent can sound Curubina. The census taker was RK Baptiste a pastor for the portuguese christian church, hopefully he spoke good portuguese. Luis Luis Beal wrote: Found Manuel in 1900, he is down on ancestry as Manuel Melia, wife Maria Luisa. He was born unknown in 1876, 24 years old, married 3 years, born Portugal, same for parents, immigrated in 1883 had been in the us 17 years and was naturalized a citizen, he could not read or write but could speak english and hawaiian. She was down as being born in Oct 1880, 19, married 3 years, had one child and 1 child was living, born Portugal same as parents, came in 1881, been in US 19 years, could not read or write, could not speak english or hawaiian. Daughter Maria, born sep 1899 in Hawaii. Luis Luis Beal wrote: Duane, I do not mean to burst your bubble because Curubina may be a possibility, but the numbers next to her name mean, birth year, age, married, how many children has had, and how many children are living at the time of the census and the number for later two is two. So this may not be your family. Why don't you give me more info on your Manuel, like what name did he go by, his spouse too, nicknames... If he had kids before 1910, names (firt and middle), ages, where they were living at the time of each census. I think if we find him in the 1900/10/20/30 there should be some leading information. Also do you know if he had siblings that came to the US? If he did do you know names and ages? Luis Duane DeMello wrote: Theresa: Thank you very much for your efforts to help me. Re Curubina M., I also have been searching under "Maria," "Magdelena," etc., in the event she went by her middle name. Today I am going to also check on the siblings. Cheers and best wishes, Duane -----Original Message----- From: Theresa Entin [mailto:tentin@fullchannel.net] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 8:42 AM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PRT-MADEIRA] Re: Curubina Good Morning Duane, You've had a great find with Ancestry. Unfortunately, not good with me. I thought when I saw the name of his mother, that I wouldn't find it. Curubina, is not a name that I've found in S. Maria. It is funny, but there are certain last and first names that are not used in that region. I'm not saying that it is impossible for it to be there, but I don't have it. Can it be spelled differently? I will also do a little more checking in my material to see what I can come up with. Also, don't forget that you can search for his siblings and get the same information you need. best regards, Theresa I have CC this to the Azores and Madeira lists, to see if that name is familiar to any of the towns they are searching. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duane DeMello" To: Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 3:30 PM > Theresa: > Sorry to bother you but I may have hit upon something with my > greatgrandparents, J. de Mello and C. de Mello (cited on my grandparents > marriage registration in Hilo: The 1900 Federal Census shows a Joao de > Mello (born 1838 in Portugal) married to Curubina M. de Mello, born 1836 > in > Portugal. No mention is made of the Azores. Two children were living > with > them, Jacintha C., born 1882 in Portugal, and Jose, born 1886 in Hawaii. > My > grandfather, Manuel, born 1875 in Portugal, moved out by 1900 (married in > 1897) and was starting his own family in Hilo. Manuel's death certificate > only lists the name of his father, "John" (Joao). > Can you check your Santa Maria listings? See what going back on > Ancestry.Com did for me! > > Cheers and best wishes, Duane > > > > ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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I'm glad you figured out where he came from. Let me know if there is anything else I can help you with. Luis Duane DeMello <CasaDeMello@comcast.net> wrote: Luis: In response to your questions, I will start off with what I know for sure, based on my personal primary sources. After that, a little tribal memory creeps in based upon comments from my late Aunt Mary. 1) Copy of Marriage Certificate (Testificacao de Casamento), St. Joseph's, Hilo, 5 Dec 1897, Manoel de MELLO marries Maria Louisa da REIS. 2) Copy of "Record of Marriages," Hilo, Manoel lists his parents as father, "J. de Mello," mother, "C. de Mello." 3) Copy of Death Certificate, Manuel DeMello (born 25 Feb 1875, St. Michael, the Azores), 3448 Haven Street, Oakland, Ca., 26 August 1934. Wife - Mary DeMello. Father - John DeMello. Mother - Unknown, but from St. Michael also. Length of time in U.S., 29 years (1905). Burial - St. Mary's Cemetary, Oakland, Ca. 4) Copy of 1900 Federal Census, Hilo, Hawaii, T623 Roll 1834 Pg 43, 12 Jun 1900, Line 22-24: Manuel de Mello (head), born 1876, currently 24; Maria Louisa (wife), born 1880, currently 20; Marie (dgtr - my Aunt Mary), born 1899, 1 year old. Manuel is a laborer and in Hawaii for 17 years, arriving 1883. Wife Maria Louisa, in Hawaii 19 years, arriving 1881. Living in portion of Piihonua, called Waiau, outskirts of Hilo, occupied by Hilo Sugar Co. 5) Also in same 1900 Census, Hilo, (T623 Roll 1834 Pg 63, 09 Jun 1900, Line Line 5-8: Joao MELLO (head), 62 (born 1838, Port); Curubina (wife), 64 (born 1836, Port), Jose (son), 14, born 1886, Hawaii; Jacintha (dgtr), 18 (born 1882 Port). 6) Now tribal memory kicks-in: Back in 1965, while writing down some comments from my Aunt Mary (noted above as Manuel's daughter Marie), she related that she thought her father, Manuel, came to the Islands with two siblings---possibly named Jose and Marie (?). Unfortunately, I have nothing further on Manuel's siblings. 7) In 1900, while still in Hilo, Manuel and Maria Louisa have their first son, Manuel, born 1900, died 1984, in Oakland, Ca. 8) In 1903, still in Hilo, my father, Joseph, is born. Died Jun, 1952, Oakland. 9) Also in 1952, Maria Louisa (Grandma Mello) dies, in December. 10) Because Grandma Mello could speak very little English, we all (the aunts, uncles, my Dad, etc.) spoke Portuguese. 11) The 1930 U.S. Census shows Manuel and Maria Louisa (now called Mary) living in Oakland, along with their children - Manuel, "Joie" (Joe, my father), Freddie (Alfred--uncle Bud), William and Sadie (Serafina). Daughter Mary moved out several years earlier when she married Louis Rose. I am now going to start in with the information, Luis, you provided earlier today. I am most grateful for your assistance and support. Cheers and best wishes, Duane -----Original Message----- From: Luis Beal [mailto:luisbeal@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 1:52 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [PRT-MADEIRA] Re: Curubina One more thing....there is an 1890 hawaii census film that "Contains index (typescript) and extract (handwritten) of the 1890 Census of Hawaii for the districts or islands: Hilo -- Kau -- Hamakua -- Kau contains (Bureau of Conveyance adoption index, 1847-1899; 3rd Circuit Court probate index, pkt. 1-522, approx. 1850-1899); 1910 census extract & index of Kau -- Kohala (south & north) -- Puna -- Kauai -- Maui -- Molokai -- Oahu. L US/CAN Film 1675447 Items 2-11" I have never seen one of these so I do not know what exactly is in it but it may be worth your while if you can find Manuel still living with his parents. Luis Luis Beal wrote: Well, hope I did not burst your bubble before. Now that I had a chance to look at Manuel's census and I went back to Joao's I noticed both immigrated in 1883, so hopefully she misunderstood the how many children are living question for how many children are living at home. Since neither could read or write there is a chance her name may be Carolina, said with a strong accent can sound Curubina. The census taker was RK Baptiste a pastor for the portuguese christian church, hopefully he spoke good portuguese. Luis Luis Beal wrote: Found Manuel in 1900, he is down on ancestry as Manuel Melia, wife Maria Luisa. He was born unknown in 1876, 24 years old, married 3 years, born Portugal, same for parents, immigrated in 1883 had been in the us 17 years and was naturalized a citizen, he could not read or write but could speak english and hawaiian. She was down as being born in Oct 1880, 19, married 3 years, had one child and 1 child was living, born Portugal same as parents, came in 1881, been in US 19 years, could not read or write, could not speak english or hawaiian. Daughter Maria, born sep 1899 in Hawaii. Luis Luis Beal wrote: Duane, I do not mean to burst your bubble because Curubina may be a possibility, but the numbers next to her name mean, birth year, age, married, how many children has had, and how many children are living at the time of the census and the number for later two is two. So this may not be your family. Why don't you give me more info on your Manuel, like what name did he go by, his spouse too, nicknames... If he had kids before 1910, names (firt and middle), ages, where they were living at the time of each census. I think if we find him in the 1900/10/20/30 there should be some leading information. Also do you know if he had siblings that came to the US? If he did do you know names and ages? Luis Duane DeMello wrote: Theresa: Thank you very much for your efforts to help me. Re Curubina M., I also have been searching under "Maria," "Magdelena," etc., in the event she went by her middle name. Today I am going to also check on the siblings. Cheers and best wishes, Duane -----Original Message----- From: Theresa Entin [mailto:tentin@fullchannel.net] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 8:42 AM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PRT-MADEIRA] Re: Curubina Good Morning Duane, You've had a great find with Ancestry. Unfortunately, not good with me. I thought when I saw the name of his mother, that I wouldn't find it. Curubina, is not a name that I've found in S. Maria. It is funny, but there are certain last and first names that are not used in that region. I'm not saying that it is impossible for it to be there, but I don't have it. Can it be spelled differently? I will also do a little more checking in my material to see what I can come up with. Also, don't forget that you can search for his siblings and get the same information you need. best regards, Theresa I have CC this to the Azores and Madeira lists, to see if that name is familiar to any of the towns they are searching. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duane DeMello" To: Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 3:30 PM > Theresa: > Sorry to bother you but I may have hit upon something with my > greatgrandparents, J. de Mello and C. de Mello (cited on my grandparents > marriage registration in Hilo: The 1900 Federal Census shows a Joao de > Mello (born 1838 in Portugal) married to Curubina M. de Mello, born 1836 > in > Portugal. No mention is made of the Azores. Two children were living > with > them, Jacintha C., born 1882 in Portugal, and Jose, born 1886 in Hawaii. > My > grandfather, Manuel, born 1875 in Portugal, moved out by 1900 (married in > 1897) and was starting his own family in Hilo. 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Luis: Your incredible! The ideas and information you are giving me is just wonderful. Thank you very much. I will be following up on all your comments below and will be responding back shortly with answers to the questions you raised re my de MELLO ancestors. Cheers and best wishes, Duane -----Original Message----- From: Luis Beal [mailto:luisbeal@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 1:52 PM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [PRT-MADEIRA] Re: Curubina One more thing....there is an 1890 hawaii census film that "Contains index (typescript) and extract (handwritten) of the 1890 Census of Hawaii for the districts or islands: Hilo -- Kau -- Hamakua -- Kau contains (Bureau of Conveyance adoption index, 1847-1899; 3rd Circuit Court probate index, pkt. 1-522, approx. 1850-1899); 1910 census extract & index of Kau -- Kohala (south & north) -- Puna -- Kauai -- Maui -- Molokai -- Oahu. L US/CAN Film 1675447 Items 2-11" I have never seen one of these so I do not know what exactly is in it but it may be worth your while if you can find Manuel still living with his parents. Luis Luis Beal <luisbeal@yahoo.com> wrote: Well, hope I did not burst your bubble before. Now that I had a chance to look at Manuel's census and I went back to Joao's I noticed both immigrated in 1883, so hopefully she misunderstood the how many children are living question for how many children are living at home. Since neither could read or write there is a chance her name may be Carolina, said with a strong accent can sound Curubina. The census taker was RK Baptiste a pastor for the portuguese christian church, hopefully he spoke good portuguese. Luis Luis Beal wrote: Found Manuel in 1900, he is down on ancestry as Manuel Melia, wife Maria Luisa. He was born unknown in 1876, 24 years old, married 3 years, born Portugal, same for parents, immigrated in 1883 had been in the us 17 years and was naturalized a citizen, he could not read or write but could speak english and hawaiian. She was down as being born in Oct 1880, 19, married 3 years, had one child and 1 child was living, born Portugal same as parents, came in 1881, been in US 19 years, could not read or write, could not speak english or hawaiian. Daughter Maria, born sep 1899 in Hawaii. Luis Luis Beal wrote: Duane, I do not mean to burst your bubble because Curubina may be a possibility, but the numbers next to her name mean, birth year, age, married, how many children has had, and how many children are living at the time of the census and the number for later two is two. So this may not be your family. Why don't you give me more info on your Manuel, like what name did he go by, his spouse too, nicknames... If he had kids before 1910, names (firt and middle), ages, where they were living at the time of each census. I think if we find him in the 1900/10/20/30 there should be some leading information. Also do you know if he had siblings that came to the US? If he did do you know names and ages? Luis Duane DeMello wrote: Theresa: Thank you very much for your efforts to help me. Re Curubina M., I also have been searching under "Maria," "Magdelena," etc., in the event she went by her middle name. Today I am going to also check on the siblings. Cheers and best wishes, Duane -----Original Message----- From: Theresa Entin [mailto:tentin@fullchannel.net] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 8:42 AM To: PRT-MADEIRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PRT-MADEIRA] Re: Curubina Good Morning Duane, You've had a great find with Ancestry. Unfortunately, not good with me. I thought when I saw the name of his mother, that I wouldn't find it. Curubina, is not a name that I've found in S. Maria. It is funny, but there are certain last and first names that are not used in that region. I'm not saying that it is impossible for it to be there, but I don't have it. Can it be spelled differently? I will also do a little more checking in my material to see what I can come up with. Also, don't forget that you can search for his siblings and get the same information you need. best regards, Theresa I have CC this to the Azores and Madeira lists, to see if that name is familiar to any of the towns they are searching. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duane DeMello" To: Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 3:30 PM > Theresa: > Sorry to bother you but I may have hit upon something with my > greatgrandparents, J. de Mello and C. de Mello (cited on my grandparents > marriage registration in Hilo: The 1900 Federal Census shows a Joao de > Mello (born 1838 in Portugal) married to Curubina M. de Mello, born 1836 > in > Portugal. No mention is made of the Azores. Two children were living > with > them, Jacintha C., born 1882 in Portugal, and Jose, born 1886 in Hawaii. > My > grandfather, Manuel, born 1875 in Portugal, moved out by 1900 (married in > 1897) and was starting his own family in Hilo. Manuel's death certificate > only lists the name of his father, "John" (Joao). > Can you check your Santa Maria listings? See what going back on > Ancestry.Com did for me! > > Cheers and best wishes, Duane > > > > ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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